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BILLY CARSON: Welcome to Disclosure with Dr. Steven
Greer.
In this episode, we discuss the forces
against contact and disclosure.
Dr. Greer, welcome.
STEVEN GREER: Thank you.
Love being with you.
BILLY: Absolutely.
Dr. Greer in the mid to late 1990s,
you had an experience at Crestone Mount Shasta
and Joshua Tree.
Can you expand on those experiences
and tell us about them?
GREER: Well, we began doing more of the CE5 contact work
and, of course, one track we're trying
to resolve the secrecy issues.
The other we keep the process going,
where I'm training people to become ambassadors
to other planetary systems and the CE5 contact protocol.
So we began having amazing contact.
And if you look at the Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind
documentary is the tip of the iceberg of all the things
that happened.
But we started having more and more direct contact
with various civilizations up on Mount Shasta; in Crestone,
Colorado; in Joshua Tree.
And these were amazing events, where mass witnessed craft
would come over, would be signaling to us,
objects would partially materialize
in the field with us, people would have direct ET contact
experiences, and on and on.
Now, as that's going on, over the course of the same time,
we're working to try to resolve this crisis
inside the government that's really transnational
outside the government in many ways, at least
for most government officials.
And those events began to be more and more noted
by the intelligence community because they're
monitoring those things and they certainly
knew when we would have an ET object that would appear
and they don't have to fly in from space.
They can just "materialize," quote,
unquote, in this area of space where you are, and often even
come up from underground.
And we have systems in space that
can track objects 25 miles into the Earth by the way.
So those were being noted and then often
were attempts to interfere with it.
So like at Mount Shasta, we had an event take place
where there were aircraft overhead,
as soon as we had a contact event where a massive object
that was out in space.
It was so large that it was seen from Vancouver
all the way to LA that we had vectored in
and as it came over, we signal to it
and it turned and signaled to us.
To give an idea how big it was it way up in space
but it was 2/3 the size of the Triangle in Pegasus.
And as I said, so large it was seen up and down the West Coast
and it came when we were doing this contact protocol,
then included a meditation and prayer
for the healing of the Earth.
And so we knew it was the ET saying,
yes, this is exactly what we want
to join you with energetically and in consciousness.
BILLY: Right.
GREER: But then immediately afterwards, we
had helicopters over us.
We had jet fighters over us.
We had all kinds of people had boots on the ground.
People that we had night scopes could
see coming through the woods in camo,
coming off a military vehicle.
So there was all this sort of cat and mouse game going on
around that time.
And there were some really nasty directional energy weapons
that were pointed at me and a small team
that went to White Sands where we were doing a CE5 contact
to sort of clear the Akashic Record, the energy of what
had happened at the atomic bomb site near there
in White Sands Missile range in New Mexico.
So these things began to sort of escalate.
So all of that contact, as we were
training more and more thousands of people
all over the world to make contact,
the intelligence community was engaging in all kinds
of counter measures and especially
with people who were really starting to dig into this.
I think that it was a time from 1991 to 1998,
I had been approached every year by a man
if I wanted protection.
And I said no.
And that was a mistake.
So in '98, we corrected that after some really tragic events
happened to my team and that's been resolved since then.
Since 1998, no one has been threatened.
No one's been harmed.
But there was a time there that was very difficult.
And as we were moving this forward,
there were some rather nasty folks
who have directional energy weapons and other means
to induce disease states.
Now, these are nonlocal.
They're what are called scalar, faster than the speed of light
and that can be used to heal.
They can also be used to harm.
And so pretty much the same month,
Congressman Schiff, who was really
pushing on the Roswell event, and myself, and Shari Adamiak,
who helped me at the very beginning of the CE5 contact
effort in '91, she got involved.
All got aggressive metastatic cancers and died.
I didn't die.
I almost did.
I have a big scar here and there.
And I had metastatic malignant melanoma,
which is the deadliest of all and I
was supposed to die first.
We thought would but it turned out, Shari passed away.
So and then tragically just before that in the mid '90s,
the former director of the CIA, Bill Colby,
had approached a member of my board.
And was going to offer one of these solid-state zero
point free energy device and about $50 million
in seed funding to get it out.
And I didn't like the fact that at the time,
I was told it was a senior intelligence official.
