9. Why did the Germans intern Jews in concentration camps?

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Rebuttal # 9

In an article entitled "Zionism versus Bolshevism" that appeared
in the British Sunday Herald on February 8, 1920 (p 5) Winston Churchill
wrote, while first addressing what he called "National Jews" whom he
described as ". . . helpful and hopefull in a very high degree to
humanity":

1918 - The first People's Commissariat
-Allmost all Jews

For a
more complete list of Jews beside Stalin, see our Jews Beside Stalin page

"International Jews"

In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish effort rise the schemes of
International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men
reared up among the unhappy populations of countries
where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all of them,
have forsaken the faith of their forefathers and divorced from their minds all
spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new.
From the days of Spartacus_Weishaupt to the days of Karl Marx, and down to
Trotzky (Russia), Bela Kan (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma
Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of
civilization and for the re-constitution of society on the basis of arrested
development, of envious malevolence and impossible equality, has been steadily
growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a
definitely recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has
been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century,
and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of
the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the
hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that
enormous empire.

Jews in Stalin's murderous regime

See a
more complete list of Jews beside Stalin - click here

"Terrorist Jews"

There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism
and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these
international and for the most part atheistic Jews. It is certainly a very
great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of
Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal
inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin,
a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate, Litvinoff, and the
influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the
power of Trotzky, or of Zinovieff, the dictator of the Red Citadel (Patrograd)
or of Krassin or Radek - all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance
of Jews is even more astounding. And the prominent, if not indeed the
principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary
Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in
some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews
in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kan ruled in Hungary. The same
phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria) as far as this
madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German
people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as
bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter
in proportion to their numbers in the population is astounding."

How many in America - or the entire world, for that matter - know this? The
"Russian" Revolution was an imported revolution that
threatened to engulf the world when Hitler came to power. He saw his country in
the path of such destruction as the human mind can barely accommodate - and at
the core of this destruction Hitler saw, just as Winston Churchill had earlier,
a preponderance of Jewish revolutionaries.

Ian Macdonald,
a former Canadian career diplomat, now living in retirement in Ottawa, Canada,
has commented:

"It is a measure of the virtually iron-clad control over the media
by a small, wealthy, influential, devious, self-serving, duplicitous, racist,
alien pressure group that the obvious truths about the origins and nature of WW
II are still considered beyond discussion.

And in a recent Letter to Time Magazine, (rejected!) this former
soldier, having fought on the Allied side, wrote further:

"Some day, if there is indeed a God in Heaven, the truth about the
origin and events of World War II will emerge. It will not be a happy day for
the diabolical schemers who defamed the German nation and contrived the
fratricide among Christians so serve their own selfish purposes.

It will however be a happy day for mankind, and Germans will no longer need to
apologize for doing the right thing."

The "right thing," as far as pre-World War II Germany was
concerned, was not to fight a racial war or to engage in an illegal
expansion conquest, as has so often falsely been alleged, but to fight Stalin's
Communism - the Evil Empire, as President Reagan called it belatedly only in
the 1980s. And Communism was known to be the brain child of largely
Jewish thinkers and writers like Karl Marx, Trotzki-Bronstein, Apfelbaum and
his disciples Bela Kon, Rosa Luxemburg, Kurt Eisner, Ilja Ehrenburg, Karl Radek
and others.

As every school child knows, less than two years after the war broke out in
1939, Germany found itself at war with Russia. Contrary to what we have all
been spoon-fed to believe, that war against the Soviet Government was in fact a
preventive war, as recently made clear by Russian researchers and
writers on that topic and by hitherto secret but now-released Soviet documents.

These revelations also confirm what is even more important and timely to know:
that that which threatens the survival of the Christian world today, as many
people now believe, is indeed identical to what was threatening Germany back
then. We call it now the New World Order - it is nothing more than
Communism repackaged.

