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James
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James
Delingpole

James Delingpole is a writer, journalist and broadcaster who is right about
everything. He is the author of numerous fantastically entertaining books
including Welcome To Obamaland: I've Seen Your Future And It Doesn't Work, How
To Be Right, and the Coward series of WWII adventure novels. His website is
www.jamesdelingpole.com

Climategate goes SERIAL: now the Russians confirm that UK climate scientists
manipulated data to exaggerate global warming

By James
Delingpole Politics Last updated:
December 16th, 2009

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Climategate just got much, much bigger. And all thanks to the Russians who,
with perfect timing, dropped this bombshell just as the world’s leaders are
gathering in Copenhagen to discuss ways of carbon-taxing us all back to the dark
ages.

Feast your eyes on this news release from Rionovosta, via the Ria Novosti agency, posted on Icecap. (Hat Tip: Richard
North)

A discussion of the November 2009 Climatic Research Unit e-mail hacking
incident, referred to by some sources as “Climategate,” continues against the
backdrop of the abortive UN Climate Conference in Copenhagen (COP15)
discussing alternative agreements to replace the 1997 Kyoto Protocol that
aimed to combat global warming.

The incident involved an e-mail server used by the Climatic Research Unit
(CRU) at the University of East Anglia (UEA) in Norwich, East England. Unknown
persons stole and anonymously disseminated thousands of e-mails and other
documents dealing with the global-warming issue made over the course of 13
years.

Controversy arose after various allegations were made including that
climate scientists colluded to withhold scientific evidence and manipulated
data to make the case for global warming appear stronger than it is.

Climategate has already affected Russia. On Tuesday, the Moscow-based
Institute of Economic Analysis (IEA) issued a report claiming that the Hadley
Center for Climate Change based at the headquarters of the British
Meteorological Office in Exeter (Devon, England) had probably
tampered with Russian-climate data.

The IEA believes that Russian meteorological-station data did
not substantiate the anthropogenic global-warming theory.
Analysts say Russian meteorological stations cover most of the country’s
territory, and that the Hadley Center had used data submitted by only 25% of
such stations in its reports. Over 40% of Russian territory was not included
in global-temperature calculations for some other reasons, rather than the
lack of meteorological stations and observations.

The data of stations located in areas not listed in the Hadley Climate
Research Unit Temperature UK (HadCRUT) survey often does not show any
substantial warming in the late 20th century and the early 21st century.

The HadCRUT database includes specific stations providing incomplete data
and highlighting the global-warming process, rather than stations facilitating
uninterrupted observations.

On the whole, climatologists use the incomplete findings of meteorological
stations far more often than those providing complete observations.

IEA analysts say climatologists use the data of stations located in large
populated centers that are influenced by the urban-warming effect more
frequently than the correct data of remote stations.

The scale of global warming was exaggerated due to temperature distortions
for Russia accounting for 12.5% of the world’s land mass. The IEA said it was
necessary to recalculate all global-temperature data in order to assess the
scale of such exaggeration.

Global-temperature data will have to be modified if similar climate-date
procedures have been used from other national data because the calculations
used by COP15 analysts, including financial calculations, are based on HadCRUT
research.

What the Russians are suggesting here, in other words, is that the entire
global temperature record used by the IPCC to inform world government policy is
a crock.

As Richard North says: This is serial.

UPDATE: As Steve
McIntyre reports at ClimateAudit, it has long been suspected that the CRU
had been playing especially fast and loose with Russian – more particularly
Siberian – temperature records. Here from March 2004, is an
email from Phil Jones to Michael Mann.

Recently rejected two papers (one for JGR and for GRL) from people saying
CRU has it
wrong over Siberia. Went to town in both reviews, hopefully
successfully. If either
appears
I will be very surprised, but you never
know with GRL.
Cheers
Phil

And here at Watts
Up With That is a guest post by Jeff Id of the Air Vent

And here is what one of the commenters has to say about the way the data has
been cherry-picked and skewed for political ends:

The crux of the argument is that the CRU cherry picked data following the
same methods that have been done everywhere else. They ignored data covering
40% of Russia and chose data that showed a warming trend over statistically
preferable alternatives when available. They ignored completeness of data,
preferred urban data, strongly preferred data from stations that relocated,
ignored length of data set.

One the final page, there is a chart that shows that CRU’s selective use of
25% of the data created 0.64C more warming than simply using all of the raw
data would have done. The complete set of data show 1.4C rise since 1860, the
CRU set shows 2.06C rise over the same period.

Not, of course, dear readers that I’m in any way tempted to crow about these
latest revelations. After all, so many of my colleagues, junior and senior, have
been backing me on this one to the hilt….

Oh, if anyone speaks Russian, here’s the full
report.

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I have wondered why we haven’t had any reports on the Russian’s point of
view, from COP15.

Could it be that the World MSM, all AGW believers, don’t like to report
‘denialists’ views?

Russia is due to profit nicely from all the carbon trading. So while their
scientists are not in bed with the AGW crowd, their industrialists (and others
…) most definitely are.

Interesting …

colliemum on Dec 16th, 2009 at 7:34 pm

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And the Russians know that HMG has been driving the data manipulation,
using the BBC and the Met office.

Well done them for directly addressing the corruption at the heart of
Labour, which is rotting from the head. Prescott, Blair, Brown and Mandelson,
plus Campbell, are probably all implicated in this fraud.

I expect that they will have violated US Federal laws: thank heavens Labour
have no qualms about fast-tracking extraditions to Uncle Sam`s tender
mercies.

barryobarma
on Dec 16th, 2009 at 7:35 pm

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And the Heaven says that you are not observing science, James.

I do not know what happened yesterday between you two, but the guy is mad.
He should read all your posts related to the science of climate change.

Best,
Pedro

pedroerik on
Dec 16th, 2009 at 7:36 pm

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HadCRUT gets a haircut, Russian-style.

stuiec on Dec
16th, 2009 at 7:38 pm

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How large is this circulation?

oriphus on Dec
16th, 2009 at 7:39 pm

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This just gets better and better. It’s like a soap opera except I WANT to
watch it. True enough, where have the Russians been in all this? It seems like
they should have been front and center all along, not just because of the land
mass, but also because so much of it is Arctic land mass.

Bu on U on
Dec 16th, 2009 at 7:40 pm

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Willy Boy should swap his polar bears for Russian ones!

barryobarma
on Dec 16th, 2009 at 7:40 pm

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‘This is a very powerful accusation, which if true could change much about
the climate science debate. Many papers are based on this dataset which has
the highest trend of the major ground datasets.’

Link:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/16/russian-iea-claims-cru-tampered-with-climate-data-cherrypicked-warmest-stations/

Yep. True.

colliemum on Dec 16th, 2009 at 7:51 pm

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We’re truly living in strange times.

Robinson on
Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:01 pm

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Robinson on Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:01 pm

Strangely Strange…. Yet, Oddly, Normal….

theunbrainwashed on Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:10 pm

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Al Gore is on a roll. He seems to think he is the President of the World
already. Notice it was he who asked the world leaders to reconvene in Mexico
in July. Not Obama or Ban Ki Moon or anyone with less authority than Al Gore.
Anyway… Mexico city in July? That old trick again. Bound to be stiflingly
hot.

dawei on Dec
16th, 2009 at 8:13 pm

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So is young Will still walking around, or did he post his latest drivel
from a hospital bed?

Hamish
Redux on Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:14 pm

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Can’t take it all in after a long day’s work but it certainly looks
interesting and I’m in there if only on the sidelines!

yaosxx on Dec
16th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

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The Russians are crafty. They waited until the world leaders were in
Copenhagen before dropping their bombshell. I’m was very surprised by this but
now that its happened it makes some sense because Russia Today were running
the climategate story non-stop and the Russians have also threatened to say
where the leaked data and emails originated from. This news is going to spread
fast.

Thomas33 on
Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:21 pm

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The duty of the press, and the esteemed Mr Delingpole, is not to argue the
case for or against AGW, and any measures that might require, but to demand
that the entire AGW hypothesis be re-examined by competent scientists
untainted by recent revelations.

Pragmatist
on Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:23 pm

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Poor Will Heaven…he must be feeling a complete numpty.

Bry St
Ives on Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:31 pm

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dawei.
Mexico City is hot during the daytime. Cools a great deal at
night due to its height.Can’t remember the exact metres-maybe 5000?
But,
obviously this know it all wants a hot place to keep on spouting this AGW
rubbish. Copenhagen isn’t working too well for him it seems.
But, the news
is so much better now, I already feel a warmth in the air!!!!Even though it is
freezing outside.

LADYMONEYPENNY on Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:32 pm

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dawei on Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:13 pm

Swine Flu anybody?

theunbrainwashed on Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:34 pm

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Pragmatist:
apparently all scientists are bought into AGW, so maybe some
non-scientists are the only option?

barryobarma
on Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:35 pm

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America is WAKING UP!

Updated December 16, 2009
Obama’s Push for Copenhagen Deal Could Violate
Constitution, Critics Say

FOXNews.com

President Obama’s mission to save the planet from global warming could end
up trampling on the U.S. Constitution, critics say.

…The Constitution states that the president cannot sign treaties without
the approval of two-thirds of the Senate, or 60 senators….

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/16/obamas-push-copenhagen-deal-violate-constitution-critics-say/

theunbrainwashed on Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:40 pm

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Don’t worry – Brown has already committed the UK to providing £1.5bn to the
EU’s climate change fund to help developing countries combat climate change,
making the UK the biggest contributor. However, the Mail and the Telegraph
note that he is preparing to offer to make another payment into a $100bn
international fund in a “final push” to reach a global agreement.

So that’s ok then.

Hagar on Dec
16th, 2009 at 8:42 pm

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@Pragmatist James hasn’t finished exposing tainted scientists yet. There
will be more to come and then we’ll see how many AWG scientists are still
respected enough to debate with. I expect more scandals will be revealed and
post normal science will most likely get some coverage and make an awful lot
of AGW people look bad.

Thomas33 on
Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

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James, Thank you, this is so good.

Now we the Kiwis, Aussies, Yanks, and Ruskies all saying that somebody
slept in their bed! Dream on Copenhagen, home of bedtime stories for scaredy
kiddies!

thejollygreenman on Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:45 pm

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This has to affect NASA and NOAA temp records. Seems unlikely that they
could be matching the CRU records so closely with out making similar
“adjustments”.

Anyone hearing anything on that? Time for FOI, letters to congress, etc.
Where’s our data???

burgess on Dec
16th, 2009 at 8:49 pm

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The report can be found here:

http://www.iea.ru/

The Google translation is readable. The report’s claims should be easy to
check. I’ll be interested to see how had/cru respond.

thecultsings on Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

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As you’ve said already, those scientists are toast!

Clothilde
S on Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

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The examiner has run this story too with links to the original Russian.
There are claims that the data was leaked and there is new evidence on Climate
Audit that Phil Jones was complicit in the suppression of papers calling
HadCRUT into question over these data. http://tinyurl.com/russianscrugore
Sorry about the website
address I couldn’t resist ha ha.

Thomas33 on
Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

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Sent December 15, 2009

Dear Prime Minister Harper:

Strong Canada Mumbai in Weathergate Snuff Film

Hawks CAFE believes that Maurice Strong and the Canadian Commercial
Corporation equipped the Kellogg School of Management with Entrust PKI and
FC-KU* crime scene technologies for a ‘Weathergate’ snuff film production in
Mumbai in November 2008.

Our KSM agents have evidence that Weathergate (UNEP!) godfather Maurice
Strong, directed a CCC sub-contractor, MacDonald, Dettwiler and Associates, to
develop the Ku-band technology to backhaul snuff films from the Munich Olympic
crime scene in 1972.

