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<P>A DESCRIPTION OF THE FAMOUS.</P>
<P>KINGDOME OF MACARIA; SHEWING ITS EXCELLENT GOVERNMENT:</P>
<P>WHEREIN The Inhabitants live in great Pro&s;perity, Health, and Happine&s;&s;e; the King obeyed, the Nobles honoured; and all good men re&s;pected, Vice puni&s;hed, and vertue rewarded.</P>
<P><HI>An Example to other Nations.</HI></P>
<P>In a Dialogue between a Schollar and a Traveller.</P>
<P>LONDON, Printed for <HI>Francis Con&s;table, Anno</HI> 1641.</P>
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<DIV1 TYPE="dedication">
<PB REF="2">
<PB REF="2">
<HEAD>TO THE HIGH AND HONOURABLE COURT OF PARLIAMENT.</HEAD>
<P>_WHereas I am confi|dent, that this Hono|rable Court will lay the Corner Stone of the worlds happine&s;&s;e before the final rece&s;&s;e thereof, I have adventured to ca&s;t in my widowes mite into the Trea&s;urie; not as an In&s;tructer, or Coun&s;ellour, to this Honourable A&s;&s;embly, but have
<PB REF="3">
delivered my conceptions in a Ficti|on, as a more mannerly way, having for my pattern Sir <HI>Thomas Moore,</HI> and Sir <HI>Francis Bacon</HI> once Lord Chancellour of <HI>England;</HI> and hum|bly de&s;ire that this honourable A&s;|&s;embly will be plea&s;ed to make u&s;e of any thing therein contained, if it may &s;tand with their plea&s;ures, and to laugh at the re&s;t, as a &s;olace to my minde, being enclined to doe good to the publick. So humbly craving leave, that I may take my leave, I re&s;t this 25. of October 1641.</P>
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<DIV1 TYPE="dialogue">
<PB REF="3">
<HEAD>A DESCRIPTION OF THE FAMOUS KINGDOME OF MACARIA. SHEWING ITS EXCELLENT GOVERNMENT.</HEAD>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Traveller.</SPEAKER>
<P>_WEll met &s;ir, your habit profe&s;&s;es &s;cho|lar&s;hip, are you a Graduate?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Schollar.</SPEAKER>
<P>Yes &s;ir, I am a Ma&s;ter of Arts.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>But what doe you heare in the Exchange; I conceive you trade in knowledge, and here is no place to traffick for it; neither in the book of rates is there any impo&s;ition upon &s;uch commodities: &s;o
<PB N="2" REF="4">
that you have no great bu&s;ine&s;&s;e either here or at the Cu&s;tome-hou&s;e. Come let us goe into the fields, I am a Traveller, and can tell you &s;trange newes, and much knowledge, and I have brought it over the &s;ea without paying any Cu&s;tome, though it bee worth all the merchandize in the king|dome.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Schol.</SPEAKER>
<P>We Scholars love to heare newes, and to learne knowledge, I will wait upon you, goe whi|ther you will.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>Well, we will goe into Moore fields, and take a turne or two, there we &s;hall be out of this noi&s;e, and throng of people.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>Agreed; but as we goe, what good newes doe you heare of the Parliament?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>I heare that they are generally bent to make a good reformation, but that they have &s;ome &s;tops and hinderances, &s;o that they cannot make &s;uch quick di&s;patch as they would; and if any ex|perience which I have learned in my long travels, may &s;tand them in &s;tead, I would willingly impart it for the publick good.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>I like that well, I pray you declare &s;ome good experience, that I may &s;ay that I have gained &s;ome thing by the company of Travellers.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>In a Kingdome called <HI>Macaria,</HI> the King and the Governours doe live in great honour and riches, and the people doe live in great plenty, pro|&s;peritie, health, peace, and happine&s;&s;e, and have not halfe &s;o much trouble as they have in the&s;e Europe|an Countreyes.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>That &s;eemeth to me impo&s;&s;ible: you Tra|vellers
<PB N="3" REF="4">
mu&s;t take heed of two things principally in your relations; fir&s;t, that you &s;ay nothing that is generally deemed impo&s;&s;ible. Secondly, that your relation hath no contradiction in it, or el&s;e all men will think that you make u&s;e of the Travellers privi|ledge, to wit, to lie by authority.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>If I could change all the minds in Eng|land as ea&s;ily as I &s;uppo&s;e I &s;hall change yours, this Kingdome would be pre&s;ently like to it: when you heare the manner of their government, you will deeme it to be very po&s;&s;ible, and withall very ea&s;ie.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>I pray you &s;ir declare the manner of their government, for I think long till I heare it.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>As for brevitie in di&s;cour&s;e, I &s;hall an&s;wer your de&s;ire. They have a Great Councell like to the Parliament in England, but it &s;itteth once a yeer for a &s;hort &s;pace, and they heare no complaints a|gain&s;t any but Mini&s;ters of State, Judges, and Offi|cers; tho&s;e they trounce &s;oundly, if there be cau&s;e: Be&s;ides, they have five under Councels; to wit,
<LIST>
<ITEM>A Councell of Husbandry.</ITEM>
<ITEM>A Councell of Fi&s;hing.</ITEM>
<ITEM>A Councell of Trade by Land.</ITEM>
<ITEM>A Councell of Trade by Sea.</ITEM>
<ITEM>A Councell for new Plantations.</ITEM>
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<P>The&s;e &s;it once a yeere for a very &s;hort &s;pace, and have power to heare and determine, and to puni&s;h Malefactors &s;everely, and to reward Benefactors ho|nourable, and to make new lawes, not repugnant to the lawes of the Great Councell, for the whole
<PB N="4" REF="5">
