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<P>A Looking-Gla&s;s FOR GEORGE FOX THE QUAKER, And other QUAKERS; Wherein they may &s;ee them&s;elves to be Right Devils.</P>
<P>In ANSWER to <HI>George Fox</HI> his Book, CALLED, <HI>Something in An&s;wer to</HI> Lodowick Mug|gletons <HI>Book, which he calls</HI> The <HI>Q&V;AKERS</HI> Neck broken.</P>
<P>Wherein is &s;et forth the Ignorance and blindne&s;s of the Quakers Doctrine of Chri&s;t within them; and that they cannot, nor doth not know the true meaning of the Scri|ptures, neither have they the Gift of Interpreta|tion of Scripture.</P>
<P>As will appear in tho&s;e &s;everal Heads &s;et down in the next Page following.</P>
<P>Written by <HI>Lodowick Muggleton,</HI> one of the two la&s;t Prophets and Witne&s;&s;es unto the High and Mighty God, the Man Chri&s;t Je&s;us in Glory.</P>
<P>Printed in the Year 1667.</P>
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<HEAD>THE CONTENTS.</HEAD>
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<ITEM><HI>CHap. 1.</HI> Of a Catalogue of damned Quakers.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 2.</HI> Sheweth the ignorance and fooli&s;hne&s;s of <HI>George Fox.</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 3</HI> How the Quaker people are altogether ignorant of Heavenly Secrets, &s;o become the greate&s;t de&s;pi&s;ers of them.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 4.</HI> A di&s;covery of the Quakers blindne&s;s which cannot di&s;cern whether a man that preaches the Go&s;pel ought to have his Commi&s;&s;ion from Chri&s;t without him, or from a Chri&s;t within him.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 5.</HI> Sheweth how ignorant and dark the Quakers people are in the knowledge of the right devil, and of the &s;erpents &s;eed.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 6.</HI> How the &s;oul of man is mortal, and doth die, yet <HI>Fox</HI> thinks it impo&s;&s;ible to prove by Scripture.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap 7.</HI> How it was no lie to accu&s;e the Quakers of &s;in and bla&s;phemy.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 8.</HI> The right devil proved.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 9.</HI> How the Quakers are mi&s;taken in the fle&s;h and bone of Chri&s;t.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 10.</HI> How God hath made the Witne&s;&s;es of the Spirit Judge in his &s;tead.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 11.</HI> Sheweth that the body of Chri&s;ts fle&s;h and bone is di&s;tinct of it &s;elf, and not in the Quakers bodies, neither are they members of his body.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 12.</HI> Sheweth by Scripture how Chri&s;t dwelleth in his Saints, and how it may be &s;aid they are fle&s;h of his fl &s;h, and bone of his bone.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 13.</HI> How <HI>Fox</HI> is proved a devil, becau&s;e he cannot give a rea|&s;on that he is no reprobate.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 14.</HI> An Explanation how <HI>George Fox</HI> and other Quakers, may be &s;aid to appear before the Judgement-&s;eat of Chri&s;t.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 15.</HI> A further Interpretation concerning the Judgement-&s;eat of Chri&s;t.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 16.</HI> How the Sentence and Cur&s;e hath &s;ubdued tho&s;e Witch|craft-fits in the Quakers.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 17.</HI> How &s;pirits cannot a&s;&s;ume what &s;hapes they plea&s;e, neither can there appear any &s;pirit without a body.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 18.</HI> How the true God is no bigger than the compa&s;s of a man, and no &s;pirit without a body, as the Quakers doth vainly imagine.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap 19.</HI> How the Quakers may &s;ee them&s;elves to be right devils.</ITEM>
<ITEM><PB REF="5"><HI>Chap 20.</HI> How the Quakers are more Antichri&s;tian in their doctrine, than the Pope.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 21.</HI> How the body of Chri&s;ts fle&s;h and bone is di&s;tinct from the Quakers bodies.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 22.</HI> That which killed the righteous and ju&s;t, it was the &s;pirit of rea&s;on the devil in man that always did it.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 23.</HI> A difference between rea&s;onable and unrea&s;onable men, and a further di&s;covery that rea&s;on is the devil.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 24.</HI> How the &s;oul of Chri&s;t died, and the ignorance of the Qua|kers di&s;covered in the death of their own &s;ouls.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 25.</HI> It is proved that Chri&s;t the onely God is not in this world at all, in his per&s;on or e&s;&s;ence.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 26.</HI> How men cannot wor&s;hip God in &s;pirit and truth without bodies, and how <HI>Muggleton</HI> never was in the &s;pirit of <HI>Solomon,</HI> nor never &s;hall be.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 27.</HI> A great &s;tir the Prophet <HI>Muggleton</HI> hath to keep the Qua|kers &s;pirits out of Chri&s;t.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 28.</HI> How <HI>Fox</HI> ju&s;tifies the Magi&s;trates per&s;ecuting of me in <HI>Dar|by&s;hire.</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 29.</HI> How the Cur&s;e of <HI>Muggleton</HI> &s;hall remain upon <HI>Fox</HI> to eternity.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 30.</HI> How the Cur&s;e and Sentence of <HI>Muggleton</HI> &s;hall be over, and upon the &s;pirits of the Quakers to eternity.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 31.</HI> How the Law written in the Quakers herats, is that Chri&s;t they could have &s;poken in had they never &s;een letter of Scripture, nor man that profe&s;&s;eth it.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 32.</HI> How their confidence will fail them in the day of trouble.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 33.</HI> How <HI>Fox</HI> &s;hall &s;ee no other God or Judge, but that Sen|tence <HI>Reeve</HI> and <HI>Muggleton</HI> hath pa&s;&s;ed upon him.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 34.</HI> A reproof the Quakers for rejoycing in my &s;ufferings, and be|ing &s;orry the Magi&s;trates did not puni&s;h me more than impri&s;onment.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 35.</HI> How it doth belong unto mortal men that are cho&s;en of God to interpret Scripture, and not unto Chri&s;t him&s;elf.</ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chap. 36.</HI> How every true Prophet and Mini&s;ter of Chri&s;t, hath power to open the Book of Con&s;cience.</ITEM>
<ITEM>In the la&s;t place I &s;hall &s;ay &s;omething as to the Quakers Principle and Practice.</ITEM>
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<HEAD>A Looking-Gla&s;s for <HI>George Fox</HI> the Quaker, <HI>&amp;c.</HI></HEAD>
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<HEAD>CHAP. I.</HEAD>
<P><HI>_GEorge Fox,</HI> I &s;aw a Pamphlet of yours, Entituled, <HI>Some|thing in An&s;wer to</HI> Lodowick Muggletons <HI>Book, which he calls</HI> The Quakers Neck broken.</P>
<P>You &s;aid well in that you &s;aid, &s;omething in An&s;wer to that Book of the <HI>Quakers Neck broken,</HI> for it is a very little &s;ome|thing indeed; it is &s;o little a &s;omething, that wi&s;e men will hardly di&s;cern any thing in it as a direct An&s;wer: but how comes it to pa&s;s that you make no mention of your own damnation in your An|&s;wer; you know <HI>John Reeve</HI> and my &s;elf gave you the Sentence of Damnation a matter of fourteen years ago; when we were pri&s;on|ers in <HI>Old Bridewel,</HI> there was you, <HI>Edward Borroughs,</HI> and <HI>Francis Howgel,</HI> you three were counted the Chief Speakers of the Quakers at that time, and you three were the fir&s;t Speakers of the Quakers that were damn'd by us the Witne&s;&s;es of the Spirit, but &s;ince that there hath fallen a many more of your brethren under this Sen|tence; but you have been <HI>Fox</HI>-like, as is your name, &s;o is your na|ture, you have lain &s;till, and kept your damnation to your &s;elf from the knowledge of others, becau&s;e you would not be upon pub|lick Record as a damn'd Devil, and yet a Speaker of the Quakers.</P>
<P>Al&s;o you read of your name in that Book, you &s;ay you have an|&s;wered &s;omething, but you take no notice of your &s;elf, but take o|ther folks parts; and if your brethren <HI>William Smith, Samuel Hoo|ton, Edward Bourn, Richard Farn&s;worth,</HI> had not written to me, there would have been no occa&s;ion for the <HI>Fox</HI> to come out of his hole, and now the <HI>Fox</HI> is come out, he will be catcht and made ma|nife&s;t to Generations to come, who pretended to be a means of &s;alvation to others, and yet he him&s;elf a ca&s;t-away, a reprobate, a &s;on of the Devil, one that &s;hall be recorded among&s;t the dam|ned Crew to the worlds end, and I am &s;ure your Damnation is
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written in the Tables of Heaven, even as the Law of <HI>Mo&s;es</HI> was written in the Tables of Stone, that is, the&s;e men were written the &s;eed of the Serpent in Heaven in the Reprobate Angel his nature, before he deceived <HI>Evah;</HI> for you Speakers of the Quakers doth act forth the Serpent Angel his nature, thinking your &s;elves wi&s;er than God, as he did; he thought if he had been God, he could have made all tho&s;e glorious Creatures above the &s;tars of nothing; even &s;o be you Quakers here in mortality, you teach your di&s;ciples to believe that God made this va&s;t Earth and Waters of nothing, witne&s;s that <HI>Thomas Taylor</HI> Speaker of the Quakers, in his Letters to me, which I have given An&s;wer to, and joyn'd it to the Book called <HI>The Quakers Neck broken;</HI> and you <HI>Fox</HI> and others of your Speakers doth the &s;ame, for you &s;ay you were in Chri&s;t before the world was, here you are quite mi&s;taken, for you were in the Reprobate Angel his &s;eed and nature, who is called a <HI>Serpent,</HI> and in this Serpent Angel you and others were in before the world was, and &s;o you and others were recorded in the Table of Heaven for the Reprobate &s;eed, and to be damned to eternity.</P>
<P>And as I know from whence you came, even from the Serpent afore&s;aid, and that you were in him before the world was, &s;o like|wi&s;e you &s;hall be recorded for damned devils here while the world is, as long as time doth la&s;t, therefore I &s;hall &s;et you down as fol|loweth, you being one of the grand Devils, you &s;hall be fir&s;t:</P>
<P><HI>George Fox, Edward Borroughs, Francis Howgel, Edward Bourn, William Smith, Samuel Hooton, Richard Farn&s;worth, Thomas Taylor, John Parrat, Richard Whitpane, John Harwood, Richard Hubor|thorn, Fox</HI> the younger, and that great lubbardly fellow &s;poken of in <HI>The Quakers Neck broken,</HI> the&s;e were generally all, or mo&s;t of them Speakers of the Quakers, and exerci&s;ed the Mini&s;terial prea|ching without a Commi&s;&s;ion from God, and not onely &s;o, but they have been the greate&s;t fighters again&s;t a per&s;onal God in Heaven above the &s;tars of any, and have &s;inned again&s;t the Holy Spirit that &s;ent us, and &s;o have procured the Sentence of eternal Damnation upon them, and this Record is true, and it &s;hall be recorded in the hearts of the Saints to the worlds end.</P>
<P>Now I &s;hall give you an An&s;wer to what is needful in <HI>George Fox</HI> his Book, if there be any thing in it that is not &s;ufficiently An|&s;wered already in <HI>The Quakers Neck broken,</HI> I am willing to do it
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for the &s;akes of &s;ome that de&s;ire it, becau&s;e I hear the Quakers are very brag of this Book <HI>George Fox</HI> hath writ again&s;t me, &s;o they were when <HI>Richard Farn&s;worth</HI> printed his Rage and Malice again&s;t me, but did he pro&s;per afterwards when I had printed an An&s;wer to it? For that printed Pamphlet was the occa&s;ion of <HI>The Quakers Neck broken</HI> being printed; and doth <HI>George Fox</HI> think to pro&s;per now he hath manife&s;ted him&s;elf what he is? and his great wi&s;dom which &s;ome thought he had, will be found but meer fooli&s;hne&s;s.</P>
<P>But to the matter in hand. The fir&s;t Accu&s;ation that I am ac|cu&s;ed with, is as followeth, <HI>That I &s;ay in</HI> The Quakers Neck bro|ken, <HI>that the Quakers will not be&s;tow a penny in any Writings but their own, let it co&s;t them never &s;o much pains the writing, and charge in printing.</HI></P>
<P>This <HI>George Fox</HI> &s;aith is a lye, known to the Printers and Sta|tioners, and Book-&s;ellers at <HI>London:</HI> and <HI>George Fox</HI> hath called me a Lier &s;even times for this one lye, as he calls it, yet I &s;hall make it appear I told no lye in tho&s;e words, to &s;ay the Quakers will not be&s;tow a penny in any Writings but their own, let them co&s;t ever &s;o much pains the writing, and charge the printing.</P>
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<HEAD>CHAP. II. <HI>Lodowick Muggleton's</HI> An&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>FIr&s;t, I would have the Reader to minde the ignorance and fooli&s;hne&s;s of this <HI>George Fox,</HI> he undertakes to an&s;wer &s;ome things in my Book called <HI>The Quakers Neck broken,</HI> and the fir&s;t thing he begins to an&s;wer is the la&s;t thing in my Book, for it is the la&s;t page of my Book, and it is a point of the lea&s;t concernment to a mans eternal happine&s;s of any in that Book, but <HI>George Fox</HI> hath made it of the greate&s;t concernment of all the re&s;t; therefore he begins with that fir&s;t, and &s;ets it in the Fore-front of his Pamphlet, to &s;hew his Ma&s;ter-piece; for he hath &s;et the Cart before the hor&s;e, for he begins at the latter end of the Book and &s;o goes backwards towards the beginning, and charges me with a lying &s;pirit &s;even times in this one thing, as if this was the mo&s;t hainous &s;in of all o|ther &s;ins, that to &s;ay the Quakers would not be&s;tow a penny up|on any Writings but their own, this is counted a &s;even-fold wor&s;e
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&s;in, than any other &s;in what&s;oever: Let the Reader but minde the&s;e things afore&s;aid, and what I &s;hall &s;ay in an&s;wer to <HI>George Fox</HI> his printed Pamphlet.</P>
<P>Fir&s;t, <HI>George Fox</HI> hath gone on like an unwi&s;e, &s;imple, fooli&s;h man, no ways in order, but confu&s;ed, to begin at the latter end of a Book, and end at the beginning, and catch a bit here, and &s;nap at a bit in another place, and wrong the words, and write &s;ome part of a &s;entence that &s;erves his turn, and leaves the other part out that would make again&s;t him, or clear the matter, this he leaves out. Now I do commend <HI>William Smith</HI> and <HI>Richard Farn&s;|worth,</HI> though they are damned Devils, yet they went orderly to work, they named my words right as they were &s;et down, and they rayled again&s;t me in order, and &s;o went on from point to point in order: but you <HI>George Fox,</HI> your An&s;wer is confu&s;ed, for the afore&s;aid Quakers had a great deal more wi&s;dom in their Wri|tings again&s;t me than you have. Becau&s;e I &s;peak of order, you Quakers may think I mean good order, and &s;o the afore&s;aid men were good men, [no] but they went in the method and order of Rea&s;on the Devil; in the wi&s;dom of Rea&s;on did they write to me, and I was well plea&s;ed with it, becau&s;e I knew well enough how to an&s;wer Rea&s;on the Devil in his be&s;t and orderlie&s;t wi&s;dom he hath, as is now extant in <HI>The Quakers Neck broken;</HI> but you, if you have not attained that wi&s;dom of Rea&s;on the afore&s;aid Quakers your brethren have attained, for you that are the old Fox is become more ignorant and fooli&s;h in &s;piritual matters than the afore&s;aid that are younger.</P>
<P>And as for that &s;aying of mine, that you make the greate&s;t &s;in of all, in that I belye the Quakers, to &s;ay they will not be&s;tow a penny in any Writings but their own, that &s;aying of mine is very true; for my meaning was, the Quakers would not be&s;tow a pen|ny upon any of my Writings, though they co&s;t never &s;o much la|bor the writing, and charge the printing; and &s;o the following words doth clear my meaning; but <HI>George Fox</HI> hath catcht at that word of mine <HI>[of any other Writings but their own]</HI> here was a word out of joynt, and that the Fox was glad of; for if I had made a di&s;tinction between my Writings and others, as my meaning was, and as my words following did imply, then the Fox would have had no hole to have crept out at, nor to have called me a Liar
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&s;even times for one: but as for the Quakers not be&s;towing a pen|ny upon any Writings, though they co&s;t ever &s;o much pains the writing, and co&s;t the printing, that is very true; for I do not know any Quaker, that is an ab&s;olute Quaker, that ever did buy any: Al&s;o it is credibly reported to me by &s;ome that have been Quakers, but fallen from them, that &s;everal of the Quakers have given a charge to others of their acquaintance that had a minde to buy, to &s;ee what was in them, the rumour was &s;o great; but the Quakers charged tho&s;e that had a minde to buy, not to buy any, not to be&s;tow a penny on them, except it were to burn them, &s;ay|ing that if they had any of my Writings they would burn them, and the&s;e were Qakers that &s;aid this; &s;o that this proves my &s;ayings to be true, both by experience and witne&s;s. But <HI>George Fox</HI> hath got the Printers, and Stationers, and Book-&s;ellers in <HI>London</HI> to prove me a Liar, as if the Quakers had been great Cu&s;tomers to the Book-&s;ellers: I &s;uppo&s;e <HI>Jacob Behmont</HI>'s Books were the chief Books that the Quakers bought, for there is the Principle or Foun|dation of their Religion; for they cannot go beyond that, but there they build, this I know by <HI>William Smiths</HI> Lettters to me: And you <HI>George Fox</HI> are far below <HI>William Smith</HI> in the knowledge of <HI>Jacob Behmonts</HI> Writings; and as for what Books el&s;e that you Quakers have be&s;towed money upon &s;ince you were Quakers, I think the Stationers will neither ju&s;tifie, neither can you &s;hew none of any value: but it is not much matter whether you did or did not, I am &s;ure that &s;aying of mine is true, that you will not be&s;tow a penny upon my Writings, though they co&s;t much pains the writing, and much charge the printing: this you <HI>Fox</HI> doth not deny, &s;o that part of my words are true by your own acknowledgement, &s;o that it is but half a Lie that you charge me with, in ca&s;e the words be taken in your &s;en&s;e, yet you charge this half Lie to be &s;even Lies. So much for that.</P>
<P N="2">2. <HI>L. Muggleton</HI> &s;aith, <HI>It is a vain thing to talk of any Heavenly Secrets to Quakers, for they will not be&s;tow a penny of them.</HI></P>
<P><HI>George Fox</HI> calls this a Lie al&s;o, and &s;aith, Heavenly Secrets are e&s;teemed of by them, &s;cornfully called <HI>Quakers,</HI> and &s;aith that <HI>Mug|gletons</HI> Heavenly Secrets are money worth, and may be bought with a price, and complains again&s;t me, becau&s;e &s;ome of the Be|lievers of this Commi&s;&s;ion would not lend <HI>George Fox</HI> a Book of
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ten &s;hillings price, to peru&s;e, to rayl again&s;t, and &s;aith the Qua|kers, as I call them, are free with their Books to give them to any one to read: but &s;aith, <HI>It is a hard thing to get any of my Books;</HI> and &s;aith, <HI>that I would not let them be brought forth unto light, left my Deeds, Cur&s;es, and Lies,</HI> as he calls them, <HI>&s;hould be made manife&s;t; for the Quakers,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>in the divine light, power, and &s;pirit of Chri&s;t Je&s;us do comprehend thy &s;pirit and &s;coffs, at the divine light of Chri&s;t Je&s;us within.</HI></P>
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<HEAD>CHAP. III.</HEAD>
<P><HI>An&s;wer.</HI> THis I do know, it is a vain thing to talk of any Hea|venly Secrets to Quakers, neither do the Quakers e&s;teem of Heavenly Secrets at all, but doth altogether de&s;pi&s;e and hate them; for what need the Quakers and I conte&s;t &s;o one again&s;t the other? or why &s;hould I have cur&s;ed &s;o many Quakers as I have? If the Quakers had e&s;teemed Heavenly Secrets, then &s;hould we the Witne&s;&s;es of the Spirit never have been &s;o contrary to them, as now we are; for the Quakers have de&s;pi&s;ed Heavenly Secrets more than any other Sect what&s;oever. Is not this a Heavenly Secret to declare what the true God is in his Form and Nature; Al&s;o this is a Heavenly Secret to &s;hew what the Right Devil is in his Form and Nature. It is a Heavenly Secret to know the place of Hell, and the manner of Torment. It is a Heavenly Seeret to know the Re&s;idence of Heaven, and the A&s;&s;urance to po&s;&s;e&s;s the Joys there|of to eternity. It is a Heavenly Secret to know really that the Soul or Life of Chri&s;t did dye, and that a mans own &s;oul or &s;pirit mu&s;t, and doth dye. It is al&s;o a Heavenly Secret to know the per|&s;ons and nature of Angels. The&s;e all are great Heavenly Secrets, with many more Heavenly Secrets declared in our Writings, which dependeth upon the&s;e afore&s;aid; but the Quakers de&s;pi&s;eth every one of the&s;e Heavenly Secrets; &s;o that you Quakers cannot e&s;teem of any Heavenly Secrets; &s;o that I know it is a vain thing to talk of Heavenly Secrets to Quakers. For I will appeal to the greate&s;t enemies I have of another Opinion that differs from the Quakers, that if all their Writings which they have all writ ever &s;ince they were Quakers, if they were brought together, there is not one Heavenly Secret in them all; nay, if it were po&s;&s;ible, that all the
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Quakers &s;peakings were bound in a bundle together, I know there would not be one Heavenly Secret, or true Principle to be found among&s;t them all: they are wor&s;e as to that than <HI>Sodom</HI> was, for there was one righteous per&s;on found in tho&s;e two Cities, and but one, even righteous <HI>Lot;</HI> but let our Writings and Speakings be put in a balance, and yours in another, and let mine enemies judge, though I know people will be more angry at my Heavenly Secrets I have written, than they will of tho&s;e Heavenly Secrets you Qua|kers e&s;teem of; for tho&s;e Heavenly Secrets the Quakers do e&s;teem of, they are &s;o groundle&s;s, that a man can di&s;cern no heavenline&s;s in them at all. And as for tho&s;e Books my di&s;ciples, as you call them, would not lend you, I will give the Fox a rea&s;on for it. The rea&s;on is, I did de&s;ire tho&s;e that had tho&s;e Books, who believed the matter contained in them, I would not have them lend them to Quakers; for one <HI>Thomas Barnet</HI> formerly a Quaker, but afterwards believed the&s;e Writings, and he bought one bound together, and he out of love to <HI>Thomas Taylor</HI> Quaker, this &s;aid <HI>Thomas Barnet</HI> did lend him his Book, thinking he might receive it as he did; but this <HI>Thomas Taylor</HI> de&s;pi&s;ed it, and not onely &s;o, but did abu&s;e the Book very ba&s;ely by writing upon the Margent, which thing procu|red <HI>Thomas Taylors</HI> Cur&s;e; &s;o others of our friends have lent Books to Prie&s;ts, and they have abu&s;ed them in like manner, &s;o that I was not willing that friends &s;hould lend Books to Quakers or others, onely <HI>The Quakers Neck broken</HI> I was alwayes free they &s;hould be lent to Quakers or others: but it was a Book all bound together, where the Heavenly Secrets are declared, that you &s;ent your friend to borrow, and becau&s;e the Believers would not lend them, you upbraid me, as if I were unwilling my Cur&s;es and Lies, as you call them, &s;hould be brought to light. But if you Quakers would have made my Cur&s;es and Lies, as you call them, manife&s;t, and that you Quakers could comprehend me, you &s;hould have bought one of them, and have made it your Church-Bible, and taken your Text out of it every time you meet, your Hearers would have edified more by your reading a Chapter in that when you meet to|gether, than by all the Speakings that ever they heard in their lives, it would have co&s;t you but ten &s;hillings; you might have had it out of the Church Stock, and have let it to have been pub|lick to all Quakers and others to &s;ee, and &s;o you might have made
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me manife&s;t indeed; but if you &s;hould do &s;o, what would be|come of you Speakers of the Quakers? then your light within, and your Chri&s;t within you, would come to nothing, and &s;o you would cheat the people no longer with your ninny-nonies &amp; &s;en&s;e|le&s;s words, to &s;tand pratling every week, of words over and over forty times together, <HI>The word of the Lord,</HI> and <HI>Hearken to the light within you,</HI> or <HI>The light within you.</HI> Cannot you when the people meet, &s;peak the&s;e words forty times over and &s;o di&s;mi&s;s them, then they would under&s;tand what you mean; but you deliver a great deal of non-&s;en&s;e over and over again, &s;o when the people are di&s;mi&s;t, they go away with their hearts full of non-&s;ence, and by the next week they will be emptied again; and the&s;e are the Hea|venly Secrets the Quakers feed the people with.</P>
<P N="3">3. Muggleton, <HI>thou &s;aye&s;t thou ha&s;t a Commi&s;&s;ion from without thee to preach.</HI></P>
<P>Here <HI>Fox</HI> hath belied my words, and left out &s;ome part; for the&s;e are my words, I do &s;ay that I have a Commi&s;&s;ion from God without me to preach: this I own to be true.</P>
<P>Here <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith, <HI>I have manife&s;ted darkne&s;s: and,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>is there any Commi&s;&s;ion from God, but the under&s;tanding of it is given to man by the divine light within?</HI></P>
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<HEAD>CHAP. IV. <HI>ANSWER.</HI></HEAD>
<P>THis <HI>Fox</HI> calls every thing darkne&s;s, though it be as clear a light as the Sun at noon-day; for who ever &s;hall read the follow|ing words in that Book, may clearly &s;ee that the light of Chri&s;t within a man is not a &s;ufficient Commi&s;&s;ion to authorize a man to be a Preacher of the Go&s;pel, though a man may have under&s;tand|ing in him to do it, yet for want of Authority from a God with|out him, he will be puni&s;hed for going to preach before he is &s;ent: This may be experienced by all men in temporals, we &s;ee a Petty-Con&s;table and other Officers more inferior, dares not execute their office upon any man, if it be but to whip beggars, not with|out a Commi&s;&s;ion from &s;ome per&s;on, one or more without him; and &s;o it is in all places both high and low upon the face of this earth.
