> From: God Like Productions Admin > Date: June 22, 2009 4:34:18 PM CDT > To: "Abraham Goldman" > Subject: Re: Demand for Immediate Removal of Copyrighted, Private > and Privileged Information > > Sir, > > People who email asking for "cooperation" should not make demands. > Your letter makes several demands of our organization quoting > proposed violations of law without basis in fact. > > The document in question that you refer to as privileged or > copyrighted is not hosted on our website. It is hosted on > wikileaks.com. As you yourself admit, posting a paraphrase of a > document or post on wikileaks is NOT protected by attorney client > privilege or copyright laws. Your attempts to stretch the limits of > these laws to suit your needs here is ill conceived at best. > > Again I will suggest you take up your cause with the publisher of > this document and the websites hosting it. Your attempts to stifle > free speech at a discussion forum will be met with nothing but > further public discussion of your agenda which you are powerless to > prevent. > > After further review of the information out there on the > organization that you not only represent but are a member of it > seems obvious to me that you have a very serious problem on your > hands here that involves much more than a civil issue. Your hasty > action in sending a letter of demands attempting to stifle free and > open discussion about your organization has only lead to more > exposure and public discussion of the matters at hand. > > Our stance is that we are not in violation of any laws. If you would > like have a judge decide you are free to pursue further civil action. > > You can do your own due diligence as to the legal owner of this > website. Don't ask me to do your job for you. > > Finally, I would suggest you work on your communication skills if > you wish to obtain cooperation from individuals who are bound by no > law to comply with your "demands". > > Best Regards, > > XXXXXXXXXXX > > > On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Abraham Goldman wrote: > >> Dear XXXXXXXXX: >> >> Thank you for the prompt reply. >> >> You are incorrect that my communication was a “threatening” letter. >> If you comply with the law, you are protected from any legal >> process. You state you are or will be in compliance, so there is no >> possibility of any “threat” to you. >> >> The post in question paraphrases a letter which unquestionably is a >> privileged Attorney Client communication under the laws of any >> state, nation and international law. Nothing is more fundamental >> that the right of a client to communicate with their legal >> representative. Kings and Emperors and Star Chambers fought against >> this, but the right to counsel prevailed. >> >> Publishing a paraphrase of a privileged document would be an easy >> and convenient way to avoid any laws of copyright, privacy or >> privilege. That is what Mr. Gilbert’s posting attempts to do. There >> is definitely attorney client information in it that is the whole >> intent of the posting. It also links, or attempts to link to the >> full letter itself: the Courts have held such a link can be a >> violation of copyright laws and the DNCA all by itself. The link is >> a direction to the full private, privileged letter itself. >> >> People who take a stand for legal rights do not “threaten”. They >> ask for civilized compliance with the law. Respectfully asking for >> legal compliance is not a threat. The world stood still while >> Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin violated law after law: there was >> the threat. Freedom and Responsibility need and deserve equal >> respect and equal compliance. Violating laws of privacy and legal >> privilege do not further either. >> >> I will forward to you the additional information you request. In >> the interval, my client’s demand and notice that it’s rights of >> privacy, privilege and copyright be respected stands as previously >> stated. >> >> If you would be so kind as to reply with the corporate name, >> address and email that would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Abraham Goldman >> >> From: God Like Productions Admin >> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 7:30 AM >> To: agoldman@succeed.net >> Subject: Re: Demand for Immediate Removal of Copyrighted, Private >> and Privileged Information >> >> Sir, >> >> For an attorney you should know that the post in question does NOT >> violate the DMCA. You should also know that NO attorney client >> privileged information is contained in that post. If you can >> provide a real evidence of a law that is being violated here I will >> be happy to investigate the matter further. In the mean time I have >> published this threatening letter on our website for the public to >> review. If you believe this post represents libel I suggest you >> take that up with the person who made it and attempt to prove what >> they are saying is NOT true. (good luck with that) I will be >> awaiting any subpoena for information via our corporate >> headquarters in Jersey, Isle of Man. (good luck on that as well) >> >> Please be aware that further threatening letters will also be >> published for public consumption. >> >> Have a nice day, >> >> XXXXXXXXXXX >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 22, 2009, at 9:04 AM, XXXXXXXXXXXX wrote: >> >> >> >> >> From: Abraham Goldman [mailto:agoldman@succeed.net] >> Sent: segunda-feira, 22 de Junho de 2009 03:00 >> To: God Like Productions Admin >> Cc: 'Abraham Goldman' >> Subject: Demand for Immediate Removal of Copyrighted, Private and >> Privileged Information >> >> ABRAHAM N. GOLDMAN & ASSOCIATES, LTD. >> Post >> Office Box 120 >> >> 12896 Rices Crossing Road >> >> Oregon House, CA 95962-0120 >> >> Abraham N. >> Goldman >> Tel >> . 