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BILLY CARSON: Welcome to "Disclosure"
with Dr. Steven Greer.
In this episode, we discuss the origins
of The Disclosure Project.
Welcome, Dr. Greer.
STEVEN GREER: Thank you.
Great being with you.
BILLY: Dr. Greer, what events kicked off
the Disclosure in 1993?
GREER: Yeah, a lot of people don't
know that the roots of the disclosure movement
go way back.
As I mentioned, 1992, after the events
in the CE5 that happened, that led
to a series rapidly evolving events,
including the people who reached out
to me who were close to President Clinton
and who informed me quite unbelievably at the time--
I didn't believe it--
that the president and the director of the CIA
had been denied access to these unacknowledged special access
projects.
So around that time, I had a number
of what I call the white hat friendly people in military
and intelligence circles, some of whom
had been in unacknowledged special access projects, which
were the very top secret, compartmented operations,
who wanted to help.
And so we began to talk and discuss what to do.
This initiative that came from people in the White House
was to set up a briefing between me
and the DCI, the Director of Central Intelligence, CIA
Director Woolsey.
In the letter it says, and rather astonishingly,
the most powerful interests in the world
are going to try to stop this and that we have
to be very careful, and that these leaders in our country
are not read into, which is military speak
for briefed on this issue.
Now leading up to this, [LAUGHS] some people
who were with Laurance Rockefeller reached out to me.
And I did a series of trips up to New York
to meet with those folks, and eventually was
invited out to the Rockefeller Ranch in 1993
with a number of people in this field.
And his interest was mainly in the CE5 contact events.
And he was supportive of doing this.
Unfortunately, he was surrounded by a lot
of operatives that diverted his interest eventually.
And people talk about the Rockefeller initiative.
There was no around Rockefeller initiative.
It was called Project Starlight that I
founded with a group of military people and administration
people to get this information to the right folks
in the government who were not being told the truth.
And Laurance Rockefeller was very supportive of that,
so he hosted us there in September of 1993.
In the meanwhile-- he didn't know this either,
Laurance Rockefeller was astonished.
And he said, well, where are you going after here?
I said, I'm going to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base
to brief the head of the Foreign Aerospace Science
and Technology Center, which is where all the original Roswell
debris and all that stuff was sent.
And I was meeting with the colonel,
trying to get them to de-conflict
their operations with our CE5 contact operations.
That's what that meeting was about.
Interestingly, the colonel said, well,
what if some of these civilizations
aren't friendly or hostile?
I said, sir, with all due respect,
given the galactically stupid things we've been doing,
if they were hostile, they would have been point, set,
match the day we detonated that first atomic bomb.
And the intelligence officer was scribbling furiously,
Bruce Ashcroft.
It was very kind of comical.
But you know, it showed the kind of thinking
in those military circles.
We don't control these things.
Therefore, they're a threat.
Therefore, we're going to kill them.
I mean, it was boom, boom, boom.
It's that simple.
So just beforehand, I was at a meeting out here in Phoenix.
And there was a group of folks who
were members of this committee, dealing
with these classified systems, dealing with UFOs,
extraterrestrial intelligence.
And it was late at night.
10:00, 11 o'clock at night.
They said, look, we know all about your meeting
with CIA Director Woolsey that's coming up.
You don't need to meet with the president or the CIA director.
They don't know anything, and they're not
going to know anything.
If you want to talk to people dealing with this issue,
you meet with people like us.
And it's this conference room full of suits.
We're the ones who do all the WFO--
Work For Others-- contracting for the government.
We're the ones who are running the supercomputers backing up
the global financial system.
We're the ones-- and he goes on and on.
And also, we're the ones cooperating
with certain orders of Jesuit priests
in the technology transfer programs and with the Vatican.
I'm going, this is like something out of--
through the rabbit hole.
And at first, I thought he had to be making this up.
And it's turned out, every word he said was true.
So I got back to Peterson.
Said, look, there's a group that knows about this meeting,
and he went ballistic.
How can they know?
I said, John, they have ways of monitoring things
that don't require speed of light signals and phones.
All right?
That can interface space time electronically,
remotely, scalar.
Faster than the speed of light.
So I said, just don't worry about it.
So we have the meeting.
The first few minutes, I have a briefcase
full of all these evidence and pictures
and government documents and stuff.
He says, I know this is true.
