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<HEAD>LYING ALLOWABLE WITH PAPISTS TO DECEIVE PROTESTANTS: IN A LETTER written by a Mini&s;ter of the Church of <HI>England,</HI> to &s;atisfie a Friend who was much &s;tagger'd at the reading the SPEECHES Of the late <HI>TRAYTORS,</HI> Who at their DEATH, <HI>June</HI> 25. 1679. &s;o confidently af|firmed their INNOCENCY.</HEAD>
<OPENER><SALUTE>SIR,</SALUTE></OPENER>
<P>THat any man, having the u&s;e of their Rea&s;on, and all the powers of their Soul vigorous and active, &s;hould be &s;o hardned, as in the great and la&s;t hour of Death to out-face Truth, and with ama|zing Imprecations proclaim them&s;elves Innocent of any Fact, which by &s;ufficient Evidence and Circum&s;tance hath been proved again&s;t them, is a thing &s;o incredible to all &s;ober Chri&s;tians, that the Prote&s;tations and A&s;&s;everations of the late Prie&s;ts in this kind (who &s;uffer'd as &s;o many Malefactors) have been ready to leave upon the minds of &s;ome men, as well as you (even <HI>Prote&s;tants</HI>) &s;uch impre&s;&s;ions as the&s;e; that doubtle&s;s they &s;pake Truth at Death, were wrongfully Condemned, died for that of which they were not Guilty; and con&s;equently, that the Kings Evidence who &s;wore again&s;t them, are highly perjured, and deeply guilty of their Innocent Blood: For who can imagine they &s;hould dare to go before the Great and Eternal Judge of all the VVorld with a Lye in their mouths? But if we con&s;ider the Principles and Practices of the&s;e men, this may &s;eem no wonder at all, for what we call a Lye, they count none; or if it be &s;o, yet tell us 'tis both lawful and nece&s;&s;ary at &s;ome times to lye, and out-face the Truth, even with Oaths: VVe mu&s;t believe that every of the&s;e men received Plenary Ab&s;olution for all their &s;ins, from their Birth to that day
<PB N="2" REF="2">upon which they died; upon which Ab&s;olution they may affirm them&s;elves as free from, and as Innocent of any Crime laid to their Charge, as the Child unborn, becau&s;e whatever the Crime is, 'tis forgiven: And &s;uppo|&s;ing they did &s;in in their Declaration of their Innocency at the place of Exe|cution, which the former Ab&s;olution could not reach, yet they might &s;afely do it, having a power to ab&s;olve each other ju&s;t as they were going out of the VVorld, as 'tis believed they did when they laid their Heads together in the Carts; which Ab&s;olution &s;ends them perfect Innocents to Heaven, in their Opinion. Moreover, if to rob, &s;poil, kill <HI>Prote&s;tants,</HI> burn their Ci|ties, <HI>&amp;c.</HI> if to depo&s;e Heretical Princes from their Crowns and Kingdoms, and ab&s;olve their Subjects from their Allegiances, (to which by Oaths they &s;tand fa&s;t bound) if the&s;e be no &s;ins (as in their account they are not) then they may declare them&s;elves Innocent, though never &s;o guilty in our e&s;teem and judgment. Now that &s;uch Trayterous and bloody de&s;igns and under|takings are not only not &s;inful, but good and lawful, we will bring &s;ome of their own Party to ju&s;tifie.&mdash;For they tell us, 'tis no &s;in for <HI>Romani&s;ts</HI> to take from tho&s;e whom they count Hereticks all that they have, all they have being by Sentence of Law confi&s;cated: This is concluded by a whole Council; <HI>Bona ip&s;orum (&s;cil. Haeret.) ip&s;o facto applicantur fi&s;co. Concil. La|ter. &s;ub</HI> Innoc. 