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It is not the under&s;tanding within that will authorize men to &s;up|ply &s;uch and &s;uch places, but it mu&s;t be Authority without a man; for many men that are in great and honorable places, have le&s;s wi&s;dom and under&s;tanding to manage their places than other men, yet he that hath a Commi&s;&s;ion from others without him, will com|mend him that hath a better under&s;tanding within than him&s;elf; yet you Quakers will undertake to be Preachers of the Go&s;pel without a Commi&s;&s;ion from God without you, or without a Com|mi&s;&s;ion from Man without you: And becau&s;e I dur&s;t not preach without a Commi&s;&s;ion from God without me, and not by the light of Chri&s;t within me, though I had the light of Chri&s;t within me more than any Quaker in the world hath at this day, before I had a Commi&s;&s;ion from God without me; and if God without me had not forc'd me to take this Commi&s;&s;ion upon me, I had remai|ned quiet and &s;till, and had let Quakers and all other Opinions in Religion alone; for I was of <HI>Jonas</HI> his minde, willing to &s;it &s;till and be quiet, for I minded no bodies happine&s;s but my own: for I was willing to go to <HI>Tar&s;hi&s;h</HI> to &s;it down in quiet, but I was forced by the Lord God to go to <HI>Nineveh,</HI> among&s;t all Opinions of Reli|gion, that I might be envied, hated, and per&s;ecuted of Quakers, and all other Opinions what&s;oever; and this I have found true by experience, and all this came upon me from a Commi&s;&s;ion of the true God without me, and this you Quakers calls <HI>manife&s;ted darkne&s;s.</HI></P>
<P>The Apo&s;tle might truly &s;ay when it plea&s;ed the Father to re|veal his Son in him, <HI>he preached him;</HI> but what is this to <HI>Fox</HI> the Quaker? The Father hath not revealed the Son in him; for <HI>Fox</HI> doth not know what the Son is: but the Apo&s;tle that had the Son revealed in him, had a Commi&s;&s;ion from that Son without him: For &s;ure you Quakers will not be &s;o wicked as to &s;ay that <HI>Paul</HI> re|ceived his Commi&s;&s;ion to preach within him, when he breathed out threatnings again&s;t the Church of Chri&s;t, and went with Let|ters and Commi&s;&s;ion from the High-prie&s;ts to per&s;ecute tho&s;e that believed in Je&s;us that was put to death, and ri&s;en again, and a&s;|cended up to Heaven.</P>
<P>Now this Je&s;us met <HI>Saul</HI> in the way as he went to per&s;ecute the Saints, and &s;aid, <HI>Saul, Saul, why per&s;ecute&s;t thou me? Saul</HI> an&s;we|ed, <HI>Lord, who art thou?</HI> The An&s;wer was, <HI>I am Je&s;us of Nazareth.</HI>
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Will you <HI>Fox</HI> the Quaker &s;ay that this Je&s;us was within <HI>Paul,</HI> when he &s;pake the&s;e words, or without him? Sure you will not be &s;o wicked to &s;ay Je&s;us was within <HI>Paul,</HI> what ever you think: and if you grant that Je&s;us was without him, then <HI>Paul</HI> received his Commi&s;&s;ion to preach from Je&s;us Chri&s;t the onely Wi&s;e God with|out him: For this &s;ame Je&s;us &s;aid to <HI>Paul, Thou art a cho&s;en Ve&s;&s;el, and thou &s;halt bear,</HI> or preach, <HI>my Name before the Gentiles.</HI></P>
<P>Now I ask, did <HI>Paul</HI> receive his Commi&s;&s;ion to preach the Go|&s;pel of Je&s;us Chri&s;t to the Gentiles, from Je&s;us Chri&s;t without him, or from Chri&s;t within him? Again, who was that which &s;pake to <HI>Paul,</HI> when he &s;aid, <HI>My grace is &s;ufficient?</HI> Was it not Je|&s;us Chri&s;t? Was this Chri&s;t within <HI>Paul</HI> then? Was he not with|out <HI>Paul</HI> in that &s;ame fle&s;h and bone he &s;uffered death in? This fle&s;h and bone was &s;piritual after it ri&s;e again, but &s;till it kept it &s;elf an entire body to its &s;elf: And are you Quakers &s;o void of &s;en&s;e as to believe that the body of Chri&s;t is in you, and &s;o reveals things to you? So you may &s;ee that the Apo&s;tle <HI>Paul</HI> received his Commi&s;&s;ion to preach from a Chri&s;t without him, and not from a Chri&s;t within him: And I received my Commi&s;&s;ion from Chri&s;t without me, and not from Chri&s;t within me. And <HI>Fox</HI> the Qua|ker &s;aith, I have manife&s;ted my darkne&s;s: But this power I have received from the per&s;on of Chri&s;t without me, will be too hard for all the Quakers Chri&s;t within them in the world.</P>
<P N="4">4. Muggleton, <HI>Thou &s;aye&s;t the Right Devil became fle&s;h, and the Soul is mortal; and thou &s;peake&s;t of thy knowledge of the Lord, and the Scriptures.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Fox his words.</HI> Where do the Scriptures &s;ay that the Right De|vil became fle&s;h, and the Soul is mortal? for God breathed into man the breath of life, through which he became a living Soul, and this breath of life by which man became a living Soul, is this mortal? is this thy knowledge? Make this good by Scripture.</P>
</DIV2>
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<HEAD>CHAP. V. <HI>ANSWER.</HI></HEAD>
<P>I Have proved the&s;e two things abundantly by Scripture in my other Writings, in <HI>The Mortality of the Soul,</HI> and <HI>The Divine
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Looking-Gla&s;s,</HI> and in <HI>The Interpretation of the Eleventh of the Reve|lation,</HI> and in <HI>The Interpretation of the whole Book of the Revelation;</HI> the&s;e &s;everal Books written by us the Witne&s;&s;es of the Spirit, hath clearly opened tho&s;e two points as much as any one thing what|&s;oever: but I perceive this <HI>Fox</HI> hath &s;een none of our Books, not as to read them, but this book onely of the <HI>Quakers Neck broken,</HI> which makes him &s;o ignorant of the Scriptures, and of what we have written; al&s;o its proves my words true, that the Quakers will not be&s;tow a penny in any of my Writings, but their own. But becau&s;e &s;ome may &s;ee this An&s;wer to <HI>Fox,</HI> that hath not &s;een the other books afore-mentioned, I &s;hall prove by the Scriptures again that the Right Devil became fle&s;h, and the Soul of man to be mortal.</P>
<P>Fir&s;t, I &s;hall prove the Devil became fle&s;h. Let the Reader minde the Interpretation of Scripture. In the fir&s;t Epi&s;tle of <HI>John</HI> chap. 3. ver&s;e 8. it is thus written, <HI>He that committeth &s;in is of the Devil; for the Devil &s;inneth from the beginning.</HI> Mark the&s;e words, <HI>The Devil &s;inneth from the beginning:</HI> I think there is no man &s;o wic|kedly ignorant to &s;ay that <HI>Adam</HI> was this Devil that &s;inned from the beginning, for <HI>Adam</HI> was never called a Devil not throughout the Scriptures; for <HI>Adam</HI> is called the Father of Chri&s;t, and there is none will dare to &s;ay the Devil was the Father of Chri&s;t; which I &s;hall open more clear hereafter: but then of nece&s;&s;ity there mu&s;t be &s;ome other Devil in the beginning which all men are ignorant of in the&s;e our days, but this Commi&s;&s;ion of the Spirit onely. Now this Devil that committeth &s;in from the beginning, mu&s;t needs be that Serpent that was called <HI>A Tree of knowledge of good and evil,</HI> this I declare was the Devil: now this Devil became fle&s;h, and af|ter he became fle&s;h, then the devil committed &s;in, and this was in the beginning of the world; for the faith of the Scriptures goeth no further than the beginning of the Creation of <HI>Adam.</HI> Now minde the twelfth ver&s;e, that proves that <HI>Cain</HI> was the fir&s;t devil in fle&s;h. <HI>John</HI> exhorting the Believers <HI>that they &s;hould love one an|other, which Commandment was from the beginning, not as</HI> Cain, <HI>who was of that wicked one, and &s;lew his brother.</HI> Here it is clear that <HI>Cain</HI> was none of <HI>Adams</HI> &s;on; for <HI>Adam</HI> was never counted a wic|ked one by any that writ Scripture, &s;o that <HI>Cains</HI> father was the devil, that is, he was that Serpent Angel that deceived <HI>Eve,</HI> and
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<HI>Cain</HI> was the devil manife&s;t in fle&s;h; and that act of murther which <HI>Cain</HI> did when he &s;lew his brother <HI>Abel,</HI> is that &s;in which the devil committed from the beginning; for what the devil did before he became fle&s;h, was not counted by <HI>Mo&s;es,</HI> the Prophets, and Apo|&s;tles to be &s;in; for &s;in was not imputed to &s;piritual bodies, but to natural bodies onely: for &s;piritual bodies are either to receive the fruit of happine&s;s, or the puni&s;hment of what they do in the na|tural body of fle&s;h.</P>
<P>Again, that I may give the Reader a further proof of this, minde the Scripture &s;aith there are two Seeds, the Seed of the Woman, and the Seed of the Serpent, now God hath put emnity between the&s;e two Seeds: now I would fain know of <HI>Fox</HI> from whence this Seed of the Serpent came. If he &s;hall &s;ay, it came from <HI>Adam,</HI> as mo&s;t Quakers do, they bla&s;pheme again&s;t God that made <HI>Adam</HI> in his own image and likene&s;s, both &s;pirit and body, onely <HI>Adam</HI> was earthly, and God was heavenly; but <HI>Adam</HI> had but one Seed in his Creation, but as men are generated they come to have two Seeds in them; &s;o that this Seed of the Serpent mu&s;t needs be from the fallen Angel that deceived <HI>Eve,</HI> who was called <HI>A Tree of Knowledge of good and evil;</HI> and this Seed of the Serpent that &s;hould be at enmity with the Seed of the Woman, it is the devil in fle&s;h; for God owns the Seed of the Woman to be his own Seed, &s;o that <HI>Cain</HI> was the devil became fle&s;h, blood, and bone: and that &s;eed of Rea&s;on in <HI>Cain</HI> being now become mortal, which was immortal before <HI>Eve</HI> ate of the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, it comes to commit &s;in from the beginning, and to generate and bring forth millions of devils of his own &s;eed and nature, and &s;o the en|mity of the two Seeds continues from generation to generation to the worlds end.</P>
<P>For we read in Scripture that <HI>Cain</HI> is the Father of all wicked men and women, and that wicked men and women are his chil|dren, as the Reader may &s;ee in <HI>Matthew</HI> how the devil tempted Chri&s;t, that devil that tempted Chri&s;t was a man, yet called a <HI>Devil,</HI> as you may &s;ee <HI>Deuteronomy</HI> the &s;ixth, and the &s;ixteenth ver&s;e, that the Jewes that tempted God are called <HI>Devils:</HI> and when Chri&s;t an&s;wered the devil, and &s;aid, <HI>It is written, thou &s;halt not tempt the Lord thy God, but him onely &s;halt thou &s;erve:</HI> &s;o that rebel|lious men are called the <HI>Devil</HI> that tempt God. And where was
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there ever given any Law to any other devil but to man, to &s;erve the Lord his God? So that it may be clear to the Seed of Faith that man is a devil, and that there is no other devil that can, or doth tempt God, but man.</P>
<P>Again, it is clear that men are the children of the devil: now they cannot be children of the devil, except they be of his &s;eed be|gotten of him, and this is clear by Scripture, as may be read, <HI>John</HI> 8. ver&s;e 44. Chri&s;t &s;aith to the Jews that were men, who &s;aid they were <HI>Abrahams</HI> children, and &s;aid they were Gods children; but Chri&s;t &s;aith the&s;e men were the devils children: <HI>Ye are,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>of your father the devil, and the lu&s;ts of your father you will do, he was a murtherer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, becau&s;e there is no truth in him; when he &s;peaketh a lie, he &s;peaketh of his own; for he is a Liar, and the father of it.</HI> Now minde, there ne|ver was no liar, nor murderer but man, and <HI>Cain</HI> being the fir&s;t murderer and liar from the beginning; for when <HI>Cain</HI> killed <HI>Abel,</HI> and lied unto God, and &s;aid, <HI>Am I my brothers keeper?</HI> this was the fir&s;t murder and lie the devil <HI>Cain</HI> committed upon earth after the devil became fle&s;h; therefore called by the Spirit of Revelation of Faith, <HI>A murderer and a liar from the beginning;</HI> for then the de|vil in fle&s;h began to murder and lie, and &s;o this &s;in hath run in the line of all his po&s;terity from generation to generation, &s;o that the Reader may &s;ee that men are the children of the devil, and that the devil their father was a man, even <HI>Cain.</HI> This is the true mea|ning of the Scriptures, and from this <HI>Cain</HI> did <HI>Feorge Fox</HI> come, and this <HI>Cain</HI> is his father, this I know for a certain truth.</P>
<P>And to &s;top the mouth of that Objection which Quakers and all others do make, in that <HI>Adam</HI> knew his wife <HI>Eve,</HI> and &s;he concei|ved and bare <HI>Cain,</HI> and &s;aid, <HI>I have gotten a man from the Lord:</HI> To this I &s;ay, &s;he was with childe by the Angel before: but after <HI>Adam</HI> and &s;he were put forth of the Garden, that was from the pre&s;ence of God, then it is &s;aid, <HI>Adam knew his wife, and &s;he conceived and bare</HI> Cain, <HI>and &s;he &s;aid he had received a man from the Lord,</HI> and yet that <HI>Cain</HI> was none of <HI>Adams</HI> begetting; for we never read in Scripture that ever <HI>Adam</HI> begot <HI>Cain,</HI> neither is <HI>Adam</HI> called <HI>Cains</HI> father; but &s;he was with childe by that Serpent Angel before <HI>A|dam</HI> knew her, but he was but a cloak to cover her &s;in; as many adulterous women have been with childe by other men that were
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not their husbands, yet their husbands have been a cloak to cover their &s;hame, and the childe hath been counted her husbands, which was nothing &s;o. This many can experience if they would, and that many of the Quakers too, when they were Ranters, if not &s;ince; &s;o that <HI>Cain</HI> was none of <HI>Adams</HI> begetting, though he knew his wife <HI>Eve.</HI></P>
<P>But &s;ome may &s;ay, Why did not <HI>Mo&s;es</HI> tell us the&s;e things? To that I &s;ay, it was not made known to him, nor to no other till now, but to the Witne&s;&s;es of the Spirit onely. The condition of <HI>Eve</HI> was much like the condition of <HI>Mary</HI> the Virgin, &s;he was e|&s;pou&s;ed to <HI>Jo&s;eph</HI> before &s;he was with childe by the Holy Gho&s;t; but <HI>Jo&s;eph</HI> never knew her before, nor after &s;he was with childe by the Holy Gho&s;t, till that Childe Je&s;us was born; therefore Je&s;us is called <HI>Emanuel, that is God with us;</HI> that is, God was born of a Virgin. Al&s;o <HI>Mary</HI> is &s;aid to conceive with childe by the Holy Gho&s;t, yet if <HI>Jo&s;eph</HI> had known <HI>Mary</HI> his e&s;pou&s;ed wife in the in|terim of her Conception by the Holy Gho&s;t, it is like that <HI>Mary</HI> would have &s;aid that &s;he had received her Childe Je&s;us from <HI>Jo|&s;eph</HI> her husband, for &s;he could not tell which got it, if &s;uch a thing &s;hould have been: but it was otherwi&s;e ordered with her than it was with <HI>Eve;</HI> for <HI>Adam</HI> knew <HI>Eve</HI> as &s;oon as the Angel had en|tered into her womb, and then <HI>Adam</HI> knew his wife after they were put forth from the pre&s;ence of God; &s;o that <HI>Eva</HI> did not know which &s;he was with childe by, the Serpent Angel, or her hu&s;|band <HI>Adam;</HI> &s;o that &s;he might well &s;ay, <HI>&s;he had received a man from the Lord:</HI> but if <HI>Eve</HI> had not enticed her husband to know her, that was, eating of the forbidden fruit, &s;he would have brought forth according to the time of life that very &s;ame devil <HI>Cain,</HI> fle&s;h, blood, and bone, as &s;he did, if <HI>Adam</HI> had never known her in that time; even as the Virgin <HI>Mary</HI> did the ble&s;&s;ed Je&s;us, the God and Savior of the Seed of <HI>Adam,</HI> with fle&s;h, blood, and bone; So that the Reader may &s;ee clearly that <HI>Adam</HI> was not <HI>Cains</HI> father, neither did he beget him, for <HI>Cain</HI> was the devil became fle&s;h; and this is the Right devil, and you <HI>Fox</HI> the Quaker are one of his &s;ons begotten by him.</P>
<P>But to make it more clear that <HI>Adam</HI> was not <HI>Cains</HI> father: He could not be <HI>Cains</HI> father, and Chri&s;ts father al&s;o. Now we finde by the Scriptures that Chri&s;t doth own <HI>Adam</HI> to be his father, and
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the Scriptures doth own <HI>Cain</HI> to be the Right Devil, and the fa|ther of all other devils, as I have &s;hewed before, and that <HI>Adam</HI> is called the <HI>Father of Chri&s;t,</HI> read <HI>Luke</HI> the third, to the la&s;t ver&s;e in the Genealogy, <HI>Which was the &s;on of Enos, which was the &s;on of Seth, which was the &s;on of Adam, which was the &s;on of God:</HI> So that God was <HI>Adams</HI> Father as he was God, and <HI>Adam</HI> was Chri&s;ts Fa|ther as he was Man; therefore calls him&s;elf <HI>The Son of Man.</HI></P>
<P>What do you Quakers think the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil was, and that Serpent that beguiled <HI>Eve?</HI> Do you look upon it to be &s;ome Apple-tree, and the Serpent to be an ugly Snake? and &s;o this Snake crept up the Tree, and got an Apple in his mouth, and the Woman took the Apple out of the Snakes mouth, and &s;o ate of it, and gave her husband to eat, and &s;o brought them&s;elves into this mi&s;ery, and all mankinde? Do you teach your Hearers this? What is it you teach, that your Hearers are &s;o ignorant of the knowledge of the true God, and the right Devil, and of the Scriptures? This is the Faith that other religi|ous men do believe concerning the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, and of the Serpent: but you Quakers carries it in an Allegory, &s;o that nothing can be made of it, neither one way nor other. But all Profe&s;&s;ors of the Scriptures do own that the Tree of Life was Chri&s;t, and I &s;uppo&s;e you Quakers do &s;o too.</P>
<P>If you grant that the Tree of Life was Chri&s;t, then this Tree of Life could &s;peak: Now if the Tree of Life did &s;peak, why &s;hould not the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil &s;peak al&s;o? If Chri&s;t the Tree of Life, becau&s;e he gave life to every thing in Creation, &s;o why pray not the Angel be called A Tree of Know|ledge of good and evil? or a Serpent which brought death and mi&s;ery upon the whole Creation?</P>
<P>And we read that the Serpent &s;pake wi&s;e words, who &s;aid to the woman, <HI>They &s;hould become as Gods knowing good and evil:</HI> did ever any Snake we call Serpents, &s;peak &s;uch a language? Surely no. I marvel people are &s;o unwilling to believe that the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil &s;hould be an Angel, and yet &s;peak &s;uch God-like wi&s;dom, and hath brought &s;uch woful mi&s;ery upon all the earth! and very many men and women do eat of the &s;ame forbidden fruit now, as <HI>Adam</HI> and <HI>Eve</HI> did then.</P>
<P>And as the Tree was plea&s;ant to the eye, and good to make one
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wi&s;e, is it not &s;o now with lu&s;tful men and women? doth not their fancy to one another &s;eem plea&s;ant to the eye? and acting toge|ther hath been plea&s;ant to the ta&s;te: this makes many to know good and evil by woful experience, for this &s;weetne&s;s of &s;in is but for a &s;ea&s;on; for I have known many in my days that have eaten of the forbidden fruit, men and women both, that have wa&s;ted their e&s;tates, which was good and comfortable to them; but now the want is evil to them: they have &s;poiled their bodies with ex|ce&s;s of lu&s;t, they have made their good healthful bodies rotten with the Pox, &s;o that their good healthful bodies are become evil and loath&s;om to their friends; and that which is wor&s;t of all, the eating of this forbidden fruit, they have lo&s;t the peace of Con&s;ci|ence, which was very good, and in &s;tead thereof they have had an evil Con&s;cience, as King <HI>Saul, Cain,</HI> and <HI>Judas</HI> had, alwayes tormenting of them with fear, horror, and the torments of hell, and thus men and women have known good and evil, by eating of the forbidden fruit of lu&s;t.</P>
<P>This many Ranters were guilty of to my knowledge, neither is your Quakers people free; for I know of tho&s;e that have fallen to the Quakers, thinking to finde ea&s;e there, but they will finde the Quakers Principle but a broken Reed. The&s;e things concer|ning the Tree of Life, and Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, are opened more at large in <HI>The Interpretation of the Eleventh of the Revelation,</HI> &s;o I &s;hall conclude this point.</P>
<P N="2">2. I am to make good by Scripture that the Soul of man is mortal. This is one of the ea&s;ie&s;t points that is to prove by Scrip|ture and experience. The&s;e are the words that <HI>George Fox</HI> doth ground the Immortality of the Soul upon, as followeth. Saith he, <HI>For God breathed into man the breath of life, through which he became a living Soul.</HI> And then <HI>George Fox</HI> asketh, <HI>Is this breath of life by which man became a living Soul, mortal?</HI> And &s;aith, <HI>Is this thy knowledge?</HI> as if it were impo&s;&s;ible for me to an&s;wer, or to make good by Scripture.</P>
</DIV2>
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<HEAD>CHAP. VI. <HI>ANSWER.</HI></HEAD>
<P>THis point hath been proved by Scripture in all our other Wri|tings as afore&s;aid, and that Book of the <HI>Mortality of the Soul,</HI>
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the chief &s;ubject it treats upon is to prove the Soul mortal; but all the&s;e things will do <HI>Fox</HI> no good, nor convince him of his ig|norance in this point. <HI>Fox</HI> had hard luck that he could &s;ee none of the&s;e Writings, for nothing might have better informed him in the&s;e things, but the Book of <HI>The Quakers Neck broken</HI> onely, that makes <HI>Fox</HI> &s;o ignorant of all things, for that Book doth but name the Heads of the&s;e things, but in the other Writings afore&s;aid they are more largely expounded. But to give a little further an&s;wer to this point here.</P>
<P>Fir&s;t, I &s;hall prove that breath of Life God breathed into <HI>A|dam</HI> to be mortal, and doth die. Let the Reader minde. I do ac|knowledge that Breath of Life God breathed into <HI>Adam</HI> which made him become a living Soul, it was immortal when it came from God, but it was breathed into an earthen ve&s;&s;el; <HI>Adam</HI> be|ing of the earth, he was earthly, and &s;o capable to be overcome by temptation from a heavenly body, <HI>viz.</HI> the Serpent Angel: now Chri&s;t being the Lord from heaven, therefore he was not capable to be overcome by the temptations of earthly bodies, <HI>viz.</HI> the Ser|pent Angel his &s;eed in mortality.</P>
<P>Minde al&s;o, this Breath of Life which God breathed into <HI>Adam,</HI> wherein he became a living Soul, it was immortal &s;o long as he &s;tood in obedience to God, and no death could have touched him: but this I mu&s;t tell the Reader, <HI>Adam</HI> could have had no other heaven than this world, he being made of this earth, he &s;hould never have gone higher to the place where God is, the holy An|gels, and all &s;piritual Bodies are, there <HI>Adam</HI> &s;hould not have come.</P>
<P>But this I &s;ay, <HI>Adam</HI> &s;hould have been freed from all &s;ickne&s;s, di&s;ea&s;es, and death, and &s;hould have lived a Paradi&s;ical life of peace upon this earth for ever, if he had kept that &s;tate he was created in. I confe&s;s this was a &s;tate that I was always de&s;irous to get into, and I did endeavor much after it, but could not attain unto it; but when the Revelation of Faith did ari&s;e in me, the Spirit of Faith, which I call the Spirit of Chri&s;t, or God, &s;hewed me what the &s;tate of <HI>Adam</HI> was in the &s;tate of innocency, and the Paradi&s;i|cal heaven here upon this earth: but when the Spirit &s;hewed me the Form of God, Angels, and other Creatures in a Cele&s;tial &s;tate in the Cele&s;tial Heavens in all glory, I thought then that this
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earthly Paradi&s;e, though it had been for ever, very inferior and be|low that which I am &s;ure I &s;hall po&s;&s;e&s;s.</P>
<P>But to the matter in hand. I &s;hall make it appear that <HI>Adams</HI> Soul did die, though it was the breath of God made it live, yet by di&s;obeying the command of God, this Life mu&s;t die, as in <HI>Gen.</HI> 2. and ver&s;e 17. <HI>For in the day thou eate&s;t thereof thou &s;halt &s;urely die:</HI> Is not this plain that <HI>Adams</HI> Soul did die, notwith&s;tanding the breath of Life God breathed into him? this became mortal, and did die If you <HI>Fox</HI> &s;hall &s;ay the &s;oul departed from the body, and the body died, this is the opinion of mo&s;t people, but it is an igno|rant dark opinion, contrary to Sence, Rea&s;on, or Faith; for if the Soul &s;lip out of the body, or depart from it, that cannot be &s;aid to die, but to part one from another for a &s;ea&s;on; be&s;ides the body is a dead lump fit for no u&s;e without a &s;oul. Al&s;o the Scripture &s;aith, <HI>The &s;oul that &s;ins &s;hall die:</HI> The Scriptures doth not &s;ay, the &s;oul &s;hall &s;lip out of the body that &s;ins, but <HI>&s;hall die:</HI> it is that which &s;ins that mu&s;t die; And did you <HI>Fox</HI> ever know a body commit &s;in without a &s;oul? if you did not, methinks you might be convinced of your ignorance, and teach the people no more that lie.</P>
<P>Where do you read in Scripture, that ever any bodies were con|demned to die? We read in Scripture in many places of &s;ouls that &s;hall die, and &s;ouls that &s;hall be cut off from the land of the living, but never of bodies.</P>
<P>Again, it is &s;aid, <HI>that Chri&s;t poured out his &s;oul unto death:</HI> Will you <HI>Fox</HI> be &s;o wicked to &s;ay that Chri&s;t did not die? <HI>He poured out his &s;oul unto death:</HI> Death took Chri&s;ts &s;oul into it &s;elf, that is, death &s;wallowed up his &s;oul. It is not &s;aid he gave his body for a Ran&s;om for &s;in, but <HI>he gave his &s;oul a Ran&s;om for &s;in:</HI> How &s;hould any man be &s;aved from eternal death, if Chri&s;ts &s;oul did not die?</P>
<P>But I know the Quakers look for no benefit from the blood of Chri&s;t, all their happine&s;s it mu&s;t come from the Law written in their hearts, that they call <HI>the light of Chri&s;t in them;</HI> for they know no other Chri&s;t neither within them, nor without them. For this I &s;ay they that cannot believe that their own &s;ouls &s;hall die, cannot believe that the &s;oul of Chri&s;t did die, and &s;o they can receive no benefit by the death of Chri&s;t.</P>
<P>The Reader may &s;ee the innocence in the Quakers Writings. <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith, <HI>He doth believe in Chri&s;t that &s;uffered, ro&s;e again, and a&s;cen|ded;</HI>
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and yet Chri&s;ts &s;oul did not die, according to the Quakers faith: for if they do acknowledge that Chri&s;ts &s;oul did die, they mu&s;t needs acknowledge their own &s;ouls mu&s;t the al&s;o. And if <HI>Fox</HI> had believed the one, he would have believed the other, and never have put me to this trouble to an&s;wer that difficult point, as <HI>Fox</HI> thinks, to prove from Scripture that the &s;oul of man is mortal; if there were no Scripture at all, experience would prove that eve|ry day we &s;ee it with our eyes.</P>
<P>Al&s;o I would ask <HI>Fox,</HI> or any other, where the &s;oul of <HI>Lazarus</HI> was tho&s;e four days his body was in the grave? I believe <HI>Fox</HI> will &s;ay it was in heaven. To this I &s;ay, that <HI>Lazarus</HI> his &s;oul was in the grave where his body was; his &s;oul was dead, el&s;e Chri&s;t did not rai&s;e him from the dead if his &s;oul were not dead. Minde, if his &s;oul departed out of his body, as mo&s;t people imagine, and went to Heaven or hell, then I &s;ay Chri&s;t would have called to Heaven for his &s;oul to come down, and go into the body again: if it &s;hould be &s;o, then Chri&s;t did not rai&s;e the dead, but brought two friends together that were &s;eparated one from the other.</P>
<P>This is the Quakers Faith, and many others be&s;ides, but the Faith of Gods Elect doth &s;tedfa&s;tly believe that <HI>Lazarus</HI> his &s;oul was dead, and there in the grave, and that by the power of Chri&s;ts words and groans they entred in to that dead &s;oul in the grave, and made it quick and live again.</P>
<P>Here you &s;ee, <HI>Fox,</HI> that the &s;oul of <HI>Adam</HI> the fir&s;t man did die; And al&s;o you may &s;ee that the &s;oul of Chri&s;t did die, and that <HI>Lazarus</HI> his &s;oul was dead, and all mens &s;ouls el&s;e &s;ince that are dead, becau&s;e they were mortal. This the Scriptures prove as much or more than any one thing what&s;oever, and this is my know|ledge of Scripture.</P>
<P>And are you, <HI>George Fox,</HI> convinced yet that your &s;oul mu&s;t die? For die you mu&s;t, even two deaths, a death mortal, and a death eternal: for you that count it a Lie to &s;ay the &s;oul is mortal, and mu&s;t die, you &s;hall ta&s;te of two deaths, but I &s;hall ta&s;te but of one: this I know to be true, and you &s;hall finde my words to be true al&s;o.</P>
<P N="5">5. Muggleton, <HI>Thou &s;aye&s;t thou accu&s;e&s;t no man of &s;in, yet,</HI> &s;aith <HI>Fox, in a few lines after, thou accu&s;e&s;t the Quakers of &s;in and bla&s;|phemy.</HI></P>
</DIV2>
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<HEAD>CHAP. VII. <HI>ANSWER.</HI></HEAD>
<P>YOu told a Lie, to &s;ay I accu&s;e the Quakers of &s;in and bla&s;phe|my a few lines after; for I do accu&s;e the Quakers of &s;in and bla&s;phemy again&s;t the Holy Gho&s;t a few lines before. I &s;aid, I ac|cu&s;e no man of &s;in, but becau&s;e you began to write again&s;t me back|wards, you began at the la&s;t &s;ide of my Book, and &s;o an&s;wered this backward. I &s;hall bear with that Lie, and look upon it as no hainous crime in you: but if you had found &s;uch a mi&s;take in me, you would have triumphed as if it had been the greate&s;t &s;in in me to tell &s;uch a Lie: you would have thought it wor&s;e than the &s;in again&s;t the Holy Gho&s;t, which you Quakers do commit.</P>
<P>But who ever reads that Book may &s;ee that I have &s;aid nothing but truth, in what I have written of the Quakers.</P>
<P N="6">6. Page 5. <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith, <HI>The Scriptures &s;peak of the wicked one, and wicked men, but where,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>doth the Scriptures &s;peak of a right devil?</HI></P>
</DIV2>
<DIV2 N="8" TYPE="chapter">
<HEAD>CHAP. VIII. <HI>ANSWER.</HI></HEAD>
<P>DOth the Scriptures &s;peak of a wrong Devil? there mu&s;t needs be either a right devil, or a wrong devil, el&s;e the Scri|ptures would never have &s;poken &s;o much of a devil, if there had been no devil at all: For you <HI>Fox</HI> neither declares what the right devil is, nor what the wrong devil is; &s;o that no man can tell where, nor what the devil is.</P>
<P>It &s;eems <HI>Fox</HI> the Quaker thinks it a hard thing to prove by the Scriptures a right devil: Do you not read in Scripture that <HI>Cain</HI> is called a <HI>devil, who was a murderer and a liar from the beginning?</HI> and the devil was tho&s;e Phari&s;ees that di&s;puted with Chri&s;t, the devil was their father, Chri&s;t &s;aid. And was not <HI>Cain</HI> their father a right devil? Is there any &s;in committed, but it is the devil com|mits it? As <HI>John</HI> &s;aith, <HI>He that committeth &s;in is of the devil;</HI> and if
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he that commits &s;in be of the devil, then his father that begat him mu&s;t needs be a right devil. Was not <HI>Judas</HI> that betrayed his Lord, was not he a right devil? Sure if he had not been a right devil, he would never have done that wickedne&s;s: And you <HI>George Fox,</HI> had not you been a right devil, you would never have bla|&s;phemed again&s;t the Holy Spirit that &s;ent me, as you have; but you being ignorant who was your father, even <HI>Cain,</HI> you know not what your &s;elf is: and that you are the &s;on of a right devil, and &s;o in proce&s;s of time you your &s;elf are become a right devil, and you &s;hall be recorded &s;o by the Commi&s;&s;ion of the Spirit of Truth to the worlds end.</P>
<P N="7">7. Page 7. <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith, <HI>The Quakers do not deny Chri&s;ts fle&s;h and bones, who remain in the Heavens until the Re&s;titution of all things.</HI></P>
</DIV2>
<DIV2 N="9" TYPE="chapter">
<HEAD>CHAP. IX. <HI>ANSWER.</HI></HEAD>
