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<HEAD>Peace, and No Peace: Or, A Plea&s;ant Dialogue Betweene <HI>Phil-eirenus,</HI> A Prote&s;tant, <HI>A lover of Peace.</HI> And <HI>Philo Polemus,</HI> A Separati&s;t, <HI>An Incendiary of War,</HI> Sutable to the times.</HEAD>
<BYLINE>By <HI>R<GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="1 letter">chard Williams.</HI> Ma&s;ter in Arts of the famous Univer&s;ity of <HI>Cambridge,</HI> and Preacher in <HI>London</HI> at Saint <HI>Martins Vintrey.</HI></BYLINE>
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<Q><BIBL>P&s;al 123 6,7.</BIBL> <P>Oh pray for the <GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="1 letter">eace of <HI>Ieru&s;alem,</HI> they &s;hall pro&s;per that love thee. Peace be with<GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="1 letter">n thy wa<GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="2 letters"> and plenteou&s;<GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="1 letter">e&s;&s;e within thy Palaces, <HI>&s;aith Phil-eirenus.</HI></P></Q>
<Q><BIBL>P&s;al. 48.22.</BIBL> <P>No peace &s;aith my God to the wicked, <HI>&s;aith Philo-Polemus</HI></P></Q>
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<SPEAKER><HI>Phil-eirenus</HI> begins.</SPEAKER>
<P>_WEll met good brother <HI>Philo-Polemus,</HI> you are very early here this mor|ning, you looke very cheerfully! Me thinks the alacrity of your coun|tenance divines &s;ome &s;udden Accomodation between the King and His Parliament. What newes at <HI>We&s;tmin&s;ter, Is it Peace?</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>Phil-Pol.</SPEAKER>
<P>I &s;aw indeed a pretended Petition for Peace (this day) with great ac|clamations pre&s;ented to the High Court of Parliament by the <HI>City Cavellero<GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="1 chunk"></HI> deceiving and deluding many Orthodox Schi&s;maticks, fo&s;tered &amp; countenanced by a company of up&s;tart malignants, that never contributed any thing to the Par|liament, but have been aver&s;e to all proceedings: And becau&s;e the wi&s;edome of the Parliament had agreed upon an Order for the &s;e&s;&s;ing of the twentieth part of every mans e&s;tate towards the charge of this war, the&s;e malignants therefore (ha|ving no re&s;olution to ruine them&s;elves) have rai&s;ed a party within the City among them&s;elves, that &s;o they might &s;ave their e&s;tates, and contribute nothing to the
<PB REF="2">publicke weale: that although there may be &s;omething compri&s;ed in the petition, hat (in the&s;e di&s;tracted times) may be tollerable; yet in that it proceeded from the Academicke malignants at <HI>Oxford,</HI> even that alone is &s;ufficient to make it con|temptible.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Phil-eirenus.</SPEAKER>
<P>Thou &s;eeme&s;t to me [<HI>Brother Philo-Polemus</HI>] to be too cen&s;o|rious and prejudicate of the actions and intentions of other men. What though the religious, loyall, and true-hearted Prote&s;tants, in and about the Cities of <HI>Lon|don</HI> and <HI>We&s;t min&s;ter</HI> (in the&s;e deplorable times) have petitioned for an accommo|dation of peace, does it follow therefore that they are malignants? Nothing le&s;&s;e: For if you rightly under&s;tand the terme [Malignant] you &s;hall ea&s;ily find that it fetches its derivation from <HI>malus</HI> and <HI>ignis,</HI> an evill fire; &s;o that Malignant and In|cendiary &s;eeme to co-incide in one, as twins borne at one conception, &s;peaking one and the &s;elfe &s;ame thing: it mu&s;t of nece&s;&s;ity therefore be granted, that the God of peace having de&s;cended into our hearts, which moved us to carry the pe|tition for peace in our hands hoping ere long (by the propitiou&s;ne&s;&s;e of Heaven) to bring the Olive-branch of peace in our mouthes [the long wi&s;hed for accom|modation between our gracious King and his grave Senate] that we are cleate from that &s;candalous and malicious a&s;per&s;ion of Malignants or &s;ncendiaries, broa|ched by tho&s;e who wi&s;h ill to Syon, that are profe&s;&s;ed enemies to the peace and tranquillity of our Jeru&s;alem, that aime at nothing more then the overture and &s;ubver&s;ion of the whole&s;ome Doctrine and di&s;cipline of the Church, and the finall extermination of a quiet and peaceable government from the very bounds and borders of the kingdome, &s;ayling from the calme Ocean, the &s;till waters, the Chry&s;tall &s;treames of the &s;acred and eternall Word of God, &s;o long profe&s;&s;ed and maintained by the Prote&s;tant Tenets, expo&s;ing them&s;elves to the dangerous &s;helves of &s;chi&s;me and &s;edition, da&s;hing upon the rocke of their owne pride and pre&s;umption, being to&s;&s;ed up and downe with the variable wind of every aery doctrine, and delighting to plunge them&s;elves in the troubled waters of &s;chi&s;mati|call perturbations. Let &s;uch perverters and di&s;turbers of the peace as the&s;e, be branded on their fore-heads with the ignominious name of [Malignants] to po|&s;terity; may the di&s;tempers that they are hatching in the publicke weale be reta|liated in a perpetuall di&s;traction upon them&s;elves; may the mi&s;chiefe they con|trive again&s;t the Lord and his Anointed fall upon their owne pates; may they be Vagabonds upon the face of the earth, and let God &s;catter the people that delight in war.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Philo-Pol.</SPEAKER>
<P>Patience a while [<HI>Good brother Phil-eirenus</HI>] you &s;eeme to taxe me of too much cen&s;oriou&s;ne&s;&s;e (I &s;uddenly giving up my verdict upon the actions of other men) and you your &s;elfe fall to execrations; the remedy proves wor&s;e then the di&s;ea&s;e, your admonitions are turned into <HI>Anathema's;</HI> you &s;eeme to reprove me of one errour, being guilty of a greater: But (waving tho&s;e cur&s;ed execrations,
<PB REF="2">as not having any reference to us, or any of the brethren, (who are the onely elect and cho&s;en people of God) I mu&s;t tell you (brother) you have over&s;lipt the maine force and binge whereupon the &s;trength of the Argument turnes, <HI>viz.</HI> The petiti|oners for peace mu&s;t of nece&s;&s;ity be very malignant, becau&s;e their factious and &s;e|ditious Petition was fir&s;t drawne up at <HI>Oxford,</HI> the contagion of who&s;e malignan|cie is &s;pread five miles about the Univer&s;ity, where ere the Cavalieroes foame out their infection breath, this Petition was &s;ent hither to breed di&s;traction in the City, and fo&s;tered by a company of malignants that never contributed any thing to the Parliament for the maintenance of the Cau&s;e, but have been aver&s;e to all proceedings.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Phil-eir.</SPEAKER>
<P>Not too ha&s;ty [<HI>Good brother Philo-Polemus</HI>] let no ra&s;h or unadvi&s;ed imputation be ca&s;t upon that famous Univer&s;ity; it is not the place that makes the thing malignant, but the thing the place; for there is no place &s;o good, but it may participate of evill, and there is no place &s;o evill, but &s;ome good may proceed from it. Shall I contemne a re&s;plendent Diademe, becau&s;e happily it may be ca&s;t upon the ground? Shall I &s;corne a tran&s;parent Diamond, becau&s;e I find it in a con|temptible dunghill? Shall I make no e&s;timat of mo&s;t precious and Orientall Gold, becau&s;e it was raked out of a miry and loth&s;ome channell? Wee'le grant, the foun|taines may be corrupted, the Univer&s;ities them&s;elves &s;tained with Arminiani&s;me, and other erroneous Principles (being fallen from their Originall Purity) yet &s;hall there no good thing come out of <HI>Nazareth?