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<P>TWO SPEECHES DELIVERED IN PARLIAMENT. THE ONE, By Ma&s;ter <HI>PYM,</HI> the 17^t^h. of <HI>March. THE OTHER,</HI> By Ma&s;ter <HI>HOLLIS</HI> the 21. <HI>Both worthy Members of the Hou&s;e of</HI> COMMONS.</P>
<P>WHEREIN, They de&s;ire a &s;peedy cour&s;e to be taken for recti|fying of grievances, and puni&s;hing enormous crimes in this Kingdome: As al&s;o, the bringing of the ATTVRNEY-Generall to his ANSVVER.</P>
<P>LONDON. Printed for <HI>Andrew Coe,</HI> and <HI>Marmaduke Boat.</HI> 1642.</P>
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<HEAD>The Speech delivered by M^r. <HI>Hollis</HI> one of the Members of the Hou&s;e of Commons, now conjoyned in PARLIAMENT.</HEAD>
<HEAD TYPE="sub">VVith his Arguments again&s;t Ma&s;ter <HI>Harbert</HI> His Ma|je&s;ties Atturney Generall, for drawing the Articles of high Trea&s;on again&s;t him&s;elf, and the other five Members of the &s;aid Hou&s;e.</HEAD>
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<OPENER><SALUTE>Mr. <HI>Speaker,</HI></SALUTE></OPENER>
<P>THe &s;ubtlety, policie, and dubious wayes, bearing rule in a man corrupted, who&s;e evill actions come within the compa&s;&s;e, and ju&s;tly claim the due reward of exem|plary puni&s;hment, is alwayes working; although by the de&s;truction and utter delabition of the vertuous, and inno|nocent (who&s;e words and works, actions and endeavors, can be termed to lay holds on nothing but realties) to cleer him|&s;elf: The actions, conditions, and endeavours of the good man, being alwayes the contrary, there being no vici&s;&s;itude or coherence with them, in re&s;pect they are meer oppo&s;ites, the one &s;eeking to perform duty both to God and man, through his true dealing for the truth, the other &s;eeking what in him lyeth, for the advancing of impiety: The good man joyning with his practi&s;e, is daily labours for the defence of vertuous and pious de&s;ignes, thereby &s;eeking with vigilancie to bring the malig|nant per&s;ons to de&s;erved puni&s;hments, it being a work, which in con&s;cience is due both to God, his King, and Country.</P>
<P>Fir&s;t, To God in re&s;pect of Religion, and the true and reall Faith we now profe&s;&s;e in the Church of <HI>England,</HI> without which we are nothing, being no le&s;&s;e then meer Atomes to the World, and the ju&s;t Antipodes to a ground Faith. No faith can &s;tand without that true Foundation of Chri&s;t, no grounds of &s;alva|tion can be had, but by and through tho&s;e extraordinary merits
<PB REF="3">and &s;ufferings, which we are partakers of in Chri&s;t: if &s;o, then does our Saviour da<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="UOM" EXTENT="3 letters"> &s;uffer in the in&s;tigations, and quo<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="UOM" EXTENT="2 letters"> all provo<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="UOM" EXTENT="1+ letters"> again&s;t him all which are vi<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="UOM" EXTENT="2 letters">ated by tho&s;e who are many <GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="UOM" EXTENT="1 letter">mal g<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="UOM" EXTENT="2 letters">n<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="UOM" EXTENT="1 letter">s to the truth.</P>
<P>Secondly, To the King, what greater abu&s;e can there be to His Sacred Maje&s;ty then by the continuall &s;ufferance, the Sub|ject, endures through the ill Coun&s;ell admini&s;tred to our Sove|raign, being done under the colour of Loyaltie; yet in proving in matter, no better then flat abu&s;es to this whole Kingdom.</P>
<P>Thirdly, If that God and the King, &s;o much &s;uffer by the afore&s;aid means, the poor Subject and Country can do no le&s;&s;e; witne&s;&s;e the daily di&s;turbances which are now a dayes, being &s;o many, that there is no County almo&s;t within his Maje&s;ties Do|minions, but hath delivered their humble petitions to this Ho|nourable A&s;&s;embly, for removall of the &s;aid grievances and the depriving of the afore&s;aid per&s;ons of their u&s;urped authority.</P>