2. And <HI>Sylve&s;ter</HI> &s;aith, that all whoever may rob and &s;poil Hereticks, and if it cannot be otherwi&s;e accompli&s;hed, it may be done by force of Arms; his words are, <HI>Si aliter feri non pote&s;t, manu armata &s;unt eis omnia bona auferenda.</HI> Sylve&s;t. <HI>n.</HI> 23. <HI>q.</HI> 3. <HI>c.</HI> 1. And that we may be &s;ure this is lawful, one of their <HI>Popes</HI> (who is held Infallible) hath thus determi|ned, that all Prelates and Princes, even Kings and Emperours that are Here|ticks, &s;hould be, and &s;hould be under&s;tood to be deprived of all their Benefi|ces, States, Kingdoms, and Empires, without farther Declaration, and un|capable to be re&s;tored to them, even by the Apo&s;tolick See (old Hold-fa&s;t) and their Goods, States and Kingdoms &s;hall be under&s;tood to be common, and to belong to tho&s;e <HI>Catholicks</HI> who can get them: A Con&s;titution of Pope <HI>Paul</HI> 4. declares this: And you may &s;ee more of this in <HI>Hi&s;t. Conc.</HI> of <HI>Tr. lib.</HI> 5. <HI>p.</HI> 409. and in <HI>In&s;titut. Cathol. Tit.</HI> 45. <HI>Sect.</HI> 13: &s;o that whatever Mi&s;demeanours or Trea&s;ons they act or contrive again&s;t the King, or his un|doubted Rights, or again&s;t his Subjects, being convicted and condemned as Traytors, they may &s;afely deny it, and proclaim them&s;elves innocent; that is, not guilty of Trea&s;on (laid to their charge) becau&s;e they cannot be guil|ty of any &s;uch thing again&s;t an Heretical King, or Prince, who&s;e Crowns and. Kingdoms are not his own, but theirs, if they can catch them: Be&s;ides, if the&s;e men may dally with Oaths, &s;wear, and yet not hold them&s;elves bound by any Oath, if the breach of it may make for their advantage, why &s;hould we wonder to hear them deny the Truth, where the confe&s;&s;ion of it might do them and their Cau&s;e &s;ome injury: As to that of Oaths, let us hear what their VVriters &s;ay, <HI>Licet jurare cum aequivocatione, D: Tho: Scotus, Paladanus, Gabriel, Sylve&s;ter, Soto,</HI> and multitudes more of their VVriters ju&s;tifie this: But more fully, let us hear what another &s;aith to this point; <HI>Qui alio &s;en&s;u jurat quam alter intelligat, non peccat, modo ju&s;tam babet cau|&s;am ita jurandi&mdash;ju&s;ta autem cau&s;a utendi his verbis (amphibologicis) e&s;t ne|ce&s;&s;itas aut utilitatis corporis, aut honoris, aut verum familiarium&mdash;Ex quo &s;e|quitur, non e&s;&s;e illicitum uti verbis amphibologicis, addendo re&s;trictionem ali|quam in mente retentam, quoties aliquid incommodi, vel injuriae nobis impendet
<PB N="3" REF="2">loquendo ad mentem in <GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="2 letters">rrogantis, ade&s;t enim ju&s;ta cau&s;a ita loquendi, Bonacin: Tom:</HI> 2: <HI>di&s;p:</HI> 4: <HI>que&s;t:</HI> 1: <HI>pun<GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="1 letter">t:</HI> 12: <HI>n:</HI> 2, 3, 4: Now &s;hould <HI>Gavern, White|bread,</HI> and the re&s;t have confe&s;&s;ed there was a Plot going on again&s;t his Ma|je&s;ties Life and Government, and that they were guilty Actors in it, this would have done great damage to their Party and Religion among&s;t us; and &s;eeing they may obviate that evil, and make the credulous VVorld be|lieve they are Innocent of all &s;uch Principles and Practices, by a &s;ingle Lye, why &s;hould we think they &s;hould &s;tick at that, when they may &s;wallow Oaths, and &s;wear what they plea&s;e for their Commodity, and to avoid in|jury, and yet be ju&s;tified as Innocent Per&s;ons by their Heads and Guides: And 'tis as much to be admired, that &s;o knowing a Je&s;uit as <HI>Gavern</HI> was, &s;hould affirm the <HI>Papi&s;ts</HI> allowed not the depo&s;ing of Kings, Ab&s;olution from Oaths, <HI>&amp;c.