</HI> Or &s;hall that which is the ravi&s;hing joy of Angels, the &s;weet con&s;ociation of men, the in&s;eparable glew that &s;ettles and unites States and Kingdomes in the firme conjunction and bond of peace, be counted contemptible, becau&s;e it fetches it's Originall from an Univer&s;ity? No|thing more ridiculous! I have ob&s;erved the Bees gathering honey from Hem|locke, Hellebore, mo&s;t venomous and poy&s;onous herbs. I have knowne an Alcu|mi&s;t extract &s;ome precious di&s;tillation from the ba&s;e&s;t minerals: And it is the ob|&s;ervation of Philo&s;ophers, that the pure&s;t gold is mo&s;t abundant, that growes in a barren and unfruitfull &s;oyle: For my part, I am &s;o far from conceiving, that the greate&s;t good may not be extracted from the greate&s;t evill, that I would willingly embrace whol&s;ome admonition, though it were fecht from the bottomle&s;&s;e pit of hell; But I know (brother) what makes your rancour &s;well, 'tis the very name of an Univer&s;ity then which nothing among&s;t the vulgar is more contemptible; as the &s;aying goes, <HI>Scientia non habet inimicum, ni&s;i ignorantem,</HI> Knowledge hath no greater enemy then ignorance, there &s;eemes to be a mortall enmity, a &s;ecret anti|pathy, between the &s;ublime knowledge of a well grounded Academian, and the incomparable ignorance of a mechanicke Divine: &s;o then were there nothing more di&s;ta&s;tefull in the petition of peace, then that it proceeded from the Univer|&s;ity, I perceive you would like it well, it were dangerous to fo&s;ter it here in the City, away with it, 'tis infected with learning.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Philo-Pol.</SPEAKER>
<P>Truly [<HI>Brother Phil-eirenus</HI>] 'tis confe&s;t what you have a leadged is very materiall: For we having &s;uch an illumination of the &s;pirit, and that in an abundant manner, have we any rea&s;on then (except it be in the &s;ociety of wo|men) to de&s;cend to carnall knowledge? Being carryed by the &s;pirit into the wil|derne&s;&s;e of Prayer, is there any &s;ence we &s;hould confine our &s;elves to an Univer|&s;ity Petition? Be&s;ides, what congruity or agreement can there be between light and darkne&s;&s;e, between Chri&s;t and Belial, between a con&s;tant Separati&s;t, and a back&s;liding Prote&s;tant? What peace (alas) can be expected, while&s;t the whore|dome of the Romi&s;h Church is yet di&s;pen&s;ed withall among&s;t us?</P>
<P>The prophane Lyturgy &s;till babled out by the P. of Baal?</P>
<P>The conjuration of the Letany, by the Magicke of infernall Doctors, &s;till tor|menting us?</P>
<P>The abominable Idolatry of the Cro&s;&s;e in Bapti&s;me, &s;till afflicting us?</P>
<P>Nay, the Lords Prayer it &s;elfe (notwith&s;tanding the extemporary &s;upplications that are compo&s;ed by the help of the &s;pirit) frequently u&s;ed (by the Canturburian Ma&s;&s;e-prie&s;ts) in mo&s;t A&s;&s;emblies.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Phil eir.</SPEAKER>
<P>Wherein <HI>(Brother Philo-Polemus)</HI> doe&s;t thou conceive the whore|dome of the Romi&s;h Church principally con&s;i&s;ts, which you &s;ay is as yet di&s;pen|ced withall among&s;t us.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Philo-Pol.</SPEAKER>
<P>In this e&s;pecially, that the Prelaticall party (notwith&s;tanding the&s;e times of through Reformation) &s;till retaine in their Synagogues that prophane cu|&s;tome of wearing &s;urplices, which (indeed) are nothing el&s;e but the remnants of Idolatry, the rags of &s;uper&s;tition; and (as my wife very learnedly and zealou&s;ly opened the ca&s;e unto me the la&s;t night) they may ju&s;tly be called the contamina|ted &s;mocks of the Romi&s;h whore.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Phil-eir.</SPEAKER>
