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BILLY CARSON: Welcome to "Disclosure"
with Dr. Steven Greer.
In this episode, we explore manifestations of contact.
Dr. Greer, welcome.
STEVEN GREER: Thank you.
Great to be here with you.
BILLY: In your paper "Extraterrestrials and New
Cosmology," you talk about several types of contact.
Can you explain that for us?
GREER: What it's really about is
understanding how ET civilizations manifest
in our space time.
Remember, extraterrestrial civilizations
have the ability to phase from a very non-3D energy
field all the way into full manifestation.
So you can have, for example, an entire spacecraft, 3D.
That spacecraft, many people who have observed this--
we've had this happen on our expeditions--
can then fold into space time, and all you see is a sphere.
A red, pulsing sphere or orange, or whatever.
And then it can unfold back out.
So this confuses people, because they said, which came first?
Or was the sphere part of it?
I said, well, it's all part and parcel of it
enfolding within space time.
And this is why you have so many unusual manifestations.
Often, we will have a contact event where we'll be sitting.
We're meditating out under the stars,
and there'll be a brilliant burst
of light right in the center of this circle, maybe
four feet above the ground.
It's usually right around or above the puja table
where I do the Sanskrit Vedic meditation.
And it will burst so brightly that even
with your eyes closed, you'll see your eyelid veins.
And everyone is sort of permeated with a consciousness
light.
So the light is actually imbued with consciousness, almost
at a celestial, fine level.
And people are just awakened into a state
of amazing consciousness.
That's happened many times.
Another time up north of Phoenix,
out near the national forest, a craft came in.
We were in meditation.
And literally, I was looking just at the right point,
because I was told mentally, look up behind me.
So I just had to look like this.
At that instant, it looked like the heavens
had been rent asunder.
It looked like there was a parting of space.
And in that parting of space, this beautiful blue ship
appeared and suffused the entire team
for just an instant in this blue white light.
It lit up the entire desert.
And everyone saw this, of course.
It was brilliant.
And so you can have everything from a full 3D
to events like that that happened, and come and go
very quickly.
And then of course, the teleportation right
onto the site of ET beings.
Now interestingly, that goes all the way from physical bodies
and they're walking around--
and we'll be meditating.
You'll hear them walking.
They'll touch you.
You look, there's nothing there.
Well, it's because they don't have to be fully visible,
be sort of cloaked.
And they'll go around and do energy work with people.
But you hear them walking.
This happens almost every expedition that I conduct.
And then you have this other really amazing phenomenon
where the ETs will control the environment.
So we'll be sitting out in a remote area,
and the ET craft will be partially in this dimension,
so much so that you can almost-- it sounds
like an echo when you speak, like you're bouncing off
the walls, but it's clear air.
And in one instance, I remember we were up in Joshua Tree
in the center of the park.
And it was about 38 degrees that night.
It was quite cold.
And this energy field manifested around us
that was extraterrestrial.
Very subtle.
And we had this echoey effect as we spoke.
And you could see subtle energies,
almost like celestial level of energy around us.
And beings moving, but not quite 3D.
And the temperature went up to 69 degrees from 38.
So it went up 31 degrees in a short amount of time.
You could walk 20 yards outside our circle and it was freezing.
So it did a controlled environment.
People were literally pulling their jackets off.
There are so many ways that these happen.
One of my favorite, sort of whimsical things
was up on Blanca Peak in Southern Colorado.
And a member of our team, as we were doing the meditation,
silently asked the ETs if they could just use the Big Dipper--
you know, the four stars that are in the dipper and then
the three in the handle--
and just turn them on and off in kind of a code.
He was a mathematician, a computer guy.
And sure enough, as soon as this thought
left his brain to the ETs, in a crystal clear sky--
we were up at 9,000 or 10,000 feet--
each star, and sometimes two at a time,
would go on and off signaling to us.
And this went on for 23 minutes.
So we have unbelievable amount of footage
of this sort of thing.
It's very subtle.
So what is that?
They were communicating in code.
It was a sequence that we recorded.
When we got back to our condos late at night,
3:00 in the morning, all the clocks and all the units
were flashing some number that was related to that pattern.
Really unusual, higher consciousness,
transdimensional manifestations.
It's really quite beautiful how this all unfolds.