</HI> as that he was Innocent of the Fact or Crime for which he died: For whether he &s;pake truth in the latter, I am not able to &s;ay; but that the former is fal&s;e, every one that is at all read in their own Schoolmen and Do|ctors can te&s;tifie; and if he made no Con&s;cience to lye in the one (as we are &s;ure he doth) I can &s;ee no rea&s;on to think he did in the other, e&s;pecially &s;ince we are told that <HI>mendacium &s;i alium non habet maculam quam fal&s;itatis, non e&s;t mortale,</HI> (<HI>Patet,</HI> &s;aith the Author) <HI>quia non e&s;t contra Religionem (Ro|manam) Soto: l:</HI> 5: <HI>q:</HI> 7: <HI>art:</HI> 4: <HI>p:</HI> 168: And to vanqui&s;h all wonder of the&s;e mens ju&s;tifying them&s;elves, and to &s;hew that a Lye will never choak a Po|pi&s;h Prie&s;t, it is a &s;tanding Precept among all their Doctors, that a Prie&s;t be|ing asked by a Judge, whether he knows &s;uch a thing by Confe&s;&s;ion? he may an&s;wer no, though he doth know it, and the revealing of it be nece&s;&s;ary to &s;ave a Prince or a Nation from ruine: Take it in their own words;&mdash;<HI>Certum e&s;t obligationem hujus praecepti tantam e&s;&s;e, ut in nulla Ca&s;u, &amp; propter nullam finem, etiam pro tuenda tota repub. ab ingenti malo temporali aut &s;pi|rituali, violare illud liceat: Sic ait Durand: Scotus, Palud. Major: Capriol: Gabriel, Alen&s;is, Adrian, Cajetan, Lod&s;man in Suar: Tom:</HI> 34: <HI>di&s;p:</HI> 33: <HI>Sect:</HI> 1: <HI>n:</HI> 2: <HI>Et &s;ic doce<GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="1 letter">t omnes Theologi contra unum Alti&s;iod:</HI> Here is not only a permi&s;&s;ion, but a &s;trong Precept and Injunction for Prie&s;ts to deny the Truth, to elude Authority by Equivocation, bla&s;pheming God, lying and &s;wearing in open Court, though it be to the temporal or &s;piritual ruine of the whole Republick, and they &s;hall be ju&s;tified in it by all their rare Saints, and learned Doctors; and if in open Court, why not at place of Executi|on? where a free and ingenuous Confe&s;&s;ion might have cau&s;ed the appre|hen&s;ion of many more Prie&s;ts and Confederates, and utterly ob&s;tructed their farther Progre&s;s in altering the Government of the Kingdom, and have gi|ven &s;uch a Blow to Popery, as it &s;hould never have been able to have held up its Head again in this Nation, or &s;o weakned it, that all future endea|vours to bring it in, mu&s;t have proved abortive. And is this to be expect|ed from them at any time in Life or Death, who come hither with full Commi&s;&s;ions, and fixed Re&s;olutions, to promote it, and hazard their lives to accompli&s;h their ends? No, they mu&s;t rather &s;tifle the Truth, and like <HI>Romes</HI> Champions, out-brave Death and Judgment, and &s;acrifice Soul and Body to the Churches Intere&s;t, than do &s;o great &s;ervice for Hereticks, as to prevent their ruine, either Temporal or Spiritual, by a cowardly confe&s;&s;ion of Truth at la&s;t. As a &s;incere Chri&s;tian would (and ought to) die rather than betray the Truth and Church of Chri&s;t into the Enemies hands; &s;o the&s;e Heroes of <HI>Rome</HI> will rather &s;uffer a thou&s;and Deaths, than di&s;clo&s;e the