<P>Herein thou art mi&s;taken <HI>(Sweet Brother)</HI> For our Mini&s;ters weare them not as the rags of Idolatry, but as the Robes of Sanctification; and if you rightly under&s;tand that place of the <HI>Revelations,</HI> that the Saints are &s;aid to be clo|thed in white garments, you mu&s;t of nece&s;&s;ity conclude, that it is very commen|dable for the Clergy to weare the white ve&s;tments of purity in the Church Mili|tant here, that they may be inve&s;ted with the &s;hining robes of glory in the Church triumphant hereafter.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Philo-Pol.</SPEAKER>
<P>You &s;peake &s;o much out of rea&s;on <HI>(Good Brother Phil-eierenus)</HI> that I have neither &s;ence nor rea&s;on to beleeve what you &s;ay; for we worke by faith, not by &s;ight; Away then with all Academicke Divines, tho&s;e Mercurials of Reli|gion, that &s;tand condemned of the high Trea&s;on of Learning, that &s;tand upon Phi|lo&s;ophicall ob&s;ervations, Logicall conclu&s;ions, rea&s;on, &s;ence, and I know not what; As if the Dictates of Rea&s;on the Demon&s;tration of &s;en&s;e, or &s;uch like di&s;tractions, were &s;urable to piety and divine Illuminations. We are bound in con&s;cience (in an holy zeale) to &s;peake in outragious &s;pleene again&s;t the Lyturgy of the
<PB REF="3">Church, which is generally condemned, even by our mo&s;t per&s;picuous, &s;age and Orthodox Corch-men, feeling Pelt-makers, and upright Chimney-&s;weepers: Nay, it is growne contemptible to our feminine Divines, who&s;e &s;quinting eyes are &s;cornfully turned another way, as not daring to looke upon &s;uch prophane|ne&s;&s;e. It is a Papani&s;h and Mi&s;crean terme, I would &s;ooner endure the Alcoron among&s;t the Turks, then the Liturgy among&s;t Chri&s;tians, it is a difficult word, and in my &s;hallow apprehen&s;ion, either Greeke, or Latine, or both: you are a good lin|gui&s;t (brother) let us heare your opinion.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Phil-eire.</SPEAKER>
<P>It is a word compo&s;ed of both, and if you rightly under&s;tood it (<HI>deare Brother Philo-Polemus</HI>) you would a atedomething of your cen&s;ure, the Li|turgy is a word compounded of <HI>Li<GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="1 letter"></HI> a Latine word, which &s;ignifieth &s;trife, and <HI><GAP DESC="foreign"></HI> a Greeke word, which &s;ignifieth a worke, put them together, and you &s;hall find Liturgy to be nothing el&s;e but <HI><GAP DESC="foreign"> Lit<GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="2 letters">, A worke of strife or contextion.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>Philo-Pol.</SPEAKER>
<P>Wretched man! that have been brought up in ignorance all my time; had I knowne the Liturgy had been interpreted, <HI>A worke of &s;trife and divi|&s;ior,</HI> I &s;hould willingly have embraced it long before; for I (with the re&s;t of my Brethren of Am&s;terdam) love, like the <GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="1 word"> called Scolopendra, to &s;wim up and downe in troubled waters and Salamander-like delight to live in the fire of con|tention: well (Liturgy) for thy works &s;ake) I &s;hall have the better opinion of thee hereafter. Goe and pro&s;per.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Phil-eire.</SPEAKER>
<P>Well then, avoiding this Liturgy, as a thing whereof we are ab&s;o|lutely ignorant, uncapable, and undeferving; Let the Letany &s;peake for it &s;elfe, me thinks you &s;eeme to lay an imputation upon that, while&s;t you call it, <HI>The conjura|tion of the Letany, by the magicke of infernall Doctors &s;till tormenting us?</HI> What di|&s;tractions there? What di&s;turbance of the publicke Peace?</P>
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<SPEAKER>Phil-Pol.</SPEAKER>
