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<HEAD>A PROPOSAL for a General Satisfaction, in rela|tion to <HI>George Oldner</HI>'s Invention, to prevent Ships from Foundering or Sinking at Sea, <HI>&amp;c.</HI> To which is added an <HI>ANSWER</HI> to a <HI>PAMPHLET,</HI> entituled, <HI>An Epi&s;tle to a Member of Parliament.</HI> As al&s;o the other Adverti&s;ements; <HI>(viz.)</HI></HEAD>
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<P>WHEREAS on <HI>Monday</HI> the 9th of this In&s;tant <HI>January</HI> the Books for taking Sub&s;criptions for Shares were laid open, pur&s;uant to the former Propo&s;als and Adverti&s;ement, and a con&s;iderable Num|ber of Shares (notwith&s;tanding the Papers and Pamphlets) were then Sub&s;cribed accordingly, and many more Sub&s;criptions daily offered on the afore&s;aid Terms; but the Patentees and pre&s;ent Proprietors being willing to remove all Objections that are or can be made again&s;t their Proceedings in this Affair, and fully to &s;atisfy the World of the Sincerity of their Intentions therein, that this u&s;eful and nece&s;&s;ary Invention may no longer be wanting to the Publick, do propo&s;e and agree to the following Variation from the former Propo&s;als and Adverti&s;ement; <HI>(viz.)</HI></P>
<P N="1">1&s;t. That 25 <HI>s. per</HI> Share only be paid down at the time of Sub&s;cribing, into the Hands of Sir <HI>Thomas Cuddon,</HI> Knight, and Chamberlain of the City of <HI>London,</HI> or his A&s;&s;igne, as Tru&s;tee, until the Committee be cho&s;en: And that all Money &s;o ad|vanced be paid into the &s;aid Committee or their Order, when cho&s;en, for a Stock to be applied only for the managing and carrying on the &s;aid Invention and Letters Pa|tents, as in the former Propo&s;als.</P>
<P N="2">2dly. That one third part of all clear Profits ari&s;ing by Means of this Invention, &s;hall be divided among the Patentees and pre&s;ent Proprietors only, until the remain|ing Sum of Eight Pounds Fifteen Shillings <HI>per</HI> Share be fully paid and &s;atisfied, and no longer; and the other two third Parts of the &s;aid Profits to be divided in com|mon to all Per&s;ons concerned, according and in Proportion to their &s;everal and re&s;pe|ctive Intere&s;ts therein.</P>
<P N="3">3dly. That all Per&s;ons who have already &s;ub&s;cribed for Shares, &s;hall be &s;ubject to the&s;e Conditions only, or may retract their former Sub&s;criptions, and &s;ub&s;cribe <HI>de Novo,</HI> if they &s;ee meet.</P>
<P N="4">4thly. That the pre&s;ent Proprietors &s;hall, upon Account of this Variation, have equal Liberty with all other Sub&s;cribers, of di&s;po&s;ing of their Shares; except the Patentees, who are to retain &s;o many Shares as to qualify them to be of the Com|mittee, as in the former Propo&s;als, yet neverthele&s;s &s;ubject to an Election.</P>
<P N="5">5thly, That in Ca&s;e the &s;aid Invention &s;hould not an&s;wer, after the Experiment has been made in a large Ship at Sea, which the Patentees and pre&s;ent Proprietors have no manner of Rea&s;on to doubt or que&s;tion, yet to demon&s;trate their Sincerity and Fairne&s;s, are content that all Money &s;o rai&s;ed for a Stock, as afore&s;aid, with the Produce thereof, &s;hall be equally divided and paid back to the Sub&s;cribers only; the Charges and Expences<NOTE N="*" PLACE="marg">Which accord|ing to the near|e&s;t Computati|on that can now be made, is pre|&s;um'd will not exceed <HI>5</HI> s. <HI>per</HI> Share at mo&s;t, and probably not half &s;o much, which is an incon&s;idera|ble Adventure for &s;o great a Probability of &s;o large Profits and univer&s;al Benefit, and Propo&s;als of In|&s;urance will in a &s;hort time be made to the Sub|&s;cribers accor|dingly.</NOTE> (&s;igned and allowed by the Committee) fir&s;t deducted.</P>
<P N="6">6thly, That pur&s;uant to the&s;e pre&s;ent Conditions and Agreements, the Books for taking Sub&s;criptions for Shares in the &s;aid Invention, &s;hall be opened again on <HI>Tue&s;day</HI> the 24th of this In&s;tant <HI>January,</HI> at <HI>Robin's-Coffee-Hou&s;e</HI> in <HI>Exchange-Alley, London,</HI> from Ten to One, and from Three to Seven a Clock, and &s;hall continue open until <HI>Saturday</HI> the 28th <HI>ditto</HI> inclu&s;ive.</P>