I didn't know, it was Mr Colby, the CIA director
Colby who was retired.
He was getting up in years.
He was fed up with the secrecy.
He was sickened by what was happening to the planet.
But I thought it should have been a very public event
because if it's done in the public, as I said early on,
I was told by a early intelligence guy
get on Larry King, get on these shows,
or you're a dead man walking.
I'm quoting.
So I didn't like the way it was this sort of skullduggery
but that's the way he wanted to do it.
So the week, he was supposed to meet with a member of my board.
That meeting never happened.
They found him floating South of DC in the Potomac River.
And his close friend who set it up,
told me, yes, that was a wet works.
Now his son thought he commited suicide.
Other people said it was a boating accident.
You know, it was a death defying period
and it taught me that if someone offers you help, you take it,
even if it seems unsavory.
So what was put in place at that time,
after this, the person who came to me every year offering,
he called it executive protection.
So we have had no problem since then, since 1998.
We had to also change directions.
We were trying to do this through the White
House and the Congress.
I concluded those people were never going to do this properly
and that was the inception of the public Disclosure Project
that people know about.
But in the event, the night that Shari Adamiak passed away,
she introduced me to this ET named Kindness.
And Kindness-- I call her Kindness--
perfectly round head, not like our shape
and no pinna, no outside ears, very fine featured,
beautiful eyes, and she was introduced to me by Shari
from the spirit world and this was
an ET that could go, of course, transdimensional--
3D.
Or when they're transdimensional,
they're very close to the astral spirit world.
That ET and her craft has appeared at every single CE5
contact event since 1998.
BILLY: Wow.
GREER: Without exception.
BILLY: Incredible.
GREER: Yeah.
Beautiful.
BILLY: So what is the connection
between Kindness and your team?
GREER: She is a senior interstellar diplomat.
In those civilizations, it's your intelligence,
and your spiritual development, and your empathy,
and all those, so when you talk about interstellar diplomats
and people who contact humans from other star systems that
is the criterion.
And she's a very senior one in this sort
of interplanetary coalition.
I never got her proper name because to me,
she was like an avatar, a perfect kindliness, so kind.
And so I just call her Kindness.
We have a great many videos and pictures of the craft.
BILLY: The craft is Kindness or Kindness in the craft?
GREER: In the craft.
BILLY: In the craft.
GREER: Yeah.
But the craft is conscious with the awareness of pilot.
BILLY: Its pilot.
Yeah.
GREER: We'll get into that later.
The integration of these technologies
with consciousness and thought.
BILLY: So Dr Greer, you mentioned
the Disclosure Project earlier and the things that led up
to it almost coming into fruition
and then all of a sudden in 2001,
you put out the Disclosure Project but something
happened during that event.
Can you tell us what it was?
GREER: Yes.
So interestingly, the public doesn't know this.
The entire event was jammed for the first hour trying
to get out of the National Press Club event,
I'm sure by operatives within these use apps.
And as I mentioned, our people had seen them
on the roofs the night before in the wee hours.
And we also had a great deal of interest in the major media,
I mean but I found out that the intelligence
community contacted all the major networks and says
don't play this again, take this down, et cetera,
and so on, which is why I was up on CNN, and headline
news, and various things, and then dropped.
And I got very detailed information
on why that was torpedoed because it wasn't just,
oh, there's a UAP, we don't know where they are,
where they're coming from, or what they are.
It was very detailed information.
You know, people who had been involved with the ET bodies,
on reverse engineering, and all kinds
of very specific information, all of which
were credentialed people who had had top secret clearances,--
BILLY: Yeah.
GREER: --et cetera, and so on.
So in the way, it was a transition phase
from the us deciding in '98, that late '97,
'98, when I was battling for my life,
Shari was, that we need to take this to the people now.
Here's why.
I needed from '91 or '92 until '98
to establish the criminal illegal nature
of these projects.
And this is an important step.
We've created something called an unless otherwise
directed memo and that's a military, my military advisor
said, look, you know, you have to do something formally,
where you notify the heads of all the agencies and government
departments that you're going to go forward
based on an assessment.
And that unless otherwise directed,
my assessment is correct.
That's what a UNOD letter is.
It's a very specific tactic.
And so we created this and we have it on our website
and it went to the heads of all the agencies,
return receipt requested.
We have a record of it.