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<OPENER><SALUTE>Mr. <HI>Speaker,</HI></SALUTE></OPENER>
<P>IT is palpable that the wicked man, cares not though he di&s;|honours God in the highe&s;t degree, may he but defend him|&s;elf and vices, though to the utter aboli&s;hing of Religion, King, and Country, (afore&s;aid) if oppo&s;ite to his de&s;ignes.</P>
<P>We have had the experience of the evils and great troubles that have been rai&s;ed in this State by ill in&s;truments, men of power and authoritie in the &s;ame, and not only of publike mi&s;|doers and open enemies, but al&s;o of many privare draffected &s;pirits, who&s;e outward carriage hath procured to them&s;elves e&s;teem and re&s;pect in their County. Nay, &s;o well have they bin approved on, that their Countrey hath not mi&s;led them, with both their e&s;tates and priviledges, as electing them Members of this high Court of Parliament; wherein al&s;o for a long time, they have di&s;charged their duties to their King and Countrey; nay, and attained the general e&s;timation and re&s;pect of all men, as worthy members of the Commonwealth; but their hearts di&s;agreeing with their outward qualities, being not upright and perfect, have at lea&s;t &s;hewed them&s;elves in their perfect colours, and brought them-&s;elves to &s;hame and di&s;honour.</P>
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<OPENER><SALUTE>Mr. <HI>Speaker,</HI></SALUTE></OPENER>
<P>I Have further to &s;poken of nothing but generals <GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="UOM" EXTENT="1 letter">ow I intend to in&s;i&s;t upon a per<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="UOM" EXTENT="4 letters">ar, being the Gentleman, who as yet &s;tands <GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="UOM" EXTENT="1 word"> by this Honorable Hou&s;e, His Maje&s;ties Artur|ney General, who hath bin a man, upon whom all the&s;e Honors aforenamed, have bin couferred in the Parliament, and no le&s;te e&s;teemed by His Maje&s;ty; his place therein being &s;ufficiently honourable, he needed not to have proceeded &s;o far as to prove ambitious, or malitious; which of the two I can nominate, nor am able to di&s;tingui&s;h, was his error, or whether he is guilty of both; how ever, it does appear, his heart was not right in di&s;|charging his duty in that great place committed to him; and as he was a Member of the Parliament, had he bin faithfull to his King and Country, he had never undertaken this Enterpri&s;e to accu&s;e us of trea&s;on, and draw the accu&s;ation again&s;t us him|&s;elf for which we have already, &amp; further are bound to an&s;wer.</P>
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<OPENER><SALUTE>Mr. <HI>Speaker,</HI></SALUTE></OPENER>
<P>HIs offence is of a high nature, of dangerous con&s;equence, a mani&s;elt Breach of the Priviledges of Parliament, an ap|parent treachery (if found to rely upon him) again&s;t tho&s;e ac|cu&s;ed Members, of which I am the lea&s;t, yet moved to &s;peak in the Cau&s;e, The offence is generally again&s;t the whole State, de|&s;erving great puni&s;hment for the fame.</P>
<P>By this he hath made him&s;elf guilty of tho&s;e mi&s;demeanours, that other Delinquents have bin impeached, and accu&s;ed for, and nothing inferiour to them in their crime. This de&s;ign was a great offence (if by him advi&s;ed) again&s;t His &s;acred Maje&s;ty him&s;elf, in &s;eeking to work an evill opinion in him concerning his Parliament, and their proceedings in the great affairs, of both Church and State. This is the matter that di&s;courages this Hononrable A&s;&s;embly in proceeding in &s;uch bu&s;ine&s;&s;es, as may be for the honour of their King and Country; when they per|ceive that all their endeavours; and dutifull actions, are not wel accepted by his Maje&s;ty, This and &s;uch like ill Councells hath cau&s;ed all this di&s;traction in the State.</P>
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<OPENER><SALUTE>Mr. <HI>Speaker,</HI></SALUTE></OPENER>