<CLOSER><DATELINE>Dated <DATE><HI>January</HI> the 13th, 1698/9.</DATE></DATELINE></CLOSER>
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<HEAD>An ANSWER to the Namele&s;s Pamplet, a&s;&s;uming a Title of <HI>An Epi&s;tle to a Member of Parliament,</HI> concerning Mr. <HI>George Oldner</HI>'s Invention; to prevent Ships from Foundering or Sinking at Sea, <HI>&amp;c.</HI> it being pre&s;umed the Author was rather com|manded by his Intere&s;t, than by a Member of the <HI>Hou&s;e of Commons.</HI></HEAD>
<P N="1">1&s;t. BEcau&s;e in the very beginning, he complains of the Liberty of the Pre&s;s, for &s;uffering Trifles and Whim&s;ies to be publi&s;hed, and tells you, the whole Na|tion &s;eems to have run a gadding, every little Trifler &s;etting up for Wit, Politicks, or Projects, openly declaring him&s;elf to be one of the Number, as at the &s;ame time to be guilty of an Impertinent Libel of Folly and Fal&s;hood, &s;o jumbled together, That for the mo&s;t part it be&s;peaks nothing but Prejudice and Ill-Will, angry and ag|grieved, as is &s;uppo&s;ed, that hone&s;t and well-meaning Men &s;hould undertake to &s;erve the World with a much better Invention, than this wonderful Politician with all his Wit and Art, could ever attain to be Ma&s;ter of; and the very Subject he gives the Honourable Per&s;on a &s;ingle In&s;tance of (tho' indeed one might have expected a variety out of the multitude of Pamphlets complain'd of) is by him&s;elf ju&s;ti|fied in the Front of his Di&s;cour&s;e, to be a Noble Undertaking, if it can ever be ac|compli&s;hed; and yet (having not patience to &s;ee whether it can or no) irritated by his Anger and Folly, falls out with it almo&s;t in the very &s;ame Line, and terms it a mon&s;trous and unaccountable Air of Whim&s;ey and Confidence, the Incon&s;i&s;tency of which unaccountable piece of Logick needs no Mathematical Demon&s;tration to &s;uch as under&s;tand <HI>Engli&s;h,</HI> &s;o rudely and ungentilely has he attacked this No|ble Undertaking in his whole Di&s;cour&s;e (and apparently without the lea&s;t Know|ledge of it) letting the World &s;ee, That as Pa&s;&s;ion has overcome his Rea&s;on, he ob&s;ti|nately will be &s;o irrational as to think nothing can be effected by Art, but what comes within the Compa&s;s of his Imagination, and at la&s;t when his mighty Capacity can|not comprehend it, makes it a Foundation whereon to build a Creed for<NOTE N="*" PLACE="marg">Vid. Hor. Flace. Satyr. <HI>5.</HI></NOTE> <HI>Judaeus Apella,</HI> which Quotation, (though far from his Intention) &s;o aptly agrees with, and makes &s;o much for our Purpo&s;e, that it plainly appears, he as equally under&s;tands Authors as he does <HI>George Oldner</HI>'s Invention.</P>
<P N="2">2dly, He finds fault with the Method of proceeding, Slenderne&s;s of the Experiment and Privacy of the inventor, tho' this la&s;t be fully an&s;wered in the printed Propo&s;al, Page 4th, Paragraph the 2d; and as to the Experiment made in the River in &s;o &s;mall a Ve&s;&s;el, which has given old Commanders and Surveyors of the building of many Ships and Ve&s;&s;els Satisfaction, that it will an&s;wer in a large Ship; which they offering to venture their Lives on the Experiment, &s;hews the greate&s;t Faith of Per+formance and Reality of the Invention that is po&s;&s;ible; nor can it be deny'd, That in many ca&s;es, that which an&s;wers in the little will an&s;wer in the great, whereof In&s;tances &s;ufficient might be given: But our &s;cribling Author is &s;o di&s;ingenuous, to conclude the contrary of this Invention, when at the &s;ame time, he knows nothing of it; and his &s;aying the Marginal Note is an Acknowledgment of the mo&s;t Honou|rable Per&s;on not being pre&s;ent at the Experiment, is fal&s;e, as may appear by the &s;ame, there wanting only his &s;eeing the Model loaden, yet did &s;ee her &s;wim empty, and &s;everal other Per&s;ons of good Note, whom we are per&s;waded the World will allow better Judges in the matter than this Pamphleteer, who &s;lyly in&s;inuates a Su&s;picion of their Wi&s;dom or Integrity. Surely, if the pre&s;ent Age had not abounded with &s;elfi&s;h and mercenary Per&s;ons, the World might have been per&s;waded this Scribler, had out of Tenderne&s;s to them, and to prevent their being impo&s;ed upon, took all this Pains, and been at this Charge, and not for his more con&s;iderable Invention, (as he calls it) notwith&s;tanding which, it is hoped, when it &s;hall be humbly offered to the great Wi&s;dom of the Honourable Hou&s;e of Commons, it will meet with a much more favourable Reception, than this &s;elf-incon&s;i&s;tent piece of Politicks is willing it &s;hould.</P>