What was that threat? Stalin himself made it clear in a well-known speech in
1938:

"The revival of revolutionary action on any scale sufficiently vast
will not be possible unless we succeed in utilizing the existing disagreements
between the capitalistic countries so as to precipitate them against each other
into armed conflict. . .

The essential work of our party comrades in foreign countries consists, then,
in facilitating the provocation of such a conflict. Those who do not comprehend
this know nothing of revolutionary Marxism.

And in Red Dusk and the Morrow (page 303) by Sir Paul Dukes, formerly
Chief of the British Secret Service in Russia, we read that a Lithuanian asked
a prominent Bolshevik how the Soviet regime was maintained. His answer was:

"Our power is based on three things: first, on Jewish brains,
secondly, on Lettish and Chinese bayonets, and thirdly, on the crass stupidity
of the Russian people."

And it was not just Soviet Russia, harboring Jews in power who did not view
Germany kindly. Even prior to the "Russian" Revolution, Hitler knew
full well who had financed and manipulated the ideological struggle - namely
the banking houses and armaments industries, many of which were owned by Jews,
and who were still arming and protecting the Reds when World War II broke out
in America and England.

According to the Reverend George A. Simmons, Superintendent of the Methodist
Episcopal Church in Petrograd,

"In December 1918,. . . under the presidency of a man named
Apfelbaum (Zinovieff). . . out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real
Russians, and all the rest Jews, with the exception of one man who is a negro
from North America . . . and 265 of these Jews belonging to this Northern
Commune Government that is sitting in the old Smolny Institute come from the
Lower East Side of New York - 265 of them". (The Rulers of Russia, Third
Edition (Rev. Denis Fahey, Professor of Philosophy and Church History, 1984, p
28)

This must be understood: Hitler's war was largely a war against Jewish
International Communism in which Jewish and other Western capitalists joined in
on Communism's side. Jews were evident everywhere in the global Marxist
movement and in the Soviet Hierarchy. The source of that bloody World War II
conflict can very easily be traced to the source of the World War I conflict -
and that source was the cabal of viciously determined, utterly unscrupulous,
largely Jewish Communists, revolutionaries and cold-hearted, money-hungry,
calculating New York banking interests.

Here are a few examples of this Communist/Jewish threat, according to The
Rulers of Russia, page 8)

"The 62 members of the
(Central) Committee were composed of 5 Russians, 1 Ukrainian, 6 Letts, 2
Germans, 1 Czech, 2 Armenians, 3 Georgians, 1 Karaim (Jewish sect) and 41
Jews.

The Extraordinary Commission
of Moscow was composed of 36 members, including 1 German, 1 Pole, 1
Armenian, 2 Russians, 8 letts, 23 Jews.

The Council of the People's
Commissars numbered 2 Armenians, 3 Russians, 17 Jews.

According to the data
furnished by the Soviet Press, out of 556 important functionaries of the
Bolshevik State, there were in 1918-1919 17 Russians, 2 Ukrainians, 11
Armenians, 35 Letts, 15 Germans, 1 Hungarian, 10 Georgians, 3 Poles, 3
Finns, 1 Czech, 1 Karaim, 457 Jews. (Rulers of Russia, p. 32)

So it was not as though Jews were not legitimately and easily identified as
enemies of Germany agitating the world against Hitler's government - from Samuel
Undermeyer (he was the one who declared war on Germany!) to Rabbi Stephen Wise
(an unelected but powerful warmongering "special advisor" to FDR) to
Henry Morgenthau (author of post-war plan to starve millions of Germans to
death) and on and on and on. As an identifiable group, Jews were the self
declared enemies of Germany, from Untermeir to Wise, from Nathan Theodore
Kaufman to Chaim Weizman and some of those, but by no means all, who were still
inside the Reich were incarcerated as enemies and were treated as enemies of
the Reich quite legitimately so!