<P>HEre people may &s;ee the confu&s;ion of the Quakers Principles, who &s;ay Chri&s;t is in them, and yet <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith the Quakers own the fle&s;h of Chri&s;t that &s;uffered.</P>
<P>Here <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith, <HI>The Quakers doth not deny Chri&s;ts fle&s;h and bones, who remain in the Heavens until the re&s;titution of all things.</HI> But this the Reader may mind, that the Quakers do not believe that Chri&s;ts fle&s;h and bone is now in the Heavens, though <HI>Fox</HI> doth not deny it, becau&s;e the Scriptures are &s;o full to prove the &s;ame. For if the Quakers &s;hould really believe it, their Principle of Chri&s;t within them would quickly fail and vani&s;h: for I never knew none that would avouch that Chri&s;ts fle&s;h and bone was in them, neither wil any of the Quakers avouch that they do believe Chri&s;t to be a per|&s;on now in Heaven above the &s;tars in that &s;ame fle&s;h and bone he &s;uffered death in; if they &s;hould do &s;o, how then would all the Quakers do to get Chri&s;t within them? there could but one Qua|ker get Chri&s;t in him at a time, and when Chri&s;t comes out of one, he mu&s;t go into another.</P>
<P>But the Quakers Chri&s;t is nothing el&s;e but an Allegory, and &s;o
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<HI>Fox</HI> &s;hews in his following words; <HI>For,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>we are fle&s;h of his fle&s;h, and bone of his bone:</HI> &s;o that fle&s;h and bone of Chri&s;t that was re&s;erved in the Heavens, which <HI>Fox</HI> doth not deny in the words be|fore, but in the latter words, the Quakers fle&s;h and bones are be|come Chri&s;ts fle&s;h and bone; &s;o that Chri&s;t hath no fle&s;h and bone of his own, but what fle&s;h and bone Chri&s;t hath of the Quakers. But I &s;hall &s;peak of this more in another page; but the Reader may a little &s;ee <HI>Fox</HI> his Allegorical Juggle.</P>
<P N="8">8. Page 6. <HI>Fox</HI> calls me a lying &s;pirit, becau&s;e I cur&s;ed &s;ome Quakers for the &s;in again&s;t the Holy Gho&s;t, and &s;aith, <HI>Chri&s;t &s;aid, Ble&s;s, and cur&s;e not, who is the Chief Judge.</HI></P>
</DIV2>
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<HEAD>CHAP. X. <HI>ANSWER.</HI></HEAD>
<P>I Do acknowledge that Chri&s;t is Chief Judge both of quick and dead: but Chri&s;t hath cho&s;en me to be chief Judge in his &s;tead here upon earth in &s;piritual matters, and I had my Authority from Chri&s;t the onely God without me, and not from Chri&s;t within me, and by this Authority from Chri&s;t without me, who is now in Hea|ven above the &s;tars, in that &s;ame fle&s;h and bone he &s;uffered death in, onely that fle&s;h and bone is &s;piritualized and glorified, have I power over you Quakers, and that light of Chri&s;t within you al&s;o, and look what Judgement I have given upon you Quakers and o|thers, it will &s;urely come to pa&s;s upon you; neither can you, nor your Chri&s;t within you, deliver you from it.</P>
<P>And as for that &s;aying of Chri&s;t who &s;aid to his di&s;ciples, <HI>Ble&s;s, and cur&s;e not,</HI> this will not deliver you Quakers at all from what I have &s;aid. But for the Readers &s;atisfaction I &s;hall open tho&s;e words of Chri&s;t more plain hereafter.</P>
<P N="9">9. Page 7. <HI>Fox</HI> is very angry with me, becau&s;e I &s;ay that <HI>Cain</HI> was not begotten of <HI>Adam,</HI> but was begotten by the Reprobate Angel; but I have &s;ufficiently opened and proved this thing by the Scripture before, &s;o I &s;hall &s;ay no more of it here.</P>
<P N="10">10. Page 10. <HI>Fox</HI> after he hath railed at me, becau&s;e I &s;ay the Quakers Chri&s;t hath never a body; and <HI>Fox</HI> knowing it to be true,
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thought he &s;hould bring him&s;elf into a premunire, if he &s;hould deny Chri&s;ts body without him, the Scriptures being &s;o clear for it, <HI>Fox</HI> doth confe&s;s Chri&s;t hath a body, <HI>for,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>that which de&s;cend|ed, a&s;cended; And,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>the Quakers are of his body: and as the Scriptures &s;aith, A body ha&s;t thou prepared.</HI></P>
</DIV2>
<DIV2 N="11" TYPE="chapter">
<HEAD>CHAP. XI. <HI>ANSWER.</HI></HEAD>
<P>HEre <HI>Fox</HI> &s;hews him&s;elf a meer Juggler, for he confe&s;&s;es Chri&s;t hath a body, but never confe&s;&s;es that this body of Chri&s;t is at a di&s;tance from the Quakers, neither doth <HI>Fox</HI> acknowledge that Chri&s;ts body is in a di&s;tinct place by him&s;elf; <HI>for,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>that which de&s;cended, a&s;cended: And,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>the Quakers are of his body, as the Scriptures &s;aith, A body ha&s;t thou prepared me.</HI></P>
<P>Minde: <HI>Fox</HI> doth not &s;ay, that which de&s;cended was a body, nor that which a&s;cended neither; for <HI>Fox</HI> his meaning is my&s;tical, and &s;o he thinkes the Quakers are fle&s;h of Chri&s;ts fle&s;h, and bone of Chri&s;ts bone, of Chri&s;ts my&s;tical body as they conceive; &s;o <HI>Fox</HI> owns Chri&s;t to have a my&s;tical body, and &s;o the Quakers comes, as they &s;ay, to be bone of his bone, and fle&s;h of his fle&s;h; and &s;o that body which was prepared for Chri&s;t, the Quakers believe their fle&s;h and bones is that body which the Spirit of Chri&s;t doth dwell in, and that is that body the Scriptures &s;aith is prepared.</P>
<P>So that the Quakers do deny that Chri&s;t hath a body of fle&s;h and bone di&s;tinct of his own, at a di&s;tance from them; for if they &s;hould acknowledge, as I &s;aid in <HI>The Quakers Neck broken,</HI> that Chri&s;t hath the &s;ame fle&s;h and bone that &s;uffered, &s;till di&s;tinct of him&s;elf, though glorified fle&s;h and bone, yet it is a di&s;tinct thing of it &s;elf, even the per&s;on of a man, and cannot, nor is not within any man what&s;oever; I &s;ay, if the Quakers &s;hould own this indeed, their Principle of Chri&s;t within them would vani&s;h like &s;moke.</P>
<P>For this fle&s;h and bone of Chri&s;t his own per&s;on, was that body prepared for the God-head life to dwell in, as the Prophet &s;peaks, and that which the Apo&s;tle &s;aith, <HI>the fulne&s;s of the God-head dwelt bodily in Chri&s;t:</HI> And this fle&s;h and bone of Chri&s;t was that body prepared for the God-head to dwell in.</P>
<P><PB N="24" REF="17">Now will any man be &s;o &s;en&s;le&s;s to think this body of Chri&s;t to be within a man? for he that can get Chri&s;ts body of fle&s;h and bone into him, he will get the fulne&s;s of the God-head al&s;o into him; &s;o that he that can do this will be a God, and not a man: &s;o that I have told no lie, but truth, when I &s;aid the Quakers Chri&s;t hath never a body, for which <HI>Fox</HI> is very angry with me, and calls me Liar.</P>
<P>Yet let the Reader but minde <HI>Fox</HI> his words, when he doth &s;eem to own a body of Chri&s;t, his words are &s;o dubious, and &s;o dark, that none but the Spirit of Truth could finde out the cheat of the&s;e Quakers: what could any man that hath not the true knowledge of the true God, and the right Devil, and the knowledge of the Scriptures, &s;ay to the&s;e things, this Allegorical Cheat and Deceit, it being &s;o coucht under the words of the Scriptures? For this is to be minded by the Reader, that the Quakers never gives no In|terpretation of Scriptures, neither in writings nor &s;peakings. This <HI>Fox</HI> hath &s;poken of &s;everal places of Scripture to prove me a Liar, but hath given the Interpretation of none.</P>
<P>Onely he hath named the words, and rayled again&s;t me, and &s;o he hath left the Scriptures, and the Apo&s;tles words, and me to|gether, to di&s;pute out the Quakers Principle of Chri&s;t within them. And becau&s;e <HI>Fox</HI> hath not opened tho&s;e Scriptures he quotes to prove Chri&s;t within, and that the Quakers are of Chri&s;ts body, I &s;hall unfold tho&s;e places of Scriptures which the Quakers ground upon.</P>
<P><HI>Col.</HI> 1.27. It is thus written, <HI>To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this my&s;tery among the Gentiles, which is Chri&s;t in you the hope of glory.</HI> This is one of the Quakers chief Scriptures to prove Chri&s;t within them. So <HI>Rom.</HI> 8. &amp; 10. <HI>If Chri&s;t be in you, the body is dead becau&s;e of &s;in.</HI> So 2 <HI>Cor.</HI> 13.5. <HI>Examine your &s;elves whether you be in the faith, approve your &s;elves how that Chri&s;t is in you except ye be reprobates.</HI> So <HI>Galatians</HI> 2. &amp; 20. <HI>I live, yet not I, but Chri&s;t liveth in me, and the life which I now live in the fle&s;h, I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave him|&s;elf for me.</HI></P>
<P>The&s;e are the chiefe&s;t places of Scripture the Quakers have to prove that Chri&s;t is in them. Let the Reader minde the Interpre|tation as followeth, and you may &s;ee that the Quakers are mi&s;ta|ken
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both in the thing it &s;elf, and in the per&s;on and per&s;ons to whom the&s;e words were &s;poken. Fir&s;t, the per&s;on that &s;pake the&s;e words, it was <HI>Paul</HI> who had a Commi&s;&s;ion to preach Chri&s;t unto the Gen|tiles, and this Commi&s;&s;ion to preach Chri&s;t was from Chri&s;t without him, as I &s;hewed before: and the per&s;ons he directs the&s;e &s;peeches or words unto, they were to &s;uch men and women that did &s;eem to receive <HI>Pauls</HI> doctrine, and doubtle&s;s many of them did truely believe that Chri&s;t which &s;uffered, ri&s;e again, and was a&s;|cended up to Heaven, according to the preaching of <HI>Paul</HI> and the re&s;t of the Apo&s;tles, was the Chri&s;t the Savior of the world; and that this Chri&s;t was without them in his per&s;on, though by faith Chri&s;t may be &s;aid to dwell, or be in a man.</P>
<P>Al&s;o <HI>Paul</HI> and the&s;e Believers he preached unto, did believe the blood of Chri&s;t which was poured out unto death, that the belie|ving of this would purge their con&s;ciences from dead works, to &s;erve the living God; for <HI>Paul</HI> expre&s;&s;eth as much in the &s;ame ver&s;e: <HI>For,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave him&s;elf for me.</HI> So that it may be clear to tho&s;e that have any true faith in them, that <HI>Paul</HI> and the re&s;t of the Believers had Chri&s;t in them no otherwi&s;e than by faith in the Death, Re|&s;urrection, and A&s;cen&s;ion of that Chri&s;t without them, and &s;o Chri&s;t dwells in true Believers hearts by faith, according to that &s;aying, <HI>Eph.</HI> 3.20. <HI>that Chri&s;t may dwell in your hearts by faith;</HI> And &s;o when men have true faith in Chri&s;ts Death, Re&s;urrection and A&s;cen&s;ion without them, they may be &s;aid to have Chri&s;t in them the hope of glory; for the faith of Chri&s;t, or faith in Chri&s;t with|out them, gives hope to the minde that they &s;hall behold that glo|ry Chri&s;t without them is in; and &s;o by faith a man comes to know that he is no reprobate.</P>
<P>For a man that hath true faith in Chri&s;t without him, may be &s;aid to know that Chri&s;t is in him, and that he is no reprobate: And this is that great My&s;tery, Chri&s;t in you the hope of glory; for it is a great My&s;tery to under&s;tand God manife&s;t in fle&s;h, and to be|come very man in one &s;ingle per&s;on, even the Man Chri&s;t Je&s;us, and he to die, ri&s;e again, and a&s;cend from whence he came; this is a great My&s;tery indeed, and few can comprehend it, but Faith doth &s;ee it, and under&s;tand it, and where ever it is truly believed, that man may be &s;aid to have Chri&s;t in him the hope of glory, and
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to know that he is no reprobate, becau&s;e the Seed of Faith, which is Chri&s;ts Seed, is in him, and that Seed acts it &s;elf forth to lay hold of that per&s;on of Chri&s;t without him, and &s;o gives a&s;&s;urance of everla&s;ting life in a man, and &s;o Chri&s;t may be &s;aid to be in a man.</P>
<P>For the Seed is counted &s;ometimes for the thing it &s;elf, &s;o that if a man doth not really know in him&s;elf that he hath the Seed of Chri&s;t in him, and that is known by actual believing him that is &s;ent, that man is a reprobate to him&s;elf, and hath not the hope of glory in him, and &s;o Chri&s;t is not in his heart by faith. This is the true Interpretation of tho&s;e Scriptures, and of the Apo&s;tles minde.</P>
</DIV2>
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<HEAD>CHAP. XII.</HEAD>
<P N="2">2. I Shall open the Quakers Cheat concerning their bodies be|ing fle&s;h of Chri&s;ts fle&s;h, and bone of his bone, and tho&s;e Scriptures interpreted they ground that Conceit upon. Fir&s;t, <HI>Rom.</HI> 12. and 5. <HI>Paul</HI> &s;aith, <HI>So we being many, are one body in Chri&s;t.</HI> So 1 <HI>Cor.</HI> 12.12. <HI>For as the body is one, and hath many members of that one body, &s;o al&s;o is Chri&s;t.</HI> So <HI>Eph.</HI> 5.30. <HI>For we are members of his body, of his fle&s;h, and of his bone.</HI> So <HI>Col.</HI> 1.21. <HI>And you that were &s;ometimes alienated and enemies in your minde by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled in the body of his fle&s;h, through death.</HI> The&s;e be the chief places of Scriptures the Quakers do prove them&s;elves to be fle&s;h of Chri&s;ts fle&s;h, and bone of his bone: and for want of explaining the&s;e words, making no di&s;tinction, they cheat many ignorant people of the peace of their minds, and of the knowledge of the true body of Chri&s;t without them.</P>
<P>Let the Reader but minde the words of <HI>Paul</HI> before, and they may ea&s;ily &s;ee that <HI>Pauls</HI> minde was quite contrary to the Quakers; for the Apo&s;tle &s;peaks of Believers being Chri&s;ts body, and mem|bers of Chri&s;ts body, no otherwi&s;e than he did of Chri&s;ts being within the Saints, as I &s;aid before, that is, by the union the Saints have with Chri&s;t by faith in the true Preachers of the Go&s;pel, they come to be members of Chri&s;ts body, and &s;o called the body of Chri&s;t the Head, as you may &s;ee, <HI>Rom.</HI> 12.5. and 1 <HI>Cor.</HI> 12.12. and <HI>Eph.</HI> 5.30. and <HI>Col.</HI> 1.21. The&s;e places all prove that the Saints be|ing
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true Believers are counted the members and body of Chri&s;t, in re&s;pect of that union they have with Chri&s;t by faith in his Death, Re&s;urrection, and A&s;cen&s;ion, knowing that Chri&s;ts body lives for ever, and that his blood hath redeemed their &s;ouls from eternal death, and knowing he is a&s;cended to po&s;&s;e&s;s a per&s;onal glory, and to prepare Man&s;ions of per&s;onal glory for his Saints, and tho&s;e that are truely united to him by faith, may be &s;aid by <HI>Paul</HI> to be members of Chri&s;ts body, and to be Chri&s;ts body: but this body is but by the union of faith in Chri&s;t, and by the way of compa|ri&s;on; for this body hath never a head, but the whole Body and Per&s;on of Chri&s;t without the Saints, is the Head of this Body; &s;o that if Chri&s;t had never a body of his own, but the Saints bodies, as the Quakers do vainly imagine, he would be but a &s;ad Chri&s;t. And becau&s;e you may &s;ee that the Apo&s;tle did mean no otherwi&s;e than I have &s;aid; <HI>For,</HI> &s;aith he, in <HI>Rom.</HI> 12.4, 5. <HI>as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the &s;ame office; &s;o,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>we being many, are one body in Chri&s;t, and every one members one of another.</HI></P>
<P>So that all true Believers, though &s;ome be Prophets, Apo&s;tles, or any other gifts of the Spirit that any man hath, it is given for the good of others, who are members of the &s;ame faith with him, and &s;o all that are partakers of the &s;ame faith with him, if they be ever &s;o many, they all make up but one body of Chri&s;t, even as all the members of a mans body makes up but one body.</P>
<P>But all this while the&s;e members that makes up one body, what will this body &s;ignifie without a head? Now tho&s;e natural mem|bers that makes up a natural body, what will this body &s;ignifie if it hath never a head? So it is with true Believers, if there were ne|ver a Head of this Body of Faith without men, even Chri&s;t Je&s;us, where then &s;hould the motions and acts of Faith in a man repair to have union and communion with their Head Chri&s;t Je&s;us? Mu&s;t they go into them&s;elves to finde Chri&s;t their Head there? Surely no: but the motions and acts of Faith that doth ari&s;e from th<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="UOM" EXTENT="1 letter"> Seed of Faith, which is the Seed of Chri&s;t in every true Believer, whereby he comes to have union with Chri&s;t their Head, and &s;o he is made a member of Chri&s;t; and &s;o all the Believers that have been from the beginning, and &s;hall truly believe, to the latter end of the world, they make up but one body of Chri&s;t, and this body is cal|led
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<HI>Chri&s;ts Body,</HI> but by vertue of union of Faith, and not by Chri&s;ts being e&s;&s;entially in men, as the Quakers do vainly ima|gine. The Apo&s;tle &s;ufficiently clears this thing in tho&s;e places a|fore-mentioned, &s;o that I need &s;peak no more of it here.</P>
<P>But I &s;hall give the Reader to under&s;tand the difference between that body, that is called a body by union, and that body that is &s;o in it &s;elf. As for example: A woman is &s;aid to be fle&s;h of her hu&s;|bands fle&s;h, and bone of his bone, as <HI>Adam</HI> &s;aid concerning <HI>Eve</HI> his wife; So <HI>Eph.</HI> 5.31. <HI>For this cau&s;e &s;hall a man leave his father and mother, and &s;hall be joyned to his wife, and they two &s;hall be one fle&s;h.</HI> Here the Reader may &s;ee that a man and his wife are made one fle&s;h, by vertue of union and in&s;titution: now they are not really one fle&s;h, but they are made one fle&s;h by union and in&s;titu|tion, as afore&s;aid; for when a man lieth with a harlot, he makes him&s;elf a member of a harlot, by that union, and &s;o the harlot is made one fle&s;h with this man. Now this man is none of her fle&s;h, nor &s;he his not really &s;o; for &s;ome men do abhor it &s;hould be &s;o, yet by union with a harlot many times men come to be fle&s;h of her fle&s;h, and &s;o are become di&s;ea&s;ed with her di&s;ea&s;e, even with the Pox, &s;o that the&s;e are become double fle&s;h of one anothers fle&s;h by that union they had with each other; the&s;e things I have known by Ranters and others.</P>
<P>Now minde the di&s;tinction: a childe that a man begets of his wife, is more fle&s;h of his fle&s;h, and bone of his bone, than his wife is: why? becau&s;e the childe is indeed fle&s;h of his fle&s;h, and bone of his bone, becau&s;e children came out of the mans loyns, as the twelve Patriarchs came forth of <HI>Jacobs</HI> loyns: now the&s;e were really fle&s;h of his fle&s;h, and bone of his bone naturally &s;o, and not by union, as a man and his wife that were two, are by union made one fle&s;h.</P>
<P>So likewi&s;e the Scriptures &s;peaks of two &s;orts of bodies, as that in 1 <HI>Cor.</HI> 15.44. <HI>there is a natural body, and a &s;piritual body;</HI> a cele|&s;tial body, and a terre&s;trial body: now the&s;e bodies cannot go one into another, but mortal bodies may be made &s;piritual bodies, and &s;piritual bodies may be made mortal bodies by the power of the Creator, as it were by the Serpent Angel, he was a &s;piritual body when he deceived <HI>Eve,</HI> but when he was made mortal, he was cal|led <HI>Cur&s;ed Cain:</HI> So the Lord from heaven was a &s;piritual body
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before he over-&s;hadowed the Virgin <HI>Mary,</HI> but afterwards this &s;pi|rit al body was a pure mortal body, and that mortal body was caned <HI>A Ble&s;&s;ed Je&s;us.</HI> This is the great My&s;tery to the world! and this Je&s;us is that God that prepared a pure mortal body for him|&s;elf, that he might be capable to be put to death in this body, to redeem the lo&s;t Seed of <HI>Adam:</HI> And this is that body I &s;ay is not in the Quakers, neither are the Quakers of Chri&s;ts body by union, nor fle&s;h of his fle&s;h, nor bone of his bone not by union, and tho&s;e Believers were the Apo&s;tle writ unto; for the Apo&s;tle was cho&s;en of Chri&s;t without him, and had a Commi&s;&s;ion to preach Chri&s;t to others, and tho&s;e that did believe his Commi&s;&s;ion were one in faith with him, and &s;o they by faith might know that Chri&s;t was in them, except they were reprobates; that is, except they were un|believing: for if they had faith in the true Chri&s;t which he had taught them, then Chri&s;t did dwell in their hearts by faith, and they &s;hould know by faith in them&s;elves that they were not repro|bates; and by the union they &s;hould have with Chri&s;t by faith, they &s;hould become members of Chri&s;t, yea, they &s;hould be coun|ted fle&s;h of his fle&s;h, and bone of his bone; This is the true mean|ing of the Scriptures.</P>
<P>But the Speakers of the Quakers have no Commi&s;&s;ion from Chri&s;t to preach, as the Apo&s;tles had, neither have the Believers of the Quakers any true faith in Chri&s;ts per&s;on, or body, without them, and &s;o the Speakers and Hearers are both in the &s;tate of reproba|tion, neither doth Chri&s;t dwell in their hearts by faith; for true faith they have none, but the faith of devils: And that which they call the <HI>Light of Chri&s;t in them,</HI> is nothing el&s;e but the Light of the Law written in their hearts, for true faith in Chri&s;ts per&s;on they have none; &s;o they call the Light of the Law in them, the Light of Chri&s;t, becau&s;e the Law convinces them of &s;in.</P>
<P>Now this Law written in the Quakers hearts, is the light of Chri&s;ts Creation, and this light of the Law that Chri&s;t hath writ|ten in the heart of man, it is written in the heart of every devil, and &s;o in the heart of the Speakers of the Quakers, and they teach their di&s;ciples to harken to the light within them, and &s;aith Chri&s;t is in them; but this is no &s;aving light, neither is Chri&s;t within them, neither are the Quakers members of Chri&s;ts body, nor bone of his bone, nor fle&s;h of his fle&s;h; for they have no faith in his
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per&s;on without them, &s;o that <HI>Fox</HI> his Cheat and Deceit is made manife&s;t by the Scriptures being interpreted.</P>
<P N="11">11. Page 11. <HI>Fox</HI> is very angry with me for &s;aying, Rea&s;on is the Devil, <HI>and yet,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>thou give&s;t a rea&s;on for what thou doe&s;t:</HI> and becau&s;e I give a rea&s;on of my doings, <HI>therefore,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>I am judged out of my own mouth to be the Devil, Rea&s;on.</HI></P>
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<DIV2 N="13" TYPE="chapter">
<HEAD>CHAP. XIII. <HI>ANSWER.</HI></HEAD>
<P>HEre <HI>Fox</HI> the Quaker hath &s;hewed him&s;elf an ignorant devil, that cannot give a rea&s;on of the hope that is in him, but for fear he &s;hould be counted a devil, takes up other mens words, and the Scriptures mu&s;t give a rea&s;on for <HI>Fox,</HI> how that he is no reprobate, becau&s;e the Scriptures &s;aith to Believers in that time, <HI>Know ye not that Chri&s;t is in you, except ye be reprobates? And be ready to render a rea&s;on of the hope within you:</HI> But <HI>Fox</HI> him&s;elf hath no knowledge but that he is a reprobate, but I perfectly know that <HI>Fox</HI> is a reprobate, and I can give a rea&s;on why he &s;hould, and will be damned to eternity, though <HI>Fox</HI> can give no rea&s;on for it. What would <HI>Fox</HI> have done if he had not had other mens words to prove Chri&s;t within, and to give a rea&s;on of the hope they had in Chri&s;t? for <HI>Fox</HI> hath no intere&s;t in the Scriptures. But I &s;hall open this point &s;omething more hereafter, where he &s;peaketh of Rea&s;on, in the 19th page of his Pamphlet.</P>
<P N="12">12. Page 11. <HI>And</HI> Muggleton <HI>&s;aith, he rejoyceth in his Cur&s;ings, and them that he doth Cur&s;e and Sentence, &s;hall never &s;ee any other God, or Judge.</HI></P>
<P><HI>But,</HI> &s;aith <HI>Fox, how now</HI> Muggleton, <HI>art thou become God, and Judge? Mu&s;t not all appear before the Judgement-&s;eat of Chri&s;t, to have their &s;entence and reward from him, whether they have done good or evil?</HI></P>
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<DIV2 N="14" TYPE="chapter">
<HEAD>CHAP. XIV. <HI>ANSWER.</HI></HEAD>
<P>DO you <HI>Fox,</HI> and the Speakers of the Quakers, indeed believe that you &s;hall appear before the Judgement-&s;eat of Chri&s;t,
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to receive the reward of deeds done in your bodies, whether good or evil? If you do, I &s;hall &s;ay this unto you, that when you do ap|pear before the Judgement-&s;eat of Chri&s;t, <HI>John Reeve</HI> and my &s;elf &s;hall be there al&s;o, and look what Sentence and Judgement we have given upon you and others here upon earth, the &s;ame Sen|tence will Chri&s;t give when you appear before his Judgement-&s;eat; and look what bla&s;phemy again&s;t the Holy Spirit you have com|mitted in this natural body you now have, you &s;hall have the pu|ni&s;hment of that bla&s;phemy again&s;t the Holy Gho&s;t that &s;ent us, puni&s;hed in that &s;piritual dark body you &s;hall have, when Chri&s;t doth rai&s;e you again, and then you &s;hall know that you did ap|pear before the Judgement-&s;eat of Chri&s;t, when you appeared to re&s;i&s;t the Holy Gho&s;t in us the Witne&s;&s;es of the Spirit; and look what Judgement and Sentence we the Witne&s;&s;es of the Spirit have given you here in this world, the &s;ame Judgement and Sentence &s;hall be upon you in the world to come, even to eternity. And when you <HI>Fox</HI> appeared before us, to re&s;i&s;t the Holy Gho&s;t in us, then did you appear before the Judgement-&s;eat of Chri&s;t, and look what Judgement I have given you and others, it may be &s;aid to be the Judgement and Sentence of Chri&s;t, and that you appear before the Judgement-&s;eat of Chri&s;t.</P>
<P>As it is in all Courts of natural Ju&s;tice, when men are condemn|ed by the Judge for the breach of the Law, doth not &s;uch an one appear before the Judgment-&s;eat of the King? What are all Courts of Ju&s;tice, but the Judgment-&s;eat of the King? and who&s;oever is ju|&s;tified or condemned by the Judges of the&s;e Courts, they may be &s;aid to be ju&s;tified, or acquitted; or judged, or condemned before the Judgement-&s;eat of the King.</P>
<P>In like manner it is with the Judgement-&s;eat of Chri&s;t, Chri&s;t is the chief Judge and King of Heaven and Earth, yet he hath gi|ven power to his Prophets, Apo&s;tles, and Witne&s;&s;es of the Spirit, to be Emba&s;&s;adors and Judges in his &s;tead, as it is with Earthly Kings, &s;o that who ever appears before the true Emba&s;&s;adors of Chri&s;t, they do appear before the Judgement-&s;eat of Chri&s;t, and look what Judgement the Emba&s;&s;adors, who are Judges, do give upon a man; if ju&s;tified, then Chri&s;t ju&s;tifies; if condemned, then condemned, and there is no appealing to any other; So that you <HI>Fox,</HI> you have appeared before the Judgement-&s;eat of Chri&s;t al|ready,
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and have received your Judgement and Sentence already, but the execution of it is not yet come: and when you appear be|fore the Judgement-&s;eat of Chri&s;t as you mean, and I &s;hall be there al&s;o, and look what Sentence I have pa&s;&s;ed upon you and others here, the &s;ame &s;hall I pa&s;s upon you. When Chri&s;t which is my Life, doth appear, then &s;hall I appear with him in glory, and &s;hall &s;it upon a Throne of glory, and &s;hall judge you wicked de&s;pi&s;ers of a per&s;onal God, with the &s;ame Sentence of eternal Damnation, as I did when I was here in mortality; and then &s;hall you <HI>Fox</HI> know to your endle&s;s mi&s;ery, that God gave power to a mortal man like your &s;elf, to give Judgement and Sentence of eternal Damnation upon you, though you de&s;pi&s;e and &s;corn that a mortal man &s;hould give Sentence upon you Speakers of the Quakers and others, but you &s;hall finde the Sentence of a mortal man as really true upon you, as if the Immortal God him&s;elf had pa&s;&s;ed it upon you. But the Reader may finde this more largely opened in <HI>The Quakers Neck broken.</HI></P>
<P>But to make it appear more plain to the Reader, that the Judg|ment-&s;eat of Chri&s;t is in this world, as well as hereafter, and that all Prophets, Apo&s;tles, and true Me&s;&s;engers and Mini&s;ters of Chri&s;t, if they be cho&s;en by him, they are Judges; and tho&s;e that do appear before them, or any of them, they may be &s;aid to appear before the Judgement-&s;eat of Chri&s;t, and look what Judgement Chri&s;ts Jud|ges, which he hath cho&s;en and given them a Commi&s;&s;ion, doth give Sentence either of Ju&s;tification or Condemnation, they received this Sentence before the Judgement-&s;eat of Chri&s;t, becau&s;e the&s;e Judges are cho&s;en by him, as it is with other Judges in the tem|poral, as afore&s;aid.</P>
<P>This I &s;hall make more appear by Scripture, as <HI>Mat.</HI> 19.29. where Chri&s;t &s;aith to his twelve Apo&s;tles, <HI>You,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>&s;hall &s;it up|on twelve Thrones, judging the twelve Tribes of I&s;rael.</HI> Now let the Reader minde: The&s;e twelve Apo&s;tles had the Keyes of Heaven and Hell given them here, and they had power to remit &s;ins, and to retain mens &s;ins, that is, they had power to forgive &s;ins, and power to retain &s;ins; that is, they had power to ju&s;tifie that man or woman that believed their doctrine, and they had power to con|demn tho&s;e that de&s;pi&s;ed, and did not believe their doctrine: now the&s;e people &s;o ju&s;tified and condemned by the&s;e Apo&s;tles and true
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Preachers, they did appear before the Judgement-&s;eat of Chri&s;t, for they were appointed Judges in his &s;tead; and that the Reader may under&s;tand how the&s;e Apo&s;tles &s;hould judge the twelve Tribes of <HI>I&s;rael,</HI> I declare unto you thus.</P>
<P>That the&s;e Twelve had their Commi&s;&s;ion from Chri&s;t to preach the Go&s;pel of Chri&s;t, unto the twelve Tribes of <HI>I&s;rael,</HI> though ma|ny Gentiles believed al&s;o, yet <HI>Paul</HI> was chiefly &s;ent unto the Gentiles, and cho&s;en of Chri&s;t to preach him unto the Gentiles; but the other twelve Apo&s;tles their Me&s;&s;age was chiefly to preach Chri&s;t unto the twelve Tribes of <HI>I&s;rael,</HI> which were the Jewes in their time, and as many of tho&s;e Jewes as did believe in the&s;e twelve Apo&s;tles Doctrine, concerning Chri&s;ts Death, Re&s;urrecti|on, and A&s;cen&s;ion, and other things belonging thereunto, which they preached, I &s;ay the Apo&s;tles had power to give Sentence of Ble&s;&s;edne&s;s upon tho&s;e which did truly believe their Doctrine, and that their &s;ins were forgiven them, and &s;o they came to be ju&s;ti|fied in their own con&s;ciences, ju&s;tified before God, and &s;o had peace with God.</P>
<P>So on the contrary, tho&s;e that did not believe the Apo&s;tles Me&s;|&s;age, but rather de&s;pi&s;ed it, &s;poke evil of it, and per&s;ecuted it, cal|ling it Bla&s;phemy, Here&s;ie, Deceit, and Lies, which many of tho&s;e Jews did, the Apo&s;tles had power to pronounce and condemn tho&s;e unbelieving Jewes who de&s;pi&s;ed and &s;pake evil of the Do|ctrine of Chri&s;t: Al&s;o they had power to retain their &s;ins, &s;o that God &s;hould never forgive them, &s;o that they &s;hould never be for|given in the con&s;cience, nor forgiven of God: So that the&s;e twelve Apo&s;tles doth judge the twelve Tribes of <HI>I&s;rael</HI> here in this world; &s;ome they have judged eternally happy, becau&s;e they believed their report; others they judged eternally damned for their unbelief and de&s;pi&s;ings, as afore&s;aid; &s;o that the Apo&s;tles did judge the Twelve Tribes of <HI>I&s;rael</HI> in their time, as afore&s;aid; and this Judg|ment of theirs is the Judgement-&s;eat of Chri&s;t, and the&s;e twelve Tribes were before the Judgement-&s;eat of Chri&s;t &s;o long as the Apo&s;tles Commi&s;&s;ion la&s;ted, which was a matter of three hundred and fifty years after Chri&s;ts death; So that the&s;e twelve Apo&s;tles may be &s;aid to judge the twelve Tribes of <HI>I&s;rael</HI> here in this life, by their Doctrine of Chri&s;t.</P>
<P>Al&s;o it may be &s;aid that the twelve Tribes of <HI>I&s;rael</HI> did appear