<P>Me thinks <HI>(Brother Phil-eirenus)</HI> I heare &s;ome hideous noi&s;e in the ayre, the violence whereof offendeth my cha&s;te eares, like a clap of thunder that breaks through the clouds, or that dreadfull roaring of Lyons from their dens, or rather the bellowing of the Buls of Ba&s;an, when I heare them roaring aloud in <HI>We&s;tmin&s;ter,</HI> and other Cathedrals (though <HI>Pauls</HI> by the wi&s;edome of the now Lord Maior is &s;hut up for feare of further infection) in tho&s;e conjuring termes, <HI>By thine agony and bloudy &s;weat, By thy Cr<GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="1 letter">&s;&s;e and Pa&s;&s;ion, By thy precious death and buriall, By thy glorious Re&s;urrection, and A&s;cen&s;ion,</HI> &amp;c. It would make patience it &s;elfe impatient, and admiration it &s;elfe &s;tand amazed to heare &s;uch horrid pro|phanene&s;&s;e? Can there be a greater di&s;turbance of the peace and unity of the Church then this?</P>
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<SPEAKER>Phil-eirer.</SPEAKER>
<P>I think thou art be&s;ide thy &s;elfe, (brother <HI>Phllo-polemus</HI>) much ig|norance hath made thee mad: Can the violence of Prayer, wherewith wee pierce heaven gates, and approach neare the Pavilion and throne of glory, be without execrable profanene&s;&s;e termed conjuration? or can the fervency of our
<PB REF="4">&s;upplication, intimated here by the often repetition thereof, <HI>By thine agony as bloody &s;weat, by thy cro&s;&s;e and pa&s;&s;ion, &amp;c.</HI> (without the gro&s;&s;e&s;t injury offered to that &s;acred performance) be termed the di&s;turbance of the Churches peace?</P>
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<SPEAKER>Philo-pol.</SPEAKER>
<P>Truly (brother) you have given me good &s;atisfaction in this point, &s;uch as I could never receive from my brethren of Am&s;terdam; enough of that: But there is one thing more that plunders my braines, wherewith I'le torment your patience, and crave your re&s;olution upon the que&s;tion.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Phil-eiren.</SPEAKER>
<P>Let me pry into the &s;ecret crannies of your con&s;cience, let me know the &s;cruple that &s;o much perplexeth your <HI>pericranium;</HI> and I will re&s;olve you with as much di&s;cretion as I have done the former.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Philo-pol.</SPEAKER>
<P>That which mo&s;t di&s;tempers my zeale, and gives an ill farwell to my devotion (which is very &s;mall) is that clau&s;e at the la&s;t ga&s;pe of the Letany, <HI>Give peace in our time O Lord,</HI> with which I well hoped the Letany would have expired, but contrary to expectation it is revived.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Phil-eiren.</SPEAKER>
<P>I &s;ee what &s;traine you are of now <HI>(Philo-polemus)</HI> you appeare in the right colours, you are of your father the Devill, that blood-thir&s;ty fiend; an hereticall Schi&s;maticke, a Je&s;uited Anabapti&s;t, a chip of that old block-head <HI>Browne</HI> your gho&s;tly Father, who&s;e fa&s;hion is faction,
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Mr <HI>Will. <GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="1 letter">rowne</HI> an E&s;&s;ex Gentleman, the Author of this Sect, from whom ever &s;ince they were cal|led <HI>Browai&s;ts.</HI></NOTE> who&s;e Religion is Rebellion, who&s;e Patrimony is Parricide, your Sanctuaries are turned into places of Butchery, your Acade|mies into <HI>Aceldama's,</HI> &s;etting your pious re&s;olutions upon im|pious and bloody de&s;ignes! Away with &s;uch bloody incen|diaries and fomenters of war, the&s;e fire brands of hell, <HI>My &s;oule &s;it not thou in their Councell; Peace be in our time O Lord:</HI> Peace, the &s;wee|te&s;t mono&s;yllable in the world, the breath of our no&s;trills, the joy and Crowne of our lives, the &s;weet &s;olacing haven of all perturbations.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Philo-pol.</SPEAKER>