“The Times of India ^ | 16 December 2009 Posted on Tuesday, December 15,
2009 3:50:38 PM by cold start NEW DELHI: India’s suspicion that US was not
coming clean on David Coleman Headley, the US-based Lashkar jehadi who
facilitated 26/11 by providing Ajmal Kasab and others with precise information
about their targets, has deepened .. The collaboration, investigation by US
media suggests, deepened in the following years and Headley was allowed to go
to Pakistan soon after 9/11 terror attacks on the US. In his new role, he is
suspected to have worked for the CIA which has huge covert operations going on
in Pakistan and Afghanistan. In any case, DEA and CIA agents working in Af-Pak
region routinely segue into each other’s roles to fight terrorism fuelled by
proceeds of opium smuggling. Because of his Pakistani origin, Headley
successfully infiltrated the jehadi groups, particularly Lashkar-e-Toiba, and
kept briefing the Americans on the jehadi outfit’s plans, including the one to
attack Mumbai in September last year .. The surveillance on him confirmed the
“defection” to the jehadi camp, bringing out his plan to attack the Danish
newspaper and Jewish targets as well as links with dreaded terrorist Ilyas
Kashmiri who hates India and the US with equal intensity. But while Headley
has been arrested, Americans may be loath to allow Indians direct access to
him and not just for the fear of uncomfortable details of their previous
collaboration. The jehadi, who was earlier known as Daood Salim Gilani, has
been very forthcoming and his testimony may be crucial for the conviction of
Rana who has become a bigger target for the US because of suspicion that he
may have used his immigration firm to bring in Pakistanis of suspect
credentials into the US on forged travel documents. The FBI affidavit against
Rana makes it clear that the two have fallen out with Rana claiming that he
was duped by Headley. Rana has been keeping mum while Headley has been
cooperating with the interrogators, FBI sources have confirmed to US media ..
The fact that it was FBI which tipped off about Lashkar’s plans and was
crucial to the breakthrough in the 26/11 probe is also widely acknowledged.
But there is growing frustration with the delay in accessing information about
and from Headley. In fact, the official’s criticism came on a day when FBI’s
fresh charge sheet against Headley’s co-accused Rana listed details that the
American agency had initially not shared with their Indian counterparts. The
document filed by the FBI in a Chicago court seeking Rana’s continued
detention mentioned Gujarat’s Somnath temple and Bollywood stars among targets
identified by Lashkar. FBI’s charge sheet against Headley was silent about
these targets. “Why are they sharing things in bits and pieces on a matter
that is so crucial for us”, said another official familiar with the details of
the cooperation with the American investigating agency .. Headley’s dealings
with US agencies dates to 1988, almost 10 years before his arrest in New York,
when he caught in Frankfurt for smuggling drugs. He was handed over to DEA.
Even then, he got off with a lighter sentence by testifying against his
partners. Referring to those arrests, Philadelphia Inquirer on Sunday
reported, “It quickly became clear to federal law enforcement officials in New
York that Headley knew a great deal about heroin trade between US and Pakistan
and was wiling to cooperate. Headley went to work for DEA, making heroin cases
against at least three Pakistani men”. Indian investigators, meanwhile, found
that Headley during his multiple visits to India had spent a lot of money
running into lakhs of rupees through credit cards issued by American banks and
in fake Indian currency, believed to have been brought from Pakistan. “It is
found during the probe that in most of the instances where Headley had paid
cash amount, a few currency notes in the entire payment would be fake which he
had procured during his trips to Pakistan”, said an official. Indian
investigators are now trying to find out who had paid his credit card bills in
the American banks.”

“2004: Funding for RapidEye satellite constellation and ground segment with
help of .. CCC (Canadian Commercial Corporation), MacDonald Dettwiler (MDA)
was awarded the contract as the prime contractor to build RapidEye’s satellite
system. RapidEye relocated their business to Brandenburg an der Havel,
Germany”

“KOUROU, French Guiana — Satellite component manufacturer MacDonald,
Dettwiler & Associates Ltd. (MDA) of Canada targeting opportunities among
Central Asian nations that were once part of the Soviet Union, MDA Chief
Executive Dan Friedman said Oct. 28. National Space Agency of Ukraine has gone
so far as to say MDA has won a contract for a satellite to be located at 38.2
degrees east longitude and carry 16 Ku- and four Ka-band transponders.”

“MDA develops defence and security information systems .. nerve centre of
military operational chain of command. These systems, called C4ISR (command,
control, communication, computer Intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance),
fuse many different static and dynamic data sources into comprehensive,
obtainable information used for real-time decision making in the field.
Examples of MDA’s work in this area include: an operational system delivered
to the Canadian military that allows military personnel to securely create,
send and receive messages around the world”

“VANCOUVER, B.C. June 29, 1995 MacDonald, Dettwiler and Associates, Ltd.
PSC Group agreement with Northern Telecom Ltd. of Mississauga, Ont providing
certain services for a new Nortel security product called Entrust” “Based on
Entrust’s trusted public key infrastructure (PKI) technology, Entrust
ePassport security solutions enable a true “point-and-click” PKI system for
strong border control and authentication of identities and biometric datasets
on today’s machine-readable travel documents (MRTDs). .. The Government of
Canada’s Secure Channel project issues Entrust Digital IDs, known as e-passes,
to businesses and citizens. They reached the 2,000,000 milestone of e-passes
issued in December of 2006, having doubled from 1,000,000 the previous
December. The Secure Channel Project is a multi-departmental, public and
private sector effort to build a common security infrastructure for government
electronic business and service delivery. It is designed and operated on
behalf of Public Works and Government Services Canada (PWGSC) by Team BCE, a
consortium of eight industry leaders that is led by Bell Canada and includes
Entrust” “The US Federal government .. public-key infrastructure (PKI) for
securing government data assets and communication .. Over 60 US government
agencies and bureaus use Entrust solutions. Entrust provides solutions to
complement a number of current US Federal government initiatives: Homeland
Security Presidential Directive 12 (HSPD-12) Beginning October 2006, all
government agencies will be required to issue smart cards with digital
certificates for physical and logical access to their employees and
contractors.”

Please investigate Maurice Strong’s communications with the Canadian
Commercial Corporation and the Kellogg School of Management during the
‘Weathergate’ snuff film production in Mumbai in November 2008.
http://www.captainsherlock.com/

Yours sincerely,

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year airline and 22 year military pilot, 23,000 hours of safety, Tel: 218 329
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Blow-out specialist, safety officer, trouble shooting. Decades of experience
in explosives, incendiaries, radioactive materials and 12-D simulations.

…………………………………..

Notes: Northwestern University Transportation Center (1954) – Directed by
Professor Hani Mahmassani. Secure tunnel into Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Kristine
Serco Marcy or Kellogg School of Management (KSM) VPNs to move Weathergate
snuff-film cameras, weapons, money and oath-takers through FC-KU (Femme Comp
Inc on KU-band) crime scenes.

captainsherlock on Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:02 pm

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burgess: “This has to affect NASA and NOAA temp records. Seems unlikely
that they could be matching the CRU records so closely with out making similar
“adjustments”.”

As I understand it, this is not a question of cru adjustments, which have
been shown to be sound, and to stand up well against analysis. They’re talking
about cherry-picking raw data.

thecultsings on Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

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james,
There’s something very strange about this, perhaps you could
explain. What you report seems so important, so significant, and yet The
Telegraph makes no mention of it on its main web page, does not even reference
it in a story on Copenhagen. I had assumed Heaven must have some connections
at a senior level in order to be allowed his adolescent blogs, but I never
suspected his influence could stretch so far as to censure news content. Or is
your story somehow flawed?

Son of
Boso on Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:04 pm

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@sonofboso. I’ll leave it to the regulars to put you right on this one.
More than my “job” is worth, squire.

James
Delingpole on Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:09 pm

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Russia Today is about the only decent TV news agency. It seems to favour
American and British patriots. This can be very confusing and even
intimidating. It’s as if the Russian intelligentsia have worked our current
Western secular values and regard them with disdain. Very confusing given the
mess their own country is in but there you have it.

Thomson
Twin on Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:10 pm

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@theunbrainwashed

The fox news poll looks pretty convincing so far.

oriphus on Dec
16th, 2009 at 9:14 pm

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@thecultsings

“As I understand it, this is not a question of cru adjustments, which have
been shown to be sound, and to stand up well against analysis.”

are we losing grip on reality?

oriphus on Dec
16th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

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oriphus,

“are we losing grip on reality?”

Nope. Look it up.

thecultsings on Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:19 pm

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Wow! A Spooky Tooth reference…my cup is full!

(8:10 unbrainwashed)

Scorpion de Rooftrouser on Dec 16th,
2009 at 9:21 pm

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I think thecultsings is misunderstood here. He simply has a very dry
wit.

burgess on Dec
16th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

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I would like to know which specific part you believe stands up well against
analysis so i can direct you to the coresponding climate audit, WUWT or the
air vent analysis of the debunkt junk / distorted PNS crap science.

oriphus on Dec
16th, 2009 at 9:24 pm

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Wrong again…I was getting my Island artists mixed up. Dr Strangely Strange,
I meant.

It was a long time ago.

Scorpion de Rooftrouser on Dec 16th,
2009 at 9:25 pm

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burgess, lol, i like that. I think probably best to just take that aproach
from now on when i read his garbage, there is hardly any point in engaging
such idiocracy

oriphus on Dec
16th, 2009 at 9:27 pm

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Black Dynamite Meets Barak….. Serial.. Super Awsome….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyq4i3TF8Hc

theunbrainwashed on Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:27 pm

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I have just spent over two hours reading a document published by the BNP
denouncing the whole AGW and Copenhagen scam.

The document is 40 pages long and if one deletes the words BNP and British
National Party by substituting the Common Sense Party (For this document, then
this makes by far and away the most literate argument against AGW.

In particular the Copenhagen objectives are described in detail, and thus
far I have found no claims or data which are incompatible with denier
blogs

the link is
http://bnp.org.uk/pdf_files/Global-Warming-BNP-Briefing-Paper.pdf

courtesy sshorts @ 1:48pm in comment on James blog yesterday 16th
December.

manonthemoor on Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

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This is becoming like a cut and paste nightmare for serial conspiracy
theorists. Every little connection and thread is obsessively followed on its
insignificant course to no conclusion; being salivated over by a crew of
enthusiasts for futility.

None of it matters. The carbon trade market is the onbly bit of interest
and that would be nice to curb before it gets out of hand but the markets
invented derivatives, and all the rest of the financial moondust, for the last
bubble so they will find another way to engineer funny money out of nothing if
we stop them playing with a carbonated world.

As to the rest it gets us nowhere. It does nothing except score a few
points for a bunch of people crazed by the thought they must be proven right.
And the more they argue the more imperative that thought becomes.

Forget it all because it is of no significance and start thinking about
what lies behind and below the argument. Oil is becoming increasingly
expensive to extract. Wells are being capped. The remaining significant and
easily available stocks are in the Middle East (largely). Here America has
planted itself by invading a sovereign state. Pipeline routes and other
strtegic positioning is advanced by holding Afghanistan so America is there
too. We are following for the same reasons; we want to be where the economic
oil is. Both America and Britain want to support their military industrial
complexes. They are scared of the economic collapse that would follow a
reduction in these sectors and the unemployment this would create. They (we)
need war. Hence the demonisation of various peoples, religions and so on. This
demonisation is allowed and even encouraged and the dirty work is done on
blogs like these by the gullible who are playing to the desires of the
governments wanting the real agendas to be hidden.

We should be asking why are we not reducing our abilities to scrap over
remaining easily available oil stocks and investing this saving in the
production of alternative energies to get our energy balance right for the,
possible, good of the planet but also for the obvious security of mankind and
his/her health. This is work that has to be done soon and it should start now
before countries like Iraq find that the new democracies that have been
planted on them at the end of a gun actually entitle them to be inedependent
in the disposition of their resources and auction them off in such a way that
America loses out. This has greatly increased the possibility of
confrontation, eventually, between major powers, China, Russia, India (SCO
members or associates) and the Western block lead by America.

Sticking ‘Gate’ on the end of a word does not impart significance to what
is essentially banal.
John Duckham
http://johnduckham.tk/

Duckham on Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

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Bry St Ives: ‘Numpty’, I like that. Hadn’t heard it before — thanks for the
word.

amanda on Dec
16th, 2009 at 9:30 pm

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KSM Chips Clipper to Agent Del N. Pole: In as much as you seem to be the
focal point of ClimateGate Truth let me give you advance notice that Agent
Pole will be receiving information from Chatterbox Peva Pravda, an Abel Danger
Assett in Moscow. When ClimateGate arrests begin in the USA, which should be
fairly soon, Chips will be over to buy pints for the English Agents including
Barmey Badger, Hamish C. Watson and Del N. Pole. Congratulations for appearing
to save humanity from the parasitic elitists spewing hot air,
capeche?
Google [ Del N. Pole ]

Agent Chips
Minnesota
The Colonies

http://www.captainsherlock.com/Olympic-Debt-2/Chapter-3.html

chips on Dec
16th, 2009 at 9:36 pm

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oh Duckham, you have opened my eyes! i get it now, there is nothing to see
here. Phew. Guess i can go back to watching the t.v again. How much oil in the
american reserves by the way? bahh forget it. Im off to watch
eastenders.

oriphus on Dec
16th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

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oriphus

cru adjustments, which have been shown to be sound, and to stand up
well against analysis.

All I could do was laugh.

burgess on Dec
16th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

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Now Pachauri is being shown up as not quiet innocent,as someone has already
said, this is like a soap that we want to watch
http://www.environmentdaily.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=120&sid=02fee24a66cf5c08bbfaa323f8d8213b

forfismum on
Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

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Son of Boso:

I don’t know when you came on board, so to speak, but the good ship
Clitanic sailed some time ago.

Have a look for starters at this first blast of the trumpet (link is below
for your convenience), and then follow the Delingpole threads forward from
there. I suspect that these will address most of your questions, and perhaps
raise some you haven’t yet considered, as well.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/

amanda on Dec
16th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

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Blow it out your arse Duckham!

oblong on Dec
16th, 2009 at 9:45 pm

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“I would like to know which specific part you believe stands up well
against analysis so i can direct you to the coresponding climate audit, WUWT
or the air vent analysis of the debunkt junk / distorted PNS crap
science.”

“In particular, it would presumably be of interest to know whether the
trends in the CRU data are very different than the trends in the raw data,
since this could be taken as indication that the methods used by CRU result in
an overstatement of the evidence for global warming.”

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/12/are-the-cru-data-suspect-an-objective-assessment/#more-2351

thecultsings on Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:46 pm

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“As I understand it, this is not a question of cru adjustments, which have
been shown to be sound.”
Yes, certainly, by the 5,000,000,000
post-scientists on the IPCC.

riverboy77
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the Clitanic:

I rather like that idea, actually.

There’s Al Gore as the Captain who only came aboard last week but goes
about the quarter deck claiming to have invented everything on the ship.

There’s Phil Jones steering into an iceberg and telling the passengers not
to worry, it’ll melt in a minute.