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before the Judgement-&s;eat of Chri&s;t, for many of them were ju|&s;tified by faith in Chri&s;t, and many were condemned by unbelief in Chri&s;t, &s;o that every one had the Sentence in them&s;elves by the Apo&s;tles judging, whether happy or unhappy; and for this faith|ful &s;ervice the twelve Apo&s;tles have done in this life, in judging according to their Commi&s;&s;ion, they &s;hall &s;it upon twelve Thrones of Glory in the Re&s;urrection, and &s;hall give the &s;ame Judgement upon the twelve Tribes there, as they did here: that is, they will ju&s;tifie the &s;ame Sentence of Salvation and Damnation upon the twelve Tribes of <HI>I&s;rael,</HI> as they gave here in mortality; they will ju&s;tifie the &s;ame before Chri&s;t their King, when they do &s;it upon twelve Thrones of immortal Glory, and many that believed them here, &s;hall &s;ee them in that glory; and many that were condemned here, &s;hall &s;ee in their own con&s;ciences that their Sentence was true, even as the Rich man did that was in hell.</P>
</DIV2>
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<HEAD>CHAP. XV.</HEAD>
<P>SO likewi&s;e <HI>Mo&s;es</HI> and the Prophets were Judges, and did judge tho&s;e that believed their Report, to be happy; and tho&s;e which did not, unhappy; as you may &s;ee <HI>John</HI> 5.25. In that Chapter the Jews do upbraid Chri&s;t, as if he did accu&s;e the Jews worthy of condemnation, for not believing in him; <HI>But,</HI> &s;aith Chri&s;t, <HI>do not you think that I will accu&s;e you to the Father, there is one,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>that accu&s;eth you, even</HI> Mo&s;es <HI>in whom you tru&s;t; for,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>had you be|lieved</HI> Mo&s;es, <HI>you would have believed me, for he wrote of me.</HI> The meaning is this, That &s;eeing their Fathers did not believe <HI>Mo&s;es,</HI> neither obeyed they him, but murmured again&s;t him, and tempted God at the Waters of <HI>Meribah,</HI> and at &s;everal other times, whereby their carca&s;es fell in the wilderne&s;s, by their provoking the Lord to anger, in murmuring again&s;t <HI>Mo&s;es</HI> and <HI>Aaron;</HI> and the&s;e Jews in Chri&s;ts time being the children of tho&s;e that tempted God, when they tempted <HI>Mo&s;es,</HI> they being devils that tempted <HI>Mo&s;es,</HI> yet he being dead, the&s;e their children put their tru&s;t in his Writings, and condemns their own Fathers, &s;aying, <HI>Had we lived and &s;een tho&s;e things, and great wonders our Fathers &s;aw</HI> Mo&s;es <HI>and the Prophets did, we would never have murmured again&s;t</HI> Mo&s;es, <HI>nor have per&s;ecuted the Prophets, as our Fathers did:</HI> But when the greate&s;t wonder of all
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that ever God did for the &s;atisfaction of mans minde, was done upon earth, that is, God manife&s;t in fle&s;h; the God and Savior of the world become very man, &s;o that men might talk with God in fle&s;h, as a man talketh with his friend.</P>
<P>Even that Prophet that &s;hould be rai&s;ed up like unto <HI>Mo&s;es,</HI> whom <HI>Mo&s;es</HI> advi&s;ed the Generations to come to hear him, and all the Prophets foretold of him, yet when he was come, the&s;e Jews did not believe him no more than their Fathers did believe <HI>Mo&s;es,</HI> but they tempted him as their Fathers tempted <HI>Mo&s;es:</HI> Neither did Chri&s;t accu&s;e, nor judge the&s;e Jews, nor their Fathers for unbe|lief, but leaves them to <HI>Mo&s;es</HI> in whom they tru&s;ted; &s;o that <HI>Mo|&s;es</HI> and the Prophets &s;hall be the Judges of all tho&s;e that put their tru&s;t in their Writings; and who ever did, or doth truely believe their Writings concerning Chri&s;t to come, or truely believe when he was come, they are all ju&s;tified, and &s;hall be &s;aved by the Wri|tings of <HI>Mo&s;es</HI> and the Prophets.</P>
<P>So on the contrary, all tho&s;e Jews that read <HI>Mo&s;es</HI> Writings, and the Prophets, and profe&s;&s;ed obedience unto them, yet did not truely believe them, but rather de&s;pi&s;ed and per&s;ecuted tho&s;e that foretold of a Chri&s;t the Savior; and the children of tho&s;e Jews per&s;ecuted the Savior him&s;elf: the&s;e, I &s;ay, are all to be accu&s;ed and judged by <HI>Mo&s;es</HI> and the Prophets, for they made a profe&s;&s;ion of their Writings, but under&s;tood, nor believed nothing of them; &s;o the&s;e Jews have appeared before the Judgement-&s;eat of Chri&s;t, and they will have no other Accu&s;er or Judge but <HI>Mo&s;es,</HI> in who&s;e Letter men put their tru&s;t: So that <HI>Mo&s;es</HI> will be always &s;peaking in the con&s;cience, as the blood of <HI>Abel</HI> did in <HI>Cains</HI> con&s;cience, fear and horror: And this is the Judgement-&s;eat of Chri&s;t that the&s;e men afore&s;aid &s;hall, and hath appeared before; for <HI>Mo&s;es</HI> and the Prophets were Judges in Chri&s;ts &s;tead.</P>
<P>So that all Commi&s;&s;ionated men whom God hath cho&s;en to re|veal the My&s;teries of the Kingdom of Heaven to mankinde, they are all Judges, and are in Chri&s;ts &s;tead, and what Judgement they give in &s;piritual matters, Chri&s;t doth own as his own Judgement; &s;o that who ever is judged by any of the&s;e Judges, they may be &s;aid to be judged, whether it be the Sentence of Ju&s;tification, or Sen|tence of Condemnation, to eternity; and that they received this Sentence before the Judgement-&s;eat of Chri&s;t.</P>
<P><PB N="36" REF="23">Al&s;o the&s;e Judges &s;hall all &s;it upon Thrones of Immortal Glory, in the Cele&s;tial Heavens, being faithful here upon earth, as <HI>Mo&s;es</HI> was in his hou&s;e, that was in his Commi&s;&s;ion of the Law, and the Apo&s;tles in the Go&s;pel, and we the Witne&s;&s;es of the Spirit, accord|ing to the tenor of our Commi&s;&s;ion have been faithful al&s;o; &s;o that <HI>Mo&s;es,</HI> the Prophets, and Apo&s;tles, and we the Witne&s;&s;es of the Spirit, &s;hall &s;it upon Thrones of Glory as Judges in the pre&s;ence of Chri&s;t, our God, our King, and our Redeemer in the highe&s;t Heavens. So much concerning the Judgement-&s;eat of Chri&s;t.</P>
<P N="13">13. The &s;ame page <HI>Muggleton</HI> &s;aith, Becau&s;e he hath pa&s;&s;ed Sen|tence upon the Quakers, they &s;hall never grow to have more ex|perience in Vi&s;ions, and Revelations, but &s;hall wither.</P>
<P><HI>Here,</HI> &s;aith <HI>Fox, are more of</HI> Muggleton's <HI>Lies, for,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>the truth &s;preads, yea and will &s;pread over the whole world more and more.</HI></P>
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<HEAD>CHAP. XVI. <HI>ANSWER.</HI></HEAD>
<P>I Do know and affirm, that tho&s;e Speakers of the Quakers, and others whom I have pa&s;&s;ed the Sentence of eternal Damnation upon, that they have not, nor do grow in any Experience nor Re|velation &s;ince the Sentence of damnation was pa&s;&s;ed on them, as ex|perience doth plainly manife&s;t, and many will witne&s;s unto it. And as for <HI>Fox</HI> him&s;elf, what Experience and new Revelation of Scrip|ture have you had &s;ince you were damned a matter of fourteen years ago? Have you publi&s;hed any other things but what you did at the fir&s;t? no not &s;o much as you did at the fir&s;t; for then it was your Principle of Zeal to fall into Witchcraft-fits, &s;uppo&s;ing it was the Spirit of Chri&s;t that moved you to foam at the mouth, and &s;igh, and groan, and &s;well with &s;piritual Witchcraft, and howl and groan as if hell were like to bur&s;t in you; and perhaps a while af|ter your &s;pirit would break forth into a many non-&s;en&s;ical words, as if the devil had broke forth out of hell: was not this your pra|ctice? and were not the&s;e the mo&s;t eminent Quakers counted a|mong&s;t you, who had tho&s;e Witchcraft-fits? for the Quakers re|velation doth ari&s;e in them onely when the Witchcraft-fit is upon them; nay, I have known &s;ome that have followed the Quakers,
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de&s;iring to be of them, and earne&s;tly de&s;iring in their Meetings to have tho&s;e Fits as other Quakers had; for they thought &s;uch per|&s;ons who had tho&s;e Witchcraft-fits to be much in the favor of God, and that tho&s;e Fits had been wrought by the Spirit of Chri&s;t, and that he had revealed great things unto them; and becau&s;e the par|ties afore&s;aid could not produce tho&s;e Fits in them&s;elves, as they &s;aw others have, notwith&s;tanding their melancholy life, their fra|ming their outward aparrel, and ob&s;erving every motion in the minde, according to the Quakers doctrine, they left no &s;tone un|turned, nor no endeavor neglected in the Quakers way, that they might attain tho&s;e Witchcraft-fits, but could not attain them do what they could: They got the Quakers language of <HI>Thee</HI> and <HI>Thou,</HI> but could not attain the Fits; neither would &s;ome of tho&s;e Quakers own one of the&s;e per&s;ons becau&s;e &s;he had not &s;uch Fits as they had, &s;o &s;he was forc'd to leave them. And the cau&s;e why the&s;e per&s;ons afore&s;aid could have no &s;uch Fits, it was becau&s;e they had talked with me before they fell to the Quakers Principles, &s;o that no Witchcraft-Fit could be produced in them, though their en|deavors were great.</P>
<P>Al&s;o I have drove the Witchcraft-power out of Quakers that have been &s;trongly po&s;&s;e&s;t, &s;o that they have never had Fit more. And as for you, <HI>Fox,</HI> have you ever had any Witchcraft-fit &s;ince you were damned? did you ever fall into a &s;woon, and lye as one dumb? and hath the &s;pirit of Rea&s;on the devil, which you call the Light of Chri&s;t in you? I ask, hath he revealed any my&s;teries of the Scriptures in the time of your Fit, &s;ince you were damned fourteen years ago? Is your revelation of Rea&s;on to be &s;een in writing, yea or nay?</P>
<P>Again, hath <HI>Samuel Hooton, William Smith, Edward Bourn, Ri|chard Farn&s;worth,</HI> and many others that were damned of late years, have they had any Witchcraft-fits &s;ince? or any new revelation? if they have, let them be brought forth to the light. Do you <HI>George Fox</HI> know any Quaker that I have pa&s;&s;ed the Sentence upon, that can produce a Witchcraft-fit afterwards? If no Fit can be produ|ced as formerly, then I &s;ay no true revelation nor experience can ari&s;e in the Quake<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="UOM" EXTENT="1 letter">s hearts: Nay, this Sentence it puts a &s;top to the revelation of Rea&s;on al&s;o, el&s;e why &s;hould Quakers fall &s;o, as you do, from your fir&s;t Principle? for you are not like the people
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you were &s;ixteen years ago, there were few Quakers then but they had Witchcraft-fits, but now of late I do not hear of any Quaker that hath any Fits, no not &s;o much as to buzz or hum before the Fit comes. But if you <HI>Fox</HI> doth know any of you Quakers that have any of tho&s;e Witchcraft-fits as formerly, bring them to me, or let me hear of it, and I &s;hall ca&s;t out that devil which cau&s;ed tho&s;e Fits, &s;o that they &s;hall never have more, but &s;hall be &s;en&s;ible and in their right mind. So <HI>Fox,</HI> you &s;hall finde my words to be truth, and no lie, that the Quakers after the Sentence is pa&s;t upon them, &s;hall never grow to have more experience in Vi&s;ions and Revela|tions, but &s;hall wither. Do not you, <HI>Fox,</HI> finde this to be true? if you do not, others will witne&s;s unto it to be truth.</P>
<P>But you &s;ay, <HI>The truth &s;preads:</HI> I know the truth &s;preads, but not the Quakers Witchcraft-fits which produced Vi&s;ions, Appari|tions, and Revelations which the Quakers thought had been pro|duced by the Spirit of Chri&s;t, but they were produced by the &s;pi|rit of Rea&s;on the Devil, in them&s;elves; and the&s;e Fits, Vi&s;ions, Apparitions, and Revelations in the Quakers are greatly withe|red away of late by that Sentence I have pa&s;&s;ed upon the Speak|ers of the Quakers, and others of that opinion, &s;o that tho&s;e Fits of theirs makes mo&s;t people a&s;hamed to own them, which formerly people thought them the mo&s;t knowing&s;t that was po&s;&s;e&s;t with a Witchcraft-fit; &s;o that it is plain and clear, and many that were lovers of the Quakers way of Wor&s;hip that can, and will witne&s;s that their experience in Vi&s;ions and Revelation are withered, and come to nothing.</P>
<P>But <HI>Fox</HI> thinks becau&s;e a many ignorant people comes to hear the Quakers &s;peak their ninny-nonies over and over again, there|fore the <HI>Truth,</HI> as he calls it, <HI>&s;preads,</HI> but when it was at the be&s;t, it was but a lie that &s;preads; indeed a lie will &s;pread very fa&s;t, but truth &s;preads very &s;lowly; for truth was ten years in the world, and there was not much above forty per&s;ons that owned it, but the Quakers at that time had many thou&s;ands that were Quakers, as was expre&s;t by tho&s;e five damned Quakers in <HI>Ea&s;tcheap,</HI> mentioned in that Book called <HI>The Quakers Neck broken.</HI></P>
<P N="14">14. Page 14. <HI>Muggleton</HI> &s;aith, He could never finde any Quaker that would own God to be a per&s;on in form of a man, which &s;hews the Quakers darkne&s;s.</P>
<P><PB N="39" REF="24"><HI>Here,</HI> &s;aith <HI>Fox,</HI> Muggleton <HI>hath &s;hewed his ignorance of the Scri|ptures; for,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>the Scriptures &s;aith, That God is a Spirit: And Chri&s;t &s;aith, that a Spirit hath not fle&s;h and bone as I have. And,</HI> &s;aith <HI>Fox, God fills heaven and earth; and herein,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>thou ha&s;t &s;hewed thy ignorance and darkne&s;s.</HI></P>
</DIV2>
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<HEAD>CHAP. XVII. <HI>ANSWER.</HI></HEAD>
<P>TO this I &s;hall make it appear to the Reader, that my words are truth, and that <HI>Fox</HI> hath &s;hewed his ignorance and dark|ne&s;s, both of Gods filling Heaven and earth, and that <HI>Fox</HI> nor the Quakers doth not believe that Chri&s;t hath fle&s;h and bone of his own di&s;tinct of him&s;elf, and that this fle&s;h and bone of Chri&s;t is now in heaven above the &s;tars.</P>
<P>Let the Reader minde the words of Chri&s;t: His di&s;ciples &s;uppo|&s;ed they had &s;een a Spirit, the&s;e di&s;ciples were ignorant at that time as mo&s;t people, thinking that Spirits might walk without bo|dies, or that Spirits might a&s;&s;ume bodies, and appear to men: this ignorant opinion was in the di&s;ciples of Chri&s;t before they were endued with power from on high, and this is the general opinion of all men, but tho&s;e that have a Commi&s;&s;ion from God; for if God had never cho&s;en Prophets and Apo&s;tles, and Witne&s;&s;es, to enlighten the under&s;tanding of people, all people in the world would have believed &s;o; therefore it was that Prophets cau&s;ed Kings to put to death all Witches and Wizards that dealt with familiar &s;pirits, as <HI>Samuel</HI> did, and King <HI>Saul,</HI> out of <HI>I&s;rael;</HI> but all the Na|tions of the earth be&s;ides did practice Witchcraft, and dealing with familiar &s;pirits, and did believe that &s;pirits might, and did walk without bodies, and could a&s;&s;ume what &s;hapes they plea&s;e. The &s;ame opinion is now all the world over, and in the Quakers al&s;o; and the di&s;ciples of Chri&s;t at that time had a &s;match of the Heathen opinion in them, which made them through their ignorance to &s;up|po&s;e they had &s;een a Spirit without a body to walk before them: but Chri&s;t willing to convince them of that vain and lying opinion &s;aith to his di&s;ciples, <HI>Feel me, and handle me, for a Spirit hath not fle&s;h and bone as I have;</HI> as if he &s;hould &s;ay, No Spirit can appear without a body, for a Spirit without a body is a meer &s;hadow pre|&s;ented
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to your fanta&s;ie through your ignorance, as if Chri&s;t &s;hould &s;ay, do not believe that Spirits can walk without bodies, there is no &s;uch thing, it is but a meer &s;hadow you &s;uppo&s;e to be a Spirit, but come to me, and feel me, and handle me, for a &s;hadow as you take or think to be a Spirit, hath not fle&s;h and bone, nor is of no &s;ub&s;tance as I am. This was after Chri&s;t was ri&s;en from the dead, and before the Apo&s;tles had received power from on high, &s;o that the Reader may &s;ee that Chri&s;t had fle&s;h and bone after he was ri&s;en from the dead: now I would fain know of the Quakers what became of this fle&s;h and bone of Chri&s;t, where it went, or where it is now? Sure you Quakers will not &s;ay this fle&s;h and bone of Chri&s;t is within you, neither will you acknowledge that the fle&s;h and bone which is the body of Chri&s;t ri&s;en from the dead, to be now in Heaven above the &s;tars di&s;tinct of him&s;elf: for that body of Chri&s;t which was felt and handled by his di&s;ciples, was that body that was prepared for the God-head Life to dwell in, and to &s;uffer, and when that body of Chri&s;t a&s;cended to Heaven, the God-head Spirit a&s;cended with it al&s;o.</P>
<P>So that there is but one God, and one body of God, &s;o that Chri&s;t is God embodyed with fle&s;h and bone in all things like unto man, &s;in excepted, as the Scriptures &s;aith; &s;o that Chri&s;t cannot be in the Quakers, neither in his body nor his &s;pirit; neither are they members of his body not by union of faith as true Believers are; for then Chri&s;t hath never a body, neither within them, nor without them; for if they &s;hould believe that Chri&s;t hath a body di&s;tinct of his own, at &s;uch a di&s;tance &amp; re&s;idence above the &s;tars, then I &s;ay the Quakers Principle of Chri&s;t within them would vani&s;h like &s;moak indeed, as it doth with many true Believers that were of the Quakers faith, before they came to know the true God, and the right devil: but the Quakers are in black, pitchy darkne&s;s, &s;o that it is a vain thing to talk to them of Heavenly My&s;teries, as the My|&s;tery of the true God, and the my&s;tery of the right devil, and how they became fle&s;h; for the Quakers have got, as they imagine, God and devil, hell and Heaven, Re&s;urrection, and all with|in them, &s;o they cannot tell where to finde any God without them, but an Infinite Spirit without a body; al&s;o their devil is a bo|dile&s;s &s;pirit, they know not from whence he came, notwith&s;tand|ing he is in them.</P>
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<HEAD>CHAP. XVIII.</HEAD>
<P>AL&s;o <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith, <HI>God fills heaven and earth.</HI> Here he repeats Scri|pture words, but never gives any Interpretation: he hath repeated many words of the Prophets, Apo&s;tles, and the words of Chri&s;t, he hath named their words to prove me a liar, but he gives no interpretation, no not one Text that he hath brought again&s;t me: I do think he never did interpret any Scripture words in his life. I marvel how the people called Quakers are &s;atisfied with their bibble-babble, that never tells what the &s;en&s;e of &s;uch words of Scripture are as they &s;o much talk of, but I cannot expect no other from Quakers, for they are all alike.</P>
<P>So <HI>William Smith, Samuel Hooton, Richard Farn&s;worth,</HI> they named many places of Scriptures, which were other mens words, again&s;t me, as <HI>Fox</HI> doth, but never did interpret any. But <HI>Fox,</HI> do you conceive that God is &s;o big a bulk, that he fills heaven and earth with his bigne&s;s? how comes it to pa&s;s then that the Quakers bo|dies and others are &s;o empty? for if God be &s;o big to fill Heaven and Earth, me thinks the Quakers bodies are but lit|tle ve&s;&s;els in compari&s;on of Heaven and Earth, they are great ve&s;&s;els, and doth certainly hold God, and yet many va&s;t places in the earth where God is not at all, and I know many Qua|kers and others that God is not in them at all, how is it then that God fills heaven and earth? Oh this blind <HI>Fox!</HI> it is the nature of Foxes to be cunning and &s;ubtile, but this <HI>Fox</HI> is ignorant and &s;im|ple to repeat Scripture words and give no di&s;tinction, that is the cau&s;e of &s;uch gro&s;s errors concerning God and devil; for <HI>Fox</HI> takes God to be an Infinite Spirit without a body, and this Spirit without a body fills heaven and earth without di&s;tinction, and &s;o <HI>Fox</HI> his de|vil is a bodile&s;s Spirit, &s;o that he can give no di&s;tinction what the devil is, though I know he is one him&s;elf: but for the Readers &s;ake I &s;hall interpret a little how God may be &s;aid to fill heaven and earth, as thus: God is a &s;ingle per&s;on in form of a man, a &s;piritual per&s;on, and no bigger in compa&s;s than a man, and he was &s;o from eternity, even of the &s;ame &s;tature as the fir&s;t <HI>Adam</HI> was, therefore &s;aid to be <HI>made ni the image and likene&s;s of God.</HI> Al&s;o Chri&s;t is &s;aid to be <HI>the expre&s;s image of his Fathers per&s;on;</HI> the meaning is this, that Chri&s;t was the expre&s;s Image of God the Father, as he was God in Immortality and Glory; and as Chri&s;t was in mortality and &s;hame
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he was the expre&s;s image of his Father <HI>Adam,</HI> for the Scriptures calls <HI>Adam</HI> his Father, and <HI>David</HI> is called Chri&s;ts Father as he was man; &s;o that Chri&s;t being God and man, &s;o that God is of no big|ger bulk or bigne&s;s, nor never was, than the compa&s;s of a man, and the fir&s;t <HI>Adam</HI> was of the &s;ame bigne&s;s for compa&s;s of per&s;on as God was that made him, and the &s;econd <HI>Adam</HI> Chri&s;t, which was God and man, was of the &s;ame compa&s;s when upon earth, as the fir&s;t <HI>Adam</HI> in the beginning of the world was, the Scriptures are full to prove this. But it would be too tedious to &s;peak of them in this place, neither was it my intention to &s;peak of this point now, onely that the Reader may &s;ee the darkne&s;s of the Quakers, to think God &s;o big a bulk to fill heaven and earth, and give no di|&s;tinction how.</P>
<P>This being a ground-work to know what God is in him&s;elf, &s;o it may ea&s;ily be under&s;tood how God fills heaven and earth: he fills heaven and earth by his wi&s;dom and power, in that he created all things by the power of his word: al&s;o by the power of his word he hath planted a Law in every creature according to its kinde, he hath by the power of his word written his Law in the holy An|gels, and all other cele&s;tial creatures in heaven, and every creature in heaven in their kinde obeys his Law written in their natures by the power of his word, &s;o that all the creatures in heaven obey him, and &s;ets forth the prai&s;e, wi&s;dom, power, and glory of their Crea|tor, their God, and King, &s;o that heaven is filled with his glory.</P>
<P>Likewi&s;e God hath written by his wi&s;dom and power of Crea|tion, a Law in every creature here upon earth, he hath written by the power of his word a Law in mans heart who is the Image of him&s;elf, whom God made lord of all other creatures; he by the power of his word hath placed a Law in the bea&s;ts of the fields, in the fowls of the air, in all &s;en&s;ible creatures hath he planted a Law, and they all obey him in their kinde, and &s;ets forth his glory.</P>
<P>Yea, he hath by the power of his word placed a &s;ecret Law in the Vegetables, as Trees, Plants, Herbs, and all things of that kind, nay, by the power of his word he hath put a Law in the Sun and Moon, to run their cour&s;e in their &s;ea&s;on appointed.</P>
<P>Al&s;o he hath placed by the power of his word a Law in the Stars, and Planets, and in all the Ho&s;t of Heaven on this &s;ide the Firma|ment; nay, he hath &s;et the Law of bounds to the Sea, and great
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Waters; all the&s;e things, and a thou&s;and times more hath he done by his wi&s;dom and power, and all the&s;e things which he hath made by the power of his word here below upon this earth, they declare his handy-works, and doth &s;hew forth the wi&s;dom, power, and glory of God their Creator, every thing in its kinde &s;hews forth the glory of God, and &s;o God hath filled the earth with his wi&s;|dom, power, and glory, in that he hath placed a Law in every thing according to his plea&s;ure, to &s;et forth his prai&s;e here on earth</P>
<P>And in this &s;en&s;e God may be &s;aid to fill the heaven and earth, and yet his per&s;on but the bigne&s;s of a man as afore&s;aid; and he may be called the <HI>Great God,</HI> in re&s;pect of his great power, but not in re&s;pect of his per&s;on; for a King may be called a great King in re&s;pect of his great power; as <HI>Nebuchadnezzar</HI> King of <HI>Babylon</HI> was of great power, as in <HI>Daniel</HI> 4.20. <HI>He was as a Tree which rea|ched up to heaven.</HI> So likewi&s;e his <HI>dominion is &s;aid to reach to the ends of the earth,</HI> as in ver&s;e 22. So that it was the greatne&s;s of his power that reached up to heaven, and to the end of the earth, that is, as far in the earth as his Power, Decrees, and Laws would reach, yet the per&s;on of this great King was no bigger in &s;tature and compa&s;s than another man.</P>
<P>So it is with God, though his power, wi&s;dom, and glory fills heaven and earth, in that he hath given Laws, and placed Bounds to all his Creation, as I &s;aid before, yet he him&s;elf is no bigger in bulk, nor in compa&s;s than a man, as the Scriptures doth in many places prove, and as I have &s;aid before; and in this &s;en&s;e the Scri|ptures doth mean that God fills heaven and earth.</P>
<P>But <HI>Fox</HI> and the Quakers looks upon God to be &s;o big in his E&s;|&s;ence and Spirit without any body, that he fills heaven and earth, the Air, and all things el&s;e with his great big Spirit without a bo|dy, this is the Quakers God, and Chri&s;t; &s;o they can get God in to them, as they think, and then when they part out of the body they now have, then their &s;pirits goes into God again, &s;o that the Quakers God and their Spirits doth &s;o whip into one another, &s;o that no body can tell where to finde either of them.</P>
<P>This is the Quakers Principle, and their imaginary God &amp; Chri&s;t, and this is that Spirit they call the Spirit of Chri&s;t in them; this is that Chri&s;t they are members of, and bone of this Spirits bone, and fle&s;h of this Spirits fle&s;h; for they abhor &s;uch a God that is a per|&s;on,
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and can be confined to one place of re&s;idence, but they mu&s;t have a great infinite Spirit who fills all places, and all things, which cannot be known nor under&s;tood what he is, &s;uch a God as this mu&s;t the Quakers have, that their &s;pirits may &s;lip into him, when death doth approach; for Quakers thinks their &s;ouls cannot die, they look upon that to come from God, therefore immortal; &s;o they think to &s;lip out of tho&s;e bodies they have, and &s;o creep into that infinite Spirit again from whence they came, as they &s;uppo&s;e, for they are of <HI>Solomons</HI> opinion, <HI>the body to the du&s;t and the &s;pirit returns to God that gave it;</HI> but <HI>Solomon</HI> was ignorant in this point, though he was a wi&s;e Man in things of nature, and you Quakers will find your thoughts and conceit in this thing fru&s;trated, and that your &s;ouls &s;hall die, neither &s;hall your &s;ouls &s;lip out of your bodies, nei|ther &s;hall it go into God again, as you doe vainly imagine; but as your &s;ouls doth die a natural death here, even in the &s;ight of others, &s;o many of you &s;hall die an eternal death hereafter, in your own bodies; &s;o that God &s;hall be no hiding place for you, but he will &s;ay, <HI>Depart from me ye workers of iniquity;</HI> for you have been the greate&s;t de&s;pi&s;ers and bla&s;phemers again&s;t a per&s;onal God, and them whom I &s;ent, of any.</P>
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<HEAD>CHAP. XIX.</HEAD>
<P>AGain it will be nece&s;&s;ary to give <HI>Fox</HI> the Quaker a little to un|der&s;tand the bigne&s;s of the right Devil. <HI>Fox</HI> may remember that I have &s;hewed before that <HI>Cain</HI> was the fir&s;t Devil in fle&s;h, and the right Devil, and that the &s;pirit of the Devil is not body le&s;s, as the Quakers doth vainly imagine; and this <HI>Cain</HI> the fir&s;t and right Devil was a Man, and of the &s;ame &s;tature and bigne&s;s as the Ser|pent Angel was who beguiled <HI>Eva,</HI> who was <HI>Cains</HI> Father.</P>
<P>For <HI>Adam</HI> was none of his Father, as I have &s;aid before, but I perceive that <HI>Fox</HI> and other Quakers are unacquainted with the right Devil; &s;o that they wonderfully &s;trange at my words, to call the Devil a right Devil, they never heard the Devil called a right Devil before.</P>
<P>I have received Letters from Quakers before, de&s;iring to have it proved by Scripture, but I perceive the Quakers are unacquainted with the right Devil, and altogether ignorant of the wrong Devil;
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for they know neither right Devil nor wrong Devil: but if <HI>Fox</HI> the Quaker will but follow my advice, he &s;hall &s;ee a right devil; let <HI>George Fox</HI> but take a <HI>Looking-gla&s;s</HI> and look into it, and he &s;hall &s;ee his own face, and then he will &s;ee a right devil, and he need go no further to &s;ee the right devil, and all other Quakers that are ignorant of the right devil, let them look into a gla&s;s and there they may &s;ee them&s;elves to be right devils, and not wrong devils.</P>
<P N="15">15. The &s;ame page <HI>Muggelton</HI> &s;aith, that Chri&s;t hath a di&s;tinct body of fle&s;h and bone of his own.</P>
<P>To this <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith, <HI>Is Chri&s;t di&s;tinct from his Saints? then how come they, &s;aith Fox, to be of his fle&s;h and bone?</HI></P>
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<HEAD>CHAP. XX. <HI>ANSWER.</HI></HEAD>
<P>HEre people may &s;ee <HI>Fox</HI> hath manife&s;ted his deceit, and how he carrieth the Principle of the Quakers in an Allegory to de|ceive the people; for their Chri&s;t they &s;o much talk of, is a meer Allegory; <HI>For</HI> &s;aith <HI>Fox</HI> in another place of his Pamphlet, <HI>we own the Son of God, and his fle&s;h, and bone, and blood, who was Crucified, and laid in the grave and ro&s;e again, and &s;its at the right hand of God.</HI></P>
<P>Here <HI>Fox</HI> &s;eems to owne Chri&s;ts Body without him, but it is in a my&s;tery; for he doth not believe that God hath any right hand or left hand either; for infinite &s;pirits hath no hands, there is no need of &s;pirits without bodies to have hands: but the Reader may plain|ly &s;ee that <HI>Fox</HI> hath a my&s;tical meaning, or el&s;e he gro&s;&s;ely con|tradicts him&s;elf:</P>
<P><HI>For,</HI> &s;aith <HI>Fox, is Chri&s;t di&s;tinct from his Saints, then how came they to be of his fle&s;h and bone?</HI> &s;o that <HI>Fox</HI> his words here are quite contrary to his words before; &s;o that it may be clear to tho&s;e that are not &s;tark blind, that the Quakers do not believe that Chri&s;ts fle&s;h and bone is now in Heaven above the Star without them; <HI>for,</HI> &s;aith <HI>Fox, can Chri&s;t be di&s;tinct from the Saints?</HI></P>
<P>So that <HI>Fox</HI> looks upon the Quakers bodies to be members of Chri&s;ts body of fle&s;h and bone, and &s;o all the Quakers bodies which they count members, they make up but one body of Chri&s;t, &amp; Chri&s;ts Spirit in them they count the head, and the Quakers fle&s;h and bone to be Chri&s;ts body of fle&s;h and bone; &s;o that Chri&s;t can not be
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di&s;tinct of him&s;elf, nor have fle&s;h and bone di&s;tinct both in body and &s;pirit.</P>
<P>This is the Quakers imaginary Chri&s;t, which is the ab&s;olute &s;pi|rit of Anti-chri&s;t, and this &s;pirit of Anti-chri&s;t it doth reign more in the Quakers people, then in any people what&s;oever. Here people may &s;ee what the Quakers Chri&s;t within them is, a meer allegory, a &s;pirit without a body, and their fle&s;h and bone of their bodies they count Chri&s;ts body, and &s;o when their &s;ouls &s;lips out of their bodies, and goes into God, as they imagine, their bodies goes to the Earth, and &s;o Chri&s;ts body goes to the Earth, and his &s;pirit that is in them, goes into Gods va&s;t &s;pirit that taketh all things into its &s;elf; And according to Squire <HI>Pennington's</HI> &s;aying unto <HI>John Reeve,</HI> but it was when he was upon the Ranting Principle, but &s;ince that he is turned Quaker; for the Quakers principle is but the Ranters refined into a more civil kind of life.</P>