And in this letter, it says here's our assessment.
I brief the following officials that we've talked about
and members of Congress and senior people
around the president.
And they have been denied access to these projects.
Therefore those projects are illegal.
They're unconstitutional.
And the National Security Oath and non-disclosure agreements
that all personnel have signed are null and void.
We're vitiating them.
We're vacating them.
And unless otherwise directed, by the end of January 1998,
we're going to move forward with top secret documents that are
not declassified, top secret witnesses who did sign
nondisclosure agreements and exonerate them and they cannot
be prosecuted under any of the laws of the United States
because the projects are illegal.
And an illegal project cannot use the law to defend itself.
Now to this date as of the sitting right here,
no one from the government even an unacknowledged special
access project has said, you're wrong because if they said
I was wrong, I'll say prove it.
BILLY: Yeah.
GREER: I can take this into court
with our constitutional attorneys
and prove the opposite.
That, in fact, these are illegal, rogue,
unconstitutional projects.
BILLY: Right.
GREER: So at that point, we want to give them
a little bit of time.
Then we organized the 2001 National Press Club
event and that was a big undertaking--
BILLY: Even though disclosures like a drip
by drip type of disclosure so far
and a lot of the people that have been involved,
including yourself may not be able to see
the fruit of the labor.
It's kind of like we're planting seeds
for trees that are going to grow,
we'll never sit-in the shade of these trees.
So how do you feel about that?
What do you think is going to happen
and how many people do you think are
going to be able to see this come to fruition?
GREER: Well, actually the false disclosure
is happening right now.
The actual disclosure, we did already.
I mean, here, we have hundreds of hours of videotape
on my YouTube channel.
There's 70 top secret witnesses.
The books Unacknowledged and Disclosure.
I have all the transcripts and documents.
Basically, that's been done.
What people confuse is that they think
it's going to be done by the president.
And as I said, most of the presidents, even if they
want to do this are pretty much encouraged,
and that's a mild word, not to.
So,-- and threatened.
But most people know, you know, it was like Carol Rosin saw
in the 1970s, when she was in Fairchild Industries,
the first women executives in aerospace.
A plan she went into an office meeting and there was a plan
from going all the way forward through now of all these
countries we were going to invade and attack and there
were names on there, like she didn't know Yemen and Iraq
and they weren't even on the radar and in the mid '70s--
BILLY: Right.
GREER: --of anybody.
And so this long term strategic plan
was mapped out back in the '50s, '60s, '70s,
and that includes staging and this sort of threat
from outer space that Wernher von Braun, who
invented the rocket for Adolf Hitler
warned about on his deathbed.
That was a deathbed warning from this guy.
And I think that many of the people involved in that project
knows that it's a multigenerational long term
project to try to create a world,
let's call it a unified world but in the wrong way,
in my opinion.
BILLY: Yeah.
GREER: They want to unify the world in war and division,
instead of in peace and universal peace.
I think is 180 degrees opposite of where we should be going.
So, but that's been a very long term
project of people who want to keep endless wars going,
military industrial spending, all this stuff,
and the way they control the public is through fear.
But remember, that's a long term effort because you
can't do that all at once.
BILLY: Yeah.
GREER: It's like the Nazis, it was years and years of blood
libel and the Elders of Zion, and all kinds of caricatures
of Jewish people and what have you, to do what they did.
Well, basically this is a much more expanded global version
of that kind of thinking.
And so there's been this long term acculturation
and disinformation project.
So the '50s, '60s, '70s, '80s, up through now,
that's when they started seeding this subject
with all kinds of frightening caricatures of aliens.
They launched what I call ekso exoracism, where there's
the good ETs, of course, look like someone from Norway
and the bad ones look different from us.
I mean, this is prima facie blatant racism.
But the New Age UFO community just
laps this up, thinking, oh, great
because they don't realize that within us is this tribal nature
to be afraid of other and that's what
we have to go into higher consciousness to transcend
or we'll never make peace on this planet or in space.
The big challenge of our time is going into not just
human oneness but universal consciousness and oneness
because if you just unite the world
and we're all working together as a planet
but we're fighting another planetary civilization,
this is not going forward.
This is absolutely going way back
to a time of utter destruction.
So that's the agenda long term of the intelligence community--
keep the technology secret, except the things
we can monetize like digital, OK, chips and fiber
optics and stuff.