One time at Mount Shasta, we were in meditation.
And this gets into the Vedic concept of name and form
where the thought-sound component
can manifest the object.
It's called name and form.
So the word for water in Sanskrit is [SANSKRIT]..
At a certain level of consciousness and vibration,
you can manifest water.
But the ETs have technologies as well as innate abilities
to do this.
So we're sitting in a circle in this national forest.
All of a sudden, we hear this tone that comes through
from southwest to northeast, headed towards Mount Shasta.
And everyone hears it.
Eyes were closed.
And what everyone saw in their mental image
was a sort of gray metallic sphere
that was consciousness and ET, zip, zip, zip, zip,
zip like a string of pearls moving
through the circle at ground level, or above the ground,
but at our level where we're sitting in the chairs.
Very unusual.
We have a tape recording of that signal that moved through.
So there's almost an infinite number of ways
that civilizations that are interstellar and are
at that level of technology and consciousness
can manifest and interface.
So it can be in thought, it can be in light,
it can be in matter, it can be in natural phenomena.
One of the things that happened about a year and a half ago,
we were at Joshua Tree National Park.
And this sort of thing has happened many times.
It looks like we have an aircraft coming in on a landing
approach with landing lights.
So we're looking at it.
To me, it felt like it wasn't human.
But as it got closer, you heard the jet engines, all that.
But suddenly, in a crystal clear sky, it gets right above us
and dematerializes.
Now no one was filming it, because everybody assumed
this is obviously an airplane going into Palm Springs
or Orange County or LAX.
In reality, they were masquerading as a jet,
but they weren't.
And this has happened multiple times.
We've also had a lot of phenomenon with weather
where we'll be doing our CE5 contact
and we'll have a cloud appear.
And then the cloud--
it's really windy.
It never moves.
Never moves.
And you'll start seeing objects light up around the edge of it,
moving around.
Now, this happened in Arizona for about 45 minutes
that we videotaped.
And it was a cloud that they had created
to keep around the craft while they were meditating
and connecting with us.
And everyone, everyone saw this.
So that's what you're dealing with,
and that's what you have to prepare for mentally,
and really do a reality check at every step of what you're
doing.
Because if you're making contact in a pure-hearted way,
they're going to come.
And they're going to come, however,
in ways you may not be expecting.
So you have to almost suspend your prejudices
and just observe and be interactive as
opposed to wanting to impose your beliefs on what
the ET civilizations might do.
BILLY: Right.
Just be open.
GREER: Be open.
And that's hard for people, because we all have
our own predetermined ideas.
BILLY: Exactly.
Wow.
And Dr. Greer, some people suggest
that apparitions are holograms from other dimensions.
Can you go into that a little bit deeper?
GREER: I know people who work in classified projects that
have the ability to stage things using
very advanced generation, beyond what people can imagine,
holographic technologies.
An ET civilization can similarly do that,
although generally they don't have to stage anything.
They simply can present in--
it's not a hologram.
It looks almost like a hologram or something almost astral
that you can see, but it's actually them
just appearing partially in 3D for security reasons
or so that you're not scared.
The big trick here is also realizing
that 70 years and trillions of dollars
in R&D and classified projects have enabled--
and we haven't touched the surface on this--
of what the intelligence community and contractors
that are in unacknowledged special access projects
can simulate.
So that's one of the problems.
You have to know that whatever you think
can be done go way past that.
Ben Rich, the head of the Lockheed Skunk Works, he said,
look.
Anything that you've seen or can imagine
from "Star Trek" or "Star Wars," we have already done it.
It's sitting out in the desert.
He wasn't talking about Area 51.
He was talking about the cube and the underground facility
for the Lockheed Skunk Works out in the high desert
of California.
And I think that there can be deceptive operations,
because they can stage--
the humans can stage things that look very extraterrestrial.
And then just to add another layer of this
is that many people have confused
interdimensional beings with extraterrestrials
that could be transdimensional.
So again, we have humans.
We have 3D.
We have classified projects that can simulate almost anything.
Now, let's add to that the fact that most people conflate
extraterrestrial vehicles and manifestations, let's say,
with--
they don't know, most people, that there
are classified technologies that are the anti-gravity craft
and stuff.
This is mostly what's in the news.
There aren't ET ones they're showing.