There’s Michael Mann, the overenthusiastic Master who’s a bit too free with
the cat o’ nine tails in the vain hope of keeping the CRU in line.

We’ve had a poetry contest, can we have a song contest now, with new lyrics
set to the melody of the Gilligan’s Island theme?

amanda on Dec
16th, 2009 at 9:51 pm

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thecultsings is not human captainsherlock is correct is just a clever
computer, programmed to mimic conversation.
Either that or the syphilis is
getting worse and the brain rot continues unabated.

crownarmourer on Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:51 pm

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Not only does the missing station data happen with Russia, but AFrica and
South America too! Check it out .. i prove it right from the largest data file
obtained:

http://69.84.25.250/blogger/post/ClimateGate-Data-Series-Part-5-A-break-down-of-large-data-file-for-manipulating-global-temperature-trends-from-2006-2009.aspx

jetxnet on Dec
16th, 2009 at 9:52 pm

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er amanda it sounds rude maybe another name perhaps or a hyphen.

crownarmourer on Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:53 pm

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Russia Today is about the only decent TV news agency.

This is what I mean when I say we’re living in strange times. I now
trust the KGB backed Moscow media more than I do my own country’s esteemed
organs. Something is wrong with the world, very wrong.

Robinson on
Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:56 pm

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ok more bluntly sounds like the title of a bad porno movie.

crownarmourer on Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:56 pm

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amanda:
You might want to rename “the good ship Clitanic”…

barryobarma
on Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:56 pm

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theculturing sings its mechanistic nonsense 9:46

captainsherlock on Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:59 pm

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@jetxnet thank you for that link.

James
Delingpole on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:01 pm

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Or how about ‘Rock the Boat’:

Our data’s like a ship on the ocean
We’ve been sailing with a
cargo
full of tosh and devotion…

Up to now we’ve sailed through every storm
And I’ve always had your
cooked-up graphs
to keep me warm…

So I’d like to know where
You got the notion
To rock the
boat
Don’t rock the boat, baby
Don’t tip the boat over….

amanda on Dec
16th, 2009 at 10:07 pm

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“Sticking ‘Gate’ on the end of a word does not impart significance to what
is essentially banal.”

No use trying “Duckhamgate”, then.

By the way, Duckham or Pitcher or whatever you call yourself this week,
there is a lot more oil than you think. See other people’s responses the last
17 times you made this point.

Clothilde
S on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:08 pm

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amanda,
I have been an occasional stowaway. I have followed Mr
Delingpole with some interest, but cannot understand why the newspaper for
which he blogs does not share my interest

Son of
Boso on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:10 pm

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It’s no use, Clothilde. (What a lovely name you have, by the way.)

You can say ‘Canadian tar sands’ till you’re red white and blue in the
face, and it won’t make any difference to Duckham.

amanda on Dec
16th, 2009 at 10:11 pm

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thecultsings

do you not understand this article? anyway. As you have decided to avoid
‘Hockey sticks’, ilegal data deletion, ilegal refusal to release FOI data Here
are some links to the FUDGE FACTOR.

1. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/04/climategate-the-smoking-code/

2. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/05/the-smoking-code-part-2/

oriphus on Dec
16th, 2009 at 10:12 pm

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Clothilde S not sure why he keeps on spouting about an oil shortage, must
be trying to talk up the price of his oil company shares or something or he
has shares in alternate energy companies.

crownarmourer on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:14 pm

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Son of Boso:

Well, perhaps it really does. All of us Hansels and Gretels are managing to
trace the bread crumbs to this blog well enough, are we not? Sorry to change
the metaphor. Alternative: with or without a lighthouse, the dinghies on the
high seas are finding the harbour, are they not?

amanda on Dec
16th, 2009 at 10:14 pm

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To say nothing of the oil in the ANWR (Alaska National Wildlife Refuge)
which has a great deal of land, a great deal of oil, and not so very many
caribou that some accommodation couldn’t be reached. It’s a question of
political will, and of the Left being sensible about this.

amanda on Dec
16th, 2009 at 10:18 pm

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This from Free Republic
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2408987/posts?q=1&;page=1

“I looked at the “hacked” material. I think it was a prepackaged bunch of
data being prepared for an FOIA response. I think the CRU “leaked” it from
within to give them deniability- hey, someone added or changed stuff! This is
similar to the Obama Gitmo/Abu G “leak”, by agreeing to a release then denyng
the release then having the material magically appear, the WH could deny
certain ones as being unauthentic. The “leak” onto a Russian open file server
does not mean much, there are scads of them over there, all open to anyone.
The key is, who pointed people to it? There is a reporter who knows who at
least one of the people involved is, there are reports that someone went to a
reporter with the material and the reporter looked at it and said he didn’t
want to get involved. Like Novak and Valerie Plame, this is just sitting there
for now.”

captainsherlock on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:21 pm

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Son of Boso the answer to your question is quite simply the owners of the
Telegraph have bought into the whole AGW scam so naturally very few anti AGW
articles gets into the main paper. The blogs are sort of outside the main
discourse and have a limited viewership usually so are tolerated and they
drive some revenue to the company coffers.
Ever noticed that sometimes you
can not get onto these blogs due to technical issues.
At least be thankful
the owners of the Telegraph allow this small outlet of discourse.

crownarmourer on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:22 pm

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oriphus, if CRU’s code was messed up, it would have shown in the published
cru adjusted data, as compared with raw data. That is not the case.

thecultsings on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:25 pm

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amanda you can turn Caribou into oil you know.

crownarmourer on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:26 pm

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Crownarmourer: I think ‘the Clitanic’ works just fine as a name for the
other side of this. People like to back winners. If they don’t see climate
moralism as the winning proposition, perhaps they will feel more comfortable
with criticisms of it….

Interesting, your comments on the nature of the blogs here.

amanda on Dec
16th, 2009 at 10:27 pm

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amanda,
I think you’ve been at the rum

Son of
Boso on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

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My mum says it’s ok for me to post this, she’s a geologist and it’s her
response to my request for advice…her point of view. I listen to my mum……you
should too.

p.s. names have been removed to protect the innocent.

———-
Hwaet,

I’ve went on a lovely walk along the Coast Path yesterday afternoon. We
then popped into the Bay Inn for mulled wine and mince pies. It was a little
warmer today – it was frosty and very cold yesterday.

I sent a parcel to ‘Daughter A’ and ‘Daughter B’ yesterday so all parcels
and cards gone now. I put a cheque in ‘Son A’s card so do let him have it next
time you see him. Is he still working at the crab factory?

I saw a programme the other evening that showed Pelamis in use in Portugal.
Why was it not taken up in the UK?

Global Warming

The theory that temperature rises with increasing CO2 doesn’t seem to be
correct or indeed vice versa. If it was a simple relationship why would the
temperature fall after 1940 when CO2 is rising with increased
industrialisation?

Temperature changes (from ice cores) match changes in solar activity.
Changing solar activity explains the dip after 1940 and the more recent rise.
Surprisingly obvious that the Sun is driving climate change and CO2 is less or
largely irrelevant. The graphs produced from ice core research seem to show if
anything, that C02 rises lag behind temperature rises not the other way round.
Probably C02 is being released by warming of the oceans.

However it seems the recent rise in CO2 may well be partly caused by human
activity. Carbon 14 levels do appear to show that. Prior to atmospheric
testing of nuclear weapons, decreases in the relative amount of carbon-14
showed that fossil fuel carbon was being added to the atmosphere. (Studies of
tree rings have shown that the proportion of carbon-14 in the atmosphere
dropped by about 2% between 1850 and 1954. After this time, atmospheric
nuclear bomb tests destoyed this method by releasing large amounts of
carbon-14.)However there appears to be no reason to panic as natural systems
like the carbon sink have taken care of rising CO2 in the past. In the
Devonian C02 was ten times what it is now and the earth didn’t suffer runaway
heating. After the last Ice Age the temperature rose 5 degrees in 2-3 decades
which caused problems for low lying coastal regions. The climate did not run
away uncontrollably.

In all the climate in the geological past seems controlled by solar
activity (Milancovitch cycles and cosmic ray changes) and if there is a
relationship between temperature rise and C02 rise it is certainly not a
simple one. In Al Gore’s graph of the recent past he shows a direct
relationship but his graph must have been manipulated as I have never seen
such a perfect graph anywhere in scientific literature. It is way too
perfect.

I watched the video of Lord Monckton’s interview and don’t disagree with
what he is saying. I think he is relying on information given to him rather
than having made a scientific study himself. If climate scientists can’t agree
which data is correct how can we lay people be sure. In any case man is too
selfish to think of long term consequences (especially the Chinese and
Americans) so the earth will have to take care of itself as it has done for
millions of years before us puny humans appeared.

Micel lufian
Modor xx

Halletan,

Just been to a show at the local Gospel church! Our Keep Fit instructor
invited us to a song and dance show and didn’t mention how religious it would
be. Still it was interesting to see what goes on in a Full Gospel Church.
I
have the Badminton Christmas do tomorrow night which I hope will not be
Christmasy.
I’m going to ‘Nephew A’s nativity play on Thursday. He is a
King this year. Is ‘Daughter C’ the whole donkey or one end of it? When you
say traveller do you mean gypsy or just someone travelling? Are you allowed to
take photos? There has been talk of not being able to here because of
paedophiles. PC gone mad.
Will look out for a parcel. Sister A &
boyfriend and I have decided not to buy for each other this year – just for
Nephew A.

I watched Prince Charles’ talk on TV. It would be funny if all the proposed
changes are made, damaging the world economy and we then go into an Ice Age.
All the talk is based on man’s C02 output being the sole cause of global
warming. I’m amazed that it has become the gospel when so many eminent
scientists with no axe to grind doubt that basic ‘fact’. Why don’t the two
sides sit down together and thrash out exactly what the evidence shows. They
seem to have entrenched attitudes and are trying to make a name for themselves
instead of intelligent debate. I suppose the argument is that if we wait for
definitive proof it will be too late to make the changes.
Micel
lufian
Modor xx
———

orkneylad on
Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

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Son of Bosco:
If you check out last week’s Spectator (a DT publication)
you’ll see that it is totally bought into the AGW nonsense.
This is driven
by the Twins, socialists who managed to scoop up the Telegraph when Conrad
Black was stiffed and his Hollinger business was disemboweled.

cap’n: there was a concise report (via WUWT) on the nature of the data
leak. It was parked internally, under a disguised name, for careful release
when the FoI avoidance was exhausted.

It appears that someone had a peek, realised what was going on and leaked
it anonymously.

barryobarma
on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:33 pm

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What’s that bbc? 8 – 12 inches of Snow on the way in South East
England??

theunbrainwashed on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:35 pm

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At what stage do the politicians get themselves a new electorate?

barryobarma
on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:36 pm

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Son of Boso: no, I just keep neglecting to turn off italics. Perhaps I
shouldn’t use them. They have too many calories, anyway.

amanda on Dec
16th, 2009 at 10:38 pm

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burgess on Dec 16th, 2009 at 8:49 pm

It’s all over the place check back linx on JDs previous posts…

theunbrainwashed on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:39 pm

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theunbrainwashed the bbc clearly stated a drought and tropical heatwave
time to hit the beach.

crownarmourer on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:40 pm

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James, I appreciate your keeping on this ClimateGate mission. In Chapter 4
I will have pictures of myself, in real life, and Putin’s Air Force 1 as well
as the President of Iran’s Air Force 1 and I will put real pictures of real
Russian ladies in the Chapter and will tell the story of an American airline
pilot temporarily ‘on assignment’ in Astana, Kazakhstan and being in Moscow
regularly as well as Istanbul and Dubai. If you think about it and stroke your
beard, what better place to pass sensitive information than a secure airline
cockpit. The flow of ClimateGate Info will be covered in Chapter 4 with much
credit going to a gentleman you may know, our Agent Del N. Pole

Field McConnell, US Naval Academy, 1971
aka ‘Captain Sherlock’

Plaintiff
Civil Case 3:07-cv-24 [exposed Boeing UI Autopilot]
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Case 3:07-cv-49 [identified 9/11 perps ]
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***
*** this case will be to Aviation Safety what your Blog has been to
ClimateGate awareness and solution.

Thanks James, I’ll buy you a pint next time in England

chips on Dec
16th, 2009 at 10:41 pm

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Methinks that Duckham is an old CND Cold War relic – can’t get the notion
of a military industrial complex out of his head – the same tune just keeps
repeating itself, together with visions of psychedelic colours, beads,
sandals, the smell of incense and other stuff.

Time to move on Ducky

Jonathan
Wilson on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:44 pm

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The 1.5 billion of our money that Brown is giving away to stop ‘climate
change’ is remarkably similar to the amount of money presently being cut from
the defence budget. Must be a coincidence, though.

xenophon on
Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:44 pm

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thecultsings

-.- the data is manipulated, it will show whatever they need it to show.
Raw data (s can be seen in this blog..dohh) has been cherry picked, you might
want to look at more evidence of how this is happening such as the ’single’
station at the antartic that is being used, how in america urban sites show no
rise but rural ones do..go figure!, have a look at darwin zoo or how about
this link http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/11/would-you-like-your-temperature-data-homogenized-or-pasteurized/.

But lets not beat around the bush. You know all this all ready and are only
here to stir trouble. A climate troll in denial.