<P>For the Ranters were &s;o gro&s;ly rude in their lives, that &s;poyled their high language, and made people weary of them; but the Quakers that were upon the Rant are the be&s;t able to maintain the Quakers principle of Chri&s;t within them, than any other Quakers that were not upon the Rant, as <HI>William Smith,</HI> and Squire <HI>Penning|ton,</HI> and others as I know: &s;o that people may plainly &s;ee that the Quakers are led and guided by the &s;pirit of Antichri&s;t, that will not allow Chri&s;ts body of fle&s;h and bone to be di&s;tinct from his Saints, but would have the Quakers bodies to be Chri&s;ts fle&s;h and bone; This is that &s;pirit of Anti-chri&s;t that denied Chri&s;t come in the fle&s;h, as <HI>John</HI> in his Epi&s;tle &s;aith; for who ever denies Chri&s;t come in the fle&s;h, and that fle&s;h he is come in to be di&s;tinct of it &s;elf from all other fle&s;h, and from all other Creatures both in Heaven and in Earth, I &s;ay is the &s;pirit of Anti-chri&s;t, which I am &s;ure the Qua|kers are, and do more than the Pope, &s;o that the &s;pirit of Anti|chri&s;t reigns in the Quakers people more than in the Pope, and his people; the Pope indeed is more &s;uper&s;titious than the Quakers, but the Quakers are for more Anti-chri&s;tian than the Pope in their doctrine.</P>
<P N="16">16. Page 15. <HI>Muggelton</HI> &s;aith, this body of Chri&s;t is the only God.</P>
<P>This <HI>Fox</HI> calls darkne&s;s, and &s;aith God is a Spirit, and God is in Chri&s;t, who prepared Chri&s;t a body: there cannot be, &s;aith he, Chri&s;t without God; and, &s;aith <HI>Fox,</HI> the Quakers do know Chri&s;t in the fle&s;h, and &s;aith he feels me.</P>
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<HEAD>CHAP. XXI. <HI>ANSWER.</HI></HEAD>
<P>THat is as true a &s;aying of mine, as ever was &s;poken with tongue, that the body of Chri&s;t is the onely God, and they are reprobates who dares denit, yet this devil <HI>Fox</HI> the Quaker calls it <HI>darkne&s;s,</HI> and &s;aith, <HI>God is a Spirit, and God is in Chri&s;t:</HI> what igno|rance of God doth this <HI>Fox</HI> manife&s;t? if God be in Chri&s;t and that body of Chri&s;t was Gods body which was prepared for the &s;pirit of God to be in, then mu&s;t Chri&s;ts body needs be the only God.</P>
<P>For if God was in Chri&s;t, and <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith there cannot be Chri&s;t without God, than that body of Chri&s;t had the Spirit of God in that body; then I &s;ay Chri&s;ts body mu&s;t needs be the onely God, for God and Chri&s;t, &s;aith <HI>Fox,</HI> cannot be one without the other, then I &s;ay where Chri&s;ts body is, there is Gods body.</P>
<P>For if the &s;pirit of Chri&s;t, and the &s;pirit of God be all one &s;pirit, as I think no man dares denie, then I &s;ay, if the &s;pirit of Chri&s;t and the &s;pirit of God be all one &s;pirit, then I &s;ay one body was prepared for this one &s;pirit, even the body of Chri&s;t his own fle&s;h and bone, &s;o that this body of Chri&s;t and the &s;pirit of God is in that body, &s;o that body of Chri&s;t being God and Man, that body may be called, and is the onely God, and who ever prayeth to any other God, he prayeth to a God of his owne imagination, as all your Quakers do; yet <HI>Fox</HI> calls this darkne&s;s to &s;ay Chri&s;ts per&s;on, body, and &s;pirit is the onely God; yet he &s;aith God and Chri&s;t cannot be one with|out the other; but he will not acknowledge Chri&s;ts body of fle&s;h and bone to be &s;o honored, as to be called the body of the onely God: how confu&s;ed is this <HI>Fox</HI> in di&s;tinction concerning God and Chri&s;t, they mu&s;t be both one, and they mu&s;t not be both one; one of them mu&s;t have a body prepared, but the other mu&s;t be a &s;pirit without a body; this is the Quakers confu&s;ed non-&s;ence.</P>
<P>But I know <HI>Fox</HI> his juggle; he means, as I &s;aid before, that the Quakers bodies are Chri&s;ts body, &amp; &s;o Chri&s;ts Spirit and Gods Spi|rit being all one, the &s;pirit of Chri&s;t is in the Quakers bodies, whom he calls <HI>Saints,</HI> and the Saints bodies are called by the Quakers the body of Chri&s;t, that is prepared for the &s;pirit of Chri&s;t and God, which is all one, to be in.</P>
<P><PB N="48" REF="29">And this is the Chri&s;t the Quakers own to have within them, this is the Quakers my&s;tery of iniquity to &s;hufle off the belief of the body of Chri&s;t without them di&s;tinct from them, even at &s;uch a di&s;tance as Heaven and Earth, for his body of fle&s;h and bone is in Heaven above the Stars, but the Quakers bodies are hereon Earth, and mu&s;t rot in the Earth; but Chri&s;ts body doth live for ever and ever: So that the Quakers bodies are neither members of Chri&s;ts body, nor the body it &s;elf, which is prepared for the &s;pirit of Chri&s;t, the &s;pirit of the onely wi&s;e God, to dwell in; for in Chri&s;ts own body of fle&s;h and bone did the fulne&s;s of the God-head dwell body|ly in him, that is, all the fulne&s;s and &s;piritual &s;ub&s;tance, and e&s;|&s;ence, and being of the Godhead &s;pirit dwelt in Chri&s;ts body of fle&s;h and bone when he was upon Earth, and in no mans body el&s;e; and this body who had the fulne&s;s of the Godhead in it, I call the Godhead Spirit, and that body together the only God, and this body and &s;pirit of Chri&s;t is both di&s;tinct from the Quakers bodies, and all mens bodies el&s;e.</P>
<P>So that the Quakers Chri&s;t within them is a meer imaginary Chri&s;t, which the &s;pirit of rea&s;on the devil, the Anti-chri&s;tian &s;pi|rit hath produced in them, and not the true Chri&s;t; So that the Quakers knoweth no other Chri&s;t in the fle&s;h but that Chri&s;t within them, and their bodies is this imaginary Chri&s;ts body; this is the Quakers Chri&s;t &s;pirit and body they &s;o much talk of, this I know to be true, for as I &s;aid before, and in <HI>the neck of the Quakers broken,</HI> that is the Quakers &s;hould own that body of Chri&s;t, fle&s;h and bone without them, at &s;uch a di&s;tance as above the Stars, to be the onely God; then I &s;ay the Quakers principle of Chri&s;t within them would vani&s;h like &s;moak.</P>
<P>And for this cau&s;e have I pa&s;&s;ed the &s;entence of eternal damna|tion upon &s;o many Quakers for denying that fle&s;h and bone of Chri&s;t without them to be the onely God; for the Quakers are the greate&s;t fighters again&s;t a per&s;onal God without them di&s;tinct of him&s;elf, of any that profe&s;&s;e the Scriptures.</P>
<P>Here <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith he feels me: that &s;aying of <HI>Fox,</HI> is true I know you do feel me, and you &s;hall feel me to eternity, and &s;o &s;hall more of you Quakers feel that &s;entence of eternal damnation that I have pa&s;&s;ed upon you; &s;o that your Chri&s;t within you cannot, nor God with|out you will not, deliver you from that &s;entence and cur&s;e I have
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pa&s;&s;ed upon you; it will, and &s;hall be written and ingraven upon, and in your hearts of &s;tone, even as the Law that <HI>Mo&s;es</HI> gave was written in Tables of &s;tone to &s;ignifie the Law written in the &s;eed and nature of rea&s;on in the reprobate Angel before his fall, from whom all men received that &s;eed of rea&s;on, and &s;o the Law written in it.</P>
<P>So that as you feel the motions of that Law written in your hearts, your thoughts accu&s;ing and excu&s;ing, &s;hewing the Law written in your hearts, &s;o &s;hall that &s;entence I have pa&s;&s;ed upon you be printed in your memory, always judging and accu&s;ing of you for your bla&s;phemie again&s;t the Holy Gho&s;t, and de&s;pi&s;ing the me&s;&s;engers of the holy Spirit, and you &s;hall remember you were told &s;o by a true Prophet:</P>
<P>So that you &s;hall feel me indeed to your endle&s;s mi&s;ery; and if you do not find this to be true as I have &s;aid, then let the &s;ame evil I have judged upon you, let it be upon me, or if God will not own what I have &s;aid unto you de&s;pi&s;ing Quakers, or if I judge thus without a commi&s;&s;ion and authority from the true God, let God judge me with the &s;ame judgment I have judged you and o|thers with: this is as much as can be &s;aid by man.</P>
<P N="17">17. Page 19. <HI>Muggleton</HI> &s;aith, the devil &s;o much &s;poken of in Scripture, is nothing but the &s;pirit of rea&s;on in man that killed the righteous; al&s;o it was the &s;pirit of rea&s;on the devil that kil'd the Ju&s;t.</P>
<P>Here <HI>Fox</HI> blames my judgment, and pleads for Rea&s;on, as if all rea&s;onable men had &s;aith from tho&s;e words of <HI>Paul,</HI> who de&s;ired to be delivred from unrea&s;onable men; <HI>For,</HI> &s;aith <HI>Paul, all men have not faith;</HI> &s;o that <HI>Fox</HI> looks upon the devil to be nothing el&s;e but unrea&s;onablene&s;s.</P>
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<HEAD>CHAP. XXII. <HI>ANSWER.</HI></HEAD>
<P>HEre <HI>Fox</HI> &s;hews his ignorance and darkne&s;s both of the devil, and of the meaning of the Scriptures, and of the Apo&s;tles words; the want of di&s;tinction, and the want of the gift of inter|pretation, is the cau&s;e the Quakers are &s;o ignorant of every true Principle of Faith. For the &s;peakers are the wor&s;t of all men in that, for they never gives meanings of Scripture, nor interprets any.</P>
<P>Look into all the Quakers writings, and they give no meanings,
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nor interpretations of any; for no interpretation can be given but there mu&s;t be a meaning, as there was by <HI>Philip</HI> to the <HI>Eunuch,</HI> but the Quaker names the Scripture words that are for his purpo&s;e, &amp; though there be three places again&s;t that he names to prove to the contrary, the Quaker will give no meanings nor di&s;tinctions, but &s;ay, <HI>it is the fle&s;h that asks que&s;tions:</HI> and this is the cau&s;e the Qua|kers are &s;o unable to di&s;pute, or to an&s;wer que&s;tions, or interpret Scripture, indeed I cannot &s;ee how they &s;hould, their foundation is &s;o &s;andy, one puffe of wind from a true Me&s;&s;enger or Mini&s;ter of Chri&s;t will blow down all the Quakers building; For they have none of the true Corner-&s;tone to build upon, nor that Rock which is Chri&s;t without them, but a &s;andy foundation of a Chri&s;t within them.</P>
<P>Yet becau&s;e I would not have the Reader un&s;atisfied that the &s;pi|rit of Rea&s;on in man is the devil, and that it was the &s;pirit of Rea|&s;on in man that always killed the righteous, and the Spirit of Rea|&s;on that killed the Ju&s;t, I &s;hall prove it by Scripture, and &s;hall ex|plain tho&s;e words of <HI>Paul, who de&s;ired to be delivered from unrea&s;ona|ble men, for all men have not faith.</HI></P>
<P>I know it is a vain thing to interpret Scriptures to Quakers, or to give meanings of Prophets, or Apo&s;tles to Quakers; but for the &s;ake of others that &s;hall read this Epi&s;tle, I &s;hall open this point, and prove by Scripture that the &s;pirit of rea&s;on in man is the devil.</P>
<P>Fir&s;t, it was the &s;pirit of Rea&s;on in <HI>Cain</HI> that killed righteous <HI>Abel,</HI> for <HI>Cain</HI> rea&s;oned in him&s;elf, why &s;hould God accept of <HI>Abel</HI> &amp; his offering, &amp; not of him and his offering: he rea&s;oned in him&s;elf why &s;hould God &s;end fire from Heaven to te&s;tifie his acceptance of <HI>Abels</HI> offering, &amp; &s;end no fire from Heaven to con&s;ume his offering: Al&s;o <HI>Cain</HI> rea&s;oned in him&s;elf, I am the fir&s;t-born, and lo God hath had re&s;pect unto the younger, what rea&s;on is there that God &s;hould re&s;pect the younger and reject the elder? Likewi&s;e <HI>Cain</HI> rea&s;oned in him&s;elf, that he would kill <HI>Abel,</HI> then thought he, God will ac|cept of me, there being none to offer up &s;acrifice unto him, but him&s;elf; &s;o the&s;e rea&s;onings and &s;uch like pa&s;&s;ed through <HI>Cains</HI> &s;oul before he was re&s;olved to kill righteous <HI>Abel;</HI> but this rea&s;oning being too &s;trong for <HI>Cain,</HI> it made him re&s;olve to kill his brother when he had an opportunity, which a while after he had an oppor|tunity, when he met <HI>Abel</HI> in the field, he talked with him and &s;lew him. And this &s;pirit of rea&s;on in <HI>Cain</HI> was the fir&s;t devil in
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man that killed righteous <HI>Abel,</HI> and this was the &s;pirit of rea&s;on in <HI>Cain,</HI> and not any unrea&s;onablene&s;s in him.</P>
<P>For he thought he had rea&s;on to kill <HI>Abel,</HI> &s;eeing God had dealt &s;o by him to accept the younger, and reject the elder. Al&s;o the like ca&s;e was with <HI>Jacob,</HI> and <HI>E&s;au,</HI> becau&s;e <HI>Jacob</HI> had got the ble&s;&s;ing from <HI>E&s;au,</HI> he rea&s;oned in him&s;elf to kill his brother <HI>Jacob;</HI> &s;o he rea&s;oned in him&s;elf how he might do this murder, and not in|cur his Father <HI>I&s;aac's</HI> di&s;plea&s;ure, &s;o he rea&s;oned in him&s;elf how he might have opportunity to do it, and not to be di&s;covered that he did it, and this rea&s;oning in <HI>E&s;au</HI> took place in his &s;oul, and gave a re&s;olution to put it into execution to kill <HI>Jacob,</HI> becau&s;e he was ble&s;t, and <HI>E&s;au</HI> was not ble&s;t with that ble&s;&s;ed promi&s;e that the righ|teous Seed &s;hould come of him, as his brother <HI>Jacob</HI> was.</P>
<P>For this is to be minded by the Reader, that the per&s;on that is accepted of God, of that per&s;on the righteous Seed mu&s;t, and doth come of; &amp; look what per&s;on is rejected of God, of that per&s;on mu&s;t, and doth come the reprobate and cur&s;ed Seed, as it was in <HI>Cain</HI> and <HI>E&s;au</HI> al&s;o; <HI>E&s;au</HI> would have put his rea&s;oning of his mind in practi&s;e, had not <HI>Rebecca</HI> his Mother by her revelation of Faith &s;ent <HI>Jacob</HI> away out of <HI>E&s;aus</HI> reach; but <HI>E&s;aus</HI> re&s;olution remained in his minde &s;till, and waited for an opportunity: now was not this rea&s;on in <HI>E&s;au</HI> the devil? for if <HI>E&s;au</HI> had had no rea&s;on to kill <HI>Jacob,</HI> he would never have re&s;olved to do &s;uch wickedne&s;s, but <HI>E&s;au</HI> thought he had good rea&s;on to kill <HI>Jacob,</HI> who had &s;toln away the ble&s;&s;ing from him, who&s;e birthright he thought in rea&s;on it was, &s;o he thought it was but rea&s;on to kill his brother who had done him that injury or wrong: was not this the &s;pirit of rea&s;on the devil in <HI>E&s;au,</HI> that would have killed his brother <HI>Jacob</HI> of whom the righteous Seed came of?</P>
<P>Again, were not tho&s;e rea&s;onable men that talked with Chri&s;t, to whom Chri&s;t &s;aid, <HI>Why rea&s;on you in your &s;elves, &s;aying, you have A|braham for your Father,</HI> &s;aith Chri&s;t, <HI>God is able of the&s;e &s;tones to rai&s;e up children unto Abraham,</HI> &s;o tho&s;e Phari&s;ees and Saducees that came to the bapti&s;m of <HI>John, Mat.</HI> 4. were they not wi&s;e rational men, and indued with a high mea&s;ure of rea&s;on? did not they ask a rea&s;onable que&s;tion whether <HI>John</HI> was the Chri&s;t or no? yet <HI>John</HI> calls them <HI>a generation of vipers:</HI> and Chri&s;t calls tho&s;e wi&s;e rational men he talked with, Serpents, Devils, yea, and that the devil was their Father; yet the&s;e were wi&s;e, prudent men, indued with a
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great mea&s;ure of rea&s;on: they were no di&s;tracted men, nor po&s;&s;e&s;t with any witchcraft-fits, as you Quakers are, but were &s;ober, &s;en|&s;ible men, and would ask a rea&s;onable que&s;tion, and required a rea&s;onable an&s;wer, yet this &s;pirit of rea&s;on in the&s;e wi&s;e and pru|dent men, it was but the devil rea&s;on in them.</P>
<P>For <HI>John</HI> calls them <HI>a generation of vipers,</HI> and Chri&s;t calls them <HI>Serpents, Devils,</HI> and that they were the devils children, yet the&s;e were wi&s;e men, endued with rea&s;on, and it was that wi&s;dom of rea|&s;on in them, that would have intrapt Chri&s;t in his words that they might have had &s;ome rea&s;on to have put him to death; for Rea&s;on propounds que&s;tions to catch him in his words, that they might have had &s;ome rea&s;on to put him to death, therefore Rea&s;on layd many &s;nares to catch him.</P>
<P><HI>So they rea&s;oned among&s;t them&s;elves, if we let this man alone, the Ro|mans will take away our place and nation,</HI> &s;o when they had accom|pli&s;hed their de&s;ires by their rea&s;on, and brought him before the High-prie&s;t and Councel of the Jews, the Councel &s;ome of them rea&s;oned that it was fit Chri&s;t &s;hould die for bla&s;phemy, in that he made him&s;elf the Son of God; others rea&s;oned again that he ought not to die by their Law, not being ju&s;tly accu&s;ed.</P>
<P>So when he came into <HI>Pilates</HI> cu&s;tody, what rea&s;oning had <HI>Pilate</HI> in his &s;pirit? his rea&s;on told him it was better to whip Chri&s;t, than to kill him; and <HI>Pilates</HI> wifes dream put him exceedingly to rea&s;on how he might deliver Chri&s;t, but the rea&s;on of the High-prie&s;ts and Elders and tho&s;e that were below them, their rea&s;on was too &s;trong for <HI>Pilate,</HI> and <HI>Pilate</HI> thought it more rea&s;on to obey <HI>Ce&s;ar</HI> then his wifes dream, or the rea&s;oning of his own heart.</P>
<P>So that his rea&s;on was, he thought better to keep the favour of <HI>Ce&s;ar,</HI> and the honor of this world than the peace of his con&s;cience and favour with God; &s;o his rea&s;on and their rea&s;on together deli|vered up the Ju&s;t One to be crucified by rea&s;onable men, for the Centurion and tho&s;e that guarded him were rea&s;onable men al&s;o, and thought it but rea&s;on to obey their Rulers command in this, as well as other things: &s;o that it may be cleer to tho&s;e that are truely inlightned, that the &s;pirit of rea&s;on in man is the devil, and that the &s;pirit of rea&s;on did kill the righteous in the beginning, and the &s;pi|rit of rea&s;on did kill the Ju&s;t per&s;on, even Chri&s;t Je&s;us.</P>
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<HEAD>CHAP. XXIII.</HEAD>
<P>AGain, it may be cleer that the &s;pirit of rea&s;on in man is the devil, as may plainly appear by tho&s;e Chief-prie&s;ts and Elders of the Jews, as in <HI>Mat.</HI> 21 23. the&s;e Chief-prie&s;ts and Elders would know of Chri&s;t by what authority he did tho&s;e things? but Chri&s;ts an&s;wer was, <HI>Is the Bapti&s;me of John from Heaven, or of men?</HI> and the&s;e Chief-prie&s;ts and Elders of the Jews rea&s;oned in them&s;elves, if they &s;hould &s;ay from Heaven; then their rea&s;on told them they fought again&s;t God; and if they &s;hould &s;ay, <HI>John Bapti&s;t</HI> had his commi&s;&s;ion from men to bapti&s;e with water, then their rea&s;on told them that the people would &s;tone them:</P>
<P>So they rea&s;oned in them&s;elves it was better to &s;ay, they could not tell, which was a lye again&s;t the light of their own con&s;cience. Here the Reader may &s;ee that the &s;pirit of rea&s;on in man is the de|vil; for the&s;e Chief-prie&s;ts and Elders were wi&s;e, prudent men, endued with a great mea&s;ure of rea&s;on, el&s;e they would not have bin cho&s;en Governors and Expounders of the Law and Prophets to the people of the Jews; yet the&s;e rea&s;onable men were devils, even tho&s;e who Chri&s;t called <HI>Serpents, Devils;</HI> and <HI>John Bapti&s;t</HI> called <HI>a generation of vipers.</HI></P>
<P>So that it may be cleer to tho&s;e that are inlightned, that the rea&s;on in man is the devil, and not onely a devil, but a damned de|vil; for it was the &s;pirit of rea&s;on in man that always bla&s;phemed and fought again&s;t God, and per&s;ecuted and killed the Ju&s;t and the righteous, becau&s;e God would not accept of the devil rea&s;ons wor&s;hip, as he did of the Ju&s;t and innocent wor&s;hip of the &s;pirit of Faith: and as for that &s;aying of <HI>Paul, who de&s;ired to be delivered from unrea&s;onable men, for all men have not faith,</HI> I am of <HI>Pauls</HI> mind in that, for I have had experience in a mea&s;ure of the bad dealings of unrea&s;onable men as <HI>Paul</HI> had: but I &s;hall &s;hew the cau&s;e and why <HI>Paul</HI> calls them <HI>unrea&s;onable men,</HI> it was becau&s;e the rude multitude, or &s;ome envious men upon the report of other envious people, would beat and abu&s;e <HI>Paul</HI> without any authority from the Rulers, or without the command of &s;ome officer, as is cleer in the <HI>Acts</HI> con|cerning <HI>Demetrius</HI> and the Godde&s;s <HI>Diana:</HI> how were &s;ome of <HI>Pauls</HI>
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friends beaten by unrea&s;onable men, and <HI>Paul</HI> him&s;elf would have bin &s;erved &s;o and wor&s;e, had he not bin re&s;cued by the Town-Clark's &s;peech; which &s;peech of his &s;hewed that the people did that which was not lawful by their Law, therefore unrea&s;onable, and were in danger to be called to account by the Judges of their Law, as Deputies and &s;uch, and to be puni&s;hed as offenders of the Law for their unrea&s;onable practice, to beat and kill men uncondemned by the Law, as you may &s;ee <HI>Acts the</HI> 19.18. <HI>and &s;o in Acts</HI> 23.</P>
<P>How <HI>Paul</HI> had like to have bin killed by unrea&s;onable men, forty of them had bound them&s;elves in an oath, neither to eat nor drink till they had killed <HI>Paul;</HI> yet by the power of the Centurion who had a commi&s;&s;ion from the Magi&s;trates to keep the peace, would not &s;uffer the&s;e men to do &s;uch unrea&s;onable deeds to kill a man, and not condemned by the Law of rea&s;on; for all Laws are made by the rea&s;on of man to govern people by.</P>
<P>So in other places in the <HI>Acts</HI> you may read how <HI>Paul</HI> was abu&s;ed by unrea&s;onable men, &s;o that <HI>Paul</HI> had cau&s;e, and all Saints el&s;e, to de&s;ire to be delivered from unrea&s;onable men; for all men have not &s;aith; <HI>Paul</HI> knowing that tho&s;e men that have faith dares not per&s;ecute men for con&s;ciences, though he hath rea&s;on &s;o to do, much le&s;s to per&s;ecute men for con&s;cience again&s;t Law and rea&s;on, as the rude multitude doth, and envious men doth, having not Law of their &s;ide, but are puni&s;hed as evil doers by the law of rea&s;on for doing things contrary to the Law, therefore called <HI>unrea&s;ona|ble men.</HI></P>
<P>And in this &s;ence <HI>Paul</HI> de&s;ired to be delivered from unrea&s;onable men, for he knew men that had faith in their hearts would not per|&s;ecute nor abu&s;e him, nor kill him, though he &s;hould give them cau&s;e. This I my &s;elf knoweth by experience to be true, for I have fallen &s;ometimes into the hands of unrea&s;onable men, for I have bin pull'd out of the hou&s;e by head and &s;houlders, and beaten with their fi&s;ts, and knocked down in the garden, and when they were affraid to do me more mi&s;chief in another bodies hou&s;e, they con&s;ulted to lay in wait in all the Alleys to catch me as I came out, that they might do me &s;ome further mi&s;chief, and no body know who did it: they thought to break my bones, if not kill me, but they were &s;omewhat prevented, for we pa&s;&s;ed through a mans garden a pri|vate way, &s;o that the layers in wait could not catch us untill we
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came in the fields, but when they heard we were pa&s;t the corners of the Alleys which were four, they run, and the boys run to &s;ee the men run, that the du&s;t and gravel did flye about with the &s;ound of their feet, to overtake us; &s;o two of the men of the mo&s;t de&s;pe|rate&s;t of them overtook us in the fields, and they both &s;mote upon my head and neck with their fi&s;ts a while, and then run to <HI>John Reeve,</HI> and &s;truck up his feet, and he fell upon the gravel which made his hands bleed, &s;o he lay upon the ground, and people came thick about us to know what was the matter; but the woman came in who&s;e hou&s;e I was pulled out of, and &s;he knew the&s;e two men that pur&s;ued us in the fields, &s;o they left off, and &s;lank away, le&s;t &s;he &s;hould have had the Law of them for abu&s;ing us in her hou&s;e: There was about a hundred of them in her hou&s;e and gar|den when they pulled me out, the&s;e were unrea&s;onable men, &s;uch as <HI>Paul</HI> met withall which he de&s;ired to be delivered from. Several times hath <HI>John Reeve</HI> and my &s;elf been in danger to be abu&s;ed and &s;poiled by unrea&s;onable men, and it was upon the &s;ame account, as <HI>Paul</HI> was.</P>
<P>For he was &s;erved &s;o for declaring Je&s;us Chri&s;t to be the Son of God, and that he was a me&s;&s;enger to declare it; and we for declaring Chri&s;t Je&s;us to be the onely God, and our &s;elves to be commi&s;&s;io|nated from him, to ble&s;s the Seed of Faith, and cur&s;e de&s;pi&s;iing &s;pirits to eternity.</P>
<P>So that I am not unacquainted, nor ignorant of <HI>Pauls</HI> words; For it hath been always my de&s;ire ever &s;ince to be delivered from the rude multitude, who doth not go by the Law of rea&s;on, but doth act as bruit-bea&s;ts, who have no rea&s;on in them, therefore called unrea&s;onable men. This is a true di&s;tinction and interpretation what the devil is, even the &s;pirit of rea&s;on in man, and how rea&s;on always killed the ju&s;t and righteous Seed of Faith, and what the Apo&s;tle meant when he de&s;ired to be delivered from unrea&s;onable men, and who may be &s;aid to be unrea&s;onable men. Much more might be &s;aid in this point, but I &s;uppo&s;e there is enough written to &s;atisfie and inform any man that hath true light of faith in him, or hath but moderate rea&s;on.</P>
<P>Onely this may be minded by the Reader, that the Scriptures never called di&s;tracted men, nor mad-men, nor fools; nor di&s;tem|pered brained men are never called <HI>Devils,</HI> though the&s;e men are
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po&s;&s;e&s;t with Devils; that is, with di&s;tempers of nature, the&s;e are Devils that are produced through accidents of nature, through &s;ome extraordinary grief, fright, or lo&s;&s;es, and &s;uch like, hath broke the brain, and &s;o the &s;eat of rea&s;on is quite out of order, and makes them more &s;trong then when their rea&s;on was in order, and &s;o come to be po&s;&s;e&s;t with devils; the&s;e devils are produced by accidents in nature, as I &s;aid before.</P>
<P>So not tho&s;e devils the Scriptures &s;peake of: we never read that any Prophet, Apo&s;tle, or Chri&s;t him&s;elf did ever condemn or judge &s;uch per&s;ons, but rather pittied them, and healed them, and ca&s;t tho&s;e devils out, as may be read in Scripture, nay the civil Magi&s;trate doth not regard what a mad-man &s;aith, who&s;e rea&s;on is out of or|der; therefore it may be clear that the mo&s;t wi&s;e, prudent men, who have the greate&s;t mea&s;ure of rea&s;on in them, are tho&s;e Devils the Scriptures calls devils, therefore more fit to be politicians both in Church and State, neither could unwi&s;e man in rea&s;on go|vern this world as it is at this day.</P>
<P>So that it may be clear to tho&s;e that are inlightned, that the &s;pirit of rea&s;on in man is the devil that killed the righteous and the Ju&s;t, for <HI>Cain</HI> was a high pitch of rea&s;on when he killed righteous <HI>Abel,</HI> for <HI>Cain</HI> had the fulne&s;s of the reprobat Angels &s;pi|rit of rea&s;on, it dwelt in <HI>Cain</HI> bodily, and <HI>E&s;au</HI> had much rea&s;on, and <HI>Judas,</HI> and that devil that tempted Chri&s;t was a man, &amp; had a great mea&s;ure of the wi&s;dom of rea&s;on in him; and tho&s;e Chief-prie&s;ts and Elders that Chri&s;t called <HI>Serpents, Devils,</HI> that tempted him, were indued with a great mea&s;ure of rea&s;on; they were wi&s;e, &s;en&s;ible, &s;ober, learned men, yet devils, and the &s;pirit of rea&s;on in them was the devil that tempted Chri&s;t, &amp; per&s;ecuted him, and kil|led him that was the ju&s;t One, even the Savior of the world, of the elect Seed, &s;o that the &s;pirit of rea&s;on in man is the devil the Scri|ptures condemn, which commits murder for con&s;cience &s;ake, or other ways, and is that devil that is to be damned to eternity, <HI>&amp;c.</HI> &s;o that the Devil &s;o much &s;poken of in Scripture, and condemned by Chri&s;t, it was &s;en&s;ible, wi&s;e, prudent men, indued with a high pitch of rea&s;on, and not unrea&s;onable men, nor mad, frantick, di|&s;tracted men, as people do vainly imagine, as <HI>Fox</HI> and mo&s;t of the Quakers do.</P>
<P N="18">18. <HI>Muggleton</HI> &s;aith, it was the Godhead life that &s;uffered death.</P>
<P><PB N="57" REF="33"><HI>Fox</HI> calls this darkne&s;s al&s;o; <HI>For,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>Chri&s;t he &s;uffered in the fle&s;h; but he did not die as he was God.</HI></P>
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<HEAD>CHAP. XXIV. <HI>ANSWER.</HI></HEAD>
<P>HEre <HI>Fox</HI> hath di&s;covered his Allegorical Cheat, as I have made appear before; <HI>For,</HI> &s;aith he in the fourteenth particu|lar of this Book, <HI>the Quakers owns the Son of God who was crucified, and laid in the grave, and ro&s;e again, and &s;its at the right hand of God,</HI> yet <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith, <HI>the Godhead life did not die.</HI> Here <HI>Fox</HI> hath manife&s;t|ed his great ignorance of life that died; al&s;o he hath cut him&s;elf off from having any part or portion in the death of Chri&s;t, for God and Chri&s;t is all one undividual, or undivided E&s;&s;ence, Per&s;on, and Sub&s;tance, &s;o that when Chri&s;t died, God died; and when Chri&s;ts blood, or &s;oul was poured out unto death, the &s;oul of God was poured out unto death al&s;o, Chri&s;t being God and Man.</P>
<P>For no man can truly &s;ay Chri&s;t was God and Man, except he were God as well as Man; for if there be another God be&s;ides Chri&s;t, or above Chri&s;t, then Chri&s;t is not God as well as man, as people do vainly imagine. Now we read that Chri&s;t poured out his &s;oul unto death, and will any dare to &s;ay that the &s;oul of Chri&s;t was not the &s;oul of God? it is high bla&s;phemy to affirm the con|trary; be&s;ides it cuts a man off from all benefit of the death of Chri&s;t, for no blood but the blood of a God can &s;peak peace to the &s;oul of man, therefore it is <HI>the blood of Chri&s;t &s;peaketh better things than the blood of Abel,</HI> becau&s;e <HI>Abel</HI> was but a faithful man.</P>
<P>But Chri&s;t was God as well as man, yet this Godhead life did die, and quickened again by its own power, which <HI>Abels</HI> life could not do, being but a man. But what &s;hould I talk to Quakers of the&s;e things, for they do not believe that any &s;ouls die, no not their own, they all &s;lip away, and leave the body to &s;uffer; &s;o <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith Chri&s;t &s;uffered in the fle&s;h, but his &s;oul did not die, but &s;lipt out of his body; for he doth not own that Chri&s;ts &s;oul died, neither as he was God, nor as he was man. But this is opened more large con|cerning the Godhead life dying, in <HI>The Interpretation of the whole Book of the Revelation.</HI></P>
<P>But what think you, <HI>Fox,</HI> did <HI>Cain</HI> kill the &s;oul or life of <HI>Abel,</HI> or
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no? or did he onely drive his &s;oul or &s;pirit out of his body? Surely if <HI>Cain</HI> had not killed <HI>Abels</HI> &s;oul, his blood would never haye cryed for vengeance in Gods ears, and in his own con&s;cience as it did, if his life had not been killed.</P>
<P>What do you think, <HI>Fox,</HI> that <HI>Judas</HI> did by his &s;oul when he hang'd him&s;elf? did he onely hang the body that his &s;oul might &s;lip away, and leave his body to &s;uffer? What, do you think the &s;ufferings that all Quakers of late, and others have undergone in impri&s;on|ment and bani&s;hment, &s;ome have died by rea&s;on of tho&s;e &s;ufferings, but you Quakers do believe it was nothing but their bodies that &s;uffered, their &s;ouls &s;uffered nothing, they &s;lipt out of their bodies, and went &s;ome where, you know not where.</P>
<P>So your per&s;ecutors did you no great hurt, onely turned your &s;ouls out of your bodies before the time, as a Landlord doth a bad Tenant, turns him out of his hou&s;e for not paying his Rent, he ne|ver kills him: So the Quakers &s;ouls are never killed, they are only &s;eparated from the body, &s;o that there is no great harm done by the per&s;ecutors, they do but onely &s;eparate &s;oul and body one from the other, they do not kill life in the Quakers, for life cannot die; the body indeed may &s;uffer, but life cannot die.</P>
<P>This is <HI>Fox</HI> the Quakers faith, and all Quakers el&s;e that I have talked with, and were not the Quakers blinded and hardned, they would be a&s;hamed to own &s;uch a Principle; for all true Believers are a&s;hamed of the Quakers faith in this point, nay, men that are meer moral men that have no light but the dictates of nature, do know by experience, that the &s;pirit and &s;oul of man doth die, for nothing can be capable of pain but life, nor nothing can be capable to die but life, yet the&s;e blinde Quakers cannot believe that life can die, as afore&s;aid.</P>