It bears repeating that incarceration of people believed to be harmful to the
war effort is nothing new and nothing unusual. Countries at war did then (and
still do today) adopt virtually similar policies. War time "enemies"
were and still are incarcerated to neutralize their potential for sabotage on
behalf of the enemy. In England, Englishmen like Mosley, the Mitfords and
Admiral Sir Barry Dormille, etc, France, Canada people like Adrien Arcand and
Camilien Houd Mayor of Montreal and the USA, Japanese and many Germans and
Italians were interned for precisely those reasons.

Therefore, the Germans - after the Jewish "Declaration of War" on
Germany on March 24, 1933, broadcast all over the world by Samuel Undermeyer -
had plenty of justification for incarcerating suspect Jews. Unlike the Japanese
who had no documented history in the United States or Canada of terrorism,
sabotage and revolutionary activity, the Jews were massively implicated in what
Germany prior to World War II perceived as the main threat to her existence -
namely Communism and revolution, Soviet style, all over Germany and the rest of
Europe.

Now, given the fact of Jews as self-identified and self-declared enemies of
Germany, just how did National Socialist Hitler Germany treat the danger to its
national security - compared to America, let's say, which interned the
Japanese?

As already pointed out exhaustively in Reply # 8, after Pearl Harbor, all
Japanese-Americans had to sell or simply abandon their homes and belongings -
at a great loss, to be sure - to be interned as 'public enemies' or possible
'sympathizers with Japan'. A similar fate befell many Germans. These groups
included children, all of whom were innocent, many of whom suffered, and some
of whom died in countries that were not being bombed into the stone age, as was
the case with Germany.

The so-called "horrors of Naziism" could not have been all that
horrible for the Jews after all. According to Sol Littman, the Simon Wiesenthal
Center's representative of Canada, close to 50,000 still lived and worked in
Berlin alone in 1942. The Allies found over 5,000 Jews in Berlin in 1945, none
of whom had been incarcerated but lived like the Germans.

Contrary to popular lore - and even given the horrendous history of Jewish
involvement in all the atrocities of the Bolshevik Revolution and Communism's
plans for a global take-over - the treatment of Jews in Germany was much more
humane than the 'American measures' against the innocent Japanese-American
population.

A mass-incarceration, American-style, did not take place in Germany until well
into the war. Incarcerations of Jews in Germany did take place according to a selective,
largely ideological criterion for quite some time after the beginning of
WW2 hostilities, until resettlement in the East became feasible due to the
defeat of Poland and the near-collapse of Russia when national security became
a primary concern, as the war dragged on.

Until then, Jews lived - despite their 'declaration of war' from London - among
the Germans much as they had done for hundreds of years and before the outbreak
of the shooting war. They were constrained only by the Nuremberg-Laws, which
many have compared to the Israeli Laws of Return and policies adopted against
Palestinians in Israel since 1948.

Let's just compare:

Jews could not teach in
German public schools - there are no Christian teachers today in Israels
Jewish schools.

Jews could not marry
Christians - as is true today, according to orthodox Jewish laws, in
Israel.

Jews could not hold sensitive
high-level government positions - just like Christians cannot hold these
types of government positions in Israel today.

In schools and institutions
of higher learning, German Jews were retired early with pay. Those who
could not find employment in the Jewish educational system were encouraged
to emigrate to friendly nations, as long as those nations were willing to
welcome Jews - and not all of them were eager to accept German Jews.

So what was the real
"Zeitgeist" in the Third Reich? Let's look at one example:

There is the case of Dr. Leo
Baeck, Chief Rabbi of Berlin until 1943. If the Germans wanted to massacre
all Jews in Europe on an "unprecedented scale", why was Rabbi
Leo Baeck not put away, gassed or burned? Why was he exempt from that
treatment, meted out wholesale to Jews, as we have been brainwashed to
believe for the past 50 plus years? If one wants to exterminate an entire
race by "industrial method", one would start with the leaders,
the intelligentsia - The way Stalin did with the Poles at Katyn and
everywhere else in the territories he occupied - and not with the little
people, such as cobblers and candlestick makers.