Then of course there is the major power grab that is going on right at this
moment, the one that this has all been about, bodies funding PNS research to
aquire the info they want to push this agenda. But i guess you know about that
aswell. I bid you fairwell and have a good white xmas as we enter this maunder
minimum (but don’t worry its only weather…not climate!)

oriphus on Dec
16th, 2009 at 10:46 pm

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From the News in the DT :
“A blast of cold air from Russia brought many
parts of the country their first snow of the winter on Wednesday with even
central London receiving a dusting.”

I think the reporter was trying to slip the Climategate story under the
radar of the thought police.

barryobarma
on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:49 pm

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manonthemoor on Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

I’m sure I’ve said it before but…. WE SHOULD ALL join the bnp and change it
from within TO The Whatever Party
Is THIS the next Election?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31FFTx6AKmU

theunbrainwashed on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:49 pm

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No 45 recently: banned or holiday?

barryobarma
on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:52 pm

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theunbrainwashed

Have followed all JD’s posts and contributed to several (also enjoy your
contributions and links).

What I’m looking for is NASA nand NOAA’s raw data and their sources.
Haven’t seen that. I understand Christopher Horner of CEI is threatening NASA
with a law suit if they do not respond to his 2007 request for data. But so
far I think they’re keeping everything under wraps.

Do you know of any release of their raw data and code, like what we now
have from CRU?

burgess on Dec
16th, 2009 at 10:54 pm

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Lord Monckton, UKIP Climate Change spokesman, did say he would talk to the
Russian delegation in Copenhagen. I wonder if this had anything to do with
this news?

ruralidiot
on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:56 pm

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Tony Blair has been involved in persuading nations to sign up to a binding
global agreement so that is evidence enough that this project is flawed. The
harbinger of doom.

Hagar on Dec
16th, 2009 at 10:59 pm

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Robinson. It’s not just Rusian state media. Watch Fox. The BBC try to
rubbish it by comparing it to the Daily Mail, but it’s actually good
journalism. It is very open on AGW etc.

Hopefully we” get our own Fox after the socialists are voted out.

NeilMc on Dec
16th, 2009 at 11:00 pm

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oops, got my urban and rural the wrong way around in that post.

oriphus on Dec
16th, 2009 at 11:02 pm

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That was a quick sprint to the 100 mark.

barryobarma
on Dec 16th, 2009 at 11:07 pm

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NeilMc, Murdoch owns Fox and sky TV and various newspapers, he tells each
what they can or can not say.

crownarmourer on Dec 16th, 2009 at 11:11 pm

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test

amanda on Dec
16th, 2009 at 11:13 pm

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theunbrainwashed 10:49 pm

If the BNP elect a black leader, or even a black party chairman… But thats
not going to happen, they’re nasty racists first, British nationalists a
distant second.

You dont have to become a NAZI to beat the climate NAZIs.

Eric
Worrall on Dec 16th, 2009 at 11:18 pm

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OMG Nigel Fargae is on the Alex Jones show …. now that’s weird!

iridium on Dec
16th, 2009 at 11:23 pm

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Farage*

iridium on Dec
16th, 2009 at 11:24 pm

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http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel#p/u/3/emOj59ZppOA

iridium on Dec
16th, 2009 at 11:24 pm

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burgess on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:54 pm

Apologies… I have read somewhere that their raw data has also gone
‘missing’ sorry can’t find the link.

Were you also aware they were forced to admit they got it wrong with
calling 1998 the warmest year in 20c, and had to change it back to 1934?
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=8383

theunbrainwashed on Dec 16th, 2009 at 11:26 pm

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theunbrainwashed

Yes, I was aware of that correction. I suspect it’s only the tip of the
iceberg.

burgess on Dec
16th, 2009 at 11:40 pm

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an iceberg to sink the Clitanic.

burgess on Dec
16th, 2009 at 11:42 pm

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Eric Worrall on Dec 16th, 2009 at 11:18 pm

I agree, that’s why I say we ALL join Black white (or Pink if you prefer)
etc etc I know it is a pipe dream but hey…. The Main Stream Parties are a
Tragicomedy!

Shocking state they are! Bunch of supposed intelligent Kleptocratic
Goons.

No wonder the UK is ferked It’s run by the biggest bunch of incompetents
since the Keystone Cops! And there is NO OPPOSITION!

Woe is I;-(

theunbrainwashed on Dec 16th, 2009 at 11:43 pm

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why are you not considering UKIP as primary choice?

oriphus on Dec
16th, 2009 at 11:45 pm

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By the Way…. Y’all SHOULD be aware of THIS shit…

Link to CDP home
https://www.cdproject.net/en-US/Programmes/Pages/overview.aspx

https://www.cdproject.net/en-US/Programmes/Pages/Sig-Investor-List.aspx

theunbrainwashed on Dec 16th, 2009 at 11:52 pm

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orkneylad on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

You can trust your mother. I’m a geologist too. I recommend this

http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1181073

I Sage on Dec
16th, 2009 at 11:58 pm

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This is absolutely disgusting – why is this man not allowed to be
interviewed without receiving abuse and having objects thrown at him:

http://video.foxnews.com/12579645/challenging-the-data

I’m starting to think this really is going to all end in
violence.

katabasis on Dec 17th, 2009 at 12:00 am

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katabasis on Dec 17th, 2009 at 12:00 am

Because Truth Hurts!

theunbrainwashed on Dec 17th, 2009 at 12:21 am

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Thanks for that, katabasis. It’s just the warmists trying to suppress the
truth. It’s what they do.

Clothilde
S on Dec 17th, 2009 at 12:24 am

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Son of Boso on Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:04 pm – I agree. I found out about this
from a posting on a Daily Express article.

It seems rather sinister.

Scott on Dec
17th, 2009 at 12:50 am

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Jetxnet. Well done. The date is truly junk. Duplicate lines and blanks all
over the place. These sort of errors are often what cause financial models to
collapse. I imagine the same would hold true for other non-predictive systems
such as climate.

pewkatchoo
on Dec 17th, 2009 at 1:00 am

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The Warmist loan syndicate behind the Barclays Press Acquisitions holding
company is the same as the one behind Canwest Global (took down Conrad Black)
and the Tribune Company (took down Sam Zell).

Creditors control editors.

Sue signatory investors in CDP [Carbon Disclosure Project] treble damages
under RICO for wrongful deaths by state-sponsored starvation in re capping
exhalation of fertilser gas CO2 (Weathergate) and its all over.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land [and
air] to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels [especially
jobs of independent journalists].

5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a
national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly [$55 trillion
Carbon Disclosure Project Registered Charity no. 1122330. A company limited by
guarantee registered in England].

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands
of the state.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state;
the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil
generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies,
especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual
abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable
distribution of the populace over the country.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of
children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with
industrial production, etc.

“The Barclay twins injected £25m into the Telegraph group to aid the
refinancing of a loan used to buy the company, according to accounts. The
brothers, who paid £665m for the newspaper group in July 2004, made the
intervention through a share issue at their holding company, Press
Acquisitions. Accounts filed this week at Companies House record that at a
board meeting last December, Press Acquisitions allotted 25m shares worth £1
each. The company used the proceeds from this share issue to help pay back a
£250m loan taken out “for the purpose of funding the acquisition of the
investment in Telegraph Group Limited”.

captainsherlock on Dec 17th, 2009 at 1:33 am

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crownarmorer – “thecultsings is not human captainsherlock is correct is
just a clever computer, programmed to mimic conversation”

So to simultaneously drive but limit the debate; if you make a statement
AGW is crap thecultsings will point you somewhere into its database of links
to articles saying that AGW is not crap, then repeat your statement and say
“Really? Have you seen this …..”

Conversely if you make a statement that AGW is not crap thecultsings will
point you somewhere into its database of links to articles saying that AGW is
crap, then repeat your statement and say “Really? Have you seen this …..”

You get tired because the thecultsings Turing Machine has infinite patience
and handles insults in exactly the same way as it does predicates on AGW.

The Warmist bankers have financed an organization called Tomoye with a
million leaders, lurkers – such as thecultsings – and insiders to monitor
blogs such as these and try to create debate with controlled limits by
referencing the central computer in Chicago.

“General Shelton briefs team on analysis of DNA and explosive residues in
the Windows of the World’s frozen chickens. Hamish reverse engineers money
laundering and event arbitrage scams planned by ‘Snuff Film’ Barnett and his
KPMG-Paribas sponsors. Diehard supplies lurkers, specially bred to track suds
and semen of politically-correct congenital liars through the Vancouver
Wobblies’ penetrating the Chicago BEAGLES’ penetrating various
anarchoscatological
leaders of Tomoye, including ‘Chairman Moe’ Maurice
Strong,, ‘Eco-Bananna’ Eric Sauve and ‘Y2KClipper-
Dicker’ cryptologist,
Bruce McConnell. AD lurkers and their handlers track back through a maze of
evidence at
the tax-sheltered pig farm and Fresh Kills garbage hills to the
Paribas transaction which sealed the fate of thousands of climate deniers,
witnesses and whistleblowers on 9/11 – the August 1 license of TreasuryConnect
software developed by Enron-AIG for eSpeed and CO2e.com to Paribas clients,
including Maurice Strong and the Desmarais family. Shelton
discovers that
September 4, 2001 is now a deadline for the U.S. Department of Defense to link
Veteran Affairs pension funds through ‘TreasuryConnect’ to the UNEP carbon
credit pool; any failure to meet the deadline and Tomoye saboteurs and
assassins will launch net-centric warfare attacks on U.S. command centers in
New York and Washington D.C.”
http://www.captainsherlock.com/Hunters%20Wingman/Chapter-22.html

captainsherlock on Dec 17th, 2009 at 1:52 am

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Duckham on Dec 16th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

“This is becoming like a cut and paste nightmare for serial conspiracy
theorists. Every little connection and thread is obsessively followed on its
insignificant course to no conclusion; being salivated over by a crew of
enthusiasts for futility.”

You really don’t get it, do you?

Amazing.

Catweazle on
Dec 17th, 2009 at 2:28 am

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Catweazle – How many times does Duckham have to declare “Oil is becoming
increasingly expensive to extract” before you recognize it’s a Turing
Machine?

It has been programmed to obsessively follow on its insignificant course to
no conclusion; being salivated over by a crew of enthusiasts for futility.

In this sense the verb “salivate” is an apt description of people who
become unwittingly trapped in a Chomskyite debate.

The Unabomber Manifesto was funded by radicals inside the US DOJ and is a
classic example of letting a Turing-type machine spew cliches without
understanding.

(Source: well.sf.ca.us )

Unabomber’s Manifesto

The following is full text of the Unabomber’s Manifesto.

INTRODUCTION

1. The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for
the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us
who live in “advanced” countries, but they have destabilized society, have
made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led
to widespread psychological suffering (in the Third World to physical
suffering as well) and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world. The
continued development of technology will worsen the situation. It will
certainly subject human beings to greater indignities and inflict greater
damage on the natural world, it will probably lead to greater social
disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to
increased
physical suffering even in “advanced” countries.

2. The industrial-technological system may survive or it may break down. If
it survives, it MAY eventually achieve a low level of physical and
psychological suffering, but only after passing through a long and very
painful period of adjustment and only at the cost of permanently reducing
human beings and many other living organisms to engineered products and mere
cogs in the social machine. Furthermore, if the system survives, the
consequences will be inevitable: There is no way of reforming or modifying the
system so as to prevent it from depriving people of dignity and autonomy.”

Notice the undebatable MAY .. same shit with CO2 it MAY do anything but
cannt do much

It’s incapable of getting anything.

Ignore it.

captainsherlock on Dec 17th, 2009 at 2:48 am

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@oriphus on Dec 16th, 2009 at 7:39 pm

It is not only the Hadley folks who are dependent on the skewed Russian
data. In fact, NOAA in the USA have derived from fallaciously misinterpreted
data key elements of their contention that AGW is a confirmed fact, which of
course it is not, even applying the most elementary of truth validation
criteria according to Aristotelian principles.

First, to put matters into context, here is an interactive link to all
NOAA’s direct monitoring points. Please bear in mind that these monitoring
points are there as well to track actual lethal toxic gases, and were there
many years prior to this, as it is obvious to anyone who has the least
knowledge of the Earth’s crust and volcanology that all these monitoring
points are near areas of intense volcanic and seismic activity, which is more
important: airborne sulfuric acid, carbon monoxide, sulfur dioxide, and
airborne metals in microparticle form of the type which spew from volcanoes
are directly lethal, and G_d bless them for having the courage even to man
these monitoring points (guess who gets gassed first if the volcanoes let
loose, eh? Three guesses, and the first two don’t count). Nevertheless, carbon
counts at these points will always be higher than the overall reality as
carbon dioxide is what comes out of volcanoes more than any other gas. That is
what suffocated the residents of Pompeii:

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/iadv/

Here is a more simplified map, showing the correspondence of these
monitoring points with the fault lines of the planet upon which volcanoes are
active, globally.