<P N="19">19. Page 21. <HI>Muggleton</HI> &s;aith, God the King of Heaven is not in this world at all.</P>
<P><HI>Fox</HI> calls this Lies al&s;o; <HI>For,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>thou do&s;t confe&s;s that Chri&s;t is God; and</HI> John &s;aith, <HI>he was in the world, but the world knew him not.</HI> Al&s;o <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith, <HI>the true Prophet &s;aith he fills heaven and earth: but,</HI> &s;aith <HI>Fox, the fal&s;e prophet &s;aith God the King of Heaven is not in this world at all.</HI></P>
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<HEAD>CHAP. XXV. <HI>ANSWER.</HI></HEAD>
<P>THat &s;aying of mine is truth, That God the King of Heaven is not in this world at all, not in his Per&s;on and E&s;&s;ence, or Sub|&s;tance, as is clearly opened in <HI>The Neck of the Quakers broken,</HI> which who&s;oever doth read that Book may &s;ee every one of tho&s;e &s;ayings of mine more clearly opened than in this Treati&s;e; yet <HI>George Fox</HI> calls them all lies, and darkne&s;s, and &s;uch like, though what I have written in that Book is as true as any Writings of the Prophets or Apo&s;tles, and are of as great Authority, and will prove as true in the end as theirs.</P>
<P>But to give the Reader a little light to &s;ee the gro&s;s darkne&s;s of this <HI>Fox</HI> and his &s;ubtilty: <HI>Fox</HI> brings the words of <HI>John,</HI> and &s;aith, <HI>Chri&s;t was in the world, but the world knew him not.</HI> Minde! Did I ever deny in all my Writings that Chri&s;t never was in the world? I always in all my Writings ju&s;tified more than any man living, that Chri&s;t the onely God was in this world in the &s;tate of mortality, which the Apo&s;tles did witne&s;s unto; therefore it is that <HI>John</HI> &s;aith, <HI>Chri&s;t was in the world, but the world knew him not,</HI> which doth im|ply that Chri&s;t was not in the world in his per&s;on at that time when <HI>John</HI> writ tho&s;e words; if he had, <HI>John</HI> would have &s;aid, Chri&s;t is now in the world, but the world knows him not.</P>
<P>So that it is clear to tho&s;e that know the Scriptures, that Chri&s;t the onely God was not in this world at all in the Apo&s;tles time: he was in the world before he &s;uffered death, and the world knew him not; but after he was a&s;cended he hath not been in this world never &s;ince, and this <HI>John</HI> and the re&s;t of the Apo&s;tles knew very well, and they preached this Chri&s;t that was in the world, but the world knew him not, therefore they per&s;ecuted him, and &s;lew him, and would &s;lay him again if he were in this world now, &s;o <HI>John</HI> knew well enough, therefore he te&s;tified that Chri&s;t was in the world in his own per&s;on, but the wicked world put him to death, becau&s;e they knew him not; but he is not in the world now, for he is a&s;cended: for <HI>John</HI> knew if Chri&s;t had been in the world in his per&s;on at that time, they would have done unto him as they did before; and becau&s;e Chri&s;t was not in the world in his per&s;on in
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the Apo&s;tles time, therefore the world per&s;ecuted them, and put them to death for witne&s;&s;ing that Chri&s;t was in the world, and they with wicked hands had &s;lain the Lord of Life, even Chri&s;t Je&s;us, the onely God, the King of Heaven.</P>
<P>So that <HI>John</HI> and I am both of one minde, and of one faith, that though Chri&s;t the only God and King of Heaven, was in this world before he &s;uffered death, this <HI>John</HI> the Apo&s;tle and I both do be|lieve and know, but &s;ince Chri&s;t ro&s;e from the dead and a&s;cended up to heaven, <HI>John</HI> and I do believe and know, that Chri&s;t the only God and King of heaven is not in this world at all in his per&s;on and e&s;&s;ence, yet <HI>Fox</HI> calls this Lies: But the Reader may &s;ee if he hath any light, who it is that lies, <HI>Fox</HI> or I.</P>
<P>Al&s;o he &s;aith, <HI>The true Prophet &s;aith, God the King of Heaven fills heaven and earth; but,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>the fal&s;e prophet &s;aith, God the King of Heaven is not in this world at all.</HI></P>
<P>It is a &s;mall thing to be called a fal&s;e prophet by the Seed of the Serpent, e&s;pecially by a damned devil; for I know <HI>Fox</HI> would have &s;aid &s;o by tho&s;e prophets he calls true, had he lived in that time, and this <HI>John</HI> and Chri&s;t he &s;o much talks of, would have been count|ed all fal&s;e: a fal&s;e Chri&s;t, a fal&s;e Witne&s;s, what will any Quaker believe that to be a Chri&s;t, a Savior that comes in likene&s;s of man, nay, is a man, &s;in excepted? No, no, we will have a Chri&s;t that is a Spirit, that may creep into our &s;pirits when he will, and whip out again when we commit &s;in, and di&s;plea&s;e his Spirit, &s;uch a Chri&s;t we own that hath never a body of his own, but is all Spirit, that fills every Quakers body with his Spirit, and heaven and earth al&s;o. What, will you per&s;wade us to believe that Chri&s;t is a man, Chri&s;t is God, and admits of no form, &s;o thou <HI>John</HI> art a fal&s;e witne&s;s, to per&s;wade us to believe in a man to be Chri&s;t, or God the Savior of the world; this I know would <HI>Fox</HI> and the re&s;t of the Quakers have &s;aid by tho&s;e he calls now true prophets they being dead, and by Chri&s;t and the Apo&s;tles, as he doth by me.</P>
<P>For when they were alive on earth as I am now, they were coun|ted by the &s;eed of the Serpent, &s;uch as <HI>Fox</HI> is, Bla&s;phemers, De|ceivers, Liers, and &s;uch like, but now who &s;o zealous for the dead letter of the Prophets, and Apo&s;tles, as the &s;eed of the Serpent are, but when they were alive, they were hated and per&s;ecuted for &s;peaking that which the &s;eed of the Serpent doth now honor; &s;o
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is it with me now I am alive, I am hated and per&s;ecuted by the &s;eed of the Serpent, as well by Quakers as others, for my doctrine and commi&s;&s;ion now while I am alive; but when I am dead many of the &s;eed of the Serpent in the next generation &s;hall have re&s;pect unto my Writings, and &s;hall &s;ay, had we lived in tho&s;e days that <HI>Fox</HI> and other Quakers lived in, we would never have bla&s;phemed and &s;poken evil of &s;o pure a truth as <HI>Fox</HI> the Quaker hath done, to in|cur eternal damnation upon our own heads, as <HI>Fox</HI> the Quaker their father hath done: the&s;e things will come to pa&s;s, as it hath done in the other two Commi&s;&s;ions, namely the Law &amp; the Go&s;pel.</P>
<P>Page 22. <HI>Muggleton</HI> &s;aith, the Quakers hearken to the light with|in, but they de&s;pi&s;e the body and per&s;on of Chri&s;t without them, and &s;o they are Antichri&s;t.</P>
<P N="20">20. To this <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith, <HI>Here are more Lies of the fal&s;e prophet; for,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>Chri&s;t that died at</HI> Jeru&s;alem <HI>his per&s;on we own without us, who is manife&s;t within us, the light of Chri&s;t Je&s;us, by which we have &s;een of his glory, and &s;peak in his per&s;on.</HI> And <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith, <HI>Solomons Books in the Bible are good Scripture, though</HI> Muggleton <HI>&s;aith they be not Scripture, he being not in the &s;pirit of</HI> Solomon <HI>that gave them forth.</HI></P>
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<HEAD>CHAP. XXVI. <HI>ANSWER.</HI></HEAD>
<P>HEre <HI>Fox</HI> hath &s;hewed his Allegorical Juggle, who dares not deny the per&s;on of Chri&s;t without them, not in plain terms, becau&s;e the Scriptures are &s;o full to prove Chri&s;t a per&s;on, and it is the Faith of all Chri&s;tendom, as we call it; but any man that hath any true light in him, may &s;ee that <HI>Fox</HI> is a meer Juggler to deceive the &s;imple and ignorant, who&s;e doctrine makes the people more dark in their mindes, than they were by nature.</P>
<P><HI>For,</HI> &s;aith <HI>Fox, we Quakers own the per&s;on of Chri&s;t without us, who is manife&s;t within us.</HI> There is &s;uch a great &s;tir with Gods Me&s;&s;en|gers to part Chri&s;ts per&s;on or body from the Quakers, and their bodies from him, that Chri&s;ts body might &s;tand &s;ingle of it &s;elf, and the Quakers bodies might &s;tand &s;ingle of them&s;elves, at a di|&s;tance from Chri&s;ts body; but the Quakers will either get into Chri&s;ts body, or el&s;e Chri&s;t mu&s;t get into the Quakers bodies, &s;o that no man can tell how to part them one from another, but I know death will part them: And Chri&s;t will &s;ay to <HI>Fox</HI> and other
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Quakers, Depart from me you workers of iniquity, you pretended that you were my Saints, and that I was in you, and you in me, but I know you not; neither did I &s;end you to preach, for I never was in you by my Spirit to a&s;&s;i&s;t you in your preaching; you &s;hould have let preaching and praying in my name alone, for you have done more hurt than good, in that your doctrine hath blinded the eyes of many people, and have led them as &s;heep to the &s;laughter, and hath cau&s;ed many to &s;uffer extreamly in this life, even to the lo&s;s of their natural life, be&s;ides the puni&s;hment hereafter.</P>
<P>For you &s;hould have hearkened to my cho&s;en Witne&s;&s;es and Pro|phets, who can declare the true Chri&s;t God and man in one &s;ingle per&s;on, in the form of a man, with the right devil, his form and na|ture; but your non-knowledge of the right devil is the cau&s;e of your gro&s;s darkne&s;s in the knowledge of the true Chri&s;t.</P>
<P>What are you Quakers the better for your Chri&s;t within you? he yields you no true peace: and what are you the better for being in Chri&s;t? for the true Chri&s;t denies you, and will not be in you by his Spirit, neither will he &s;uffer you to be in him, becau&s;e you and a great part of you Quakers are of the reprobate Seed, which have no part nor portion in the true Chri&s;t; for you are, and the Qua|kers people, but the devil transformed into the likene&s;s of an An|gel of light, becau&s;e you are &s;omething more preci&s;e in your life as to outward appearance, but your preci&s;ene&s;s is very much broken and withered of late years; your darkne&s;s and ignorance is di&s;co|vered by the light of this Commi&s;&s;ion of the Spirit; for you are not like the people you were formerly, neither doth your Witchcraft-fits catch any now as it did heretofore. Your Witchcraft-fits can hardly be produced now of late not in any, I marvel how you Qua|kers can have Chri&s;ts per&s;on manife&s;t in you, and how you can &s;peak in his per&s;on!</P>
<P>Let the Reader mind the Quakers Cheat, they own Chri&s;ts per|&s;on without them, yet this per&s;on of Chri&s;t without them is mani|fe&s;t within them. See the deceit of this <HI>Fox!</HI> I have read of Chri&s;t manife&s;t in his Saints and Apo&s;tles, by his Spirit or Seed of Faith, but I never read that Chri&s;ts per&s;on, fle&s;h and bone was ever mani|fe&s;t within any man, that was alwayes without man, and will be without man for ever, di&s;tinct of him&s;elf.</P>
<P>Al&s;o <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith, <HI>the Quakers &s;peak in Chri&s;ts per&s;on.</HI> Here is another
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Allegorical &s;peech without any di&s;tinction: I have heard that an Amba&s;&s;ador hath repre&s;ented the per&s;on of a King, and his &s;peech by vertue of a Commi&s;&s;ion from the King is in the Kings &s;tead, but the Amba&s;&s;ador is not in the Kings per&s;on, though he repre&s;ents the Kings per&s;on, the Kings per&s;on is at a great di&s;tance from his Me&s;&s;enger.</P>
<P>So it is with Chri&s;ts Amba&s;&s;adors, as <HI>Paul</HI> &s;aith, <HI>We are Amba&s;|&s;adors in Chri&s;ts &s;tead, be&s;eeching you to be reconciled unto Chri&s;t by our doctrine.</HI> Now <HI>Pauls</HI> per&s;on, and Chri&s;ts per&s;on were at a great di|&s;tance one from the other; for Chri&s;ts per&s;on was in heaven above the &s;tars, and <HI>Pauls</HI> per&s;on was here upon earth, &s;o that <HI>Paul</HI> did not &s;peak in the per&s;on of Chri&s;t, that being at &s;uch a di&s;tance, as I &s;aid before; but <HI>Paul</HI> and the re&s;t of the Apo&s;tles by vertue of their Commi&s;&s;ion given from Chri&s;t, were Amba&s;&s;adors of him, and &s;o &s;tood in Chri&s;ts &s;tead, but Chri&s;ts per&s;on was far enough off from them, as a Kings per&s;on is far off when his Amba&s;&s;ador is in a &s;trange Land, who repre&s;ents the Kings per&s;on, as afore&s;aid.</P>
<P>But the Quakers they will get into Chri&s;ts per&s;on, and &s;peak there, or el&s;e they will get Chri&s;ts per&s;on into them, and &s;o Chri&s;t mu&s;t &s;peak there in their per&s;ons, &s;o as I &s;aid before, the Quakers will not be &s;eparated from Chri&s;t, nor &s;uffer him to &s;eparate him|&s;elf from them, though I know they never were in union together, neither was Chri&s;t ever in them that I have damned, nor never will be, neither were they ever in Chri&s;t, nor never &s;hall be.</P>
<P>Neither doth <HI>Fox</HI> own indeed that per&s;on of Chri&s;t of fle&s;h and bone that died at <HI>Jeru&s;alem,</HI> to be now living in heaven above the &s;tars, but <HI>Fox</HI> and the Quakers Chri&s;t they &s;o much talk of, is a meer Allegory without &s;ub&s;tance, a Chri&s;t that may be blown away with the word of a true Prophets mouth, as I &s;aid in <HI>The Neck of the Quakers broken.</HI></P>
<P>Al&s;o <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith, <HI>Solomons Books are good Scripture,</HI> though I &s;ay they are not, being not in the &s;pirit of <HI>Solomon</HI> that gave them forth.</P>
<P>Here I perceive that <HI>Fox</HI> and the Quakers are got into <HI>Solomons</HI> &s;pirit, ju&s;t as they did get into Chri&s;ts per&s;on. I &s;ee <HI>Fox</HI> can get in|to &s;pirits as he doth into per&s;ons: but I perceive <HI>Fox</HI> is got into <HI>Solomons</HI> &s;pirit, and he blames me becau&s;e I am not in <HI>Solomons</HI> &s;pi|rit: I do &s;eriou&s;ly confe&s;s that I am not in <HI>Solomons</HI> &s;pirit, and I am glad I never was in his &s;pirit; for who ever is in <HI>Solomons</HI>
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&s;pirit, doth not know the true God, nor the right devil, for <HI>Solo|mon</HI> knew neither of them, though he was a wi&s;e man in things of nature, but ignorant of &s;piritual and heavenly wi&s;dom; for <HI>Solo|mons</HI> wi&s;dom hath the Ground-work of much lu&s;t of the fle&s;h and idolatry; for the Ranters practice was grounded upon <HI>Solomons</HI> practice, who knew &s;o many women, &s;o the Ranters thought they might have the &s;ame liberty, &s;eeing wi&s;e <HI>Solomons</HI> Writings were owned for Scripture-record; thus they continued many of them in their practice of lu&s;t, till many of them were weary of it, as <HI>Solo|mon</HI> was when he was old, and then they left off that practice, and turned Quakers, and &s;o fell to be the greate&s;t idolaters of any, as <HI>Solomon</HI> did to his Heatheni&s;h-Wives, drew his heart away from the wor&s;hip of <HI>Mo&s;es,</HI> to wor&s;hip idols.</P>
<P>So is it with tho&s;e Ranters that are turned Quakers, they are be|come ab&s;olute Heathen idolaters, for when they, were <HI>Puritanes,</HI> &s;o called, they were zealous for the letter of the Scriptures, and did practice a good life as near as they could to the letter, but after they fell to the practice of lu&s;t, being encouraged by <HI>Solomons</HI> wri|tings, they left that legal Wor&s;hip and civil practice the Law tied them unto, and followed <HI>Solomons</HI> practice of lu&s;t.</P>
<P>And now they being turned Quakers, are fallen to heathen ido|latry, that is to &s;ay, the Quakers they wor&s;hip an unknown God, a Spirit without a body; they adore a Chri&s;t within them, and ne|ver mindes a body of Chri&s;t without them at a di&s;tance; they be|lieve their own &s;pirits to be immortal, and cannot die; they believe their &s;pirits go to God, or into God again, according to <HI>Solomons</HI> words; they believe Gods Spirit being an infinite Being without a body, and that this infinite bodile&s;s Spirit taketh all things into it &s;elf, and &s;o their &s;pirits being immortal, they go into God when they die; they will not acknowledge that life or &s;oul doth die, but departs out of the body they know not where, notwith&s;tanding the Scriptures are &s;o full to prove the &s;oul that &s;ins &s;hall die, and experience &s;hews it doth die.</P>
<P>So that the Quakers are become the greate&s;t &s;piritual idolaters of any, and the greate&s;t fighters again&s;t a per&s;onal God of any; for as <HI>Solomon</HI> did fall to wor&s;hip the heathen womens vi&s;ible Images, or Idols, &s;o do the Quakers wor&s;hip invi&s;ible Idols, as a Spirit with|out a body, and that their own &s;pirits may &s;ub&s;i&s;t without bodies,
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and that &s;pirits may be capable of happine&s;s or mi&s;ery without bo|dies, this is the Heathen Philo&s;ophers opinion, they brought into the world that Principle of the Immortality of the Soul, and that Spirits might go to happine&s;s or mi&s;ery without bodies.</P>
<P>And the Quakers hath got the Heathen Principle to a hair, there|fore become Heathen Idolaters, as <HI>Solomon</HI> was; for the Scriptures declares another thing. Where doth the Scriptures &s;ay that God is an Infinite Spirit without a body? The Scripture &s;aith, God is in|finite, and &s;o he is. Al&s;o the Scripture &s;aith, <HI>God is a Spirit, and will be wor&s;hipped in &s;pirit and truth:</HI> but it is not &s;aid, God is a Spi|rit without a body: for this I &s;ay that if a man may wor&s;hip God in &s;pirit and truth in this natural body, as the di&s;ciples of Chri&s;t did in their natural bodies, and as I my &s;elf do in my natural body, then of nece&s;&s;ity it will follow that God hath a &s;piritual body, whereby I may wor&s;hip him, el&s;e I &s;hall wor&s;hip I know not what, as you Quakers do.</P>
<P>And becau&s;e Gods body is a &s;piritual body, therefore Chri&s;t &s;aid when on earth, <HI>God is a Spirit, and will be wor&s;hipped in &s;pirit and truth;</HI> he knowing that body of his that was then a pure natural body, &s;hould by his death and ri&s;ing again, be made a &s;piritual bo|dy, and then all true Believers &s;hould wor&s;hip him in &s;pirit and truth here in this natural body; and &s;o true Believers have wor|&s;hipped Chri&s;t the onely God in &s;pirit and truth in the Apo&s;tles Commi&s;&s;ion, and &s;o do we now wor&s;hip God in &s;pirit and truth; for there can be no wor&s;hipping God in &s;pirit and truth without a true Preacher &s;ent of God, as the Apo&s;tles, <HI>John Reeve,</HI> and my &s;elf were: and in this &s;en&s;e God may be &s;aid to be a Spirit, becau&s;e he is a &s;piritual body, and not a bodile&s;s &s;pirit, as you Quakers do vainly imagine; el&s;e why may not God be wor&s;hipped in &s;pirit and truth without a body, as well as God to be a Spirit without a body? You Quakers do not do well, in that you do not turn your &s;ouls out of your bodies, they being as you conceive immortal, me thinks you might &s;ometimes let your immortal &s;ouls &s;lip out of your bodies, and go into that Infinite Spirit without a body, and wor&s;hip in &s;pirit and truth, and then come into tho&s;e bodies again; for I &s;ee you have by your own words got into Chri&s;ts per&s;on, and you have got into <HI>Solomons</HI> &s;pirit, and why can you not get your immortal &s;ouls into Gods Infinite Spirit without a body?</P>
<P><PB N="66" REF="38">By this the Reader may &s;ee that the Quakers Principle is built upon the Heathen Philo&s;ophers, and not upon the faith of the Pro|phets and Apo&s;tles who writ the Scriptures, for Heathen men were the fir&s;t broachers of the Immortality of the Soul, and of God being an Infinite Spirit without a body, and &s;o the greate&s;t Idolaters; for tho&s;e that writ the Scriptures never intended any &s;uch thing, but altogether the contrary: but the Quakers do cleave to the Hea|then principles, as God being a Spirit without a body, and the Immortality of the Soul, and &s;o they become with the Heathen the greate&s;t &s;piritual Idolaters of any people under the Sun; for I am quite out of <HI>Solomons</HI> &s;pirit indeed, and am glad I never was in it.</P>
<P N="21">21. Page 27. <HI>Muggleton</HI> thou condemne&s;t our Chri&s;t and light: and <HI>Muggleton</HI> &s;aith, the Quakers think to have eternal life in the Scriptures.</P>
<P><HI>But,</HI> &s;aith <HI>Fox, our eternal life is in Chri&s;t before Scriptures were. And</HI> Fox &s;aith pag. 29. <HI>thou exalte&s;t thy &s;elf above Chri&s;t, for he is a man,</HI> and &s;aith, <HI>the man Chri&s;t Je&s;us will brui&s;e me to pieces, which is manife&s;t in his people,</HI> meaning the Quakers.</P>
</DIV2>
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<HEAD>CHAP. XXVII. <HI>ANSWER.</HI></HEAD>
<P>AS for my words, they are more largely opened in <HI>The Quakers Neck broken;</HI> Al&s;o this &s;aying of <HI>Fox, that the Quakers had e|ternal life in Chri&s;t before Scriptures were,</HI> to this I &s;ay, How comes it to pa&s;s that Chri&s;t hath turned <HI>George Fox</HI> Quaker, and many more of them out of him now the world is? Nay, Chri&s;t hath turned them over to be judged and condemned by me to eternal damna|tion: certainly if <HI>Fox</HI> had eternal life in Chri&s;t before Scriptures were, Chri&s;t would have revealed it unto me now the Scriptures are in the world; for the Scriptures are given into my hands, and I finde by the Scriptures that <HI>George Fox</HI> and many other Quakers were never in Chri&s;t at all, neither before Scriptures were, nor now the Scriptures are in being.</P>
<P>But I finde in the Book of the Scriptures, that <HI>George Fox</HI> and other Quakers were in the Serpent that beguiled <HI>Eve,</HI> and had eter|nal death in their &s;eed before Scripture were, but it was not vi&s;ibly known till now; for this I certainly know that you, <HI>Fox,</HI> and many
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more of you came out of the Serpents loins, which was <HI>Cains</HI> fa|ther, and you being the children of <HI>Cain,</HI> may be &s;aid to be in the Serpent-devil before the Scriptures were: and as &s;ure as <HI>Cain</HI> the father of all the damned &s;hall die an eternal death, &s;o I am certain that you <HI>George Fox,</HI> with many other of your Quakers people &s;hall be eternally damned, deliver your &s;elves from it if you can.</P>
<P N="2">2. <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith page 29. <HI>That thou exalte&s;t thy &s;elf above Chri&s;t, for he is a man: and &s;aith, the man Chri&s;t Je&s;us will brui&s;e me to pieces, which is manife&s;t in his people,</HI> meaning the Quakers.</P>
<P>I cannot get <HI>Fox</HI> the Quaker and the man Chri&s;t Je&s;us to part, for where&s;oever <HI>Fox</HI> doth own Chri&s;t Je&s;us to be a man, then pre|&s;ently this manhood of Chri&s;t gets into the Quakers bodies, and &s;o Chri&s;t is manife&s;t in them. Now I would very fain have Chri&s;ts manhood by it &s;elf, and the Quakers by them&s;elves, but <HI>Fox</HI> will by no means part with Chri&s;t that he might be &s;poken with alone, but Chri&s;t being &s;o much manife&s;t in the <HI>Quakers</HI> bodies, &s;o that no Quaker can finde any Chri&s;t to be a man, but what is manife&s;t in their bodies.</P>
<P>And this Chri&s;t that is manife&s;t in them, I &s;uppo&s;e is he that will brui&s;e me in pieces, but that man Chri&s;t Je&s;us that I believe in, hath given me power to condemn and judge that man Chri&s;t Je&s;us that is manife&s;t in the Quakers people, for I know that Chri&s;t Je&s;us that is manife&s;t in them is nothing el&s;e but the &s;eed of Rea&s;on the devil that is manife&s;t in them; for I know they have no faith in the true Chri&s;t, but the motions of rea&s;on working in their mindes, ta|king occa&s;ion by the Law written in their hearts, it doth clean&s;e them from the outward pollutions of the world, and from the breach of &s;ome outward Laws, and this is that Chri&s;t they &s;o much talk of within them, and this is that man Chri&s;t Je&s;us manife&s;t within them. This is a true de&s;cription of the Quakers Chri&s;t ma|nife&s;t within them.</P>
</DIV2>
<DIV2 N="28" TYPE="chapter">
<HEAD>CHAP. XXVIII.</HEAD>
<P>THe&s;e are the mo&s;t con&s;iderable things for the Reader to take notice of in <HI>George Fox</HI> his Book, &s;o that the Reader may mind the An&s;wer and the Interpretation I have given to tho&s;e Scriptures which <HI>Fox</HI> the Quaker brings again&s;t me; but he leaves the words
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of the Scriptures more dark to the Reader than they were in them|&s;elves, but I have given the Interpretation of tho&s;e Scripture words which <HI>Fox</HI> could not do, and what I have written in this Treati&s;e is for the mo&s;t part left out in <HI>The Neck of the Quakers broken,</HI> becau&s;e in that Book all the&s;e things in which <HI>Fox</HI> doth rail and revile at me in, as he calls it, <HI>An An&s;wer to the Neck of the Quakers broken;</HI> but that Book of mine doth explain the Quakers Principle more plain and clear than this Treati&s;e doth; for he that would have read that Book and <HI>Fox</HI> his An&s;wer to it, would have &s;een all tho&s;e things which <HI>Fox</HI> doth alledge again&s;t me, more fully an&s;wered than he or any other Quaker could have que&s;tioned, &s;o that had it not been for the &s;ake of others, and for the Ages to come, there need not have been any further di&s;coveries of the Antichri&s;tian &s;pirit of the Quakers concerning their Chri&s;t within them, but that Book; As al&s;o there is &s;ome things in this Treati&s;e for the Information of the Reader, which was never printed before.</P>
<P>There is many other &s;ayings in <HI>Fox</HI> his Pamphlet which doth rail and revile, both again&s;t my Commi&s;&s;ion of the Spirit, and that Sentence I have pa&s;&s;ed upon many of the Quakers people: As fir&s;t, <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith, <HI>He believes that my Sentence will return back upon my &s;elf,</HI> as in pag. 6. 2. <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith, <HI>That tho&s;e I have cur&s;ed are clear over my &s;pirit,</HI> as in pag. 12. 3. <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith, <HI>Had the Quakers nevar &s;een letter of Scripture, or any man, yet,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>the Quakers could have &s;poken in the power, and &s;pirit, and in the divine light of Chri&s;t, had he never &s;een letter of Scripture, nor man,</HI> as in pag. 18. 4. <HI>Fox gives glory to his God and Chri&s;t within him, who hath,</HI> as he &s;aith, <HI>&s;et him and other Quakers above that Cur&s;e and Sentence I have pa&s;&s;ed upon them,</HI> as in pag. 20. 5. <HI>Fox</HI> blames me for &s;aying God hath made me Judge of the Quakers &s;piritual e&s;tate, <HI>and yet,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>thou owns thy &s;elf to be but a mortal man.</HI> Oh how <HI>Fox</HI> de&s;pi&s;eth that a mortal man &s;hould be the Quakers Judge of their immortal &s;ouls, as they imagine! <HI>for,</HI> &s;aith <HI>Fox, the &s;piritual man judgeth all things,</HI> as in pag. 21. 6. <HI>Fox</HI> blames me for &s;aying that the &s;pirit of rea&s;on in man is the devil; and <HI>Fox</HI> &s;eems to ju&s;tifie the Magi&s;trates that per&s;ecuted me, be|cau&s;e I &s;ay they were rea&s;onable men. And <HI>Fox</HI> further blames me for fleeing from the devils malice, yet he judgeth that if tho&s;e Ma|gi&s;trates devils had inflicted more corporal puni&s;hment upon me than Impri&s;onment, it had been but rea&s;on the devil &s;till; <HI>for,</HI> &s;aith
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<HI>Fox, thou can&s;t no &s;ay it was unrea&s;onablene&s;s in them, according to thy own &s;aying,</HI> as in Page 23. 7. <HI>Fox calls me a laying &s;pirit,</HI> becau&s;e I &s;ay it doth not belong to Chri&s;t now being in Heaven, to interpret Scripture. <HI>For,</HI> &s;aith <HI>Fox, doth not the Scripture &s;ay all &s;hall be taught of God, and that he opens, and no man &s;huts? and doth not John &s;ay, no man was found worthy to open the Book but the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, and was not Chri&s;t anointed to preach?</HI> as in page 24.</P>
</DIV2>
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<HEAD><HI>CHAP. XXIX.</HI> ANSWER.</HEAD>
<P>FIr&s;t, as for that &s;entence that I have pa&s;&s;ed upon the Quakers people and others, it is irrevocable, and will be as &s;ure upon you as if God had &s;aid it with his own mouth; for as I &s;aid in that book, we are as true Amba&s;&s;adors of Chri&s;t, as <HI>Mo&s;es,</HI> the Prophets, and Apo&s;tles were; and if they were &s;ent of God we are &s;ent of God; and if there were any power in their Sentence and Judge|ment to tho&s;e people in their time, &s;o &s;ure will the Sentence and Judgement of us the Witne&s;&s;es of the Spirit be upon you; and as many of the Quakers people as hath, or &s;hall fall under it: Nei|ther &s;hall that cur&s;e I have pa&s;&s;ed upon you de&s;pi&s;ing Quakers, re|turn upon my &s;elf no more then the cur&s;e of <HI>Mo&s;es</HI> which open'd the ground to &s;wallow up wicked rebellous men alive, for de&s;iring the Prie&s;ts office; So wil it be with you <HI>Fox</HI> the Quaker, in that you have rebell'd again&s;t the Me&s;&s;engers of Chri&s;t, and &s;trove for to be a Mini&s;ter of Chri&s;t, when as he never cho&s;e nor &s;ent you, yet you will proudly contend with tho&s;e that God hath cho&s;en, anointed, and &s;eal'd to declare the highe&s;t my&s;teries that ever was declared by man, yet you look upon your &s;elf to be better able to preach the Go&s;pel then we, you who knoweth not the true God, nor what the devil is, nor that your &s;oul mu&s;t die, nor any one true principle of Faith, yet you are taken by the people to be a man of knowledge, and &s;o you encourage your &s;elf to be a Mini&s;ter of Chri&s;t, and yet knows not what the true Chri&s;t is, nor where he is, and do you think that Hell &s;hall not open its mouth and &s;wallow you up alive? Yea, I &s;ay it will, and you &s;hall not e&s;cape, for I know and &s;ee it will be &s;o, and you &s;hall find my words to be true to your eternal pain and &s;hame, as <HI>Corah, Dathan</HI> and <HI>Abiram</HI> did by <HI>Mo&s;es.</HI></P>
<P N="2"><PB N="70" REF="40">2. <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith, tho&s;e I have cur&s;ed are clear over my &s;pirit.</P>
</DIV2>
<DIV2 N="30" TYPE="chapter">
<HEAD><HI>CHAP. XXX.</HI> ANSWER.</HEAD>
<P>IT is a marvellous thing that damned men &s;hould be over his &s;pirit that hath a commi&s;&s;ion from God, to condemn de&s;pi&s;ers of the Holy Gho&s;t; it is as if a pri&s;oner that is condemned by the Judge for his breach of the Law, &s;hould have that cur&s;e he pronoun|ced upon the man over his own head: By <HI>Fox</HI> his conceit the man is in a better ca&s;e then the Judge, for the man may as truely &s;ay that the &s;entence and cur&s;e the Judge hath pa&s;&s;ed upon him is clear over the Judges &s;pirit; as if the condemned man were in a better condition then the Judge, yet the one goeth to be hanged, ac|cording to the Judges &s;entence, and the Judge goeth to his Palace; So is it with you <HI>George Fox,</HI> and many other of you Quakers, you mu&s;t go to the damnation of eternal death, according to my &s;en|tence, and I &s;hall enter into everla&s;ting life that condemned you, &s;o that you &s;hall never clear your &s;elves from that cur&s;e I have pa&s;&s;ed upon you, but it &s;hall be over your &s;pirits and upon your &s;pirits to eternity.</P>
<P N="3">3. <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith, <HI>had the Quakers never &s;een letter of Scriptures, or any man, yet,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>the Quakers could have &s;poken in the power, and &s;pi|rit, and in the Divine light of Chri&s;t.</HI></P>
</DIV2>
<DIV2 N="31" TYPE="chapter">
<HEAD>CHAP. XXXI. <HI>ANSWER.</HI></HEAD>
<P>HEre <HI>Fox</HI> &s;heweth plainly that the Quakers light of Chri&s;t within them is nothing el&s;e but the Law written in their hearts, their thoughts accu&s;ing and excu&s;ing, as the Heathen have, the Apo&s;tle &s;peaks of, and no divine faith of Chri&s;t at all. Mind! the Scripture &s;aith, <HI>by faith we know the world was made, and by faith Abraham offered up his &s;on I&s;aac, and faith is the evidence of things not &s;een:</HI> and the Apo&s;tles preached the word of faith, and this I &s;ay, no heavenly, &s;piritual, or divine light can be truely under&s;tood but by faith.</P>