Leo Baeck was a prominent
Jewish leader who did not pack his suitcase, emigrating to friendlier
shores, when the London DAILY EXPRESS carried the headline: "Judea
declares War on Germany" on March 24, 1933. He chose to stay in
Germany.

Rabbi Leo Baeck must have
been also quite unconcerned about his safety when the
"book-burning" took place on May 10, 1933. Since most of the
books burned by an angry populace were from Jewish authors, every
genuinely fearful Jew should have said; ". . .I've had enough now, I
am leaving."

Well, Rabbi Baeck did not
think so. He remained in Berlin.

Then war broke out. First
England, then France, Canada, Australia and other nations declared war on
Germany - not the other way around as Allied propagandists frequenty and
falsley claim. Two years later the United States of America entered the
war against Germany. By then, the enemy had been identified - what had
been to this point a localized European war only now turned into a world
war!

But Rabbi Leo Baeck remained
unmoved by it all. He stayed in Berlin and suffered under the same allied
bombing-terror as the German people did. There, in the hail of bombs he
could have been killed and buried in the rubble, thus becoming a statistic
of "German cruelties".

However, he survived.

Even after war broke out and
more and more Jews were arrested and interned, Dr. Baeck collaborated with
the Germans in dispersing Jews from the ghettos to the camps, when
encampment was thought necessary for even tighter security reasons. His
organization compiled the 'selection-lists' of Jews, in accordance with
the "Haavara Transfer Agreement". This list showed Jews either
destined for emigration or deportation (after emigration was no longer
possible, due to the outbreak of hostilities) to other nations in the East
or overseas.

By all accounts, Rabbi Dr.
Leo Baeck must have had a very comfortable existence quite deep into the
war under the National Socialist Government in Germany. He maintained his
position as Rabbi in Berlin from 1912 until 1943, when he was interned at
the Theresienstadt camp, a camp where most of the prominent Jews and
anti-government activists were housed and where Jews had their own
administration, their own camp currencies with the Star of David on it,
and their own postage stamps.

After the war Leo Baeck,
having comfortably survived the concentration camp, emigrated to England.
He died in the fifties, and his wish was to be returned to Germany (the
alleged "Holocaust-territory") where he was buried in the (still
existing!) Jewish cemetery in Berlin Weissensee, the land and nation of
Hitler's "willing executionetrs" if one believes Daniel
Goldhagen.

There he lies, leaving us
with a riddle to solve: why did Rabbi Leo Baeck, one of the most visible,
foremost leaders of the Jewish community - a man who would have been a
natural target for genocidal vengeance, had that been the plan - never
leave "The Third Reich", the land of "concentration
camps" and alleged "gas chambers" - while all the other 300
000 German Jews he issued exit permit to were leaving for more lucrative
grounds, greater freedoms and the blessings of democracy?

He must have felt relatively
safe - that's why.

Similarly, consider Max
Nussbaum, chief Rabbi of Berlin until 1940, who emigrated that year to New
York on the advice of Rabbi Stephen Wise. (Did Rabbi Wise already know of
the coming war between the US and Germany in 1940 . . . ?) Nussbaum
survived, as so many other prominent Jews seem to have survived the
alleged "Holocaust" - Simon Wiesenthal, Eli Wiesel, Henry
Kissinger who graduated from a Jewish high school in Nuremberg and many,
many more like them.

As a matter of fact, millions
of Jews have survived to collect pensions and indemnities from Germany!
And not a few of them, if we believe the patriotic movement press, now
formulate the New World Order policies.

Contrast that with the
treatment Germans and, especially, Japanese living in the US and Canada
received - reread, if necessary, QA # 8!