<PB N="4" REF="3" MS="y">Popes de&s;igns again&s;t &s;uch Dogs, Wolves, Serpents, as we (Hereticks) are glorying as much in their &s;ufferings, as any true Martyr of Chri&s;t can; and for this their Fidelity and Magnanimity in the Cau&s;e, even to Death, &s;hall be Sainted and Canonized by their Holy Father: In my Opinion it would be much more &s;trange, to hear any Prie&s;t or <HI>Papi&s;t</HI> confe&s;s him&s;elf guilty of any evil again&s;t <HI>Prote&s;tants,</HI> than to deny it; &s;ince they do not look upon us equally worthy to live with bruit Bea&s;ts, mo&s;t worthy of the greate&s;t de|&s;truction, and a laudable work in them to ha&s;ten it upon us: Could we &s;ee one of them really converted to <HI>Prote&s;tanti&s;m,</HI> and the true Religion, we might expect a di&s;covery at death of the Popi&s;h de&s;igns: But &s;o long as they declare they die <HI>Romani&s;ts,</HI> 'tis mighty folly once to dream of any Confe&s;&s;ion from them in favour of us, or by which our Church may reap the lea&s;t benefit or &s;afety; for this were in one moment to tumble down, what for many years they have been rearing up, and had rather than their lives &s;hould be carried on to perfection; <HI>viz.</HI> to bring this Kingdom once more to the Pope's Lure, that once more that mon&s;trous Bea&s;t of <HI>Rome</HI> might ride us: And do you think, now he is gotten &s;o high, that one lift more had thrown him into the Saddle, they will, by a Confe&s;&s;ion of his and their own Villany, pull the good old man back? no, They honour him and hate us too much to do any &s;uch thing: Therefore however tho&s;e men behaved them&s;elves, or whatever they affirmed or denyed at death, let us not be &s;o over-credulous as to think their Brethren (tho&s;e Wolves that yet remain among&s;t us) are a Company of innocent Lambs, and have no de&s;igns again&s;t us; who doubtle&s;s Glory in the confidence and faithfulne&s;s of tho&s;e that are gone before, and are carrying on a mo&s;t cruel and horrid de|&s;ign and Plot again&s;t us, again&s;t our Gracious King, (whom God pre&s;erve) his Government both in Church and State, and again&s;t the lives of his Prote&s;tant Subjects: And yet &s;hould any of them hereafter be brought to the like condign puni&s;hment for their Murderous and Traiterous Projects and Proceedings (as we hope they will if they go on) you &s;hall find they will declare them&s;elves as innocent and guiltle&s;s as any of the former; for &s;uch is their Zeal for the Cau&s;e, and confidence in his Holine&s;s,: that they had ra|ther dye with the Pope's Pardon, than live with his Maje&s;ty's.</P>
<Q LANG="lat"><P>Mendacium &s;i non habet aliam maculam quam fal&s;itatis, non e&s;t mor|tale peccatum.</P>
<BIBL><HI>Soto.</HI></BIBL></Q>
<Q LANG="lat"><P>Pote&s;t quis dum moritur, habere voluntatem permanendi in p<GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="1 letter">ccato veni|ali,</P> <BIBL><HI>Bellarm.</HI> de purgat. l. <HI>1.</HI> c. <HI>7.</HI> p. <HI>1359.</HI></BIBL></Q>
<Q><P>Pote&s;t quis mori in complacentia peccati,</P>
<BIBL>ib. 1370. &amp; &s;alvari. Sylve&s;t. &s;um. v. contritio. n. 3.</BIBL></Q>
<P>With them a &s;imple Lye is a venial &s;in, and they &s;ay a man may re|&s;olve to continue in venial &s;in till death, and yet be &s;aved.</P>
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