They're showing ours, staging things.
And then there's a whole bunch of other phenomenon.
If you want to hear one of the weirdest things that's true,
a man who worked in the cube at the Lockheed Skunk Works
described to me an area where they had an electronic device
that people could connect to, and that would take them
into not another planet, but into another dimension
and see some horrifying boojum creature, and pull it into 3D,
and it'd be running around the lab.
I know other scientists outside the Skunkworks
have done this through very high-voltage systems where
they cross into these other dimensions.
So this is where a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
We have to have enough knowledge of the cosmology
to have discernment to know what's going on.
And that's kind of been lost in this discussion,
because it's a little bit detailed.
But if you just remember, there's ET,
there's human that can simulate the ET,
and there are another whole category.
And most of what is talked about in the UFO culture
is a gemish of all three without any discernment.
And I think we have to reach that discernment,
or we're going to be hopelessly confused,
but more importantly can be deceived, all right?
And I think a lot of this obfuscation and confusion
has been deliberate, because as the Vedas say,
knowledge is the greatest purifier.
When you have the knowledge, you can purify and clarify.
And I think this obfuscation is not helpful.
BILLY: During some of your CE5 events,
you talk about this being named Bijou that manifests.
Can you tell us a little bit more about Bijou?
GREER: Well, this is one of many episodes.
The reason I talk about it is that this one actually let
us take a photograph of him.
So some years ago, we were up at Joshua Tree National Park.
I think it was 2009.
And we were doing the protocols for CE5 contact,
and we were doing it for a couple of hours.
Took a break.
And I went down from our site on geology
to a road towards the east.
And the reason I did, that's where in '96 an ET craft came
in and land-- went straight into the Earth and lit up all of--
a whole bunch of people saw it.
It was about 300 feet in diameter, teal blue green.
So we knew that that was a transdimensional interstellar
center right out in that plane.
So I went out there with a few of my team members,
and we were talking and what have you.
Suddenly, right on my right shoulder--
and right often for me means future, left is past--
is this sort of grapefruit-sized, golden-white
sphere.
And several people see, and it's hovering right there.
And this is in pitch darkness out in the wilderness.
And I go, they're here.
And so it leaves and goes up towards where our circle is.
So I go back and get everyone organized.
We get to the circle, and we hear four or five ETs talking.
And nothing's visible.
So they're there very spatially in terms of their talking.
But with the eyes, you cannot see their physical bodies.
Very strange.
So I say, look.
Everyone needs to get calm and organized here.
This is full-on contact happening.
And one of my friends, Raven, who's
in the "Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind" movie,
takes a photograph.
I say, right there.
And everyone had heard female voices.
Most of these ETs sounded female.
There was one that I heard that was a male voice.
And she takes a picture, and in that picture is this ET,
and just floating slightly above where our chairs are.
And in the photograph to the left,
you'll see there's a sphere, an orb, that's
putting out this really unusual light that
illuminates all the chairs.
And it's an energy beam that is holding
the ET, floating in the desert.
So that photograph, very interestingly
when you analyze it, it was the sphere that was by my shoulder.
But that was the entire collective
of ETs and their craft folding into space time.
And then the ETs were teleported in conscious energy field
onto the desert, almost at an astral level, but enough
that the camera was able to get this one ET
who came into this dimension just enough, and he's waving.
He's literally going hi right at me.
BILLY: Incredible.
GREER: And he has this sort of whitish thing on the head that
looks like a yarmulke.
So after that happened, we go back
and say, look, we need to get in a circle,
because we're going to continue this contact.
So we have this magnetic detector
that starts going on and off.
When I asked this ET--
and I was told by the ET that his name was Bijou.
And so I said, is this your name?
It goes beep, beep twice, which means yes.
And we're out in the middle of the wilderness.
That thing should not be doing anything.
BILLY: Right.
GREER: Then I got the information from him
that he was from the Andromeda Galaxy.
And again, beep, beep.
So I repeated it.
This goes on for about 45 minutes or an hour
of this dialogue telepathically and with the electronics
confirming.
Very interesting.
And basically, you can have any electronic device
and ask these ETs to take it over and use it.
And so we had this wonderful encounter.
And this went on for quite some time.
And so that ET is a senior ambassador from the Andromeda
Galaxy, which is the closest galaxy to the Milky Way.