<P>THe Charge is apparent again&s;t him, the accu&s;ation is appa|rent before (as though void;) therefore I in behalf of
<PB REF="4">the re&s;t of the Members, mo&s;t humbly de&s;ire you would pro|ceed to voting him upon the &s;ame, as he &s;hall be found guilty, and his reward may be contributed for the &s;ame: I for my part have performed my promi&s;e to tho&s;e other Members accu&s;ed, in moving you in the bu&s;ine&s;&s;e; To who&s;e con&s;ideration I now leave it, as being be&s;t able to determine of a matter of &s;o great weight.</P>
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<HEAD>Ma&s;ter <HI>Pyms</HI> Speech, the 17. of <HI>March,</HI> 1641.</HEAD>
<OPENER><SALUTE>Mr. Speaker,</SALUTE></OPENER>
<P>THis great Councell, as <HI>Tully</HI> &s;aid of the Senate of <HI>Rome,</HI> is the &s;oul of the Common-wealth, wherin one may hear and &s;ee, all the grievances of the Subjects, and in the multitude of &s;uch Coun&s;ellors there is &s;afety. Among&s;t whom, the greate&s;t priviledge is liberty of Speech; And theffore I humbly offer it unto you, to take it into your &s;erious con&s;ideration, whatwrong hath bin done herein, and what judgments hath bin again&s;t the Members of this hou&s;e, for &s;peaking nothing, but what hath bin for the good of the Common-wealth, which &s;aid judgments hath bin again&s;t Law and Rea&s;on, being without pre&s;ident.</P>
<P>What grounds are there, that a Parliament which is the high|e&s;t of all Courts, &s;hould be que&s;tioned by inferiour Courts and Judges; as if the Common-Pleas &s;hould que&s;tion the Kings-Bench, or the Chancery be que&s;tioned by either of them; per|haps the Authors of it have nature to plead for themfelves, which indeed teacheth every man to pre&s;erve him&s;elf.</P>
<P>This perhaps makes them advance that, and tho&s;e Members which otherwi&s;e mu&s;t condemn them&s;elves; &amp; &s;uch things have bin done to maintain their proceedings; as not only to intrengh upon the liberties of Parliament; but al&s;o the whole Common|wealth, wherein I had rather &s;uffer for &s;peaking the truth, then the truth &s;uffer for want of my &s;peaking.</P>
<P>Where was evermore piety in a Prince, and more loyalty in Subjects; and yet what Common-wealth ever &s;uffered like this? His Maje&s;ty is the Sun, which although it ever &s;hine in it &s;elf gloriou&s;ly, yet by rea&s;on of clouds, it many times doth not &s;o
<PB REF="4">appear to us; and if his Maje&s;ty by rea&s;on of bad members, may not appear in &s;uch &s;plendor: let us labour to Eclip&s;e tho&s;e Clouds, that endeavor to &s;tand betwixt us, and the Beams of his favour; otherwi&s;e what will it avail if the Fountain be cleer, if the &s;treams that i&s;&s;ue there from be not &s;o: al&s;o I will only in|&s;tance in &s;ome of the like particulars.</P>
<P>If we look into the face of Religion, that is now out-faced by a Company of Seminary Prie&s;ts, who what they want in power, have in malice again&s;t the Prote&s;tant; So long as the Pope his agents among&s;t us: But the&s;e are the enemies of the Church, without it; we have tho&s;e likewi&s;e within the Church, who can pull down, but never build up, demoli&s;h, but never e|&s;tabli&s;h the true Church: Such are tho&s;e whom we rearm <HI>Non-Re&s;idents,</HI> that &s;erve the Church more for living then loving; &s;uch as over&s;way all by worldly preferments, and feveralities of Benefices: Chri&s;t made it the Touch&s;tone of <HI>Peters</HI> love un|to him, to feed his &s;heep and Lambs, but the&s;e men look at their own private gains, not labouring duplicately for tho&s;e double honours which they daily get.</P>
<P>What thing is there more again&s;t the Laws of this King and nature, then for one man to have above one wife, and one &s;heepheard more then one &s;heepfold.</P>
<P>The&s;e are the dumb dogs the Prophet &s;peaks on, that can|not utter a word for God, of whom the people may &s;eek &s;piri|tuall food, but can find none. Others there are that preach, but not the Go&s;pel, but them&s;elves; teaching that the King hath an unlimited power, and that the Subject hath no propriety in their goods.</P>