One final note from the
astounding, only recently available research on Nuremberg by Carlos
Porter, a former US citizen and interpeter now living in exile in Belgium.
I quote here from his research entitled "Not Guilty at
Nuremberg":

". . . there were 13
central concentration camps or "Stammlager" during the war . . .
the (Nuremberg) prosecution total of 300 concentration camps was achieved
by including perfectly normal work camps. The 13th camp, Matzgau, near
Danzig, was a special camp whose prisoners were SS guards and police who
had been sentenced to imprisonment for offenses against prisoners in their
charge: physical mistreatment, embezzlement, theft of personal property,
etc. . . . Kaltenbrunner claimed that sentences passed by SS and police
courts were far more severe than sentences passed by other courts for the
same offenses. The SS carried out frequent trials of their own men for
offenses against inmates and violations of discipline."

In summary, when we are
dealing with something as serious as the treatment of the enemy living
within one's own precinct in a time of desperate war, and knowing full
well the practices adopted by all belligerents for such cases, it is
consummate hypocrisy on the part of Nizkor to point an accusing finger at
Germany and roll their eyes heavenward in mock horror, in order to score
cheap debating points.

The stark reality of World
War II was that the Jews as an identifiable group were deemed a threat or
at least suspect. Not all individual Jews were guilty, of course - but as
a group they were thought to be a threat to the country at war. Honest and
scholarly work has shown that many Jews indeed were spies, guerillas,
partisans, saboteurs and revolutionary cutthroats and got dealt with in
the way countries and armies at war traditionally deal with such people.

One final note: Nizkor
confuses two groups of people:

The "Suspected Terrorist
Gangs" Nizkor refers to (the Germans called them Partisans - which
means guerillas) were, for the most part, Khazar Jews who were guilty of
horrendous atrocities- such as killing 700,000 Germans through guerrilla
action behind the front lines, blowing up trains, bridges, barracks,
hospitals, etc. These were the saboteurs who did horrendous damage via the
underground - such as strapping mines to dogs and chasing them under parked
tanks, trucks and into the lodgings of civilians, stringing invisible wire
across roads to behead or unseat German Army motorcyclists, capturing and
executing civilians as a means of undermining German war morale, poisoning
water supplies and food crops. Many, many of these were drawn from local
Jewish sources.

How do we know? Thousands
were decorated in the East and West after the war for these activities.

Revisionists have never
denied that such people were treated harshly. It is true that they were
ruthlessly eradicated by what was called Sonderkommandos. (Also
called Einsatzgruppen - police anti-guerilla units.) US soldiers employed
similar measures in Viet Nam, the French did it to the Algerians and Viet
Minh, and the British did it to the Malay-Communists. The Greek Cyriots in
Cyprus and the Zionists-Jewish terorists in Palestine under British
mandate. The Communists did it to the Ukrainian Underground Army in the
Ukraine in the 1950's. The Israelis do it today to the Hezbollah or the
Palestinian Freedom Fighters, whom they call "terrorists". Truly
it may be said that one man's terrorist is another's hero, or Freedom
Fighter.

These people who, when
caught, were executed, had nothing to do with the regular internees of
concentration camps who were moved there as a preventive measure, because
of suspected dual loyalties or outright allegiance to the cause of the
enemy; there to be assembled into a war time work force so as to be more
productive. These concentration camps also contained a fair number of
genuine social undesirables such as common criminals, prostitutes, pimps
of all nationalities, check forgers, rapists and arsonists - including
many of German nationality. To have been in a concentration camp - Jew or
non-Jew! - does not automatically bestow on one the halo of
"victim", "hero" or "martyr". Many so
imprisoned and held in check during the war as Germany was struggling for
survival BELONGED THERE and were, in fact, clearly guilty for harming
Germany and its German people.

The Allies released all these inmates indiscriminately when the war ended
and found that over half of them were re-arrested and incarcerated for new
criminal activities under Allied military rule in the months and years that
followed.