I know these things are real.
What I don't understand is why the president and I
are being denied access.
So the whole conversation was about the nature
of these unacknowledged special access projects,
that they are highly compartmented,
that they are not--
people who are in the Senate or the White House, a few of them
are read into them, but they're cooperating with the secrecy.
Most of them have no idea.
It turned out that the rank you have, like in the military,
in the Pentagon, or the CIA has nothing
to do with whether you're told about it.
It's whether or not you're willing to go along
with the agenda of the secrecy.
That's it.
But what was interesting about this to me--
so we went through the material.
I explained the structure of these unacknowledged special
access projects and how they were being run.
And he said, yeah, I'm just sort of a guy who
goes up on Capitol Hill and brings tens of billions
of dollars back to the CIA.
But he admitted that there were many projects
he was not read into, even though he was the director.
So at the end of it, I had put together
a set of executive order recommendations
for the president.
When I handed it to him--
and I said, we really need your help
disclosing this and getting this problem fixed.
And he looked at me.
And says, Dr. Greer, how do we disclose that
which we have no access to?
And my wife and I are at this meeting going, holy crap.
This is really a bad situation.
That was my introduction to through the looking
glass of mirrors and craziness of the national security state.
Ultimately, the thing that was the most hopeful thing
at this meeting was his wife, Sue Woolsey.
And she had the insight to ask--
she said, Dr. Greer, what I don't understand
is how are they communicating across the vastness
of interstellar distances?
Because at the speed of light, it
would take millions of years or thousands of years
to get a signal from point A to B.
And I said, yeah, that's right.
And look at our Milky Way galaxy.
100,000 light years across.
And a light year isn't a measure of time.
It's a measure of distance.
It's how far a beam of light goes at 186,000
miles per second for a year.
Now think about that.
186,000 miles every second for a year.
That's one light year.
The Milky Way's 100,000 of those.
So 1% across the Milky Way galaxy,
1,000 light years, at the speed of light
to say, hello, how are you doing,
would take 1,000 years to get the signal there
and another 1,000 years to get the signal back.
That's the time since the birth of Christ, OK?
So I said, look.
So the speed of light is completely
insufficient for any and all interstellar civilizations.
Therefore, they are using trans-dimensional physics
that involves faster than the speed
of light interface with thought consciousness and devices.
And it goes two ways.
Technology-assisted consciousness
where your conscious thought is assisted
by a technology and consciousness-assisted
technologies where your mind assists the device.
It flows both directions.
And that's what they're using.
BILLY: Right.
Is this likened to quantum entanglement and quantum
physics where two particles communicate instantaneously,
bypassing space and time?
GREER: Yes.
It's what Einstein called the spooky effect.
And when you're dealing with that level of entanglement,
take that times infinity when you're dealing
with consciousness and thought.
So the whole cosmos is this interrelated, interwoven,
non-local-- and non-local means it's not
a straight line in space time, but it's within each other,
and proximity is right there.
So we think, oh, the Andromeda galaxy as two and a half
million light years away.
At the speed of light, it takes you two and a half million
years to get there.
But within this entangled, interrelated cosmos
on a quantum level, it's actually right here.
It's right here.
Now, what is here?
I mean, it gets into this discussion of dimensions
and thought and consciousness.
But that's what all interstellar civilizations
have to have mastered.
And so I explained that.
And that was actually, to me-- what
that said to me, because to be honest with you,
when she first asked the question,
I thought, I'd better not answer this,
because I will discredit myself.
And this is the fulfillment of what
I was told in 1991 by an intelligence officer who
had been involved in this area for decades.
And he said, if you tell the truth, it hides itself.
It will discredit you, because the truth is so much more
bizarre than the fiction that's out there on UFOs.
But I think it's time for people to know
the truth and the whole truth.
BILLY: Mm-hmm.
Absolutely.
CIA Director James Woolsey denied the purpose of a dinner
party that you had attended.
Can you tell us about that?
GREER: Yes, actually.
It wasn't just a dinner party.
That was the cover for a briefing for the CIA director.
And I can prove it from the letters
I received from the man who set it up
and who hosted it, John Peterson of the Arlington Institute.
And the reason this happens, as I often sort of joke,
is that in Washington, how do you know they're lying?
Their lips are moving.