<P>The day is yours, I am forced to yeeld you have the better of it, my <HI>Phil-eirenus,</HI> I &s;ee it is as po&s;&s;ible &s;omtimes to prevaile by &s;trength of argu|ment, as by the a&s;&s;i&s;tance of the Spirit; for this tricke alone I &s;hall have the better opinion of humane learning while I breath; the fir&s;t thing I undertake &s;hall be to make my &s;elfe capable of Rea&s;on and Common &s;en&s;e. But there is one &s;cruple more that cro&s;&s;es my mind, which is, <HI>The abominable idolatry of the Cro&s;&s;e in Bapti&s;me &s;till afflicting us,</HI> which is nothing el&s;e (as I conceive) but a Rellick of Romi&s;h Super&s;tition, the Mark of the Bea&s;t, the &s;igne and character of the Purple Whore.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Phil-eiren.</SPEAKER>
<P>It is confe&s;&s;ed (brother <HI>Philo-polemus</HI>) that this Ceremony, in &s;igning the children with the &s;igne of the Cro&s;&s;e, fetches its originall from the Church of Rome: for in the reigne of <HI>Constantine</HI> the Great, who had the re|nowne to be called the fir&s;t Chri&s;tian Emperour, the Generall Councell conclu|ded, that in defiance of Pagans, Turkes, and Infidels, the Children of Chri&s;tians
<PB REF="4">and believing Parents &s;hould bee &s;igned with the &s;igne of the Cro&s;&s;e; which Cro&s;&s;e was their Banner, that put courage and magnanimity into their hearts, when they marched again&s;t their enemies: hence it came to pa&s;&s;e, that in pro|ce&s;&s;e of time this laudable cu&s;tome was tran&s;lated from the <HI>Romans</HI> to the <HI>Bri|tans,</HI> when children are bapti&s;ed to &s;igne them with the &s;igne of the Cro&s;&s;e; which (though oppo&s;ed by the &s;chi&s;maticall faction) is &s;till continued among&s;t the orthodoxe Divines, not &s;avouring of any Romi&s;h &s;uper&s;tition, but only as an outward &s;igne of their inward Profe&s;sion:
<NOTE PLACE="marg"><HI>Aug. l.</HI> 3. <HI>de Baptif.</HI></NOTE> which made an holy Father cry out in exta&s;ie and admiration of this laudable Ceremony, <HI>Non oc|culte loquor, &s;ed fronte gero,</HI> I &s;peak not privately, or &s;ecretly, as though I were a&s;hamed of my &s;elfe or my Profe&s;sion but I have &s;omething to &s;hew for it, I carry it in my forehead, as the banner of my Lord and Ma&s;ter, where with I will fight manfully again&s;t the Fle&s;h, the World, and the Devill. I confe&s;&s;e the Cro&s;&s;e in Bapti&s;me makes nothing to the e&s;&s;entiality of the Sacrament, indiffe|rent in it &s;elfe, but being impo&s;ed by authority of the Church, I cannot tell how I &s;hould excu&s;e the nece&s;&s;ary u&s;e thereof. Now becau&s;e &s;uch is the frontles impu|dence of the Anabapti&s;tical party that they dare affirm there is no pregnant proof in Scripture of this commendable Ceremony, to their eternall &s;hame let them look upon that place in the <HI>Revelations, Hurt not the earth, nor the &s;ea, nor the trees, untill we have &s;ealed the &s;ervants of our God in their foreheads, Rev.</HI> 7.3. which though it be principally meant of the &s;pirituall and my&s;ticall, <HI>viz.</HI> an in&s;eparable union and knitting of our hearts to Chri&s;t by faith, yet the allu&s;ion is made (ac|cording to the mo&s;t learned Expo&s;itors) to the &s;ealing of infants in holy bapti&s;me with the &s;igne of the Cro&s;&s;e. Now to tho&s;e that have in their infancy bin &s;igned with the &s;igne of the Cro&s;&s;e, and humbly acknowledge it to be a Badge of Chri|&s;tianity, it is the &s;eale of the ever-living God; but to tho&s;e that have been &s;igned there with, and terme it the idolatrous Cro&s;&s;e, to &s;uch it is the mark of the Bea&s;t: which I rather beleeve, becau&s;e it proceeds from be&s;tiall and &s;en&s;uall ignorance. Therefore (deare Brother) be not a&s;hamed of that Cro&s;&s;e, which is the renown of Chri&s;tians, but <HI>if thou glorie&s;t in any thing, let it bee in the Cro&s;&s;e of Chri&s;t le&s;us.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>Philo-Pol.</SPEAKER>