<P N="3"><PB N="3" REF="2">3dly, His accu&s;ing the Patentees of Di&s;ingenuity, for reciting a Copy of a Cer|tificate given by the Surgeons in &s;o general Terms, That the <HI>Bilge</HI>-water is pernicious to the Health and Lives of Men, and therefore as applicable to ours as to any other Invention what&s;oever, and a&s;&s;ignable to that which be&s;t an&s;wers the end, &s;hews ra|ther this Author's di&s;ingenuous Con&s;truction of the good and publick Spirits of the Naval Surgeons, in granting the &s;aid Certificate in &s;o univer&s;al a manner to incou|rage all thinking Men to the Perfection of &s;o great a Benefit, than that it &s;hould be confined to one &s;ingle Invention and no more; but his quarrelling thus, as he does, without Rea&s;on or good Manners, gives us to think he's in fear, (as well he may) that the Service propos'd by his Invention, will be far more effectually perform'd by ours.</P>
<P N="4">4thly, His Objection again&s;t the Experiment made in a Model, and not in a large Ship already built, to all ingenious Per&s;ons who have peru&s;ed the 4th Page of the Propo&s;als, we hope and believe to be &s;o &s;atisfactorily an&s;wered, as that if he were not of a peevi&s;h and prejudic'd Temper, he would not have urged it.</P>
<P N="5">5thly, His Objection relating to the &s;afe Arrival of a Ship with &s;uch Breaches, in <HI>Holland</HI> not to be a &s;ufficient Te&s;timony, unle&s;s &s;he returned, &s;hews his little Know|ledge of our Intentions, we having de&s;igned a farther Voyage than a return from thence to <HI>England.</HI> Likewi&s;e his a&s;&s;erting it to be &s;aid by one of the Patentees, that all this is to be done with the U&s;e but of Two Pumps, is fal&s;e; and &s;hews (for the Rea&s;ons he objects) how far he is to &s;eek in the other parts of our Invention; <HI>Pumps,</HI> by his Paper, appearing to be his &s;ore place. Yet neither his Railing or Ig|norance &s;hall pump the Patentees to di&s;cover to him their Secret.</P>
<P N="6">6thly, As to his Objection of their falling the Price of their Shares, and his a&s;&s;ert|ing their Mi&s;tru&s;t of the Sufficiency of the Invention, becau&s;e of their conde&s;cending to accept Payments for their Shares after an Experiment is made, and Rewards ob|tained, is fal&s;e in Fact, and &s;hews how little Skill this weak Author has in common Sen&s;e, and therefore we may &s;ay with him, that as Truth loves the open Light, and Error and Impo&s;ture lurking Holes, we leave the Reader to judge whether they who have put their Names in the Front, and declare them&s;elves openly, or he that has put neither Name, nor Place where to be found, acts faire&s;t, And as to Mr. <HI>Lur|ting</HI>'s and Mr. <HI>Warren</HI>'s going to the <HI>Streights</HI> or <HI>We&s;t-Indies,</HI> they are &s;till as ready on a good Account, though not to &s;atisfy the impertinent Demands of every mercenary Scribler. But the Envy and Oppo&s;ition this Invention meets with, is one very great Argument, among&s;t the re&s;t, to convince us of the Value and Greatne&s;s thereof; and if this Author was really ju&s;t, and as kind as he would &s;eem, he would never have writ &s;o much upon a Mi&s;take; but have fir&s;t fully informed him&s;elf, lea&s;t he &s;hould injure his Friends as well as Mankind; for if the Invention be real, and he ob&s;tructs its Progre&s;s, he not only bereaves Mankind of the Benefit, but the Sub&s;cribers of the Gain they might have reaped thereby, &s;o that as on one hand he may &s;ave them the lo&s;s of One Pound, &s;o on the other hand he may hinder them the Gain of Ten Pounds; and to &s;uch as know the Invention, the la&s;t is much more likely than the fir&s;t. Then he goes on with his Pre&s;umption to make us the Authors of the News in the <HI>Flying-Po&s;t;</HI> which News, though true in it &s;elf, as may be made appear by cre|dible Witne&s;&s;es, yet we don't think our &s;elves obliged to an&s;wer for Informations given to the News-Writers.</P>