It's about two and a half million light years from Earth.
And we've had many experiences with that same contingent
who come, pop in and out at these events.
So it's really quite beautiful.
BILLY: Wow.
So I mean, we're talking about intergalactic.
But what's the terminology that you like to use?
Instead of intergalactic, is there a different term?
GREER: Well, if it's from another galaxy,
it's intergalactic.
But the truth is intergalactic, interstellar,
it doesn't matter.
To go from point A to B, they're dropping out of space time.
It seems as far away as our minds go linearly.
And going through these other dimensions, boom.
You know?
Right here.
And that's done technologically, of course,
with consciousness systems that interface with their spacecraft
and their beings.
BILLY: Right.
Dr. Greer, in addition to the beeps
and the communication with Bijou,
were there of any other type of a profound experience
that you walked away with?
GREER: Yes.
I mean, it was being made very clear to us
that the CE5 contact teams were having contact
with many, many civilizations of which there
are almost an infinite number.
But there were certain ones that were being introduced to humans
for the first time through humans coming together, saying,
we're ready through CE5 contact.
So everyone's thinking everything is stationary.
It's evolving and unfolding.
And so I came away with this understanding
that many of these civilizations are waiting for us
to be in a state of consciousness
and coherence and peaceful intent,
and then they get introduced.
Have they been aware of the Earth before?
Yeah, they have.
But in terms of direct contact, that's
something that kind of humans have to be the leading partner.
It's like a dance.
This is our planet.
And even though these other civilizations maybe
have been around for millions of years,
they're not going to invade, contrary to the movies.
They're waiting for us to welcome them.
But not with guns and bombs, you know?
That's not a welcome.
So if people move in that direction, they come.
But it's not just some stationary set
of civilizations.
It's a growing number that are being added.
Because in the next 1,000 years--
I don't think I've ever said this publicly--
all intelligent civilizations that are interstellar capable
will be united together with Earth.
That's where we're headed.
BILLY: There's another ET that you refer to as the healer.
Can you tell us about the healer?
GREER: Yeah, and this is a wonderful photograph.
This happened a couple years ago up
in Oracle, Arizona, ironically named.
It's up in the mountains above Tucson, about 5,000 feet up,
I think.
And we had a number of sightings of objects far in the sky,
and we had one golden ship fly over
that was from the one star system out near Arcturus.
Whether it's Arcturus directly, it's that sector of space.
And all this started unfolding.
So we had right behind my chair and a couple other people an ET
walking.
David Marconi, who wrote "Enemy of the State" with Will Smith,
he was there and had a camera.
And I said, David, point the camera over this way.
And so he puts the camera over in that direction,
and it was this ruby red teardrop.
And the camera caught this ET.
So the camera light cells were able to catch
the entire 5, 6-foot tall ET.
Very triangular head.
Sort of a bird-like beak.
So I said, well, they're here.
We saw the photograph immediately.
And we began to meditate and connect with that civilization.
So what's beautiful about this is
that this man throughout the night
continued to have contact.
So he stayed up to almost dawn.
And we have video of this red object that
keeps coming in and out of this dimension
that he connects to and is having
this beautiful cosmic consciousness
experience with this being.
And at the very end of the night he goes, and by the way,
could you just--
I have so much hard hearing.
It's so hard for me to hear anything.
Can you fix this?
And just sort of serendipitously,
and goes to bed.
In the morning, he wakes up.
His hearing is completely restored
as if he was a young person with normal hearing.
Threw away his hearing aids.
And to this day, he's completely healed by this ET
that you're seeing the picture of.
Interestingly, he wasn't trying to make contact
for a selfish reason like his own hearing.
He was doing it in a pure-hearted way
to be part of the cosmic family, and then incidentally asked.
So the lesson in this is if you do
CE5 for some self-aggrandizing purpose only, it won't happen.
If it happens, it'll happen because you're
in the right heart and mind space, and then they'll do it.
It's a real lesson.
Yeah, it's beautiful.
BILLY: It seems like they have like a prime directive of sorts
where we have to reach out to them.
They're waiting for us to reach out through consciousness,
and then they can interact.
GREER: Yep.
Together as groups and in consciousness.
And then anything is possible.