<P>And this I &s;ay further, that the letter of the Scriptures were
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&s;poken by the word of Faith, and by faithful men; for there is no writings under Heaven that are the ground of Faith, nor doth give &s;atisfaction to the mind of man, as to his eternal &s;alvation, as the letter of the Scripture doth, if under&s;tood and believed by man; how could man have known the creation of the world, and how God appeared to <HI>Noah</HI> before and after the Flood? or whether there were any Flood or no, but by faith? Or how can any man know that God appeared to <HI>Abraham, I&s;aac,</HI> and <HI>Jacob,</HI> and gave them to prophe&s;ie &s;o many hundred years before of God become|ing fle&s;h, and that he &s;hould &s;ave men from &s;in by his death, even as many as &s;hould believe in his name, with great and mighty things that hath been done by the power of faith, which the letter of the Scriptures doth relate which no man could comprehend nor know but tho&s;e that have faith in the letter of the Scriptures; yet <HI>Fox</HI> the Quaker he could have &s;poken in the power and &s;pirit of the Divine light of Chri&s;t, though the Quakers had never &s;een letter of Scripture nor man. Here the Reader may plainly &s;ee that the Quakers Chri&s;t within them, is no other but the Law written in their hearts, as the Heathen had as afore&s;aid; their thoughts accu|&s;ing and excu&s;ing, this is that Chri&s;t within them they &s;o much talk of, and this is that power and &s;pirit, and divine light of Chri&s;t the Quakers could have &s;poken in, had they never &s;een letter of Scrip|ture, nor man; this is the &s;ame the Heathen had in them, and this I &s;ay had the Quakers never &s;een letter of Scripture, nor man that profe&s;&s;ed the letter of the Scripture, I &s;ay the Quakers would have talked nor &s;poke no more of a Chri&s;t within them, then cur&s;ed <HI>Cain</HI> and his po&s;terity did, or the old world that was drowned, or <HI>Sodom.</HI></P>
<P>The&s;e wicked people never &s;aw no letter of Scripture, nor man, that had faith not as they knew, yet they had the &s;ame Chri&s;t with|in them as the Quakers have by the Law written in their hearts, and might have &s;poken in the power and &s;pirit of the divine light of Chri&s;t as the Quakers do, had they &s;een the letter of the Scripture and men that believes them, as the Quakers do. So that it may be cleer to tho&s;e that have the true light of Faith, and of the inter|pretation of the letter of the Scripture, that the Quakers principle of the light of Chri&s;t within them, is no other but the light of the Law written in their hearts, as the Heathen had before any Scrip|tures were written, and by this Law are they judged in them&s;elves;
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and this is their Chri&s;t within them, and this is that power and &s;pirit, and divine light of Chri&s;t they could have &s;poken in, had they never &s;een letter of Scripture, nor man that profe&s;&s;eth Scrip|ture, and that they do &s;peak now they have &s;een letter of Scripture, and men that profe&s;s it, and believe it, I &s;ay is the very &s;ame, for the Quakers have no more faith in the true Chri&s;t, then if they had never &s;een letter of Scripture, nor any man that believes them, what they have is meer traditional, even the faith of devils; for the Law written in their hearts is the onely and alone Chri&s;t the Quakers have to &s;ave them, and this Chri&s;t is indeed within them, and will never go out of them, but torment them to eternity.</P>
<P N="4">4. Fox <HI>gives glory to his God and Chri&s;t within him, who hath as he &s;aith, &s;et him and other Quakers above that cur&s;e and &s;entence I have pa&s;&s;ed upon them.</HI></P>
</DIV2>
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<HEAD>CHAP. XXXII. <HI>ANSWER.</HI></HEAD>
<P>YOur glory to your God and Chri&s;t within you will fail you in the day of trouble, neither will, nor can deliver you from that cur&s;e and &s;entence I have pa&s;&s;ed upon you, and others of your brethren; neither will you ever be &s;et above it, but &s;hall be kept under it to eternity: flatter your &s;elf as much as you can, you &s;hall not be delivered, neither by your Chri&s;t within you, nor by the true Chri&s;t without you, this I know.</P>
<P N="5">5. Fox <HI>blames me for &s;aying God hath made me Judge of the Qua|kers &s;piritual e&s;tate, and yet,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>thou owne&s;t thy &s;elf but a mortal man; For,</HI> &s;aith Fox, <HI>the &s;piritual man judgeth all things.</HI></P>
</DIV2>
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<HEAD>CHAP. XXXIII. <HI>ANSWER.</HI></HEAD>
<P>Did you <HI>Fox</HI> ever &s;ee any man condemned to die, either natu|ral death, or eternal death by a &s;piritual man without a body? are not all men condemned both natural and &s;piritual by mortal men like them&s;elves? Was not <HI>Mo&s;es</HI> a mortal man, did not he condemn and judge many to die? he &s;aid but the word, and it was done: and did not <HI>Eliah</HI> call for fire from Heaven and de&s;troy two
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Captains and their fifties? with many other &s;trange things he did whereby many were judged by him and killed, yet he was but a mortal man and &s;ubject to infirmity as mortal men are, as the Scrip|ture &s;aith. Again was not <HI>Peter</HI> a mortal men, and was put to death him&s;elf, yet he judged <HI>Ananias</HI> and <HI>Saphirah</HI> his wife to death, yet a mortal man; &s;o is it with every true Prophet and Me&s;&s;enger of Chri&s;t, he hath power to &s;et life and death before men, and power to judge and condemne tho&s;e that rebel again&s;t his commi&s;|&s;ion, and to ju&s;tifie tho&s;e that yield obedience unto it; yet all Gods Me&s;&s;engers they were mortal men, now the&s;e mortal men had great power being commi&s;&s;ionated of God, and they all acted accord|ing to the tenor of their commi&s;&s;ion, and &s;ome of them de&s;troyed life pre&s;ently.</P>
<P>And I am &s;ure if you <HI>Fox</HI> had lived in <HI>Mo&s;es</HI> time, you would have been con&s;umed by him in the gain&s;aying of <HI>Corah,</HI> for you would have rebelled again&s;t <HI>Mo&s;es</HI> &amp; <HI>Aaron,</HI> as you do now again&s;t <HI>John Reeve</HI> and me: but becau&s;e my Commi&s;&s;ion is not to con&s;ume you immediately by a natural de&s;truction, you proudly vaunt your &s;elf again&s;t the Commi&s;&s;ion of the Spirit, thinking you and your Chri&s;t within you &s;hall be able to encounter with me and my Chri&s;t without me: but I mu&s;t judge according to my Commi&s;&s;ion of the Spirit, and not as <HI>Mo&s;es</HI> and the Apo&s;tles did, to de&s;troy the natural life immediately, but our commi&s;&s;ion is with relation to the &s;piritual e&s;tate of men and women after death, and accordingly we judge, yet but mortal men, and mu&s;t die our &s;elves; this power hath God given unto me, and by vertue of this am I made Judge of the Quakers &s;piritual and eternal e&s;tate, what will become of many of you after death.</P>
<P>And as for that &s;aying, <HI>The &s;piritual man judgeth all things,</HI> this is to be minded, that every true Me&s;&s;enger and Mini&s;ter of Chri&s;t may be called a <HI>&s;piritual man,</HI> and he is &s;o, becau&s;e he teacheth &s;uch doctrine that doth comfort the &s;pirits of &s;ome, and torment the &s;pirits of others, in that it divides between the joynts and the marrow: Al&s;o tho&s;e that truly believe, may be called <HI>&s;piritual men,</HI> and can judge the &s;pirits of unbelievers, becau&s;e they know by faith in the doctrine of the true God, that others that have not the &s;ame faith cannot have that peace as they have; for they know by expe|rience in them&s;elves when they were unbelievers, they were with|out
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God in the world, and &s;o were not able to judge who were happy, and who were not; but being ju&s;tified by faith in the true God, they have peace with God, and &s;o can di&s;cern and judge the &s;pirits of others, by what they were them&s;elves who were &s;ome time in darkne&s;s, but now in the light of heaven; and who ever hath this true faith in the doctrine of the true God, may be &s;aid to be a <HI>&s;pi|ritual man,</HI> and able to judge all things that is naught in him&s;elf, and all the unbelief and de&s;pi&s;ings of others.</P>
<P>And &s;o he judgeth all things by his faith in the true God, and in the Me&s;&s;enger God hath &s;ent, yet Mini&s;ter and People are but mor|tal men, and mu&s;t die, yet called by the Seed of Faith <HI>the &s;piritual man that judgeth all things, and is judged of no man.</HI></P>
<P>Therefore you <HI>Fox</HI> &s;hall never have any &s;piritual man to judge you to eternal damnation, but me that am but a mortal man, nei|ther &s;hall you &s;ee any other God or Judge, but that &s;entence that I have given upon you in this life, do you &s;ee if you can get over it.</P>
<P N="6">6. <HI>Fox</HI> blames me for &s;aying the &s;pirit of rea&s;on in man is the devil, and &s;eems to ju&s;tifie the Magi&s;trates that per&s;ecuted me, be|cau&s;e I &s;ay they were rea&s;onable men. And further he blames me, becau&s;e I fled from the devils malice; yet <HI>Fox</HI> judgeth that if tho&s;e Magi&s;trates had inflicted more puni&s;hment than Impri&s;onment upon me, it had bin but rea&s;on the devil &s;till; <HI>for,</HI> &s;aith he, <HI>thou can&s;t not &s;ay it was unrea&s;onablene&s;s in them, according to thy own &s;aying.</HI></P>
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<HEAD>CHAP. XXXIV. <HI>ANSWER.</HI></HEAD>
<P>TO this I do confe&s;s, that tho&s;e Magi&s;trates that per&s;ecuted me in <HI>Darby-&s;hire,</HI> and did impri&s;on me in <HI>Darby</HI> Goal, they were rea&s;onable men, and no unrea&s;onablene&s;s was found in them; for unrea&s;onable men are not fit to be Mayors, Aldermen, and Con|&s;tables of Corporation-Towns; and did you ever know unrea&s;on|able, or di&s;tracted men, to be Mini&s;ters of a Pari&s;h? Nay, they were all rea&s;onable men that were my enemies, and their rea&s;on would have led them to have puni&s;hed me with a greater corporal puni&s;hment than Impri&s;onment, if the Law could have done it.</P>
<P>Nay, becau&s;e they were rea&s;onable men, they could not go be|yond their own Law, for their malice would have reached unto death, had the Law of the Land reached unto it.</P>
<P><PB N="75" REF="42">And that would have plea&s;ed you Quakers very well, for I know &s;ome at that time were &s;orry I e&s;caped &s;o well, and &s;o &s;oon out of pri&s;on: and I finde by the writings of <HI>Richard Farn&s;worth</HI> and yours al&s;o, that you are &s;orry in your hearts that I e&s;caped without any further puni&s;hment, as whipping, and the like; and this I &s;ay fur|ther, had rea&s;on the devil acted in the Magi&s;trates and the Prie&s;t &s;o far in puni&s;hment upon me, as would have &s;atisfied the de&s;ire of you Quakers, and their own malice, yet it had been but rea&s;on the devil &s;till, and it would have been but the malice of the devil exe|cuted, and the de&s;ire of the devil &s;atisfied.</P>
<P>So that I do ju&s;tifie that my per&s;ecutors were rea&s;onable men, and did nothing unto me but what rea&s;on the devil led them unto, and I do expect no other favour from rea&s;onable men than what their Law will bear them out in: But this I mu&s;t tell you, that when rea&s;onable men do judge rightly between man and man in things temporal, this is highly e&s;teemed of by me, and warrantable in the &s;ight of God; but for rea&s;onable men to meddle with the con|&s;ciences of men that breaketh no temporal Law, this is altogether condemned by me, and of God al&s;o. But <HI>Farn&s;worth</HI> and <HI>Fox</HI> the Quakers reviles again&s;t me, becau&s;e I fled away from the devils malice. Indeed the fir&s;t time I was in <HI>Darby-&s;hire</HI> I did go to <HI>Back|wel,</HI> but I did not know there was any await laid for me till after|ward: but however, I &s;hould have been glad if I could have fled away from the devils malice this &s;econd time al&s;o; but I have open|ed this more large in <HI><GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="UOM" EXTENT="1 letter">he Neck of the Quakers broken.</HI></P>
<P>And as for tho&s;e Magi&s;trates devils that per&s;ecuted me, I knew it was rea&s;on the devil in them: al&s;o I knew they were urged on by the Prie&s;t of the Pari&s;h, for the Prie&s;t did ride upon the Mayors &s;pi|rit he being but low in rea&s;on, and ignorant of the law of rea&s;on, therefore it was that I pa&s;&s;ed the Sentence of eternal damnation upon none of my enemies in that matter, but upon the Prie&s;t only. His name is <HI>John Cupp,</HI> I have named him here, becau&s;e he is bound in that bundle of Tares among&s;t the damned &s;ort, &s;o that the Age to come may &s;ee him recorded among&s;t the damned, as <HI>Cain</HI> and <HI>Judas</HI> are in the Scriptures, by good and righteous men.</P>
<P>But I &s;ee by the writings of you Quakers, that your hearts are &s;orry that the Powers of the Nation doth nor puni&s;h me more, yet this I &s;hall tell you, that I have more enemies again&s;t me than any
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Quakers what&s;oever; for you Quakers need &s;uffer nothing by the Powers of the Nation for your doctrine, for they and you are all one in that: but you out of a voluntary will, will wor&s;hip and &s;a|crifice your &s;elves in meetings, contrary to the Law made by the Powers of the Nation, when as you have no Authority from God for any &s;uch practice, you having no true Mini&s;tery no more than the Nation, &s;o you bring per&s;ecution upon your own heads through a voluntary, groundle&s;s &s;uffering for Chri&s;t, when as Chri&s;t owns not your meetings, nor the Powers of the Nation owns them not.</P>
<P>Why &s;hould you &s;uffer &s;o much for a Lie? I know you will take me for your enemy to &s;peak thus; yet this I &s;ay, I always loved the per&s;ecuted better than I did the per&s;ecuter; for though men &s;uffer for a Lie, yet I thought it was in the innocency of the minde, and I always had compa&s;&s;ion upon the afflicted for con&s;cience &s;ake, as I have known &s;ome that have lo&s;t their lives for con&s;cience &s;ake, which I have been &s;orry for, though I know they &s;uffered for a meer Lie, as all you Quakers do; for there is none of you doth &s;uffer for truth, yet I &s;ay whoever doth per&s;ecute you for con&s;cience in meet|ing and wor&s;hipping an unknown God, as you Quakers do, yet I &s;ay tho&s;e men that do per&s;ecute you willingly, they will be every man of them damned to eternity; for that which knoweth the true God, and the true Wor&s;hip, will never per&s;ecute any.</P>
<P>Though we know their wor&s;hip to be fal&s;e, but men that are fal&s;e wor&s;hippers them&s;elves, will per&s;ecute both the fal&s;e wor&s;hippers and the true; this I do know by experience, in that men have per|&s;ecuted me onely for going upon the account of a Prophet, but glad would they have been if they could have catcht me under any Law the Powers of the nation had made, but they could not; therfore the Judge &s;aid to my Accu&s;ers, that Bill of Accu&s;ation it did not belong to the Law, &s;o the Judge could not determine no Sentence upon me; likewi&s;e the Judge cleared me him&s;elf in his own Chamber, likewi&s;e I ju&s;tified the &s;ame things I was accu&s;ed of to the Judges face. The Judge was hot at fir&s;t, he not knowing I was the man, &s;aid to my friend that was with me, <HI>it was not fit &s;uch a man as I &s;hould live.</HI> With that I asked the Judge why he &s;aid &s;o? Do not you read in the writing what you are accu&s;ed of? I &s;aid, I read what I am accu&s;ed of, but what is it &s;ay you, that I am not fit to live? Why, &s;aith the Judge, are you the man? I &s;aid Yes. So the
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Judge took the Paper out of my hand, and read the Articles of my Accu&s;ation: what &s;ay you to this, &s;aith he? So one by one he ask|ed me: &s;o I an&s;wered him to every one di&s;tinct of it &s;elf; &s;o when the Judge had heard my an&s;wer, he &s;aid it was well, and freed me from going to <HI>Darby</HI> Goal any more.</P>
<P>But this is that I would have the Reader minde, that if I had been taken in a Meeting, as the Quakers are, then the Judge would have had the Law on his &s;ide; and all other things I was accu&s;ed of, as bla&s;phemy, and how I had power to damn and to &s;ave, and that I was one of the two Witne&s;&s;es &s;poken of in the <HI>Revelation,</HI> and that their believing the Scriptures now they were damn'd by me, would do them no good; the&s;e, with &s;uch like things, were given in again&s;t me, I &s;ay all things would have been &s;wallowed up in one meet|ing, and the Judge would have took up that Law, and would have given Judgement and Sentence upon me, as he did to Bapti&s;ts and Quakers in my &s;ight, onely for meeting contrary to the Act.</P>
<P>Therefore if you Quakers would forbear meeting, you need not &s;uffer for your faith at all, and if you would be ruled by me, or take my advi&s;e not to meet at all, for I am &s;orry that many innocent, harmle&s;s people &s;hould wa&s;te their e&s;tates, &s;uffer Impri&s;onment, and impoveri&s;h their health, and &s;uffer bani&s;hment, and &s;o bring their lives to an end before their time, for that which is not truth.</P>
<P>For you do but imitate other mens Commi&s;&s;ion and practice, &s;o that you are traditional people as all other Churches are; for if you do not meet contrary to the Law, you need not &s;uffer the lo&s;s of a groat for your Faith, nor your Chri&s;t within you; for the Powers of the Nation are of your minde as to your doctrine, the Pope will agree with you as to that, but all the &s;trife among&s;t you is about Di&s;cipline, this I am very &s;en&s;ible of.</P>
<P>Therefore I never rejoyced, nor de&s;ired the &s;ufferings of the Quakers for their meetings, though I knew they &s;uffered for a Lie, yet I always pittied them when they were impri&s;oned and bani&s;hed for meeting, though I know they rejoyced at my Impri&s;onment, and were &s;orry there was not wor&s;e puni&s;hment inflicted upon me; the truth of this is clear by the writings of <HI>Richard Farn&s;worth</HI> and <HI>George Fox,</HI> and other Quakers that I know, who ju&s;tified the Magi|&s;trates in what they did unto me, and thinks the Magi&s;trates might have puni&s;hed me wor&s;e if they would; but I know they would
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not have &s;pared me &s;o much as they do the Quaker, had they had the Law on their &s;ide as they have again&s;t the Quakers. But no more of that here</P>
<P N="7">7. <HI>Fox</HI> calls me a lying &s;pirit becau&s;e I &s;ay it doth not belong to Chri&s;t now being in heaven, to interpret Scripture; <HI>Yet,</HI> &s;aith <HI>Fox, doth not the Scripture &s;ay all &s;hall be taught of God? and that he opens, and no man &s;huts? And doth not</HI> John <HI>&s;ay, No man was found worthy to open the Book but the Lion of the Tribe of</HI> Judah? <HI>And was not Chri&s;t anointed to preach?</HI></P>
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<HEAD><HI>CHAP. XXXV.</HI> ANSWER.</HEAD>
<P>HEre the Reader may &s;ee the ignorance of <HI>Fox</HI> the Quaker, and all the re&s;t of them, of the true meaning of the Scriptures; al&s;o I &s;hall make it appear to tho&s;e that have any true light in them, that the interpretation of Scripture doth not belong unto Chri&s;t now, nor never did, but it belongs onely unto &s;uch men as he &s;ends, and hath given them the gift, as thus:</P>
<P>Fir&s;t, <HI>Mo&s;es</HI> was a man, and did not he interpret unto his bre|thren the I&s;raelites in <HI>Egypt,</HI> the &s;ayings of God unto him concern|ing their deliverance out of that bondage? Did not <HI>Mo&s;es</HI> and <HI>Aa|ron</HI> interpret, and &s;hew &s;igns and wonders in <HI>Egypt</HI> of tho&s;e things God had revealed and made known unto them? Was not the&s;e men that did this?</P>
<P N="2">2. Was not <HI>Jo&s;eph</HI> a man, that did interpret his own dreams, and the dreams of <HI>Pharaohs</HI> Butler and Baker, and <HI>Pharaohs</HI> own dream? Will you, <HI>Fox,</HI> &s;ay it was God that did interpret <HI>Pharaohs</HI> dream? was it not <HI>Jo&s;eph</HI> a man like him&s;elf, therefore promoted to great honor?</P>
<P N="3">3. Was not <HI>Daniel</HI> a man, that did interpret the King of <HI>Babylons</HI> dreams? Did God interpret the Kings dreams, or <HI>Daniel</HI> that was a man? did not tho&s;e Kings of <HI>Babylon</HI> promote <HI>Daniel</HI> to honor, in that the Spirit of the Holy Gods had given a man &s;uch wi&s;dom and under&s;tanding to interpret Dreams, Vi&s;ions, and hard Sen|tences? all this was done by a mortal man, and not by God him&s;elf.</P>
<P N="4">4. Was not the Prophets mortal men, and not God? yet they did interpret to the Kings of <HI>I&s;rael</HI> and <HI>Judah,</HI> the councel of the God of <HI>I&s;rael</HI> what he would do if they would not for&s;ake their ido|latry,
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and turn unto the wor&s;hip of the Law of <HI>Mo&s;es,</HI> he would make them de&s;olate? yet the&s;e Prophets were but men, and not God. Though <HI>Eliah</HI> did call for fire from heaven, and de&s;troyed two Captains and their fifties, and fire to burn up the Sacrifice in the &s;ight of the people, and de&s;troyed four hundred of <HI>Baals</HI> prie&s;ts, and &s;hut the heavens that it rained not, yet he was but a man, it was not God him&s;elf that the King would, or did &s;eek after to kill him, it was a man like him&s;elf.</P>
<P>Al&s;o <HI>Jeremiah,</HI> when he unfolded and interpreted the Councel of God, that other Prophets had foretold of concerning the de|&s;truction of <HI>Jeru&s;alem</HI> to <HI>Zedekiah?</HI> was it God him&s;elf that did in|terpret it to the King, or was it <HI>Jeremiah</HI> a mortal man, or no?</P>
<P>So all the Prophets little or much, gave interpretations of the Councel of God concerning <HI>Jeru&s;alem,</HI> they were all but men, and were not the people of the Jews bound to believe tho&s;e men whom God &s;ent, except God would come him&s;elf? Why then doth the Prophet <HI>I&s;aiah</HI> &s;ay, <HI>Who hath believed our report? or to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?</HI> His meaning is this, who&s;oever doth believe we that are Prophets &s;ent of God: believe but our report, and you &s;hall know the true God, the God of <HI>I&s;rael,</HI> and the &s;trength of his arm, to &s;ave and deliver you from your &s;ins: but except ye believe our report who are men like your &s;elves, the arm of Gods &s;aving health will never be revealed unto you, for God will not do it by him&s;elf, but by us his Me&s;&s;engers, who are men, will his arm of &s;alvation be revealed unto, if you believe our report.</P>
<P N="5">5. Was not <HI>Philip</HI> a man that did interpret that &s;aying in <HI>I&s;aiah</HI> the Prophet, which the Eunuch read <HI>Act.</HI> 8.32. <HI>He was led as a &s;heep to the &s;laughter, and like a lamb dumb before the &s;hearer, &s;o opened he not his mouth.</HI> Here <HI>Philip</HI> ran to the Charret, and asked the Eu|nuch, <HI>&V;nder&s;tande&s;t thou what thou reade&s;t?</HI> as ver&s;e 30 mark: Said the Eunuch, <HI>How can I, except &s;ome man guide me?</HI> Here you may &s;ee that the Eunuch did not expect that God him&s;elf &s;hould inter|pret Scripture unto him: but, &s;aith he, how &s;hall I know the inter|pretation of Scripture, except &s;ome man guide me? that is, ex|cept &s;ome man interpret it to me, as the words doth imply; for <HI>Philip</HI> opened tho&s;e &s;ayings unto him which made the Eunuch to under&s;tand, and believe, and be bapti&s;ed.</P>
<P>Now will you <HI>Fox</HI> &s;ay that Chri&s;t him&s;elf did interpret this
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Scripture to the Eunuch, or did it belong to a mortal man? I think you will not be &s;o gro&s;ly ignorant, to &s;ay that Chri&s;t him&s;elf went into the Eunuchs Charret, and interpreted tho&s;e Scriptures to him; Surely if the interpretation of Scripture had belonged onely unto Chri&s;t, and not unto man, as <HI>Fox</HI> doth a&s;&s;ert, then Chri&s;t mu&s;t have come from heaven, and have went into the Charret in <HI>Philips</HI> &s;tead, becau&s;e <HI>Philip</HI> was a man, and interpretation of Scripture doth not belong to man, as <HI>Fox</HI> the Quaker &s;aith.</P>
<P>May not any man that hath but the light of &s;en&s;e and rea&s;on in his under&s;tanding, &s;ee the gro&s;s darkne&s;s of the&s;e Quakers, which pretends to be in the cleare&s;t light of all the &s;even Churches, but to my knowledge the darke&s;t of all in point of doctrine.</P>
<P>And as for that &s;aying of Scripture, <HI>We &s;hall be all taught of God,</HI> it is not meant that God will teach every particular man and wo|man him&s;elf; do you <HI>Fox</HI> believe &s;o? why then do you prattle to the people when you meet, as if you would interpret the meaning of Scripture, and teach the people the knowledge of Chri&s;t, for you are but a man? why do not you let Chri&s;t teach the people him&s;elf, &s;eeing you will have all taught of God, and allow no man to interpret Scripture, nor teach the people? For if you &s;ay Chri&s;t doth interpret Scripture, and not <HI>Muggleton,</HI> becau&s;e <HI>Muggleton</HI> is a man, and the interpretation of Scripture you &s;ay belongs to Chri&s;t, and not to <HI>Muggleton,</HI> for <HI>Muggleton</HI> is but a man, &s;o Qua|kers are all taught of God, and not by man.</P>
<P>I marvel why there is &s;o many Men-teachers among&s;t the Qua|kers, &s;eeing teaching knowledge of heavenly things, and the inter|pretation of Scripture belongeth to God and Chri&s;t, and not to man! If I were of your faith, I would give over teaching and tal|king of the Scriptures, and leave it to God and Chri&s;t to whom it doth, and it would be well for you Speakers of the Quakers, if you had done &s;o before you took upon you to preach Chri&s;t within you; you have undertook to teach that which you &s;ay God will do, and to interpret Scripture, which you &s;ay doth belong unto Chri&s;t.</P>
<P>But I &s;ee all tho&s;e people that will be taught of God, and have the Scriptures interpreted unto them by Chri&s;t him&s;elf, and will not receive the interpretation from man, I &s;ay tho&s;e people are more ignorant and dark in their mindes, than tho&s;e that are taught by man.</P>
<P><PB N="81" REF="45">And I am &s;ure the Quakers people would have known more truth if they had been taught by man that hath a Commi&s;&s;ion from God, as <HI>Reeve</HI> and <HI>Muggleton</HI> hath, than they do by all that God ever taught them in their lives.</P>
<P>And the Interpretation of Scripture we have given, if under|&s;tood, would have informed their Judgements more than all the Interpretation of Scripture that Chri&s;t ever did interpret unto the Quakers people &s;ince the name of Quakers was put upon them, yet we are but mortal men, and mu&s;t die.</P>
<P>But to clear the &s;cruple that may ari&s;e in mens mindes, becau&s;e I &s;peak thus, I &s;hall &s;hew in a few words how men may be &s;aid to be taught of God, and how the Interpretation of Scripture may be &s;aid to belong unto Chri&s;t.</P>
<P>Fir&s;t, when God chu&s;eth any one man, or more, to be his cho|&s;en Prophet, Me&s;&s;enger, or Mini&s;ter, God doth furni&s;h &s;uch with wi&s;dom, and under&s;tanding, and revelation, to declare the minde of God to the people, what God would have the people do, and look how many people, or who ever doth believe this Me&s;&s;enger &s;ent of God, they may be &s;aid to be taught of God, and are taught of God.</P>
<P>So likewi&s;e he that hath the gift of Interpretation of Scripture, as Prophets, Apo&s;tles, and we the Witne&s;&s;es of the Spirit hath, our Interpretation of Scripture may be &s;aid to belong unto Chri&s;t, and that it is the true Interpretation of Chri&s;t him&s;elf, becau&s;e we had our Commi&s;&s;ion from him to teach the people, and to inter|pret Scripture to as many as believe us, to their great peace and &s;atisfaction of their &s;ouls: And in this &s;en&s;e people may truely &s;ay they are all taught of God, and that Chri&s;t hath given the true interpretation of Scripture by his &s;ervants the Prophets, Apo&s;tles, and Witne&s;&s;es of the Spirit, to our everla&s;ting peace and comfort, yet all this is declared by men, yea by mortal men, and not by Chri&s;t him&s;elf, as the Quakers do vainly imagine.</P>
<P N="6">6. Al&s;o <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith, <HI>Chri&s;t opens and no man &s;huts:</HI> and &s;aith, <HI>Doth not</HI> John <HI>&s;ay, No man was found worthy to open the Book, but the Lion of the Tribe of</HI> Judah? And &s;aith, <HI>Was not Chri&s;t an|nointed to preach?</HI></P>
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<HEAD>CHAP. XXXVI. <HI>ANSWER.</HI></HEAD>
<P>THis beareth the &s;ame &s;ence as the other, what&s;oever the Pro|phets, Apo&s;tles and Witne&s;&s;es of the Spirit doth, it may be &s;aid Chri&s;t doth it, as the Prophets they preached of Balm in <HI>Gi|lead,</HI> and of Eye-&s;alve to anoynt the peoples eyes, that they might &s;ee what did belong to their peace, and where they might have &s;alve to heal the wound in con&s;cience, which &s;in had made in their &s;ouls, this is called the preaching of Chri&s;t by his Prophets.</P>
<P N="2">2. The Apo&s;tles had power given them by Chri&s;t to open the eyes of the blinde, and to give light unto them that were in dark|ne&s;s, and in the &s;hadow of death, and brought tho&s;e that believed their doctrine into the light of life eternal. Al&s;o they had the Keys of Heaven and of Hell, to bind &s;in upon the con&s;ciences of unbe|lievers never to be forgiven, and to loo&s;e the &s;ins of tho&s;e that did truely believe their doctrine of Chri&s;t; and thus they did open the Book of con&s;cience in the believer, and no man could &s;hut up that con&s;cience which the Apo&s;tles doctrine opened; neither could any man open that con&s;cience the Apo&s;tles &s;hut up in unbelief: This al&s;o is called the preaching of Chri&s;t, and opening and &s;hutting the Book of Con&s;cience by Chri&s;t, yet this was done by men and not by Chri&s;t him&s;elf; But in regard they did preach the Go&s;pel by vertue of Authority from Chri&s;t, and they were anointed by him to preach the everla&s;ting Go&s;pel, and had power given them to open the Book of Con&s;cience in &s;ome, whereby they did believe in Chri&s;t, and &s;hut the con&s;cience of others up in unbelief; and thus that &s;aying of the Scripture is fulfilled, that Chri&s;t was anoynted to preach the Go&s;pel of glad tidings of &s;alvation; for what his Me&s;|&s;engers doth, it is as if he did it him&s;elf.</P>
<P>Again, we the Witne&s;&s;es of the Spirit are anoynted and cho&s;en of Chri&s;t to preach the everla&s;ting Go&s;pel, and Chri&s;t hath given us power to &s;et life and death before men, and we have power to binde and loo&s;e, and to open and &s;hut the Book of Con&s;cience, and no man can &s;hut that con&s;cience we have opened, neither can any man open that con&s;cience we have &s;hut up in darkne&s;s as to any &s;piritual knowledge or true peace: this many can witne&s;s on
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both &s;ides, if they would, but our other writings doth &s;peak more large of this point; &s;o I &s;hall &s;ay no more as to this.</P>
<P>Onely this, that this power we the Witne&s;&s;es of the Spirit have is the power of Chri&s;t, as the Prophets and Apo&s;tles power was in their time, therefore &s;aid to be done by Chri&s;t him&s;elf.</P>
<P>But I know <HI>Fox</HI> the Quaker is willing to believe that dead Pro|phets and Apo&s;tles were Me&s;&s;engers of Chri&s;t, but he doth not be|lieve there is any &s;ent of Chri&s;t not alive, but what is within them, but he &s;hall find that we the Witne&s;&s;es of the Spirit were &s;ent of God, and have as great power given us, as any Prophet or Apo&s;tle what&s;oever.</P>
<P>And as for that &s;aying of <HI>John, Revelation</HI> 5. <HI>That no man in Hea|ven, nor in Earth, nor under the Earth, was able to open the Book, but the Lion of the Tribe of Judah.</HI> This I would have the Reader to minde, for it is a vain thing to talk to Quakers of interpretation of Scrip|ture by man, that is alive; but <HI>John</HI> that &s;pake the&s;e words being dead, the Quakers believe his words, though they know nothing what he meant, nor what that Book was that none could open but Chri&s;t.</P>