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/Photo_Gallery/GMD_Figures/ccgg_figures/tn/ccggmap.png.html

Now, here is a link to the skewed NOAA Russian database provided to them
from the Hadley folks. These are six and three-hour interval readings from 223
Russian metering stations, all of which data can be downloaded from the ftp
site given:

http://mercdev3.ornl.gov/cdiac/send/xsltText2?fileURL=http://cdiac.ornl.gov:8080/xml/cdp/metadata/Dale_Kaiser/NDP_048.xml&full_datasource=Carbon%20Dioxide%20Information%20Analysis%20Center&full_queryString=%20text%20:%20russia%20text%20:%20carbon%20text%20:%20station%20AND%20(%20datasource%20:(%20cdiac%20landval%20rgd%20%20)%20)%20%20AND%20cdiacKeyword:u.s.s.r.&ds_id=Created%2020050809%20143555%20by%20160.91.18.40

Here is a more basic map, for laypersons, but it is the hard data which
someone may use given here that is of high value to the skeptics, as genuine,
dispassionate science was involved and was conducted well before the
medievalist witchburners of the AGW school decided to use this to leverage the
expression of their economic frustration (Let’s be honest, okay? All the AGW
argument is a mask for is the failure of the immature to realize the
consummation of their ridiculously high expectations of that which they think
their lives ought to have consisted. Too much, “When you wish upon a star,
your dreams come true,” and not enough “You have to work to make your dreams
come true.” So they are doing what the Jerries did starting in 1933 and
decided to murder the rest of the world in psychotic frustration and rage.
Tell me I’m wrong. Damn those people who wish to “debunk” Churchill and HMG
Forces status as heroes, and to make of them flawed and near-subhuman failures
as persons. They were heroes and near demigods to have won, and God help us if
we never see the like of them again, or we are for the long drop) and the net
findings point to an actual reduction overall in Russian GHG emissions.

http://mercdev3.ornl.gov/cdiac/send/facetsQuerry2?term1=text+%3A+russia+text+%3A+carbon+text+%3A+station+&term1attribute=text&op1=&term6attribute=datasource&op6=+OR+&term6=cdiac&term6=landval&term6=rgd&pageSize=10&start=0&sortattribute=project&facetattribute=datasource&facet=rgd&facetattribute=parameter&facet=carbon

Captain Sherlock, old boy, I don’t know if you are parodying the
information-overloaded conspiracy fanatic or not (if so, it’s brilliant, I
cannot stop laughing), but as with all superlative artistic achievement, it
does have its price. Not to put too fine a point on it, but it would a nice
time of year to turn the computer off for a day or two and visit people whom
you really love. You’re scaring me, and you provide such good information! If
it is any consolation I have had to shut off my machine on occasion just to
get re-oriented.

This is the Net, this a brain on the Net: skizzle, skizzle. I think things
like what you and I go through on occasion is due to the way digitally
motivated photons trigger the old endorphin flow rate.

Walt
OBrien on Dec 17th, 2009 at 2:48 am

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Ducky:
“…salivated over by a crew of enthusiasts for futility.”

For futility or of futility?

And surely, it’s a nightmare for warmists and their “running dog” corrupt
scientists, politicians and (bought) journalists, since the deluded poor souls
who you call serial conspiracy theorists are not screaming and running for
Mummy.

barryobarma
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thecultsings on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:25 pm

“oriphus, if CRU’s code was messed up, it would have shown in the
published cru adjusted data, as compared with raw data. That is not the
case.”

If you had been paying attention, trollbot nomarbles, you might have
noticed that we don’t have the chance of comparing the “homogenised”/”value
added” data, because Jones and his bunch have conveniently lost/stolen/deleted
it.

Now we have the raw Russian, African and South American data, the extent of
the CRU’s machinations becomes progressively more clear.

But hey, that won’t stop you trolling, will it?

Catweazle on
Dec 17th, 2009 at 2:51 am

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Jonathan Wilson on Dec 16th, 2009 at 10:44 pm

“Methinks that Duckham is an old CND Cold War relic – can’t get the
notion of a military industrial complex out of his head – the same tune just
keeps repeating itself, together with visions of psychedelic colours, beads,
sandals, the smell of incense and other stuff.”

Sounds reasonable.

Plus, maybe he took some of that black microdot that was around
1976ish.

Scrambled quite a few, that stuff did.

And further, acquaintances tell me that Indonesian grass is particularly
noteworthy. That can have a similar effect if you overindulge.

Catweazle on
Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:00 am

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This is a staggeringly significant event. Russia is putting itself AGAINST
a UN-sponsored effort. I don’t think it can happen if Russia opposes it. (And
how about Germany which, I think, gets natural gas and oil from Russia? What
is Germany now going to do? Say the Russians are lying?)

Russia has an interest in there being as much world demand for fossil fuels
as possible – i.e., they benefit from high energy prices. They are not above
doing a little (or whole lot of) deception themselves. But in terms of
realpolitik, whether they are being 100% honest/accurate does not
matter.

msher1 on Dec
17th, 2009 at 3:22 am

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catweazle….And further, acquaintances tell me that Indonesian grass is
particularly noteworthy. That can have a similar effect if you
overindulge.
May explain why he enjoys being a dhimmi in his wonderful
third world paradise.

crownarmourer on Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:41 am

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msher1: “Russia is putting itself AGAINST a UN-sponsored effort”

Russia got screwed by S.E.S. triple agent Robert Hanssen with its
privatized assets being liquidated to the Chicago Mob and laundered through
the Bank of New York (5 Madoff accounts at BNY Mellon and JP Morgan were used
to launder proceeds of crime; not a Ponzi).

“Russian organized crime may have been involved in skimming International
Monetary Fund (IMF) loans and other foreign economic aid to Russia, the Wall
Street Journal reported on August 25. Altogether, as much as $10 billion was
allegedly laundered through the bank, the 16th largest asset-holding bank in
the United States”

Our agents tell us that Putin is going to stick the AGW scam to Obamabi so
hard his ears’ll go white.

captainsherlock on Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:53 am

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This is all extremely interesting. I think it raises much more fundamental
questions than the end of AGW theory. I think we could be witnessing the
beginning of the end of the UN itself, that bloated, dysfunctional and corrupt
bureaucracy, rife with nepotism. Apparently Chavez and Mugabe received an
ecstatic welcome at the conference.

drrosstaylor on Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:58 am

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Thought you might like to know where the US government’s funding for
climate research originates. On perusing this site, you might find that one’s
everyday conspiracy theorist website is quite tame by comparison to the
reality of this:

http://www.science.doe.gov/ober/ERSD/ersphome.html

Actually, Dr. Strangelove was a quiet, sensible and mild-mannered person
compared to those who actually are at the helm of the S.S. (as in
Schutzstaffel) Clitanic.

I also don’t think the Gilligan’s Island theme is appropriate. This is more
in tune with the trustafarian-dreadlocked crew members’ tastes and
predilections:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bwEy8BQBfk

Walt
OBrien on Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:58 am

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I strongly recommend that the automated trollers unplug their machines;
accessory before the fact of genocide is going to put a lot of people on Death
Row.

Note CDP investor AXA is trading in dead-peasant life insurance through
famines e.g. Ethiopia.

AXA did the same for the Twin Towers massacre – Google Expedite 787 AXA to
find out where they picked up the death certificates given the bodies had been
vaporized with fuel air bombs.

Then check out Maurice Strong and Al Gore Moltem Metals to find out how
they got so hot on 9/11.

“WFP has announced that AXA Re has been awarded the world’s first insurance
contract for humanitarian emergencies. WFP has announced that AXA Re has been
awarded the world’s first insurance contract for humanitarian emergencies.
This contract heralds the beginning of what may be an entirely new way of
financing natural disaster aid Richard Wilcox, Director of Business Planning
at WFP The contract provides US$7 million in contingency funding in a pilot
scheme to provide coverage in the case of an extreme drought during Ethiopia’s
2006 agricultural season. “So much of our work is like triage – doing our best
to save lives after a drought or other disaster has already done its damage.
Today we need to feed six million people across the Horn of Africa who are
already losing their life savings as drought claims their cattle and crops,”
said James T. Morris, Executive Director of WFP. Insuring against destitution
“The humanitarian emergency insurance contract might, in the future, offer us
a way of insuring against these massive losses before they spell destitution
for millions of families,” said Morris. “As a worldwide leader in Financial
Protection and one of the pioneers of weather cover through its subsidiary AXA
RE, AXA is happy to provide its financial expertise in implementing this
innovative coverage,” said Hans-Peter Gerhardt, CEO of AXA RE. “This is the
first time that an insurance cover transferring risk to financial players is
used for protecting people against the consequences of extreme drought. “We
are proud that our business can contribute to the struggle against the
devastation caused by natural disasters in developing countries,” said
Gerhardt. Natural distaster aid “This contract heralds the beginning of what
may be an entirely new way of financing natural disaster aid,” said Richard
Wilcox, Director of Business Planning at WFP. “With this pilot, developed
together with the World Bank Commodity Risk Management Group, we are testing
whether it is possible to insure against the devastation caused by extreme
drought.” The policy, a derivative based upon a calibrated index of rainfall
data gathered from 26 weather stations across Ethiopia, takes advantage of
financial and technical innovations in the weather risk market. Predicting
crop failure Payment will be triggered when data gathered over a period from
March to October 2006 indicates that rainfall is significantly below historic
averages, pointing to the likelihood of widespread crop failure. While the
experimental pilot transaction only provides a small amount of contingency
funding, the model has been designed on the basis of the potential losses that
17 million poor Ethiopian farmers risk should an extreme drought arise. The
policy complements recent UN moves towards greater effectiveness through the
creation of an emergency fund which could provide fast injections of cash to
aid operations in the first few days after disaster strikes. Fast unfolding
disaster “Some disasters – especially conflict and displacement – are harder
to predict and faster to unfold, so we will continue to need untied
contingency funds. Risks such as drought, however, can also be managed
effectively under the type of contract we have just signed with AXA Re,”
explained Wilcox. Transferring weather risks from poor countries like Ethiopia
into the international risk market on a larger scale would allow insurers to
diversify their portfolios. This diversification could help stem the rising
cost of weather-related insurance in developed countries while providing more
effective financial protection to developing countries. “Bold move” “The
portfolio effect of bringing emergency aid into the international risk markets
is a win-win for developed and developing countries,” said Robert Shiller,
Professor of Financial Economics at Yale University and author of ‘The New
Financial Order: Risk in the 21st Century’. “With this deal, WFP is making a
bold move towards more equitable and effective international risk management.”
The Governments of the United States and Ethiopia have supported this project.
A better future Additionally, private sector advisors of Weil, Gotshal and
Manges LLP and MDA Federal (EarthSat) have made valuable contributions to the
project. “We have shown that the reinsurance sector can have an important role
to play in effective financing for responses to natural disasters in
developing countries. Now the industry itself should take up the challenge to
provide effective products to developing countries and the aid community.
Together we can build this innovation into a better future especially for the
220 million poor farmers at risk of drought in sub-Saharan Africa,” said
Wilcox.”

See if thecultsings can get its Kelloggic rules of response wrapped around
a death sentence for the guy who programmed it.

captainsherlock on Dec 17th, 2009 at 4:04 am

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captain s:

i’ve just caught (well the dumbass hardly tried to conceal it) some proAGW
douche in a teeny tiny conflict of interest on the beeb blogs. any thoughts on
this company or their products please:

http://www.pi-shurlok.com/Web/Content/Content.aspx?PageID=52

cheers

christopherm on Dec 17th, 2009 at 4:14 am

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Hmmm.Cunning people the Russians. When you download the original text of
the report, a worm invades the hard drive, deleting all your e-mails with
references to the weather. I sent one to my Nan, telling her of the snow and
the next minute the whole screen just went white!

terry2 on Dec
17th, 2009 at 4:20 am

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Sometimes, I get the impression that CaptainSherlock is also a computer
program.

Australia Broadcast Corp (ABC/Reuters) report that Chinese have declared
Copenhagen a failure

sonofapigandamonkey on Dec 17th, 2009 at 4:59
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Sean Higgins Sean Higgins – Fri Dec 4, 7:01 pm ET
Hot air and
high-minded speeches might be the most obvious emissions from the Copenhagen
climate talks, skeptics say. But behind the scenes Russia will play an old
card from communism’s fall that could tip the odds even higher against ever
meeting the summit’s goals.
Russia’s greenhouse gas emissions plunged in
the 1990s as its economy collapsed. Moscow now sits on a potential treasure
trove of unused carbon emission permits it could sell to other
countries.
Those permits expire in 2012 along with the original Kyoto
Treaty. Russia has signaled that it wants them rolled forward if it is going
to sign on to any new agreement.
“They would have a very substantial
influence on the carbon market,” said Pat Michaels, senior fellow at the free
market Cato Institute. “They would be the Saudi Arabia of carbon
credits.”
That creates a quandary for those seeking a treaty.
“Having
all of those credits out there would allow other countries to purchase them
and then not reduce their emissions,” said Samuel Charap, a Russia scholar
with the Center for American Progress. “So it undermines the whole purpose of
the (Copenhagen) discussion.”

But if other nations don’t let Russia keep its emission permits, it could
reject any deal. Despite its emissions decline, Russia is still the world’s
No. 3 emitter and uses a lot of energy for its economic output. Then-President
Vladimir Putin’s signature was key to ratifying the 1997 Kyoto treaty.

Charap dubs it the “neglected challenge” of the summit.

He adds that Russia’s credits have inhibited the creation of a global
carbon cap-and-trade market. People fear Russia could suddenly flood the
market with its permits.

Many don’t want Russia to get its way, but Eileen Claussen, president of
the Pew Center on Global Climate Change, says it has a legitimate claim that
will have to be resolved before any treaty.

“If you start saying, ‘Well, if it is really your economy that is going
down, then your emissions reductions don’t count,’ then I think you get on a
slippery slope you don’t want to be on,” Claussen said.