BILLY: [LAUGHS]
GREER: So if their lips are moving--
so after he left office, I never talked about this meeting.
In fact, less than a year after the meeting, which took place
on December 13, 1993, in the Washington area,
I was on "Larry King" for a special he
did that was out near Area 51.
And I didn't speak of it.
I didn't speak of it till he was out of office,
because I didn't want--
I felt that while he was in office,
I should give him enough freedom to proceed internally
to see if he could get control of the situation.
Of course, he didn't, and there's
this follow-on story to this.
But when he later denied that that was the purpose
of the meeting, I simply--
and he had everyone at the meeting except me
and my wife sign this letter.
He, the CIA director, his wife, the host, John Peterson,
and his wife, saying that that wasn't what happened.
Which, of course, was calling me a liar.
And so I said, well, unfortunately, I
keep everything in my archive, and here's
the letter setting up the meeting that explicitly
says what it's about.
So here's the problem.
There's so many people who keep covering up and lying and lying
and lying, and it's very worrisome.
So I just push back on it.
Say, no.
This is what happened.
It's very matter of fact.
I don't make up stories.
And luckily, I can prove it.
[LAUGHS] So that was that.
Now interestingly, after that meeting--
so that's December '93--
I ended up a couple of months later
having a very close friend of the president--
Clinton-- come to my home in North Carolina.
And he blurts out--
he says, well, the president's very--
and his people are very supportive of what you've
recommended, that secrecy on this be ended,
we bring out these technologies, that people
know we're not alone in the universe,
within a framework of it being a positive announcement,
not something scary.
However, his people are convinced
that if President Clinton does that,
he will end up like Jack Kennedy.
And I start laughing, because I think,
oh, this is a bad John le Carre novel.
It's like a bad conspiracy novel.
And he says, stop.
We're not joking.
And he tells me--
this was the follow-up-- he says,
the president won't do anything about this
because it is too dangerous.
Too risky.
But you should I said, what?
I have no official standing.
I'm doing this as a non-profit, non-governmental organization.
And he said, yes, but they think you can do it.
I said, what you really are saying is I'm expendable.
And he looked me right in the eyes.
This is so Washington.
Yes, you're expendable.
I went, OK, great.
So I'm the throwaway.
I always tell people, I'm the throwaway guy.
BILLY: Right.
GREER: Yeah.
BILLY: Interesting.
GREER: So that's what happened.
And subsequently, Laurance Rockefeller
did host the Clintons out at his ranch in the summer of '94, '95
that period.
Allegedly a vacation, but it was for them to get brought up
to speed on this.
I put together a very large collection
of cases and briefing materials that was then
rewritten by Antonio Huneeus and some people,
and that was provided subsequently by biding his time
and getting out of the White House.
He was kind of pulled in to a certain level
by George H.W. Bush, who was a long-standing member
of the committee.
200, 300 people who were operating
these clandestine organizations.
BILLY: Hmm
GREER: Yeah.
BILLY: That's interesting, because when you bring up
Laurance Rockefeller, I remember when Hillary Clinton was
running for president.
There's a famous picture of her leaving the Rockefeller Ranch.
And in her hand, if you zoom in, she's got a book about aliens.
GREER: Yes.
And that was all a follow-on to the--
well, actually, in '94--
I need to tell this story.
A very interesting thing that happened.
I had a meeting with some people who
were wanting to help with this.
Some had been State Department, military, unacknowledged
projects.
And we had a meeting at the Monroe Institute,
which is very near where my home in Virginia is now.
And of course, that's where Robert Monroe, Bob Monroe
would train army intelligence people
and others in their version of remote viewing, what have you.
And we had this meeting, and that's when we said, look,
we're going to continue this going forward.
But at any rate, in '94, this continued to unfold.
And eventually, we had this amazing meeting
with the first Disclosure Project witnesses.
And I remember we're now, in 2021,
the 20-year anniversary of what everyone knows
as The Disclosure Project.
But there was all this preparatory work that
led up to it back in the '90s.
So it took from '92 or '93 until 2001
to get everything in order for that.
And this is the back story.
Most people don't know this back story, which
I think is important, because there are a lot of lessons
I learned and the public can learn about how things operate.
And so you know, we had the first gathering
of military witnesses, cosmonauts,
astronauts at Asilomar, a facility near Monterey
in California in the summer of 1995.