<P>This let the Reader minde, that there is three Books that are to be opened by Chri&s;t, as you may &s;ee <HI>Rev.</HI> 20.20. <HI>And the Books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the Book of Life.</HI></P>
<P>Now to give the Reader to under&s;tand the&s;e three Books, the fir&s;t Book is the Law written in mans heart, this Book are all the Heathen are to be judged by, when it is opened at the great day of the Lord. The &s;econd Book is the Con&s;cience of people who hath heard the preaching of Faith in Chri&s;t, yet did not believe, when this Book is opened they &s;hall be judged at that great day in them|&s;elves, for their unbelief. The third Book is the Book of Life, wherein all true believers Faith is written, and according to their works of faith they are judged, and &s;o according to the works of unbelief, are judged, and according to the works of rea&s;on, their thoughts accu&s;ing, &s;hall the Heathen be judged according to what is written.</P>
<P>In the&s;e Books &s;hall all people be judged both &s;mall and great.</P>
<P>Mind and look what judgement Gods Me&s;&s;engers hath given unto men in this life, the &s;ame will Chri&s;t give when he doth rai&s;e them again at the la&s;t day, as I have &s;aid before, therefore this Book
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which no man in Heaven nor in Earth could open, it was the Book of Life, and none was found worthy to open the Book of Life but Chri&s;t, he being the Lion of the Tribe of <HI>Judah.</HI> This Book of Life mu&s;t needs belong to Chri&s;t to open, and to no man el&s;e; for he is God the fir&s;t and the la&s;t, the beginning and the end of all mankind; but what is this to interpret Scripture? Chri&s;t hath given that to man: but I have opened the&s;e things more large in <HI>the Interpretation of the whole Book of the Revelation.</HI></P>
<P>In the la&s;t place I &s;hall &s;ay &s;omething as to the Quakers principle &amp; practice: <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith in the end of his Pamphlet again&s;t me, <HI>that I am judged with the Spirit of Truth; and over me,</HI> &s;aith <HI>Fox, is the true and Faithful witne&s;s Chri&s;t Je&s;us the Corner-&s;tone, which will grind me to powder.</HI> Further <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith, <HI>in Chri&s;t is his people, meaning the Qua|kers, that reign over my head, that can rai&s;e and reign over the head of the cur&s;er: and Fox</HI> &s;aith, <HI>Edward Bourn whom thou ha&s;t cur&s;t and dam|ned, who is far above thee and thy Father, in him that redeems out of the cur&s;e, and de&s;troys thee and thy Father both.</HI></P>
<P>I do acknowledge that Chri&s;t Je&s;us the Faithful Witne&s;s, the Corner-&s;tone, &s;hould grinde me to powder if he doth not own me to be &s;ent of him; if I do cur&s;e any without a commi&s;&s;ion from him, or if I &s;hould cur&s;e any of the true Chri&s;ts people, then let that cur&s;e be upon my own head, as <HI>Fox</HI> &s;aith.</P>
<P>Al&s;o I was always willing that tho&s;e people that were ingrafted into Chri&s;t by Faith, &s;hould be above me; for there is no people in Chri&s;t but &s;uch as are ingrafted into him by faith, which I am &s;ure no Quaker is as in that &s;tate, neither can any man be a member of Chri&s;t but by the hearing of Faith, <HI>and faith comes by hearing, how can any preach the word of faith except he be &s;ent?</HI> as I am &s;ure no Qua|ker never was &s;ent of Chri&s;t to preach, therefore no Quakers peo|ple in Chri&s;t.</P>
<P>But that Chri&s;t the Quakers people are in, I that am a man hath power over &s;ome, I have &s;eparated their Chri&s;t from them one from the other, and hath &s;hewed them the true Chri&s;t to their great &s;atisfaction, and they have bin glad they were rid of the Quakers Chri&s;t.</P>
<P>Others again hath bin condemned by me, both them and their Chri&s;t, neither would I let them and their Chri&s;t part one from an|other, but torment each other; for this Chri&s;t the Quakers hath
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in them, is the Law written in their hearts, and the Chri&s;t the Qua|ker people are in, is the motions of this Law, and &s;ometimes they do well, then the Law is quiet in them, and their Chri&s;t giveth peace to them; &s;o I knowing this Chri&s;t was born with man, and man born with it, as the Apo&s;tle &s;aith, being under the Law then free from grace.</P>
<P>But being born again, we are not under the Law but under Grace, but the Quakers people are under the Law, though not the outward letter, as the people of the Jews were, yet they are under the Law written in their hearts, as the Heathen were before any Law was given; and this is the Quakers Chri&s;t within them, and that Chri&s;t they are in; &s;o that Chri&s;t the only God hath cho|&s;en me, and hath given me power over the Quakers Chri&s;t with|in them and them&s;elves al&s;o, to keep them together, &s;o that the one &s;hall not part from the other; for though they &s;hall de&s;ire that this Chri&s;t within them might part from them, but it will not, but torment their &s;ouls to eternity; This will be <HI>Fox</HI> the Quakers por|tion, and many more Quakers be&s;ides, and if you <HI>Edward Bourn</HI> and others of the Quakers, whom I have cur&s;ed, do get over, or above that cur&s;e and &s;entence I have pa&s;&s;ed upon you, let your righteou&s;ne&s;s be what it will, I &s;ay then <HI>Cain</HI> &s;hall get above, and over that cur&s;e God him&s;elf pronounced upon him, and &s;o &s;hall <HI>Judas</HI> get above that cur&s;e Chri&s;t pronounced upon him.</P>
<P>Furthermore; if you Quakers were not wilfully ignorant and blinde, you might &s;ee that this commi&s;&s;ion of the Spirit given to <HI>John Reeve</HI> and <HI>Muggleton</HI> hath had great power over the Ranters and Quakers, it hath broken the Ranters principle all to pieces, &s;o that none dares hold up an argument to defend it, you Quakers al&s;o are very much &s;hattered, you are not like the people ye were 16 years ago, this &s;ome that had a love for you have &s;een &amp; confe&s;t.</P>
<P>The Ranters when we came out fir&s;t &s;ixten years ago, were very high in their elevations, in &s;eeing of vi&s;ions, and going forth as Pro|phets and Prophete&s;&s;es, and &s;tripping them&s;elves naked for &s;igns, as you Quakers have done, I can make it appear in &s;ome particu|lars, that this commi&s;&s;ion hath had great power over Ranters and Quakers; for the heads of the&s;e two were <HI>John Robins</HI> and <HI>John Taney; Robins</HI> was the head of all fal&s;e Chri&s;ts, fal&s;e Prophets, Prophete&s;&s;es, Shakers, and Quakers, and you Quakers are but the
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&s;pawn of <HI>John Robins,</HI> and that Chri&s;t you own within you being a fal&s;e Chri&s;t, <HI>John Robins</HI> was the head of that principle al&s;o; his believers had tho&s;e witchcraft-fits upon them, as you Quakers had very &s;trongly at that time, when <HI>John Robins</HI> was in power; al&s;o <HI>John Taney</HI> was the head of the Athei&s;tical Ranters, &amp; tho&s;e Ranters were very high in their language, and vile in their practi&s;e as to oppre&s;&s;e one another, deflower Virgins, commit whoredome with mens wives, and counted all the wickedne&s;s they did to be righte|ou&s;ne&s;s, the&s;e things and much more did tho&s;e people do, and the&s;e two heads were in great power when we came fir&s;t out; and the fir&s;t man that was cur&s;ed by us after we had power, was <HI>John Ro|bins,</HI> after that divers of his Prophets were cur&s;t, and in two months time after <HI>John Rob'ins</HI> power fell, and all his Prophets and Prophete&s;&s;es fel with him, &s;o he and they moultered away like dirt, and none dur&s;t acknowledge any faith in <HI>John Robins,</HI> neither could they attain any Witchcraft-fits any more, &s;o that <HI>John Ro|bins,</HI> and his Prophets and people are layd a&s;ide as if they had ne|ver been.</P>
<P>Afterwards it came to pa&s;s, that <HI>John Taney</HI> was damned by us, becau&s;e he would not lay down the Prie&s;t-hood, and his <HI>Jeru&s;alem Journey,</HI> he had witchcraft-fits al&s;o, and would &s;hut up him&s;elf nine days to produce them, but could not after he was cur&s;t, &s;o after few years he fell, and all his great matters to nothing, &s;o that not one of his hearers can tell what became of him. Likewi&s;e we did pa&s;&s;e Sentence on &s;everal of the Ranters Mini&s;ters, as of them them&s;elves, &s;o that they all tumbled down headlong, and could not ri&s;e again to this day.</P>
<P>Now do you <HI>Fox</HI> the Quaker call to minde, and &s;ee whether this cur&s;e <HI>Reeve</HI> and <HI>Muggleton</HI> hath not been over the Quakers people, nor touched them? there hath a many Quakers been cur&s;t by us, but e&s;pecially of late years by me; have you your &s;elf <HI>Edward Bor|rows, Francis Hougal,</HI> you three were the fir&s;t Quakers <HI>John Reeve</HI> damned? have you three had any witchcraft-fits &s;ince? have you foamed at the mouth, &amp; &s;wollen in your belly with the workings of the &s;pirit? and as you think as if you had the Falling-&s;ickne&s;s? have you had any new vi&s;ion, or new revelation in tho&s;e witch|craft-fits &s;ince, yea or nay?</P>
<P>I am &s;ure it hath great power over you Quakers; and hath put
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a &s;top to tho&s;e witchcraft-fits; for I do not hear of any Quaker of late that hath any, though they were never cur&s;t by me: this cur&s;e hath run in the line of the heads of the Quakers, &s;o that it doth put a &s;top to the whole body; &s;o that none of the members can pro|duce a witchcraft-fit; nay, the Quakers are bereft of all revelation now, and Me&s;&s;ages to the Magi&s;trates; they have left off &s;tripping them&s;elves naked, and imitating the Prophets of old.</P>
<P>Do you <HI>Fox</HI> own that practi&s;e of <HI>Solomon Ecle</HI> the Quaker? I per|ceive by a pa&s;&s;age in your book you do, becau&s;e <HI>I&s;aiah</HI> did &s;o, as a &s;ign to the Jews, but your Prophet <HI>Solomon Ecle</HI> went in a more &s;hamele&s;s manner, being &s;ent by the &s;pirit of witchcraft, then <HI>I&s;aiah</HI> did that was &s;ent of God; for <HI>Ecle</HI> went &s;tark naked, as is reported at <HI>Aldermanbury</HI> Church, and not onely &s;o but he was &s;hamle&s;ly be|&s;hit, &s;o that none could lay hands on him, onely the Coachmans whip gave him a jerk or two: this is he that went with fire upon his head in <HI>Bartholomew-fair,</HI> al&s;o he &s;owed his linings upon the peoples Communion-table to prophane it at <HI>Aldermary</HI> Church; the&s;e things were very brief formerly with the Ranters and Qua|kers people, they were much for &s;igns, though &s;ome of them were very bea&s;ty &s;igns; yet the Ranters and Quakers were well plea&s;ed with them, being moved thereunto by the &s;pirit of witchcraft, to imitate Prophets of old in a more &s;hamele&s;s manner.</P>
<P>As I could tell you &s;ome things of the Ranters practi&s;e, who would go forth as &s;igns: there was one his name was <HI>Nathaniel,</HI> he was the Ranters &s;ign, yet pretended to be a &s;ign of the Presbyte|rian Mini&s;tery, that as he did &s;tink in the no&s;trils of people, &s;o &s;hould they; for he went always be&s;hit, &s;o he was called <HI>Shitten Nat;</HI> he eat his own dung, and &s;tank that none would come nigh him; nay mi&s;tre&s;s <HI>Cook</HI> a Ranter would lye with him in the fields and make cakes of his dung for him to eat, and he did eat his own dung; but whether &s;he did eat any with him, I cannot tell; but it was &s;aid &s;he did: now this &s;ign goeth beyond the Quaker <HI>Solomon Ecle.</HI> Al&s;o this mi&s;tre&s;s <HI>Cook</HI> &s;he went to <HI>We&s;tmin&s;ter</HI> Church to &s;hew the Mini&s;ter a &s;ign, &s;he &s;tript her &s;elf &s;tark naked, and went into the Church; &s;o &s;ome threw a cloak over her to cover her nakedne&s;s, and &s;he was committed to <HI>Bride-well,</HI> and there &s;he was clothed all in white linnen like the Queen of Heaven; the&s;e were Ranting &s;igns now for you Quakers to imitate; many &s;uch things were acted
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by that &s;ort of people; as that <HI>John Thomas</HI> who danced naked be|fore Sir <HI>Richard Brown</HI> as he went to the Church, and being com|mitted by him, was extreamly whipped, and when he had &s;uffered, and was out of pri&s;on poy&s;oned him&s;elf, <HI>Richard Ru&s;el</HI> the Quakers wife can witne&s;s the truth of his nakedne&s;s before Sir <HI>Richard Brown,</HI> for &s;he went on one &s;ide, and another woman on the other, they were both impri&s;oned with him; many more of tho&s;e Ran|ters came to a &s;ad end, for mo&s;t of them fell to nothing after their head <HI>John Taney</HI> did fall, and their principle doth &s;tink in the no|&s;trils of all civil people, even as he did that was the true &s;ign to that &s;ort of people, for he &s;tank in the no&s;trils of all that came neer him, he could hot endure him&s;elf, nay he killed him&s;elf with the wyer of a candle&s;tick, thru&s;t it into his belly, and &s;o died: do you <HI>George Fox</HI> approve of &s;uch &s;hitten &s;hamele&s;s Prophets, and &s;tinking &s;igns as the&s;e? how much difference is there in <HI>Solomon Ecle</HI> his &s;ign being a Quaker, then in the Ranters? are not you Quakers almo&s;t a&s;hamed of your Prophets &s;igns? the&s;e things hath bin pretty com|mon among&s;t Quakers heretofore, when the &s;pirit of witchcraft reigned in them; but now the power of witchcraft-fits is &s;ubdued by <HI>Reeve</HI> and <HI>Muggletons</HI> commi&s;&s;ion, neither &s;hall you Quakers whom I have cur&s;ed get above, nor over that cur&s;e I have pa&s;&s;ed upon you, for it &s;hall be upon your per&s;ons and over the heads of your &s;ouls to eternity, and none &s;hall deliver you from it.</P>
<P>Thus much in an&s;wer to <HI>George Fox</HI> his printed Pamphlet.</P>
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<BYLINE><HI>By</HI> Lodwick Muggleton.</BYLINE>
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<HEAD>Here followeth the Copy of a LETTER &s;ent to <HI>SARAH COPPIN,</HI> Quaker.</HEAD>
<OPENER><SALUTE>Sarah Coppin,</SALUTE></OPENER>
<P>YOu may remember about fourteen years ago, in the year 1653. that you did &s;eem to receive <HI>John Reeve</HI> and <HI>Lodowick Mug|gleton</HI> as Me&s;&s;engers and Prophets of the Lord, or as Witne&s;&s;es of the Spirit; and further you did &s;hew much kindne&s;s unto us upon that account, for there could be no other inducement in us at that time to invite any to &s;hew kindne&s;s unto us, but that doctrine de|clared by us concerning the true God, as our writings did declare, which you did &s;eem to own. Al&s;o you may remember your great zeal you had for us when we were pri&s;oners in <HI>Old-Bridewel,</HI> your zeal carried you out &s;o far for us to deliver a Writing of ours unto <HI>Oliver Cromwel,</HI> who was then cho&s;en Lord Protector; this you did your &s;elf in zeal and love to this Comm&s;&s;iion of the Spirit, as we the Witne&s;&s;es of the Spirit thought, and I &s;uppo&s;e your &s;elf did think what you did in that kinde, it was in &s;incerity of heart al&s;o, and we took it &s;o, and had a love for you as to your eternal happine&s;s; but your faith was not truely grounded, neither upon the doctrine of the true God, nor the Commi&s;&s;ion of the Spirit, as it is manife&s;t &s;ince. Al&s;o you may remember one <HI>Joan Bi&s;hop</HI> a maid, that was the occa&s;ion of bringing you acquainted with us; and that you had been very religiou&s;ly given before you met with us, even &s;o much that you were almo&s;t di&s;tracted about your &s;al|vation, in that none of the Preachers of the Nation could &s;hew you the way to re&s;t for your &s;oul, they having no true re&s;t them&s;elves; yet you may remember your receiving us upon that account as Prophets of the Lord, who had put down <HI>John Taney, John Robins,</HI> and many others that went as prophets and prophete&s;&s;es, and pre|tended great revelations and vi&s;ions from the Lord, and yet knew not what God is: the&s;e all have been brought down by us the Wit|ne&s;&s;es of the Spirit, the&s;e things you know in part.</P>
<P>Al&s;o your acquaintance with us, it cured you of that di&s;tracted condition you were in before you knew us, and you were clothed
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in your right minde, and was able to give a &s;en&s;ible An&s;wer to any that did oppo&s;e you: but I know you cannot do &s;o now you are turned to the Quakers, though you are become a Speaker among&s;t them. I know your pride, and ambition of your heart that loveth to be e&s;teemed of people: what, a Woman-preacher! you think this to be a great glory to you, but the greate&s;t &s;hame that po&s;&s;ible may be will be the effects of it; for it is not your many &s;en&s;le&s;s &s;peeches without form or order produced by a witchcraft &s;pirit within you, which you call the light of Chri&s;t; I &s;ay this you have gloried in will be your endle&s;s &s;hame, for your latter end will be wor&s;e than your beginning, for you are become an ab&s;olute Apo|&s;tate, who hath back-&s;lided and fallen from the truth, and turned to the Quakers, the mo&s;t Antichri&s;tian Principle of all the &s;even Churches, and the greate&s;t fighters again&s;t a per&s;onal God with|out man, of any, &s;o that you are an ab&s;olute Apo&s;tate, and impo&s;|&s;ible to be renewed by repentance; for you are fallen from truth to a lie, for you are as &s;ome were in the Apo&s;tles time, as <HI>Heb.</HI> 3 6. who were enlightened, and had ta&s;ted of the good word of God, and the powers of the life to come, that is, they were enlightened by the Commi&s;&s;ion of the Go&s;pel committed to them to preach, they ta&s;ted that good word of God, even the doctrine of Chri&s;t, which was life and &s;alvation to them that truly believed: But &s;ee|ming believers ta&s;ted of this good word of God which the Apo|&s;tles preached and rejoyced in it for a &s;ea&s;on, as <HI>Herod</HI> did; and as for the powers of the life to come, they had peace in their minds and hope of eternal life by the Apo&s;tles doctrine, &s;o long as they &s;tood by faith, but when they fell away from that faith they once profe&s;t, they could not be renewed again by repentance, &s;o that all that light and word of God they ta&s;ted of, and peace, and hope, which is the powers of the life to come, it all withered and dyed within them, &s;o that they were not &s;en&s;ible of the light of heaven, nor any goodne&s;s of Gods word they preacht, nor any peace, or hope they ever found by owning the Apo&s;tles doctrine; &s;o it is with you as it was with tho&s;e apo&s;tates that did fall away from the Apo&s;tles Commi&s;&s;ion after they had made a profe&s;&s;ion to own and believe it, and had received many refre&s;hments in their mindes, and had ta&s;ted of the Joys of Heaven, but in that they did fall from it to &s;ome other opinion, as to the wor&s;hip of the Law, as the <HI>Ga|latians</HI>
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did who were bewitched, as <HI>Paul</HI> &s;aith, &s;o that their latter end was wor&s;e than their beginning. For before a man joyn with truth, though he doth not believe it for the pre&s;ent, yet it is po&s;&s;ible he may be renewed in his minde, and come afterwards to believe and be &s;aved; but if any &s;hall profe&s;s truth, and rejoyce in it for a &s;ea&s;on, and afterwards fall away, it is impo&s;&s;ible for &s;uch an one to be renewed by repentance, as afore&s;aid; And this is your condi|tion, for you rejoyced in this Commi&s;&s;ion of the Spirit for a &s;ea&s;on, and did many good acts for us, which did manife&s;t that you had a love for this Declaration of <HI>John Reeve</HI> and my &s;elf, and yet after|wards to fall away from the belief of it, and not onely &s;o, but to &s;peak evil of us the Witne&s;&s;es of the Spirit, In that you &s;aid you knew <HI>John Reeve,</HI> and <HI>Lodowick Muggleton</HI> very well, and that we were the greate&s;t Deceivers that ever was, and that as &s;oon as ever you met with Truth, meaning the Quakers, then you for&s;ook us; the&s;e, with &s;uch like words, and more than I mention here, did you &s;ay, which is clear to me that you are not onely fallen from grace, but you have trampled the blood of the Covenant under foot, and counted it an unholy thing, even that whereby you &s;hould have been &s;anctified by faith; had you held out to the end, you &s;hould have been &s;aved by this Commi&s;&s;ion of the Spirit; for there is no &s;alvation under heaven to be found in the&s;e days, but in the belief of this Commi&s;&s;ion of the Spirit given of God to <HI>John Reeve</HI> and my &s;elf: for our Commi&s;&s;ion is as true as the Apo&s;tles Commi&s;&s;ion was at that time, and we as true Prophets as they were Apo&s;tles; &s;o that whoever &s;hall make a profe&s;&s;ion of this, and fall away after|wards, and &s;peak evil of that they once owned, I &s;ay they trample the blood of the Covenant under foot now, as they did in the Apo|&s;tles time, and do count that an unholy thing that &s;hould have gi|ven them the a&s;&s;urance of everla&s;ting life; but it is impo&s;&s;ible for &s;uch to return to the truth again. And this I mu&s;t tell you, a man cannot properly be &s;aid to fall away, but when men and women fall from a Commi&s;&s;ion; for we &s;ee many people fall oft from one profe&s;sion of Religion to another, as from Bapti&s;ts to Quakers, and Independents to Bapti&s;ts, and Quakers fall from that Principle to others, and &s;ome to Athei&s;m, yet this is not properly a falling away, becau&s;e there is no true Prophet or Mini&s;tery among&s;t them all, not in the whole world; &s;o that to my knowledge many hath fal|len
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from one thing to another, and at la&s;t have come to be &s;aved by this Commi&s;sion of the Spirit, and have had a&s;&s;urance of eternal life in them&s;elves, notwith&s;tanding their falling from &s;everal forms of wor&s;hip; but who ever falls from the Commi&s;sion of God, there can be no return again, neither can they po&s;sibly be &s;aved; there|fore thought it convenient to let you know what will be the ef|fects of your fall. I have been in this Commi&s;sion the&s;e &s;ixteen years, and I never knew but four per&s;ons that did fall which &s;eem|ed to own us, your &s;elf is one, and a Scotch woman, <HI>Alexander Hails</HI> his wife, &s;he fell to the Quakers as &s;oon as we were put in <HI>Newgate,</HI> for indeed &s;he was very poor, and we being in pri&s;on could not &s;upply her with loaves no longer, there being but very few that did believe at that time, &s;o &s;he did fall to the Quakers and for&s;ook us; for I &s;uppo&s;e the Quakers had more loaves among&s;t them, for they were many; for a loaf of bread was the greate&s;t religion &s;he had in her, for &s;he was for <HI>John Robins</HI> his people &s;o long as he could maintain them with the &s;tock he got from them, but when that was &s;pent, &s;he did fall from him and his people al&s;o. The third per&s;on was Mi&s;tre&s;s <HI>Langley,</HI> the fourth was <HI>John Hide</HI> Book|&s;eller; the&s;e all &s;eemed to own the doctrine of this Commi&s;sion of the Spirit, and pleaded much for it, and rejoyced for a &s;ea&s;on in it. This Mi&s;tre&s;s <HI>Langley</HI> did fall to the Quakers as you have done, but a woful effect did follow upon it, even di&s;tractedne&s;s of brain, a wa&s;ting of her e&s;tate, an endeavor to kill her &s;elf, a fugitive, and vagabond condition in this world, be&s;ides her damnation here|after.</P>
<P>Now I have &s;hewed you what a dangerous thing it is to fall from commi&s;&s;ionated men to non-commi&s;&s;ionated men, and what a dan|gerous thing it is for men or women to exerci&s;e the offices of prea|ching without a Commi&s;&s;ion from God, or from him whom God &s;ends; therefore I &s;hall &s;ay the&s;e words as followeth, I have heard of your being a Quaker the&s;e many years, &s;o I let you alone as to that, but of late I hear that you are a Speaker among the Quakers meetings, and that you knew <HI>John Reeve</HI> and my &s;elf, and did keep company with us, until you met with Truth, the Quakers princi|ple you call Truth; Al&s;o you &s;aid we were the greate&s;t Deceivers that ever was; and you &s;aid rather than you would return again unto us, you would go to the publick, and hear the Prie&s;ts of the
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Nation; the&s;e things I have weighed and con&s;idered, fir&s;t your re|volting and back-&s;liding from that you once rejoyced in: and &s;eI+condly, in that you have &s;inned again&s;t the holy Gho&s;t, and have contemptuou&s;ly &s;poken evil of the Commi&s;&s;ion of the Spirit, in calling it the greate&s;t Deceit that ever was, in this you have tram|pled the pure&s;t Truth that ever was, under your feet as an unholy thing, and as a &s;corn; Therefore for the&s;e things afore&s;aid, in o|bedience to my Commi&s;&s;ion from God, I do pronounce <HI>Sarah Coppin</HI> Quaker, cur&s;ed and damned both in &s;oul and body from the pre&s;ence of God, elect men, and Angels to eternity, and it will be a marvellous thing if you e&s;cape a fugitive and vagabond con|dition in this life, be&s;ides your damnation hereafter; for &s;ins of this nature hath commonly a double cur&s;e follow, as it did with Mi&s;tre&s;s <HI>Langley:</HI> I had no hatred in my heart to you at all in this thing, but in obedience to my Commi&s;&s;ion I have done this, that you might not go to hell in a &s;leep, but that you may know what it is to de&s;pi&s;e the la&s;t Me&s;&s;engers of the Spirit of God, and that the Age to come may &s;ee and read this Letter, and may fear to do as you have done.</P>
<TRAILER>I was informed of &s;ome of the&s;e things by one <HI>John Clark</HI> a Tanner, <DATE><HI>Feb.</HI> 14. 1667.</DATE></TRAILER>
<BYLINE>Written by <HI>Lodowick Muggleton,</HI> one of the two la&s;t Prophets and Witne&s;&s;es of the Spirit, unto the high and mighty God, the Man Chri&s;t Je&s;us in glory.</BYLINE>
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<HEAD>Another <HI>LETTER</HI> &s;ent to <HI>RICHARD CHAIR</HI> Quaker, as followeth.</HEAD>
<OPENER><SALUTE>Richard Chair,</SALUTE></OPENER>
<P>I Am informed by one <HI>Francis Newel</HI> that you have reported very ba&s;e lies of me in the temporal; and not only &s;o, but you have bla&s;phemed again&s;t the Holy Gho&s;t, as mo&s;t of you Quakers do, and that without a cau&s;e, for I do not remember I ever had any di&s;cour&s;e with you, nor no dealings with you, neither temporal, nor &s;piritual; neither do I know you if I &s;hould &s;ee you, and it is very like you do not know me if you &s;hould &s;ee me, yet notwith|&s;tanding you have reported that you knew me in <HI>Trinity-lane,</HI> and that I was a very cruel man to my &s;ervants, and would abu&s;e my Prentices, and further you will not believe but that I lived in <HI>Half-moon</HI> Court in <HI>Bow-lane,</HI> which things are all fal&s;e; for I never lived in <HI>Half-moon</HI> Court in my life, neither was I ever cruel to my &s;er|vants; cruelty was always contrary to my natural temper, therefore the neighbors that lived by me &amp; in my hou&s;e will &s;ay I was one of the patiente&s;t men to my children and &s;ervants upon the earth, though none of tho&s;e neighbors, nor tho&s;e that lived in my hou&s;e, did love my principle, or Religion, nor my commi&s;&s;ion they could not abide; neither did any of them believe <HI>John Reeve</HI> nor me, yet as to that you accu&s;e me of, they will ju&s;tifie it to be fal&s;e. I under&s;tand you was prentice with Ma&s;ter <HI>Farmer</HI> the Smith, I knew your Ma|&s;ter very well, his &s;ervants did things for me &s;ometimes, it may be you being his &s;ervant you might do it, and I not know you, but you might know me in that regard; but I &s;uppo&s;e you mi&s;took the man, to &s;ay I was cruel to my &s;ervants: it was one <HI>Richard Drew</HI> one of the &s;eed of the &s;erpent as your &s;elf is, that was cruel to his prentices, he would beat and abu&s;e one boy he had mo&s;t &s;adly to my knowledge, for this <HI>Richard Drew</HI> lived in my hou&s;e at that time, when that boy was abu&s;ed, and afterwards this &s;aid <HI>Richard Drew</HI> lived in <HI>Half-moon</HI> Court ever &s;ince till the fire in <HI>London,</HI> and this is about twenty years ago &s;ince he lived in my hou&s;e, and if this will not &s;top your lying tongue, nor convince you of your lies as to
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that, you may go on with it &s;till, for your &s;landers are not the fir&s;t, nor the greate&s;t that hath bin laid upon me by you Quakers: but knowing my own innocency, I am never moved at &s;uch &s;landers in the temporal; for if one man tells a lye of me, another man, though he be my enemie, yet he will ju&s;tifie the truth on my &s;ide in things that are moral, for &s;uch things are ea&s;ily decided and made manife&s;t here in this world, &s;o that I am not offended with you for your lies and &s;landers you have reported of me in the&s;e things as afore&s;aid: but I have a greater charge again&s;t you then this, even the &s;in again the Holy Gho&s;t, that unpardonable &s;in, I can bear with any &s;landers and lies in the temporal, but with bla&s;phemy again&s;t the Holy Spirit that &s;ent me I cannot, nor &s;hall not bear with it; for it is reported to me by the party afore&s;aid, that you <HI>Richard Chair</HI> hath bin very wrath and angry with me a long time, in &s;o much that you have called me a bla&s;phemer, and the doctrine de|clared by me bla&s;phemy, you have called me a Decever, a Lier, the&s;e things you have done &s;everal times, with many other wicked envious &s;peeches; al&s;o you have in a &s;coffing manner asked the party afore&s;aid, if I did damn folks apace, and lately you asked the &s;ame party how many <HI>Muggleton</HI> had damned this week? doth not all the&s;e things &s;hew unto me clearly that you are of the &s;eed of the Serpent, and of the reprobat &s;eed appointed to be damned, and is it not great pitty that &s;uch a bla&s;pheming devil &s;hould e&s;cape the Sentence of damnation &s;o long as you have? for you have reigned in your bla&s;phemy again&s;t the Holy Spirit that &s;ent me a great while; but as the &s;aying is, when your &s;in is at the height then you mu&s;t be damned, ju&s;t as the Judges doe with thieves that have e&s;caped hanging &s;everal times, yet the thief continuing &s;till in the &s;ame practice, the Judge &s;aith, you had as good hang this man out of the way, for he will never be better, &s;o the man is hanged; and when he is condemned to be hanged his &s;ins may be &s;aid to be at the full, or at the height, &s;o is it with you <HI>Richard Chair,</HI> your &s;in of bla&s;phemy again&s;t the Holy Gho&s;t is at the full, for you have committed that &s;in very oft, &s;o that it is high time to give the &s;entence of eternal damnation upon you, for you will never be good; for you being the &s;eed of the Serpent you cannot bring forth better fruits then bla&s;pemy, lies, and &s;landers again&s;t the Me&s;|&s;enger of the mo&s;t high God, the man Chri&s;t Je&s;us in glory.</P>
<P><PB N="96" REF="53">The&s;e things afore&s;aid con&s;idered, by vertue of my commi&s;&s;ion from God, I do for the&s;e bla&s;phemies again&s;t the Holy Gho&s;t I do pronounce <HI>Richard Chair</HI> Quaker cur&s;ed and damned both in &s;oul and body from the pre&s;ence of God, elect men, and Angels, to eternity, and do you now &s;ee if you can &s;coffe this &s;entence off you again; no it &s;hall cleave as clo&s;e to you as your skin to your fle&s;h, and you &s;hall know that the mo&s;t High hath given power unto a mortal man like your &s;elf to give &s;entence of eternal damnation upon you both body and &s;oul; and now you may apply your &s;elf to <HI>George Fox</HI> the Quaker, and &s;ee if he or the light within you, can deliver you from what I have &s;aid; for when I do write an an&s;wer to <HI>Fox</HI> his ignorant Pamphlet again&s;t me, I &s;hall record you and he, and others in that an&s;wer for a company of damned Quakers; for this Sentence of yours &s;hall be recorded to remain from genera|tion to generation, &s;o long as the Sun and Moon indureth.</P>
<TRAILER>The Copy of a Letter &s;ent to <HI>Richard Chair</HI> Quaker, a Smith by trade in <HI>Shoreditch.</HI> <DATE><HI>Sept.</HI> the 26. 1667.</DATE></TRAILER>
<BYLINE>Written by <HI>Lodwick Muggleton,</HI> one of the two la&s;t Prophets and Witne&s;&s;es of the Spirit unto the high and mighty God the Man Chri&s;t Je&s;us in Glory.</BYLINE>
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