530-692-2267 >> agoldman >> @succeed >> .net >> Fax >> 530692-2543 >> June 21, 2009 >> >> >> To: >> “Godlike Productions” >> DMCA and legal compliance officer: >> >> >> I am the lawyer for the Fellowship of Friends, Inc., a California >> non-profit religious corporation. Please call my office: 530 692 >> 2267 to verify. >> >> My client wishes to work with you on this matter in a cooperative >> fashion. Please do no hesitate to contact me by email or by >> telephone at any time. >> >> This notice concerns a post by a Mr. Ames Gilbert: "Censored >> Fellowship of Friends cult letter from former legal council David >> Springfield", possibly posted or dated 6/14/2009. >> >> My client demands that the Post reproduced below, by Ames Gilbert, >> be removed immediately, and that all links or traces of this post >> be eliminated. My client also demands that all electronically >> stored information, as that term is used in Rules 26 and 34 of the >> Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, be preserved immediately and >> permanently, until further notice. My office intends to subpoena >> such information pursuant to the DMCA and all other applicable laws >> very soon. >> >> Please take notice that the post by Mr. Gilbert reiterates or >> paraphrases copyrighted AND ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGED MATERIALS, >> WHICH CAN NEVER BE PUBLISHED UNDER ANY "FAIR USE" DOCTRINE. The >> underlying materials were and remain privileged and private and no >> legal rights under any federal or state law were ever waived by my >> client, the owner of the letter and it’s copyright. >> >> PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE RECEIPT OF THIS EMAIL IMMEDIATELY, and that the >> offending post was removed immediately. >> >> In addition to violation of copyright laws and privacy laws, my >> client also takes the position the post is libel and defamation, >> and violates federal laws on electronic communications. My client >> also reserves the right to take legal action against any person or >> entity involved with the publication or distribution of the subject >> post by Mr. Gilbert, and/or the referenced underlying attorney >> client privileged and private letter. >> >> My client looks forward to your immediate cooperation and >> compliance with all federal and state laws and regulations. >> >> Once again, my client wishes to work with you on this matter in a >> cooperative fashion. Please do no hesitate to contact me by email >> or by telephone at any time. Mr. Gilbert has a long documented >> history of illegal acts toward the Fellowship, including, but not >> limited to copyright violations, privacy violations, defamation, >> invasion of privacy and violation of federal internet and >> electronic communications laws. >> >> Thank you for your immediate attention to this very important matter. >> >> /s/ >> Abraham Goldman >> 530 692 2267 >> agoldman@succeed.net >> >> Offending Post: >> >> >> “Summary >> >> The Fellowship of Friends is a "intellectual" fourth-way cult >> founded in the 1970s by its current leader Robert Earl Burton [1] >> [2] [3]. It claims chapters in many countries, including 10 >> chapters in the United States [4]. >> >> This file contains a copy of a letter sent to the members of the >> Board of Directors of the Fellowship of Friends apparently by their >> former legal counsel. The letter outlines many illegal activities >> of the Fellowship of Friends and omissions of oversight by said >> Board of Directors, and possible consequences if these matters come >> to the attention of the authorities. >> >> The document was initially released on the Fellowship of Friends >> Discussion blog, but was wholly censored by the publisher >> Wordpress.com after it received a claim of copyright infringement >> under the US DMCA. >> >> A version of it was then made available on the Internet Archive >> (archive.org), but it too has been removed. >> >> The letter refers to fraud obtaining religious visas, fraudulent >> accounting, inurements to the chief minister (Robert Earl Burton), >> tax evasion, and so on. It may be of interest to agencies within >> the US government and the governments of other countries. >> >> Interested parties can call Ames Gilbert at (530) 272-4775 (within >> U.S.A.).” >> >> >> >> >> >