And that was supported financially,
funded by Rockefeller, but I was running it.
Now, people in the UFO culture-- oh, the Rockefeller initiative.
He wasn't organizing or running any of these things.
We were.
And it was an attempt to pull people together
who would come forward with credentials--
and astronaut Edgar Mitchell was there, amongst others.
And it was the first gathering like this.
I had entrusted someone involved in the UFO community to video
and audiotape all of it.
And unfortunately, he stole all of those,
and I think he was an operative.
So we don't have a record of that, unfortunately.
It was all confiscated and stolen.
BILLY: Yeah.
I was going to actually ask you, when
you're doing these kind of clandestine meetings
in the beginning stages, there's so much
opening opportunity for people to come and kind of
be plants and gather intel and find out what
the heck you're doing.
GREER: Well, the people who want to know what I'm doing
know what I'm doing in real time, you know?
I tell this hilarious story early
on of sitting in my house, and there
was one of these guys whose family were
some of the original founders of the National Security Agency
came in and he said, look.
If you want us to know what you're doing
or even the president, just sit in your office and talk.
Or pick up the phone and talk.
It doesn't matter if there's a dial tone.
It was really quite funny.
And he was literally telling the truth.
But there was a lot to learn from them.
And I learned-- I mean, it was very hard.
I have never been in the government.
Never gotten an Indian head nickel from the government.
Turned down a lot.
And I certainly didn't understand the structure
of these unacknowledged special access projects
until '93 or '94, that period.
Nor had I been read into, briefed
on who they were, where they were, who was running them,
why they were running them.
By '93, '94, '95, I knew all that at that point.
And so you know, began providing that information
to members of Congress and world leaders
other places to get them informed
on what they should have never been lied to about, frankly.
And that meeting in 1995 was important,
because it was like the beginning nucleus of what later
become the congressional briefing that we did privately
in 1997, and then the big Disclosure Project
event in 2001.
But what I ran into--
just like with Clinton--
nobody wanted to take this on.
They were either afraid or they were afraid of being ridiculed,
or they were just afraid of having a wetworks team--
wetworks are assassination teams at the CIA--
take them out.
So that was actually the genesis of this,
and it was called Project Starlight.
BILLY: Now, you've interviewed a lot of high-profile people.
You've had meetings with a lot of high-profile people.
They've disclosed a lot of information to you.
How much of that do you think is real,
and how much do you think may have been false information?
GREER: Well, just to be clear, the people I've met with who
are senior people in government here and in other countries,
ministers of defense or what have you, those were people--
[LAUGHS]
I would say if I'm called in for a meeting,
I'm the last stop on the F train,
because they've been sidelined.
Now, that's separate from the now 980-plus
military intelligence corporate witnesses
and whistleblowers who give me information.
So those people-- luckily, we have a big enough database
that, for example, we had one person who
was going to do one of the presentations,
because he had been in an aerospace company,
at the 1997 briefings for Congress.
And I discovered through Edgar Mitchell
that this man was embellishing.
And my military advisor and Edgar Mitchell
were at a bar later at night.
And I busy, running all this.
And this man started telling what I think
were initially true things, but then he
went off telling stories that they both knew
were fact-checkably false.
So they contacted me, and I had him escorted out
of the premises.
So if someone comes with some grand story that
doesn't hold together, you know, I'm not going to include that.
Or if, in fact, they're not able to provide their credentials.
Some of the ones who've surfaced have amazing accounts,
but there's no corroboration.
So if it's an incredible story but there are no corroborating
whistleblowers, evidence, documents, badges,
checkable things, I don't include it.
So if someone comes forward who's
a professional disinformation agent,
but I get him to talk about the military staging abductions,
if it was only him that had said that to me,
I would have discounted it.
But I have at least a dozen people
who he doesn't know who have told me very similar--
the modus operandi, how it's done,
who's done, why they do it.
So that's how we build our information nexus that way.
BILLY: You kind of built your own database.
And you can always fall back on and check stories
against other people's information
as well as verifying credentials.
That's fantastic.
GREER: Basically, our group is its own private, whistleblower,
intelligence gathering organization
that went from a dozen people who
had been in these programs that had
top secret involvement to now hundreds that are legitimate.
BILLY: Incredible.
GREER: Yeah.
BILLY: Dr. Greer, what other outstanding information
have you come across?