<P>Well <HI>(Brother Phil eirenus)</HI> thou ha&s;t almo&s;t per&s;waded me to be a Chri&s;tian.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Phil-eire.</SPEAKER>
<P>I would not only you <HI>(My Brother)</HI> but all the Separati&s;ts likewi&s;e that ignorantly oppo&s;e the Doctrine and di&s;cipline of the Church of <HI>England,</HI> were not almo&s;t, but altogether converted (as thou art) from their Anabapti&s;ticall and Athei&s;ticall Tenets: But me thinks I reade &s;ome other doubt in thy forehead as yet unre&s;olved, tell me what it is.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Philo-Pol.</SPEAKER>
<P>Truly you have convinced me of &s;uch manife&s;t ab&s;urdities, and alpable contradictions already, that what I &s;uppo&s;ed to be the greate&s;t, is now
<PB REF="5">the lea&s;t, and &s;car&s;e worth any &s;cruple at all; but that I may be fully re&s;olved of a Quaere's before, It is this: Why is the Lords Prayer &s;o frequently u&s;ed among us, &s;ince every one cannot &s;ay; <HI>Forgive us our tre&s;pa&s;&s;es, as we forgive them the tre&s;pa&s;&s;e against us.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>Phil-eire.</SPEAKER>
<P>To this I an&s;wer, becau&s;e it is an expre&s;&s;e command of our Saviour, <HI>When ye pray, pray thus,</HI> from which no man can be priviledged or exempted; &s;o that he which comes into the Sanctuary with a malicious intent again&s;t his neighbour, is not fit to pray at all; but if any Prayer, let him u&s;e the Prayer of Pray|ers, that lively patterne of all Coele&s;tiall Contemplations.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Philo-Pol.</SPEAKER>
<P>Is it not lawfull to u&s;e any other forme of Prayer be&s;ides the Lords Prayer?</P>
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<SPEAKER>Phil-eir.</SPEAKER>
<P>Yes, you may according to your &s;everall occurrences and nece&s;&s;ities, &s;o the &s;en&s;e be not di&s;lonant from it, &amp; that (avoiding prolixity, and long Phari&s;aicall Prayers) you come as near the conci&s;ene&s;&s;e of our Lords Prayer as you can, in breathing out your &s;oule (as the cu&s;tome was in the Primitive times) in &s;hort Ejaculations to Heaven.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Philo-Pol.</SPEAKER>
<P>No better time then now: Since none of the&s;e things which I have mentioned, can be any Ob&s;truction to Peace, and Prayer is the onely meanes to obtaine it, &s;ince we are &s;o &s;weetly reconciled each to other, let us pray for the peace of <HI>Ieru&s;alem.</HI></P>
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<STAGE><HI>Philo-Polemus,</HI> and <HI>Phil-ei<GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="1 letter">enus</HI> conclude in Prayer.</STAGE>
<P><HI>OH thou that are the God of Peace, and make&s;t wars to cea&s;e in all the world: Fir&s;t, (we be&s;eech ther) &s;end downe into our hearts that Peace which pa&s;&s;eth all &V;n|der&s;tanding, and then (&s;weet Ie&s;u) worke an happy union between our Gracious King, and His Loyall Parliament, that under him we may live a quiet and peaceable life here, and this life ended, we may be entertained into that &s;oule-ravi&s;hing peace and eternall &s;ecu|rity in the highe&s;t Heavens.</HI> Amen.</P>
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<OPENER><DATELINE><DATE>Ianuary 2. 1643.</DATE></DATELINE></OPENER>
<P>I Have peru&s;ed this DIALOGVE, entituled <HI>Peace and no Peaece,</HI> and find nothing therein contrary to faith or good manners, and thinke it fitting to be printed and publi&s;hed.</P>
<CLOSER><SIGNED>Iohn Sidenham.</SIGNED></CLOSER>
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