And let's get the people on board
with this agenda of a threat from outer space.
It's the biggest hoax ever committed
in the known history of humanity.
BILLY: So Dr Greer, in the same way
that there's a lot of disinformation in the media
and spinning this in a negative way
are there not any powerful people in the world
trying to go with the positive and true and correct
information?
GREER: No.
Because the ones who would have that view
are not cleared to access.
This gets-- and this is the sine qua non of access.
When I was briefing Lord Hill-Norton, who
was a five star Admiral Sea Lord,
had been Head of Ministry, Defense
Head in the United Kingdom, and on the Head of the Military
Committee for NATO, and he got very interested in this.
He made speeches on the floor of the House of Lords
and what have you in the United Kingdom
about this issue and UFOs.
But he never had access.
So I went to his home in Hampshire
and he wanted me to bring the presidential briefing packet.
So I did and he says, I want to know,
why I was never told this, the whole time I was head
of the Ministry of Defense of one of the Five Eyes,
on the big intelligence gathering countries, United
Kingdom and also at NATO and I said,
well let me answer your question with a question.
What would you have done Admiral?
If you had found out there was a group
of people running illegally that had
the solutions to the world's environmental problems
and poverty problems, who have been creating endless conflict
and war and are planning to create
an interplanetary scenario of conflict
and that they have engaged in murder, mayhem, theft;
all manner of criminal activities
up to and including drug running and stuff.
He says, I wouldn't have stood for it for a bloody minute
and he was in a lather over it.
BILLY: Right.
GREER: I said that's why they didn't tell you.
I said they do a soul biopsy.
I'm a doctor.
I've got-- a soul biopsy.
They do an assessment of your psychology.
And if you're not willing to go along with that agenda,
you're going to at the most get a few crumbs of information.
You're not going to get full access
and you're certainly not going to get
any control over the project.
So that's the catch-22 of this.
The folks who are good folks in government and operations
rarely have any real knowledge or access
or they have a little snippet here and there.
BILLY: But not enough to do anything.
GREER: But not enough to do anything and they
in particular, even if they're read
into it, a president that's read into it in some detail.
BILLY: Yeah.
GREER: If they were to try to intervene and change
the direction of those projects, they would basically
be told get lost.
We're not taking an order from you and this
you know, I mean go back to the testimony of our disclosure
witnesses and also Daniel Sheehan,
who after Carter was elected.
President Carter, he ran on a platform
to disclose this information in '76.
You know, now that's what, you know, like 45 years ago.
And the outgoing CIA Director was George H. W. Bush.
And when President Carter asked about this issue,
President Bush said, we're not going to tell you anything.
You don't have a need to know.
And so Carter had to turn to the Congressional Research
Service and other people to try to put some information for him
and some of those people approached Daniel Sheehan,
the attorney to look into it.
And he got some information but Carter
was never allowed to control this issue.
But to my knowledge, no other president had.
Now, President Reagan was given a little more information.
But Colonel Holman, who was on the interagency committee
trying to sell Star Wars SDI--
Strategic Defense Initiative-- to President Reagan
told me personally before he died that they would go in.
They tried to sell this to Carter
and he went by, because Carter's a very smart guy.
Reagan kind of got manipulated and they went into the Reagan
White House and said, look, we have this threat
from outer space.
Let's use the Cold War as the reason
we need these weapons in space but it's really
so we can fight the aliens.
And Reagan took it hook, line, and sinker,
which is why you see these speeches like at the UN, that's
in our documentary.
Perhaps we need some outside universal threat to make us
recognize this common bond.
I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide
would vanish, if we were facing an alien threat
from outside this world.
GREER: Well, why do humans always
have to be at war to unite?
We can unite in peace and love.
BILLY: Right.
GREER: And you know, someone recently told me,
who's associated with the intelligence community.
He said yes, we all know that there's
no threat from the aliens.
This guy said this flat out.
You can't get any money for butterflies and dandelions.
I said, what do you mean butterflies and dandelions?
And he was referring to the fact--
peaceful contact, world peace, all these beautiful things.
You can't get defense money.
You can't get contractor money and that's what this is about.
You have to scare the hell out of people.
You have to scare people.
And then the government will authorize more money.
Well, that's what they did to Ronald Reagan.