GREER: Yeah, you know, it's so much, the archive
and the meetings.
You figure almost 1,000 people who
are whistleblowers who have given me
information, documents.
Early on, I had a very interesting person approach
me--
and I still have the original envelope
this was sent to me in--
who sent me a top secret document, not declassified,
that he got out of the vault at the National Security Agency
that is a wiretap summary signed by James Jesus Angleton
III who was the big mole hunter at the CIA
back in the early '60s.
And then this is dated 1962, August.
And it's a wiretap of Marilyn Monroe threatening
Bobby Kennedy, the attorney general,
and telling her friend Rothberg, an art
dealer in New York, that she was going to hold a press
conference to tell the world what President Kennedy had told
her about the objects from outer space recovered in New
Mexico in the 1940s, et cetera.
And it has Project Moondust on it.
Now, this has not been declassified.
And I got it and I published it.
And you take that-- and I have hundreds
and hundreds and hundreds of documents like that.
But this man had been involved very early on, his family,
in the running, founding of the National Security Agency.
Used to be called No Such Agency Exists, because it
was initially not acknowledged.
And it was interesting, because when I showed--
there was an old actor and singer named Burl Ives.
A lot of people may remember him.
And he and his wife, Dorothy, were very supportive,
interested in what we were doing.
So he was getting elderly, so I went to his home
and sat on the edge of his bed and showed him this document,
because he had told me he was friends with Marilyn Monroe
when she died or was killed.
And they knew she had been murdered,
and it wasn't an accidental overdose of drugs,
but they never knew why.
So I gave Burl Ives this document.
And he went, oh my god.
This is why I said yes, because they had wiretapped her
and they were following what she was doing.
This was early '60s.
I think President Kennedy knew that that was a hit,
and he was very unhappy about it.
He didn't order it. it would have
been beyond the presidential level of activity.
And I think that at that point, it became clear to me
when I got that document that there are a lot of people who
have vanished who were on the process of blowing
the whistle on some things who, if they had done so,
were so prominent that the whole world would have watched.
And unfortunately, that cost Marilyn Monroe her life.
BILLY: Wow.
Incredible.
Isn't it something that every time we
have someone that is just about to give the information,
right on the precipice, just about to put it out there,
something always happens to them?
GREER: Well, the only people who were cleared like
in the mainstream media to talk about this--
in big media you see all the time right now--
are people that the intelligence community wants them on those
shows because they almost always spin
this in the direction of a national security threat,
or something that the military industrial complex can
make a lot of money on.
So how do you grow that whole industry?
Instead of fighting one little country
in the Middle East against us, move it up to space.
I'm giving a hint of the future episodes.
That's what that's all about.
So the whole thing happening now in the media on Disclosure
is what I called the disclosure that serves secrecy.
I wrote a paper in 1999 by that title.
BILLY: So Dr. Greer, what is the end
result of this initiative?
And why do you think you had so much access
to high-level individuals in the intelligence communities?
GREER: Well, that is a great question.
You know, I think a lot of it was just
networking, people who were sympathetic to the calls
of universal peace.
I mean, the motto of our organization
is one universe, one people.
And we should view ourselves as all one expression
of the great being, and that the conscious spirit within us
and extraterrestrial people is the same.
It's a singularity.
And there are a lot of people who
are very concerned, who've been in these classified projects,
that this whole endeavor has been taken
in a very destructive direction, which
would lead to an extinction-level event
for the Earth and humanity.
And I think that that's why they have been very supportive.
But there are other people who really want to hold on
to that threat narrative.
But the friendly people will open a lot of doors
if you're doing things credibly and with a higher purpose.
So you know, obviously, I have a lot of enemies
and I have a lot of friends [LAUGHS] in various places.
And I think that's what happens.
And then people who want senior officials to know, they set up
those meetings for me.
I never do a cold call.
So I don't contact a member of the Senate Intelligence
Committee and say, would you like a briefing?
Their people or someone who knows them reaches out to me.
That's how the CIA director meeting happened.
That's how the meetings have happened
with Ministers of Defense of Canada
and Great Britain and Australia.
It's just how it happens.
BILLY: Yeah.
Dr. Greer, thank you very much for this interview.
It was great.
GREER: My pleasure.
BILLY: I'm Billy Carson.
Thank you for watching "Disclosure" with Dr. Steven
Greer.
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