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<NAME>Colm MacCrossan</NAME>
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<P>A PAPER Delivered in by
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<ITEM>Dr. <HI>Al&s;ton.</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM>Dr. <HI>Hamens</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM>Dr. <HI>Bates.</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM>Dr. <HI>Micklethwait.</HI></ITEM>
</LIST> ON <HI>Monday</HI> the 16. of <HI>October,</HI> 1648. to the Honorable Committee FOR <HI>Bathes and Bath-Stoves.</HI> FROM The Colledge of Phy&s;itians in <HI>London.</HI> TOGETHER, With an An&s;wer thereunto. By <HI>Peter Chamberlen.</HI> Dr. in Phy&s;ick, and Fell. of the &s;aid Colledge.</P>
<P>LONDON, Printed in the yeare 1648.</P>
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<HEAD>The Committee being &s;et the third time in expectation of what Ob|jections the Colledge would offer again&s;t the Ordinance for publike artificiall <HI>Bathes, &amp; Bath-Stoves,</HI> or whether they would approve of them.</HEAD>
<P>Dr. Al&s;ton began as followeth, in the&s;e or the like words and Phra&s;es.</P>
<P>_THe Colledge commanded me to return humble thanks to the Honorable Co~|mittee for not giving con&s;ent to the Ordinance of Bathes, without them. (Then he proceeded) Having the fear of God before our eyes, and the good of the Common-wealth, The Col|ledge do by us return this An&s;wer to the Honorable Committee, that they do not think fit the erecting of publike Bathes &s;hould be granted to Dr. <HI>Chamberlen,</HI> and they think them hurtfull to the Common-wealth.</P>
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<P>And the Colledg de&s;ires that this honourable Com|mittee &s;ignifie &s;o much unto the honorable Ho&s;e.</P>
<P>Then the Committee asked if they had not brought their An&s;wer in writing, whereupon they pre&s;ented their Paper as followeth:</P>
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<HEAD>To the Honourable, the Committee for Bathes.</HEAD>
<P>THe Pre&s;ident and Colledge of Phy&s;itians return their humble thanks to this Honorable Committee for your favour unto them, and humbly repre&s;ent that &s;ince the Ho|norable Committee is plea&s;ed to re&s;olve not to enjoyn Dr. <HI>Chamberlen</HI> to attend the Colledge concerning his De&s;ign of <HI>Bathes,</HI> they can give no &s;atisfactory An&s;wer therein, Onely whereas publike Bathes have been by their abu&s;e, the Cau&s;es in the <HI>Greek</HI> and <HI>Roman</HI> States, (where there was greater nece&s;&s;ity, and le&s;&s;e danger of them then in our cold clyme) of &s;o much Phy&s;icall prejudice, effeminating bodies, and procuring infirmities, and morall in debauching the manners of the people, that in either of them upon the coming of the Chri&s;tians into power, they were demoli&s;h|ed or converted into other u&s;es; And whereas for private u&s;e there are in the hou&s;es of divers per&s;ons of this King|dom, Cradles, Tubbs, Boxes, Chayres, Bathes, and Bathe-Stoves, in which by the help of Fumes, Vapors, water, Oyle, &amp;c. according to the pre&s;cription of Phy&s;itians, &s;weat may be procured, payne a&s;&s;waged, and all nece&s;&s;ary ends of ba|thing attained. The Pre&s;ident and Colledge are &s;o confi|dent of, and pre&s;ume &s;o much upon the wi&s;dom and ju&s;tice of this honourable Committee, &amp; the two Hou&s;es of Parlia|ment, that they believe, if that it &s;hall plea&s;e them to em|power the &s;aid Dr. <HI>Chamberlen</HI> by any Ordinance for e|rection
<PB N="3" REF="3" MS="y">of publike Bathes, they will &s;o regulate his de&s;ign, make &s;uch provi&s;ion, and take &s;uch caution from him, that none of the afore-mentioned inconveniences &s;hall follow. And that they will neither infringe the ju&s;t liberty of the Subject, nor abridge other Phy&s;itions in the choyce of their in&s;truments, or legall practi&s;e of any part of their Art.</P>
<CLOSER><SIGNED>Fran. Prujean Collegii Medicorum. Londinen&s;ium Regis&s;tarius.</SIGNED>
<SIGNED>This is a true Copy. <HI>Leo. C<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="KEYERS" EXTENT="1 letter">pley.</HI></SIGNED></CLOSER>