Any reduction should count, she said. Nations are not going to sign up for
wrenching economic changes if recession-driven emissions cuts are
excluded.

A final climate deal is unlikely at Copenhagen, Claussen notes. The Russia
issue likely will carry over to next year’s Mexico City talks.
The old
Soviet Union had a huge, energy-intensive industrial base. After the USSR
collapsed in 1991, so did Russia’s economy. Across the vast country
smoke-belching factories were idled. As of 2007, emissions were 34% below the
1990 level, the Kyoto treaty benchmark. Full story at,
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20091205/bs_ibd_ibd/20091204general

AcePilot101
on Dec 17th, 2009 at 5:05 am

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sonofapigandamo…
i concur.
that is one of the reasons i asked his
opinion

no offence he whom might be mr. hawkins

christopherm on Dec 17th, 2009 at 5:06 am

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sonofapigandamo…
its not a duplicate comment DT. play fair now ya damn
autolaming mods.

i agree although he has touched on some relevant stuff re ccx etc

that is also one of the reasons i asked his opinion

no offence he whom might be mr. hawkins

i watched your youtube vid and obviously if you’ve got a youtube vid then
you’re straight up, no doubt

christopherm on Dec 17th, 2009 at 5:09 am

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christopherm – some proAGW douche in conflict of interest on beeb blogs.
any thoughts on this company or their products please: http://www.pi-shurlok.com/Web/Content/Content.aspx?PageID=52

May be a long shot but they modified Henri Paul’s BMW before the air bags
deployed before it hit the pillar in the Alma Tunnel (I know it well from my
days troubleshooting (?) for Schlumberger in Paris).

Monsieur Paul had high CO2 in his blood therefore he was alive during
deployment of the air bag.

Bright white flash suggests ignition of munition, and the murder of
Princess Di, via Becker (?) wireless command links, looks like a classic FC-KU
crime scene run out of Chicago where the victims have violated Obambi’s 350
cap-and-kill rule in Weathergate.

“1993 Acquired Shurlok, a company specialising in electronic vehicle
security products. Shurlok became such a well known brand name, in the local
and export markets (both aftermarket and OEM) that by 1999 the Company was
generally referred to as Shurlok. 1993 Awarded BMW VDA6 A rating. This coupled
with the ISO9001 achieved in 1990 enabled Shurlok to become a major exporter
of electronic automotive systems. 1991 Installed a fully automated SMD
production line and received first contract manufacturing agreement – to
produce Becker radios for BMW and Mercedes Benz.”

captainsherlock on Dec 17th, 2009 at 5:13 am

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ta for the ruminatory materia either way sir.

a comment from the beeb blogs i had to QFT at the time:

‘So if there are any working Joes and Janes out there, god help us, because
it looks like no one else will.’

peace out

christopherm on Dec 17th, 2009 at 5:20 am

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ok capnS/anyone else: how about this prick, any thoughts:

http://www.johnkazer.com/

he is:

Carbon Footprint Certification Manager at The Carbon Trust [lol]

and was educated at:

* University of East Anglia [lol]
* The University of Sheffield
* The
University of Edinburgh

* The University of Sheffield

having previously worked for pi-shurlok.

he’s been ranting about the precautionary principle (pns bollox to my mind)
and risk assessment for days now over at dicky blacks place. can’t believe
someone is his position wouldn’t post under a nom de plume!

christopherm on Dec 17th, 2009 at 5:30 am

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AcePilot101 @5:05 am

Could you clarify your own thoughts on the material you posted. Does it
mean Russia has a price and its cooperation can be obtained? That was my first
thought also, but I rejected it. How do they reverse themselves? Do they find
new, uncorrupted and complete data that turns out to show AGW? Or will the MSM
not report this, and once Russia gets its price, world leaders will pretend it
never happened? The latter is not impossible.

msher1 on Dec
17th, 2009 at 5:40 am

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AcePilot101 @5:05 am

Could you clarify your own thoughts on the material you posted. Does it
mean Russia has a price and its cooperation can be obtained? That was my first
thought also, but I rejected it. How do they reverse themselves? Do they find
new, uncorrupted and complete data that turns out to show AGW? Or will the MSM
not report this, and once Russia gets its price, world leaders will pretend it
never happened? The latter is not impossible.

msher1 on Dec
17th, 2009 at 5:40 am

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Re Di chauffer Paul – Carbon monoxide but same principal of a Weathergate
contract hit.

Victims trigger violation of CO2e 350 cap rule and in a sense, they die for
the AGW cult(sings).

The Weathergate killers than take ownership of the FC-KU (Femme Comp Inc –
Ku-band to backhaul snuff film to Chicago as in 9/11) crime scene.

Weathergate murder for hire is based on a globally binding law where
everyone pays for the right to exhale at 40,000 ppm and violate the 350 cap or
accept they might be terminated for the greater good of the cult.

captainsherlock on Dec 17th, 2009 at 5:42 am

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So they perhaps steer the BMW remotely (no skid marks but yaw marks)
through the Becker; trigger the CO@ rule violation, knock them out with the
monoxide and makes sure she dies as a vanishing witness.

captainsherlock on Dec 17th, 2009 at 5:49 am

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Hmm. I read in the Yale Project on Climate Change and the George Mason
University Center for Climate Change Communication, that 11% of Americans are
doubtful of AGW and 7% are dismissive. It appears all of them have found their
way to the Telegraph blogs! Hands up anybody who has followed a link from a
conservative new site in the US?

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/05/pdf/6americas.pdf

Its clear that this whole topic has become politicised to death. Most
interesting of all is the profiling of the dismissives (page 77). They are
found to be

“mostly conservative Republicans and typically male. They are politically
active and
hold traditional religious beliefs. They strongly endorse
individualistic values, opposing any form of
government intervention, and
are very unlikely to be environmentalists.”

hey also

“have a specialized media diet, with higher than average preference for
sources that
reflect their political point of view. While they are large
consumers of political news, they do not
trust most sources of information
on global warming, including the mainstream news media, and
they are more
likely than average to turn to conservative news commentators and the
Internet.”

Anybody recognise themselves there? We know that Big Oil and King Coal has
been bankrolling lobbyists and bloggers to muddy the waters to cast doubt on
the science in a bid to energise support amongst political “activists”
(believe me your activism is every bit as real as the demonstrators on the
streets of Copenhagen) and the commenst on this page demonstarte how success
they have been.

You’re being used guys

Peace & love

The BNP Wants to Steal My
Passport on Dec 17th, 2009 at 6:52 am

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The methodology of temperature gathering is critically flawed.
Every
last temperature gathering station located in an urban environment will be
showing a rising trend. Matched ones in rural locations will be showing NO
upward trend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_G_-SdAN04&feature=player_embedded

Clever lad.

bedfordfalls on Dec 17th, 2009 at 7:51 am

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For the BNP etc:

“We know that Big Oil and King Coal has been bankrolling lobbyists and
bloggers to muddy the waters”

We know that some people will pump out any old unproven, dodgy propaganda
to further their warmist agenda.
Manmade CO2 has NO effect on global
temperature.

bedfordfalls on Dec 17th, 2009 at 8:02 am

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“he’s been ranting about the precautionary principle”

Anyone talks to me about the precautionary principle and I’d ask them why
they don’t wear a suit of armour every time they go out to protect themselves
against falling airliners? “Oh” they might say “But the risk is remote, it’d
ruin my life, and your proposed remedy wouldn’t do me any good if it happened,
anyway.”

“Exactly so”, I say. “But what was it you were you saying about the
precautionary principle…?”

Heidi
Deklein on Dec 17th, 2009 at 8:21 am

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@Son of Boso, 9.04 pm 16 Dec

In the early nineties Andrew Neil, the then Editor of The Sunday Times, and
a brilliant truth seeking grammar school educated working class chap in the
mould of his equally brilliant and fearless forerunner, Harold Evans, who made
the Sunday Times the dominant force it became at that time, let rip with a
full front page, and half of the rest of the paper, dedicated to showing that
there is no HIV virus and that AIDS is not caused by any one organism, but is
a multi-organism / multi drug lifestyle disease. He deemed that the truth just
had to be told, that debate just could not be stifled, as the lie was
adversely affecting the lives of millions of people, including, according to
his book, our very own James Delingpole.

This revelation by Neil was absolutely against the Party line and Andrew
Neil, investigative journalistic star of his generation, was by the next issue
forced into an abject apology shortly followed by his resignation and dispatch
into the outer darkness of Society and journalism.

Booker and Delingpole inside the paper and on the net don’t matter, and
bloggers definitely don’t, but public opinion does, and the front pages of the
major newspapers is public opinion on any subject that isn’t just grass roots
commonsense.

All big lies are based in evil and cause evil, and the upshot of the HIV /
AIDS lie is that millions of black babies are getting pumped full of toxic
drugs that do nothing, except harm their immune systems, as Mkebi said, when
he refused to do it, until the Party reeled him in.

And so it goes on, until I am reduced to seeing the leader of the racially
tainted and unlovely BNP telling the truth on global warming whilst the rest
of our so called mainstream leaders peddle us lies to control us.

And we won’t stop it. Only the Party can stop it, and they will only stop
it if they judge it to be in the Party’s interests to stop it.

David
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Surely it would be possible to take the weather stations from accross the
whole planet that have good, uninterupted records at a fixed location that are
far enough from urban settlements to avoid the need to “adjust”.

There should be plenty of stations accross the workd to give a large enough
sample set to ameliorate errant stations. Is this not a job for “Watts up with
that” or other blog/researcher/journalist?

Rare Breed
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@Rare Breed on Dec 17th, 2009 at 9:32 am
You might enjoy the following
piece on measurement practices.
“How Not To Create A Historic Global Temp
Index” at
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/11824

aurelian on
Dec 17th, 2009 at 10:05 am

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jetxnet, my browser security reports malware on that link.

coltek on Dec
17th, 2009 at 10:16 am

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Here we Friggin GO!

UK to censor internet
Thursday, December 17, 2009 – 12:27

The Internet is really the last form of true freedom of speech in the world
and especially many places where tyrants rule and freedom of speech is usually
banned or when someone does speak out in their country they get persecuted or
killed.

China, the worlds biggest and most famous hater of free speech is now
followed by Australia but it does not just stop there. Plans are in place that
the UK is next, they are the next country where dictatorship style laws will
be in place soon, actually that already happened, this time we are talking
about the internet. Soon they will filter the internet in the UK as well.

http://fto.co.za/news/uk-censor-internet-2009121716041.html

theunbrainwashed on Dec 17th, 2009 at 10:45 am

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With all this talk of Big Oil and Big Coal backing the anti-AGW bloggers,
where’s my share?

having given thought to this Russian contribution to the argument, I am
inclined to think that this really does settle the matter. After all, the
Ruskis wouldn’t want anyone other than themselves ruling the world.Even
commies will fight amongst themselves when it comes to big games like
this.

Re- Turin Duckham, why does the DT not put those squiggly letters and
figures (can’t remember the name for it) before each post is allowed?

Or better still, why encourage it by acknowledging it is there?

owdal80 on Dec
17th, 2009 at 10:48 am

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As previously reported, for the most part the mass media has been deathly
silent regarding the implications of the East Anglia’s actions (BBC stand up).

Putting Climate Change to one side for a second, what does this say about
the integrity of science? The intelligensia have always considered themselves
as being in a better position to drive Humanity, as they rely on scientific
reasoning, as opposed to impirical, religious or superstitious rational.

Control, test, measure, report. I’m sure the realists out there appreciate
there will be a little bit of statistical massage to emphasise the key points
of a study, but the evidence flowing out of UEA would indicate behaviour far
exceeding a little bias. Bullying/Exclusion of peers and graph fabrication
spring to the mind (the infamous hockey stick).

Climate change aside, this behaviour is scandalous, and has no doubt called
into question the scientific integrity of the Country. The continuing silence
from the UK and most of the World (present company excluded of course) is a
passive endorsement of “it’s ok to fudge the figures if it gets the message
across”.

1984 here we come.

spodgy on Dec
17th, 2009 at 10:49 am

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UK to censor internet
Thursday, December 17, 2009 – 12:27

The Internet is really the last form of true freedom of speech in the world
and especially many places where tyrants rule and freedom of speech is usually
banned or when someone does speak out in their country they get persecuted or
killed.

China, the worlds biggest and most famous hater of free speech is now
followed by Australia but it does not just stop there. Plans are in place that
the UK is next, they are the next country where dictatorship style laws will
be in place soon, actually that already happened, this time we are talking
about the internet. Soon they will filter the internet in the UK as well.

http://fto.co.za/news/uk-censor-internet-2009121716041.html

theunbrainwashed on Dec 17th, 2009 at 11:04 am

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“As previously reported, for the most part the mass media has been deathly
silent regarding the implications of the East Anglia’s actions (BBC stand
up).”

The front page of the Daily Express today is covered with this
story.

bedfordfalls on Dec 17th, 2009 at 11:13 am

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This is similar to the saturated fat makes for heart disease theory. The
original study cherry-picked the regions that substantiated the theory, as was
later discovered. Now 50 years later and we are no nearer a cure I would
imagine because the original theory has significantly retarded progress with
help from the American Heart Association who prematurely gave that bogus study
it’s blessing. this is the danger of authorities taking sides: a true leader
keeps a distance from dodgy sources of facts like science. At least now the
distinction has been found between hydrongenated saturated fats (marge) and
natural saturated fats (butter) that has had our doctors change their
advice.