<P N="7">7thly, He at la&s;t, like a Man a little come to him&s;elf, con&s;iders what Errors the Heat of his Pa&s;&s;ion, and the Di&s;appointment he hath met with, hath drawn him into, returns and &s;ays, he would do any thing rather than le&s;&s;en the Reputation of any Propo&s;al that &s;hould tend to the Advantage of Mankind; the Con&s;i&s;tency whereof, with the Contents of his Epi&s;tle, both before and in the next Paragraph, concerning the World in the Moon, we recommend to the rea&s;onable part of Mankind to con&s;i|der, and doubt not but Truth and Rea&s;on will prevail over Malice and Folly, and &s;ubmit the whole to the Judgment of the Impartial; who no doubt but will appa|rently &s;ee (as at fir&s;t hinted) this Author was bya&s;&s;ed meerly by his Intere&s;t and there|fore de&s;erves to have what he has written to be &s;hrewdly &s;u&s;pected, and conclude an&s;wering his Fal&s;e and Scandalous Epi&s;tle, refering the Reader to the other Papers Printed, concerning this Invention.</P>
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<P>As to the Adverti&s;ements of Mr. <HI>Lurting</HI> and Mr. <HI>Warren,</HI> concerning the Certi|ficate under their Hands, we can do no le&s;s than as a Demon&s;tration of our Since|rity, acknowledge that their Te&s;timony and Caution again&s;t the evil Practices of &s;candalous Stock-jobbing, <HI>&amp;c.</HI> is highly commendable, and al&s;o join with them therein; but there is one thing to be noted, That the &s;aid Mr. <HI>Lurting</HI> and Mr. <HI>War|ren</HI> (as we believe) through mi&s;under&s;tanding, conceived that People had ground to think by the printed Propo&s;als, that the Experiment had been made and appro|ved by a Ship at Sea, which was never by us pretended to by Word or Writing, in any wi&s;e what&s;oever, as may plainly appear by the Certificate, and hope, That that will be a &s;ufficient Demon&s;tration, and may &s;erve to &s;atisfie and undeceive any that may have &s;o mi&s;taken it.</P>
<P><HI>Secondly,</HI> We own that neither they nor any other, which &s;igned the Certificate, were in any wi&s;e concerned in dividing the Invention, and Letters Patents into Shares, neither did they or we ever &s;ay, That they were <HI>bona fide</HI> worth 20 <HI>l. per</HI> Share, tho' there are &s;everal concerned that do value them as mentioned in the printed Pro|po&s;al, and &s;ome at a far higher Rate; and are very unea&s;ie and unwillingly joined with us in our new Method, they judging that we much undervalue the Invention, in propo&s;ing the Shares at &s;o ea&s;ie a Rate.</P>
<P>We are bound to return them Thanks for the Ju&s;tice they have done us, in own|ing the Ingenuity and Goodne&s;s of the Invention, for the Security of Shipping, and their con&s;cientious Care to prevent ra&s;h and unthinking People from prejudicing them&s;elves, is commendable, which cannot (as they them&s;elves may be &s;en&s;ible) now accrue, by any being concerned in our Invention.</P>
<P>And as to the little Adverti&s;ement &s;igned <HI>S. R.</HI> though &s;carce worth our taking notice of; for if the Author's Preten&s;ions are real, he need neither be a&s;hamed, nor afraid to own it, with his Name at length; for if he can add any thing fur|ther to what Mr. <HI>Oldner</HI> pretends to, he &s;hould not conceal it with that pr<GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="2 letters">ence, on purpo&s;e to hinder the World of partaking of what Mr. <HI>Oldner</HI>-offers, but his Thought (as him&s;elf owns) being &s;till imperfect, the World may <GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="1 span"> as long without this Invention, as hitherto it has been for him.</P>
<P>&rindx; <HI>Note,</HI> That we were threatned with the Pamphlet entituled, <HI>An Epi&s;tle,</HI> &amp;c. and the Adverti&s;ement &s;igned <HI>S. R.</HI> before they were publi&s;hed, (which now have &s;tyly &s;tolen into the World, like Foundlings into Pari&s;hes) for not admitting the Authors thereof into our Invention <HI>Gratis.</HI></P>
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