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<HEAD>To the honorable Committe for Bathes, The humble An&s;wer of <HI>Peter Chamberlen,</HI> Doctor in Phy&s;ick, and Fellow of the Colledge of Phy&s;i|tians in <HI>London,</HI> to a Paper deli|vered to the honorable Committe, by Dr. <HI>Al&s;ton,</HI> Dr. <HI>Hameus,</HI> Doct. <HI>Bates,</HI> and Dr. <HI>Micklethwait,</HI> from the Pre&s;ident, and others of the &s;aid Colledge. In humble obedience to Command of this Honourable Committee, &amp; in An&s;wer to the Colledg Paper.</HEAD>
<P>IN the fir&s;t place, I &s;ay, I willingly pa&s;&s;e by all per|&s;onal aymes, be it in the mention of my not atten|dance, (which they are cau&s;e of) or in their grand Caveats enjoyned by them on this honourable Committee, and the two Hou&s;es of Parliament,
<PB N="4" REF="4">upon their Wi&s;doms and Ju&s;tice, If they &s;hall empower mee, &amp;c. or in their many arguments of Abu&s;e to pre|vent that IF. And am re&s;olved (as God &s;hall enable me) to &s;wallow all private reproach and &s;corn, that runs not too much on the publick &s;core.</P>
<P>Secondly, concerning the Matter it &s;elf, I humbly an|&s;wer, that the Colledg have quite mi&s;taken it; for I pre|&s;ented only the U&s;e of Publick Bathes, and they meddle only with the Abu&s;e of them. Alas, who knows not, that the Abu&s;e of wine cau&s;eth drunkenne&s;&s;e; the abu&s;e of women, whoredome; the abu&s;e of meats, gluttony; and the abu&s;e of Phy&s;ick, poy&s;on?</P>
<P>Thirdly, I fear they have too much for&s;aken the Au|thors of our own Faculty, to &s;ide with Poets and the &s;u|per&s;titious beginnings of Antichri&s;t, in the aggravations of tho&s;e Abu&s;es.</P>
<P>Fourthly, I doubt whether they have not mi&s;taken the jealous zeal of tho&s;e Religious Fathers that writ again&s;t them; for the in&s;ulting Barbari&s;mes of the <HI>Gothes</HI> and <HI>Vandales,</HI> and other conquering Nations, in demoli&s;hing tho&s;e &s;tately Buildings. And whether the &s;elf-&s;ame wri|tings may not more, or as fitly be applyed unto the pri|vate Hou&s;es, and tho&s;e Accommodations mentioned in the Paper, Yea, to the Excellent and Famous Bathes of Som|mer&s;et&s;hire.</P>
<P>Fifthly, I perceive they con&s;ulted not well with Tra|vellers, when they affirm them all demoli&s;hed, or con|verted to other u&s;es in the Grecian and Romane Empires. For the truth is, that many of them being demoli&s;hed, Le&s;&s;er Pur&s;es, Power, and Lei&s;ure, have not been able to contend in State with the Trea&s;ure and Soveraignty of the whole world, which tho&s;e Emperours had that built them.</P>
<P>Sixthly, I doubt whether it be not a fundamental He|re&s;ie in Phy&s;ick, to nece&s;&s;itate hot Remedies (as Bathes) for hot Countries, and proclaim them dangerous in cold Clymes, notwith&s;tanding the daily Experience in Germa|ny,
<PB N="5" REF="4" MS="y">Poland, Denmark, &amp; Mu&s;covia, to the contrary. And the Great Canon of Phy&s;ick, <HI>contraria contrariis curantur,</HI></P>
<P>Seventhly, I do verily believe, and dare adventure my Life and E&s;tate upon it, that I can (by Gods ble&s;&s;ing) more &s;afely, certainly, &s;uddenly, and with more Ea&s;e, cure many (if not all curable) di&s;ea&s;es with them, then all our Colledg; yea, then All Phy&s;itians in the world can do without them. Yea, &s;uch di&s;ea&s;es as without them are wholly de&s;perate and deadly.</P>
<P>Eighthly, In An&s;wer to &s;ome tacit Jealou&s;ies, I do not do this purpo&s;ely to dimini&s;h the Practi&s;e of Phy&s;itians, but verily &s;uppo&s;e there may be a way propounded in them, both advantagious to them &amp; the Common-wealth.</P>
<P>Ninthly, I do not endeavour to engro&s;&s;e them to my &s;elf; but have from the beginning, and do &s;till humbly offer it unto the State, or any whom thay &s;hall appoint; wherein (if I do not) I verily believe that Dr. <HI>Grent</HI> will be the be&s;t able to &s;erve them.</P>
<P>La&s;tly, I profe&s;&s;e before God and men, that I believe the due u&s;e of them in all convenient places, may &s;ave above 10000 Lives a year. And that in faithfulne&s;&s;e to Almighty God, and my native Country, I have endea|voured this &s;ervice; from the which, if the honourable Parliament or Committee can di&s;charge me before the Great Judg, I &s;hall give mo&s;t humble thanks to God and Them, rejoycing to have &s;o e&s;caped the incen&s;ed Spirits of &s;o many learned men, as now oppo&s;e me.</P>
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