<P>The&s;e are bad <HI>Divines,</HI> and wor&s;e and more ignorant <HI>State&s;|men,</HI> who under the name of <HI>Puritans</HI> condemn all, who truly profe&s;&s;e Religion. There are &s;urely many that under the forme of godline&s;&s;e cloak impiety; but to teach that a man can be too holy, is the Doctrine of Divels.</P>
<P>The inconveniences like to come, and already fallen upon the Kingdome, may be ju&s;tly &s;aid to ari&s;e from the&s;e &s;everall Heads of ill Councels;</P>
<P N="1">1. Such as tho&s;e are the mo&s;t pernicious dangers that can fall upon us or come to a State. It is u&s;uall in this kind to com|pare Politique bodies with the naturall: The Naturall body is
<PB REF="5">endangered divers wait, either by outward violence, which may be &s;een and pr<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="UOM" EXTENT="1 letter">vented, or by le&s;&s;e appearing malidies, which growes upon the body by the di&s;temper of the aire, im|moderate exerci&s;e or diet, &amp;c And when the cau&s;es of the di&s;ea&s;e are clear, the remedy is ea&s;ily applyed: But d<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="UOM" EXTENT="1 letter">&s;ea&s;es which pro|ceed from the inward p<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="UOM" EXTENT="1 letter">rt, as the liver, the heart, or the brain, it is a hard thing to apply an apt cure to &s;uch di&s;ea&s;es; the Coun|&s;els are of this &s;ame nature, for the mi&s;chiefs that come by &s;uch Coun&s;els, corrupt the vitall parts, and overthrowes the admini|&s;tration of publique government.</P>
<P N="2">2. That there are &s;uch ill Coun&s;els about the Kings mo&s;t excellent Maje&s;ty, mo&s;t palpably appears, when as the main cour&s;e of government hath bin &s;o imployed; as Popery therby hath bin rather maintained then excluded the Laws &s;ubverted, and no d<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="UOM" EXTENT="1 letter">&s;t<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="UOM" EXTENT="1 letter">n<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="UOM" EXTENT="2 letters"> on between Ju&s;tice, and Inju&s;tice: and that there is &s;till rea&s;on to doubt, is apparent by cour&s;es taken, to advance mi&s;chievous de&s;igns; but that his Maje&s;ties wi&s;edome and good|ne&s;&s;e kept them f<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="UOM" EXTENT="1 letter">om the heart, though they could not be kept out of the Court.</P>
<P N="3">3. The ill Coun&s;els of the&s;e times are in their own, not ours, more mi&s;chievous and more dangerous then the ill Coun&s;els of former times: Tho&s;e being only to plea&s;e the King &amp; Prince, and to rai&s;e Prerogatives the&s;e being mi&s;eries &s;ufficient: But the ill Coun&s;els of the&s;e times are to alter Religion and Law.</P>
<P N="4">4. That the&s;e ill coun&s;els have proceeded from a &s;pirit and inclination to Popery, and have had a dependency on Popery. The Religion of the Papi&s;ts is a Religion incomputable to any other Re<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="UOM" EXTENT="1 letter">igion, de&s;tructive to all others and who&s;oever doth with&s;tand their Religion, (if it lye in their power) they bring them to ruine; the&s;e coun&s;els therfore mu&s;t needs be pernitious.</P>
<P N="5">5. Fifthly and La&s;tly, while the&s;e evill Councels continue unchanged, it is impo&s;&s;ible that any a&s;&s;i&s;tance, aide, or advice, that the Parliament &s;hall take to reform, will be effectuall for the publike: We that are the in&s;truments of State, may put things in action and good order; but as long as the&s;e evill Councels are on foot, we can expect no good event: Where|fore I &s;hall de&s;ire this Judicious A&s;&s;embly to con&s;ider of it, And I that have di&s;charged my duty in motioning, &s;hall like|wi&s;e joyn with you for the effecting of all things for the good of this Kingdom.</P>
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