BILLY: Yeah.
GREER: So we're trying to correct that dynamic.
Obviously, we're the underdog.
But it's a fight worth fighting.
BILLY: It seems like the only president that
may have had any insight would have been Bush Senior, I mean,
that he was in CIA.
GREER: Yes.
George HW Bush.
He was on the committee, actually
Dick Cheney was on this committee.
Senator John Warner in the Senate
was a minor, had a little sliver of it,
his son has recently told us in a three hour interview.
And you know, Senator Cranston was very heavily involved,
the old Senator Cranston.
I know who a lot of the people are.
So and again it has nothing to do with their position
but they've been brought up often through the system
and then placed here, there, and everywhere.
And then they will lie to their colleagues.
One of the ways this works, just to give you
a little more detail is that if you have a Senator that
is involved, one of his jobs is to turn to his brethren
in the Senate, it's a club of 100 people
and say, oh, this isn't true.
If it were true, I'd know about it.
And oh, OK, because they trust each other.
It's like doctor to doctor, lawyer to lawyer,
there's a certain peerage.
And so that's also how these organizations work.
People have these sweeping conspiracy theories.
I'll give you another great example,
right after the Disclosure Project.
I was in San Francisco, doing an event,
and there was the Bohemian Grove up in Northern California was
having a meeting, that was called
and a man who came to the meeting I held
had been at the Bohemian Grove meeting.
And he was a very well-off European financier and what
have you--
and he said, you know, this issue
came up at the Bohemian Grove.
And someone got up in front of the whole crowd of all
these elites and said, I've been with the government
for decades.
None of this is true.
And if it were true, I would know about it.
You can trust me.
I'm one of your fellow Bohemian Grove people
and just trust me that this is all just made up nonsense
that Dr Greer is saying.
And it worked for most of them.
But this guy came to my meeting and said, you know,
it doesn't square with what I see that you put out
there's too much, too many corroborating
top secret witnesses and documents.
I said yes, I mean those people are placed in your organization
to deceive the rest of you.
And so that's true of all these organizations.
People talk about the Bilderbergers and--
Even in those groups, 90% of the people involved
would have no clearance into this
and the few that do or embedded to lie to their brethen.
BILLY: They've been infiltrated.
GREER: Yes.
BILLY: Their own secret society has been infiltrated.
GREER: Yes.
Very, very effective.
BILLY: Yes.
Well that's amazing.
GREER: Yup.
BILLY: Wow, that's very enlightening.
So Dr Greer you had expressed earlier in the interview
that at one point it seemed like your team was being attacked.
and then afterwards, you had taken
a little bit of outside help.
GREER: Mm-hmm.
BILLY: And so now, after all this has happened,
do you think that you're being assisted by some outside forces
or was there any other assistance that you're still
getting at this time?
GREER: Well, certainly there are multiple layers of support.
There are people who are in these classified projects, who
very much are appalled, like Bill Colby was
at what's going on.
He was supportive.
There are people who aren't in those unacknowledged projects
who are in senior positions in government and other places
who are also very supportive.
The extraterrestrial civilizations
are very supportive.
I'm certain of that.
And we have the support of the public.
And then there's the level that, you know,
I'm not a religious person.
But I'm very spiritually oriented
and I know that there are celestial
and beings from other higher dimensions that are very, very
protective and supportive.
With all that, I've never done this thinking
that I could get out of it alive.
I've always assumed that there's a very good chance, I won't.
And the main way that they've been
able to contain what we're doing is
through defamation of character, marginalization,
endless public attacks, and also blacklisting.
So you know, I've been blacklisted
from a lot of the major media because I
won't stick to the script of we don't
know what these things are and those are people who do that.
I don't want any names.
But if you see them on the news, those
are people that they will allow to speak because they're
basically telling half truths that are worse than a lie.
So I think that's the most effective way.
They realized they couldn't do it tactically or they just flat
out kill us.
But if they can do it this other way,
it's quite effective in many ways.
So it's frustrating.
I mean, it's this iterative long term.
It's an ultra marathon that we're doing.
BILLY: Yeah.
GREER: So--
BILLY: Dr Greer, thank you for this interview.
GREER: Thank you.
BILLY: I am Billy Carson.
Thank you for watching Disclosure with Dr Steven
Greer.
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