Will it be 50 years before the truth of climate change (previously ‘global
warming’) is established? With the changes proposed to our behaviour it will
be impossible to know. Until this matter is actually proven, while so far it
is simply a consensus opinion with significant dissent, no action should be
taken else we will make discovery of the truth impossible.

GregL on Dec
17th, 2009 at 11:24 am

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Let’s face it, the Russians never believed in global warming in the first
place. Putin persistently refused to sign up to the Kyoto Protocols because
his scientists reckoned the whole thing ws a load of hokum. He only did sign
up eventually because the eu promised to support Russia’s membership of the
WTO.

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if, now they have what they wanted, the
Russians didn’t start to disassociate themselves from something they
undoubtedly still consider to be complete and utter bollox.

The
Remittance Man on Dec 17th, 2009 at 12:13 pm

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MOSCOW – A Russian presidential adviser is insisting that a new global
climate change deal should take into account Russia’s low greenhouse emissions
in past years.
Alexander Bedritsky says Russia already has met the Kyoto
protocol’s goal to lower greenhouse emissions to 1990 levels by 2012.
He
said at a briefing Friday that Russia wants to have some kind of reward in a
Kyoto succesor deal that would give it a greater freedom in greenhouse
emissions in return for meeting the Kyoto obligations early.
Bedritsky said
that Russia is emitting 34 per cent less than in 1990.
He expressed doubt
that a legally binding agreement will be reached during the Copenhagen
talks.

AcePilot101
on Dec 17th, 2009 at 1:00 pm

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A Russian presidential adviser is insisting that a new global climate
change deal should take into account Russia’s low greenhouse emissions in past
years (CBC).
Alexander Bedritsky says Russia already has met the Kyoto
protocol’s goal to lower greenhouse emissions to 1990 levels by 2012.
He
said at a briefing Friday that Russia wants to have some kind of reward in a
Kyoto succesor deal that would give it a greater freedom in greenhouse
emissions in return for meeting the Kyoto obligations early.
Bedritsky said
that Russia is emitting 34 per cent less than in 1990.
He expressed doubt
that a legally binding agreement will be reached during the Copenhagen
talks.

AcePilot101
on Dec 17th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

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The sun is quiet.
It has been quiet for a number of years now.
The
earth is slowly cooling, as usual.
This winter will be a BRUTE.
Tonight,
8″ to 10″ of snow will fall here in the South East of England, a genuine
rarity.
The winter of 2010-2011 will be even colder.
The Meteorological
Office and its warmist “scientists” should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves
for their criminal deception.

bedfordfalls on Dec 17th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

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Ah bless – James is Numero Uno on ‘most read’ AGAIN.

Perhaps someone upstairs will notice that you’re onto something rather
important

Well done Sir.

PlatoSays on Dec 17th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

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bedfordfalls on Dec 17th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

Here Here!

Did you see the Hailstones?!

theunbrainwashed on Dec 17th, 2009 at 2:26 pm

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Link here to Protest against Government Internet Censorship

http://www.dontdisconnect.us/

theunbrainwashed on Dec 17th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

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Good work again James.

However, when are you going to propose the UK government begins criminal
proceedings against these serial fraudsters? only thing is it could be a
trifle inconvenient, given the UK ‘class politic’ – Tory, New lab and Lib
Dems, is up to its collective necks in this fraud as well.

Mass data fraud, mass manipulation, deliberate deletion of publicly funded
data. How many are involved? How many ‘looked the other way’?

Go get em, James.

cheshirered
on Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

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But how will Phil Jones and his acolytes get their nice fat pensions and
honours if the Russian evidence is true. Couldn’t they have waited till after
the conference before revealing that we are being hoodwinked? Global warmist
need to stick together – there are a lot of careers riding on it.

Kerry4ever
on Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

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Even if all the correct FACTS are eventually divulged – don’t forget that
the ‘1st Law of Spin’ will still apply:

“The liklihood of a re-think is inversely proportional to the cumulative
spend.”

anzon on Dec
17th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

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For The Unbrainwashed:

“Did you see the Hailstones?!”

No hailstones, but from my office window looking North I can see the line
of the Downs and there are some very, very dark clouds
approaching.
Tomorrow will look very festive when we wake up.

bedfordfalls on Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

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Meanwhile, over in Copenhagen the scoundrels of the world are still telling
each other that the Emperor is wearing very, very fine clothes.
I watched
John Prescott on the lunchtime news, spouting warmist drivel. He made me want
to puke.
But then he always has that effect on me.

bedfordfalls on Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

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Russia has every right to be concerned about losing it’s carbon credits in
2012. If George Soros and Al Gore can profit from carbon credits, why can’t
they?

AcePilot101
on Dec 17th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

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AcePilot101 on Dec 17th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

NO ONE SHOULD PROFIT FROM BREATHING!

bedfordfalls on Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

The reason I ask is that there is a Band near me who share your
monika!

theunbrainwashed on Dec 17th, 2009 at 4:15 pm

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Article here in the Daily Mail asks if these are pictures of the lost
Atlantis – interesting story depending what you know about it- esoteric or
otherwise – of course it brings into discussion the concept of disaster on a
scale that can submerge a continent – the esoteric view is that there were 3
submersions – the first one being 800,000 years ago and due to precession –
interestingly I once read a science article in the Times on precession that
calculated that the last time a serious movement occured was something in the
region of 700,000 years ago. Those of you acquainted with Plato probably know
the figure of 9000 years for Atlantis – it is said that this is a disguised
figure by Plato as he would not have been allowed to reveal the real figure…
The last deluge of what was left of Atlantis would have been about 10,000
years ago but it was not the biggest deluge. Might seem off topic – I mention
it as an example of lands being submerged without the help of 4/4s and jumbo
jets – it’s something that’s happened before and could happen again – please
note Tuvalu and Maldives. Of course anyone who’s acquainted with The Secret
Doctrine by H P Blavatsky written in 1888 will be aware that in one of the
chapters she says something like – “there has always been climate change and
man will blame it on this that and the other when the real reason is
precession…” Interesting to see how long after she wrote about this so many
have taken up the idea.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1236651/Is-lost-city-Atlantis-Grainy-images-released-showing-city-like-structures-beneath-Caribbean-Sea.html

yaosxx on Dec
17th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

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How do you say “Schadenfreude” in Russian?

sonofapigandamonkey on Dec 17th, 2009 at 5:08
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yaosxx on Dec 17th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

Interesting stuff. That Cuban thingy has been around for a while BUT! I
think it is actually at The Azores.

theunbrainwashed on Dec 17th, 2009 at 5:27 pm

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The “Greatest Scam in Human History” continues to unravel, bit by
bit.

danram on Dec
17th, 2009 at 5:28 pm

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yaosxx on Dec 17th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

ps There is ALSO this Japanese underwater city

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIu2rA0yd9s

theunbrainwashed on Dec 17th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

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What a crazy mixed up world when the commies are the defenders of Truth;
while Obama & Gore CONTINUE to sell their snake oil to a gullible
population, and leaders who are in this game to line their own pockets.

As one comedian (Jon Stewart, Daily Show) said: “Poor Al Gore. Global
warming completely debunked via the very Internet you invented. OH, OH the
irony.”

I want all these scientists to either admit their data is fake, or to go on
trial for theft of public funds.

johnbanner
on Dec 17th, 2009 at 5:32 pm

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theunbrainwashed – the Cuban thingy has been around for a while because
they haven’t had the money to pursue it – though apparently a robot craft has
finally explored they area though they are still being rather secretive about
the pictures they have. The Azores of course are a remnant – apparently when
they were first discovered the people there had a a fear of the sea and no
boats – so how did they get there…?

yaosxx on Dec
17th, 2009 at 5:35 pm

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yaosxx on Dec 17th, 2009 at 5:35 pm

GOOD QUESTION!

Our TRUE history, has been hidden from us, and we’ve been spun a merry web.
What a surprise!

I think We, as a race, have been at this point before.

Call it intuition.

theunbrainwashed on Dec 17th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

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theunbrainwashed – Yes Yonaguni – I’m aware of that too – that was
connected to what is called Lemuria – the continent that once existed in the
Pacific – if nothing else it helps explain why there are Lemurs in Madagascar
and India, only. Interestingly, Lemuria was said to have submerged due to
“underwater ructions” – the Ring of fire volcanoes in the Pacific were only
recently discovered in the 1960s – so the statement made long before that
seems to stand.

yaosxx on Dec
17th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

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Quaff this hefty shot of Druid’s Fluid from a replica of the Piltdown Skull
; while, wrapped in the Turin Shroud, I sing a few stanzas of the fake poems
of Ossian.

Set to music by Lloyd Webber ; inpsired by one of Van Meegeren’s fake
pictures.

Ariel on Dec
17th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

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yaosxx on Dec 17th, 2009 at 5:35 pm

GOOD QUESTION!

theunbrainwashed on Dec 17th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

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“Set to music by Lloyd Webber”

Or do you mean Puccini, Ariel?

bedfordfalls on Dec 17th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

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It may be a silly question, but is Will Heaven an entitled Cast Iron Daver,
eh readers?

Wilbur on Dec
17th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

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Now it’s Super Serial!

With the clock ticking and into the final 24 hours….

theunbrainwashed on Dec 17th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

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Catweazle “we don’t have the chance of comparing the “homogenised”/”value
added” data, because Jones and his bunch have conveniently lost/stolen/deleted
it.”

Really? How, then, did the Russian IEA draw their conclusions about cru
cherrypicking? Are you saying they it all up?

thecultsings on Dec 17th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

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that’s ‘made it all up’, soz.

thecultsings on Dec 17th, 2009 at 7:04 pm

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“Will Heaven”

This little warmist angel’s real surname is Evan. Indeed and to
goodness.

bedfordfalls on Dec 17th, 2009 at 7:15 pm

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Thousands of Scientists with integrity make a stand against the “man-made
global warming” conspiracy – 31,486 American scientists have signed a
petition, including 9,029 with Ph.D’s.

Signatories to the petition are required to have formal training in the
analysis of information in physical science. This includes primarily those
with BS, MS, or Ph.D. degrees in science, engineering, or related disciplines.

Bet your life all were excluded from any debate as labelled “deniers”!

http://www.petitionproject.org/

neptune2 on
Dec 17th, 2009 at 7:52 pm

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@johnbanner: “What a crazy mixed up world when the commies are the
defenders of Truth; while Obama & Gore CONTINUE to sell their snake oil to
a gullible population, and leaders who are in this game to line their own
pockets.”

Well said and can I just add our own Conservative Party to the list please?
As represented by Boris over there with his new mates in Copenhagen, and of
course the greener than green, windmill on roof, car travelling behind
bicycle, boy called Dave, reassuring the congregation at home that it will
take more than incontrovertible evidence of corruption of the science to shake
his green faith, while he remains as committed to taxing us to the hilt,
abiding by the EU and UN injunctions to the letter and surrendering our
sovereignty as ever he was.

sean on Dec 17th,
2009 at 7:56 pm

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@neptune: “This includes primarily those with BS, MS, or Ph.D. degrees in
science, engineering, or related disciplines.”

You mean BSc and MSc of course. We’ve all got degrees in BS, that’s a human
birth right. Those with a surfeit of natural BS often find a career in
politics. Copenhagen’s full of them at this time. London is at all
times.

sean on Dec 17th,
2009 at 8:07 pm

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er…hang on a minute.

If we go to the original IEA report http://www.iea.ru/article/kioto_order/15.12.2009.pdf
p 19
there is a graph of the two datasets. The reduced set reads cooler than the
full set until 1960, and then there is very good agreement between the full
and the reduced set, with an insignificant tendency to read warmer in the
latter years.

Also, the Met Office says that the surface temperature readings from the
HADCRUT data actually are cooler compared to satellite estimations.

So, no story really. Still, you should be able to get the Daily Express to
do a front page on it.

docrichard on Dec 17th, 2009 at 8:32 pm

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And, now the lawyers are moving in on the fraud:-

http://ilovecarbondioxide.com/2009/12/climategate-lawyers-move-in-those.html

Let’s hope they really get stuck into these fraudster, especially
billionaire Al Gore (the man u may remember who forced a schoolchild to put an
‘e’ on the end of the word potato – insisting it was spelt ‘potatoe’!!)

@Sean, Yes there is plenty of BS associated with all this – BS was what
they used on the site, but I am sure they meant meaningful degrees!

http://www.petitionproject.org/

neptune2 on
Dec 17th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

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Great image on the UK television news this evening.
We saw Gordon Brown
and Al Gore, chests puffed up, walking down a Copenhagen corridor, pretending
to be Alpha Males.
They turn purposefully and importantly into a
room.
Out they come a few moments later.
It’s a broom
cupboard.

bedfordfalls on Dec 17th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

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Wow the nutcase contingent is out in full force tonight.

locka99 on Dec
17th, 2009 at 10:19 pm

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bedfordfalls on Dec 17th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

SEE! Gods doin Her BEST!

Man I thought you were extracting the Michael! FFS!

An Inconvenient Turn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILgxymujGKE

theunbrainwashed on Dec 18th, 2009 at 12:41 am

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“Al Gore (the man u may remember who forced a schoolchild to put an ‘e’ on
the end of the word potato ”
neptune2 – wasn’t that Dan Quayle? (Or ‘Quayl’
as I expect he spelt it.)