I will tell you on these expeditions, 30 years of them,
thousands of events like this have happened.
BILLY: There was another encounter
you had at Boca Grande with another being.
Can you talk us or walk us through that experience?
GREER: Yeah, so we're on the beach.
It's on the Gulf Coast, Boca Grande.
And fairly remote stretch of beach.
And we're setting up, and I'm walking out with some people,
and with someone who had a camera.
Suddenly on the beach, I see this energy,
scintillating energy manifesting in front of us.
Not very high.
Maybe a couple feet.
And so a person with a camera, I say, be very still
and take a photograph here.
And he takes a photograph, and in the photograph instantly
we see this almost crystal and light being.
You zoom in on it.
You'll see the eyes, almost like a chakra energy system.
And it looks like a halo around it.
That is a toroid, a donut-shape energy field
that is holding and manifesting this transdimensional ET
being that's from a civilization about a billion years more
developed than we are, and are one of the civilizations
that I call the guardians of Earth.
But this was actually an ET being
that is from a very advanced civilization where
everyone on that planet is in god consciousness.
And even their spacecraft when we've
seen them are emanating consciousness
at the level of the celestial.
And so these kind of beings are always with us.
Sometimes they don't come on clearly enough where
we can photograph and see them.
But they're extremely advanced, and the level of consciousness
is a beautiful level of enlightened civilizations
that have been around for quite an ancient time.
Which, again, over history--
and I think a lot of scripture, people
have had experiences genuinely with other celestial
or beings from other dimensions that are higher dimensions.
But if you have an experience with something like this
and you don't understand ET technology and transdimensional
physics, you could be forgiven for thinking
that this was an angelic being, or what have you.
But I don't think you photograph angels very often, frankly.
[LAUGHS] But my point is that there's
an overlap where the more we know and share and experience,
and also the higher we go in consciousness
in our experiences, we'll have discernment.
Because the discernment of perceiving a lot of this
is based on the level of consciousness
of the experiencer.
It's the old Vedic saying.
The world is as you are.
BILLY: Right.
GREER: Right?
That world is as you are.
BILLY: As these contact experiences
continue, how do you think it's going to affect consciousness
on this planet?
And also, to what end?
GREER: Really, I think the more people come together
in meditative states and make contact,
it's actually like the whole concept of morphogenic fields
and the 100th monkey effect.
It actually is affecting everyone.
So the beauty of it is that we all
think we're islands, doing this on our own.
It actually is affecting everyone
in a very positive way, but it's also
creating the resonant field for a future of open contact
and universal peace and where humanity will take its place,
and the Earth will take its place
amongst the other civilizations.
And the Earth is a beautiful planet.
It's a destination planet, we call it,
because it's so beautiful and so diverse,
and it's of great interest to civilizations in the cosmos.
And humanity has great potential.
So I think the more that people do this and understand
that in meditative states and higher consciousness,
in development of higher states of consciousness, which we'll
get into in a later episode, happening while you're
doing contact, it creates this field effect that's
affecting your neighbors that don't know you're doing it.
And that's that whole 1% effect, the so-called Maharishi effect.
You put 1% of meditators of the population who are in the town
meditating, 200,000 people.
Well, you only need 2,000 people.
And they find crime rates go down,
coherence goes up, ER visits go down.
So what's fascinating about that is
that when we're doing the CE5 contact, it's sort of--
we're pioneering in a resonant field in consciousness,
potentiating the future.
In my view of it, we're actually manifesting
a future that already exists and bringing it
from the empyrean realm of the ideas and potential into 3D.
So we're actually manifesting that good future.
And there are other people who might
want to manifest a different future that's
not so great with conflict and war and division.
But I think the more people remain
in a positive state of manifestation,
the more we're going to see our civilization transformed
in that direction.
And I think that's the real meaning of this.
And my experience with this over most of my life
is that that's why the ETs want us to do this.
They want us to do it because it's
how we evolved and can fulfill our destiny
to become an interstellar civilization that's
enlightened in a golden age of human existence.
And that's really what this whole next era
of human evolution is about.
BILLY: Yeah.
I'm really looking forward to it.
Well, thank you, Dr. Greer.
GREER: Thank you.
BILLY: I'm Billy Carson, and thank you
for watching this episode of "Disclosure"
with Dr. Steven Greer.
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