JohnT on Dec
18th, 2009 at 1:52 am

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Its clear from reading the comments on this thread that scepticism of
climate change is politically driven, and that is the most interesting part of
this this whole debate(?). Up until the mid-70s it was left of centre politics
that was ideological – collectivist and intolerant of dissent. Slowly since
then the whole axis of political debate has switched to the point where
right-wing politics is consumed by its ideology – individualist, tribal and
absolutely intolerant of opposing opinion.

Its fascinating to watch in its own way – like a gang of kids goading each
other into ever more outrageous behaviour. But somebody is manipulating the
game, trying to sway the outcome the way they want it to go. I just wish there
was more all round scepticism.

I hope you all are right, for all our sakes. Its common amongst the
majority of climatologists to suggest that the Earth has a 50% chance of
warming catastrophically within the next 30 years (eminent men who have more
doubt about their predictions than the armchair experts who write on
right-wing blogs like this one). Again I hope you all are right.

Peace & love.

The BNP Wants to Steal My
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James,

Just how stupid does Louisa Gray and that other dufus think people are? The
DT can report that the UN’s “secret” fears of a global oven and subsequent
inundation have been “leaked” the day before the clown show in Copenhagen is
due to wrap up.

Well, I suppose for the warmenistas, we know how stupid they are, and we
can’t blame Louisa and the other liar for for plumbing the depths of their
gullibility.

sonofapigandamonkey on Dec 18th, 2009 at 2:05
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The BNP Wants to Steal My Passport on Dec 18th, 2009 at 1:59 am

“Its clear from reading the comments on this thread that scepticism of
climate change is politically driven”

That’s because you don’t understand the science, BNP.

In fact you don’t understand the politics, either.

“Its common amongst the majority of climatologists to suggest that the
Earth has a 50% chance of warming catastrophically within the next 30
years”

No it isn’t.

Catweazle on
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OK Cat (love the name btw) – so what is your estimation (in percentage
terms) that the Earth will experience catastrophic warming within the next 50
years? And (if possible) what is your methodology.

Peace & love

The BNP Wants to Steal My
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In support of my earlier statement (that it’s common amongst the majority
of climatologists to suggest that the Earth has a 50% chance of warming
catastrophically within the next 30 years ) here’s a quote from an article in
the Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/17/un-leaked-report-copenhagen-3c

“Bob Ward, at the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change at the
London School of Economics, said current ambitions could still be consistent
with a 50% chance of meeting the 2C target. ‘But it would require steeper
reductions after 2020, which are likely to be more costly, to be well below 35
billion tonnes in 2030 and well below 20 billion tonnes in 2050.’”

That was just from surfing for a couple of minutes. There are many more
such estimations. And that’s all they are, eatimations. Again, what’s
yours?

The BNP Wants to Steal My
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In support of my earlier statement (that it’s common amongst the majority
of climatologists to suggest that the Earth has a 50% chance of warming
catastrophically within the next 30 years ) here’s a quote from an article in
the Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/17/un-leaked-report-copenhagen-3c

“Bob Ward, at the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change at the
London School of Economics, said current ambitions could still be consistent
with a 50% chance of meeting the 2C target. ‘But it would require steeper
reductions after 2020, which are likely to be more costly, to be well below 35
billion tonnes in 2030 and well below 20 billion tonnes in 2050.’”

That was just from surfing for a couple of minutes. There are many more
such estimations. And that’s all they are, estimations. Again, what’s
yours?

The BNP Wants to Steal My
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BNP you stupid twat,

Bob Ward is an “economist” at the LSE, not a climatologist. and he gets his
palms greased by the great global warming fraud. so what would you expect him
to say?

love and peace, and a good case of the clap, to you

sonofapigandamonkey on Dec 18th, 2009 at 4:04
am

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“An Inconvenient Turn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILgxymujGKE”

And just LOOK at the way Al Gore walks – so smug, so puffed-up, so
self-important, so pompous, so DON’T YOU DARE TITTER THAT WE WALKED INTO A
BROOM CUPBOARD.

bedfordfalls on Dec 18th, 2009 at 7:08 am

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sonofapigandamonkey on Dec 18th, 2009 at 4:04 am

“BNP you stupid twat,

Bob Ward is an “economist” at the LSE, not a climatologist. and he gets his
palms greased by the great global warming fraud. so what would you expect him
to say?

love and peace, and a good case of the clap, to you”

All good knockabout stuff S, but I think you’ll find Mr Ward is the
Institutes Press Spokesman – its his job to communicate between it and
journalists. As its mouthpiece it’s his job to communicate the Institute’s
findings to the outside world.

Returning to my main theme – nobody has given me an estimation as to what
percentage chance there is that mankind will suffer catastrophic warming
within the next 30 years, partly due to human activity. Why? The Cat got your
tongue?

Peace & love

The BNP Wants to Steal My
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In answer to the one with the endangered passport:

There is a 60% (best) chance of weather forecasters being right (within a
degree or two)for 3 days ahead with the days max temp.

Now consider a climate model driven, not by scientific correctness but by
the political correctness of those advocates of catastrophic AGW predicting
temperatures worldwide for 40 and 90 years ahead.

The understanding of natural influences on climate is limited and unwelcome
to a myopic UN-IPCC mindset of maybe 60 scientists fixed on greenhouse. With
such a bias, the probability of a correct prediction is close to zero.

Climate involves many variables with a high order of uncertainty like solar
activity and connectivity, the solar/cosmic radiation balance, tectonic
activity, planetary motion, volcanic activity, aerosols linked to cloud
formation linked to greenhouse through water vapour (the most abundant and
potent greenhouse gas at 10,000 ppmv average with CO2 only 386 ppmv)and the
actual IR absorption band for CO2 and the available IR heat from the primary
heat source.

Let’s say just ten series assumptions were made and each were to be given a
0.9 (90%) probability of being right in a completey neutral model (with no
bias) run by independent statisticians (who didn’t have any axe to grind)….the
overall probability of being correct would be 0.9 raised to the power of 10 =
0.35 (35%).

Scientific knowledge of many influention climate variables is nowhere near
to being 90% certain and there are as many as 20 significant variables to
account for. A genuine probability of GC models predicting correctly (run as
they are by advocates of the AGW singularity)would be, at best, a random
chance.

I conclude that the right question is not ‘what the prediction is?’ but
‘how certain could any such prediction be?’ It is clear that the detected 0.6
deg C temperature rise during the whole 20th century was well within natural
geological variablity. On what evidence would one suppose any furture rise or
fall in GAT would go outside naural variation?

realityreturns on Dec 18th, 2009 at 8:55 am

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realityreturns on Dec 18th, 2009 at 8:55 am

“The understanding of natural influences on climate is limited and
unwelcome to a myopic UN-IPCC mindset of maybe 60 scientists fixed on
greenhouse. With such a bias, the probability of a correct prediction is close
to zero.”

Thank you RR, finally an answer. So what am I as a rational non-scientific
person to make of all this? I have two approaches. I can say on the one hand
we have eminent climatologists who after decades of study come to a conclusion
with a 50% chance of failure built into it, or I can follow the opinion of,
err who exactly(?) blogging from the comfort of their armchair who has come to
the conclusion that their hypothesis has almost 0% chance of failure? So,
again, as a rational person whose opinion do I most value? I think you know
where this is going.

Secondly, I could be more generous. I might conclude that the climatologist
is driven by a woolly left-liberal political bias and take his findings with a
pinch of salt. Equally, I might conclude that, err, who exactly(?) is driven
by a loony right-wing libertarian agenda and take his conclusions with a pinch
of salt. Applying the principles of wisdom of crowds it would be rational for
me to conclude that the answer is somewhere in the middle – lets say that
there is a 25% chance of catastrophic global warming within the next 30 years
if we don’t follow the IPCC recommendations. That’s a 3/1 chance in layman’s
terms.

Where from here? I might look at my options and apply Pascal’s Wager – What
are the cost/benefits of accepting either side of the argument.

1. If the climatologist is correct and I don’t follow his advise I’m
stuffed

2. If the clinmatologist is wrong and I follow his advise nothings changed
(apart from our economies being delivered from the hands of Big Oil & King
Coal)

3. If err, who exactly(?) is correct and I don’t follow his advise nothings
changed (apart from our economies being delivered from the hands of Big Oil
& King Coal)

4. If err, who exactly(?) is correct and I don’t follow his advise I’m
stuffed.

Its illogical for me not to take a 3/1 threat seriously. To argue that
there is no or nearly no threat is plainly daft.

Peace & love

The BNP Wants to Steal My
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oops.

4. If err, who exactly(?) is wrong and I do follow his advise I’m
stuffed.

The BNP Wants to Steal My
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Well, in any event, game’s over with this SCR device, which isn’t much more
than an extension of existing 40-year-old selective catalytic reduction
technology.

Ammonia-based scrubbing pulls th elot out of coal plant emissions at about
a 90% of the CO2, and in the 99.5% range for NOx, SOx, and particulates. It’s
about 7 bucks a tonne of CO2 removed versus 43 or so bucks per tonne using
DMEA amine adsorbants.

And yes, yes, evil draconic MI6 (oops, I meant British Petroleum, sorry
guys, Merry Xmas and all that) have a position in this technology at the
moment.

Do the drawdown on the emissions trade, and combined with associated
fertilizer sales, dum-de-dum, I’d say this scrubber ought to pay for itself in
about 3 months, and create a new revenue stream for the power plant in
question equal to about 30-40% to the good per annum.

http://www.powerspan.com/FirstEnergy_ECO.aspx

Bite on that, greenie wieners.

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Well done James – thank goodness there are some of you in the media who
have an independent mind and a brain!

This continues to illustrate that the lies emanating from the IPCC,
supported by our tax-payer funded Met. office and BBC, are based ( if based on
anything) on material supplied by those who are PAID ( by grants or salary) to
“prove” MMGW is a fact.

The Russian revelations are amazing – if that is an official response
highlighting real manipulation of data, how on Earth can the politicians even
begin to contemplate spending even more astronomical sums of our money on
“poor” countries – their delusion, “DENIAL” (of the fact that our climates
have always changed)and plain stupidity is Orwellian.

Also ( as reported recently) shifts in the Earth’s core etc have a far
greater impact on the tilt of land and thus flooding of islands than any
so-called MMGW.

Is this another piece of evidence they will ignore?

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Walt OBrien on Dec 18th, 2009 at 10:29 am

“Ammonia-based scrubbing pulls th elot out of coal plant emissions at about
a 90% of the CO2, and in the 99.5% range for NOx, SOx, and particulates. It’s
about 7 bucks a tonne of CO2 removed versus 43 or so bucks per tonne using
DMEA amine adsorbants.”

Who can argue with that? – if we must burn coal then make it as
environmentally “clean” as possible. I’m not sure what this has to do with
macho posturing though.

I guess it returns us to my very first point – that global warming
scepticism is political driven

Quoting oneself is bad I know, but one profile of sceptics is:

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/05/pdf/6americas.pdf

“mostly conservative Republicans and typically male. They are politically
active and
hold traditional religious beliefs. They strongly endorse
individualistic values, opposing any form of
government intervention, and
are very unlikely to be environmentalists.”

Recognise any of that in yourself kid?

Peace & love

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Rockefeller, Rothschild, and all the other cockroach globalists are
probably meeting behind closed doors as we speak saying to each other “We
tried a financial meltdown, phony terrorism, food and oil shortages, swine flu
and vaccinations, War, global warming, and then climate change as people
copped it was’nt warming, but the human race will NOT roll over and accept us
as their masters!”. “Damn, we’ll have to go to the Ace Card, which is our
planed alien invasion”…..”Yeah this’ll definetley work!” lol….These scumbags
have been throwing everything at us since 2001 with proper zeal for some
reason. Their agenda is no longer hidden anymore, they openly talk about and
flaunt their goal for world government even in the msm these days. It’s no
longer a secret people and if anyone thinks people like me are still mad,
crazy loons I suggest either go and research this yourselves or snuggle up and
go back to sleep then you’ll wake up, wonder what happened and why were’nt you
warned! Peace

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The motivation for the Russian revelation is that their noses are out of
joint because ferriners have played fast and loose with the bulk of their
data. There’s also the fact, of course, that if the CO2=Evil scam is
successful, their main sources of income, oil and gas, will suffer.

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BNP:
“Returning to my main theme – nobody has given me an estimation as
to what percentage chance there is that mankind will suffer catastrophic
warming within the next 30 years, partly due to human activity. Why? The Cat
got your tongue?

Peace & love”
Since ( see http://arxiv.org/pdf/0707.1161v4 ) the actual math and
physics of atmospheric dynamics show, to the (limited) extent that current or
conceivable techniques can handle the huge, non-linear, and chaotic
estimations at all, a vanishingly, almost infinitesimally small influence of
CO2 on the atmosphere’s temperature, the correct answer to your question is
0%, out to about 5 decimal places.

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Brian on Dec 18th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

“the correct answer to your question is 0%, out to about 5 decimal
places”

I would say that makes you dogmatic. Catweazle, Walt OB et al don’t even go
there. Nobody likes a dogmatist.

Peace & love

The BNP Wants to Steal My
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CORRECTION.

Sorry kid. I mean nobody takes any notice of a dogmatist. My mistake.

Peace & love

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KRS-One & Professor Griff Tell it like it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUNylW4bC1I&feature=related

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