Kingdome, like as Court Leets, and Corporations have within their owne Precincts and Liberties in England.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>I pray you &s;ir declare &s;ome of the principall Lawes made by tho&s;e under Councels.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>The Councell of Husbandry hath ordered, that the twentieth part of every mans goods that dieth &s;hall be employed about the improving of lands, and making of High-wayes faire, and bridges over Rivers; by which meanes the whole King|dome is become like to a fruitfull Garden, the High-wayes are paved, and are as faire as the &s;treets of a Citie; and as for Bridges over Rivers, they are &s;o high, that none are ever drowned in their tra|vels.</P>
<P>Al&s;o they have e&s;tabli&s;hed a law, that if any man holdeth more land than he is able to improve to the utmo&s;t, he &s;hall be admoni&s;hed, fir&s;t, of the great hinderance which it doth to the Common-wealth. Secondly, of the prejudice to him&s;elfe; and if hee doe not amend his Husbandry within a yeares &s;pace, there is a penalty &s;et upon him, which is yeerely doubled, till his lands be forfeited, and he bani&s;hed out of the Kingdome, as an enemy to the common|wealth.</P>
<P>In the Councell of Fi&s;hing there are lawes e&s;ta|bli&s;hed, whereby immen&s;e riches are yeerly drawne out of the Ocean.</P>
<P>In the Councell of Trade by Land there are e&s;ta|bli&s;hed Lawes, &s;o that there are not too many Trade&s;men, nor too few, by enjoyning longer or &s;horter times of Apprenti&s;hips.</P>
<P><PB N="5" REF="5">In the Councell of Trade by Sea there is e&s;ta|bli&s;hed a law, that all Traffick is lawfull which may enrich the Kingdome.</P>
<P>In the Councell for new Plantations there is e&s;tabli&s;hed a law, that every yeere a certaine num|ber &s;hall be &s;ent out, &s;trongly fortified, and provided for at the publike charge, till &s;uch times as they may &s;ub&s;i&s;t by their owne endevours: and this number is &s;et downe by the &s;aid Councell, wherein they take diligent notice of the &s;urplu&s;age of people that may be &s;pared.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>But you &s;poke of peace to be permanent in that Kingdome, how can that be?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>Very ea&s;ily; for they have a law, that if any Prince &s;hall attempt any inva&s;ion, his kingdome &s;hall be lawfull prize: and the Inhabitants of this happy Countrey are &s;o numerous, &s;trong, and rich, that they have de&s;troyed &s;ome without any con&s;i|derable re&s;i&s;tance; and the re&s;t take warning.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>But you &s;poke of health, how can that be procured by a better way than wee have here in England?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>Yes very ea&s;ily; for they have an hou&s;e, or Colledge of experience, where they deliver out yeerly &s;uch medicines as they find out by experi|ence; and all &s;uch as &s;hall be able to demon&s;trate any experiment for the health or wealth of men, are honourably rewarded at the publike charge, by which their skill in Husbandry, Phy&s;ick, and Surge|rie, is mo&s;t excellent.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<PB N="6" REF="6">
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>But this is again&s;t Phy&s;icians.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>In <HI>Macaria</HI> the Par&s;on of every Pari&s;h is a good Phy&s;ician, and doth execute both functions, to wit, <HI>cura animarum, &amp; cura corporum;</HI> and they think it as ab&s;urd for a Divine to be without the skill of Phy&s;ick, as it is to put new wine into old bottles; and the Phy&s;icians being true Naturali&s;ts, may as well become good Divines, as the Divines doe be|come good Phy&s;icians.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>But you &s;poke of grat facilitie that the&s;e men have in their functions, how can that be?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>Very ea&s;ily: for the Divines, by rea&s;on that the Societie of Experimenters is liable to an action, if they &s;hall deliver out any fal&s;e receit, are not troubled to trie conclu&s;ions, or experi|ments, but onely to con&s;ider of the diver&s;itie of natures, complexions, and con&s;titutions, which they are to know, for the cure of &s;oules, as well as of bodies.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>I know divers Divines in England that are Phy&s;icians, and therefore I hold well with this re|port, and I would that all were &s;uch, for they have great e&s;timation with the people, and can rule them at their plea&s;ure?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>But how cometh the facilitie of becoming good Divines?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>They are all of approved abilitie in hu|mane learning, before they take in hand that functi|on, and then they have &s;uch rules, that they need no con&s;iderable &s;tudie to accompli&s;h all knowledge fit
<PB N="7" REF="6">
for Divines, by rea&s;on that there are no diver&s;itie of opinions among&s;t them.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>How can that be?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>Very ea&s;ily: for they have a law, that if any Divine &s;hall publi&s;h a new opinion to the Com|mon people, he &s;hall be accounted a di&s;turber of the publick peace, and &s;hall &s;uffer death for it.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>But that is the way to keep them in errour perpetually, if they be once in it.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>You are deceived; for if any one hath conceived a new opinion, he is allowed everie yeere freely to di&s;pute it before the Great Councell; if he overcome his Adver&s;aries, or &s;uch as are ap|pointed to be Opponents, then it is generally re|ceived for truth; if he be overcome, then it is de|clared to be fal&s;e.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>It &s;eemeth that they are Chri&s;tians by your relation of the Parochiall Mini&s;ters, but whe|ther are they Prote&s;tants or Papi&s;ts?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>Their Religion con&s;i&s;ts not in taking no|tice of &s;everall opinions and &s;ects, but is made up of infallible tenets, which may be proved by in|vincible arguments, and &s;uch as will abide the grand te&s;t of extreme di&s;pute; by which meanes none have power to &s;tirre up Schi&s;mes and Here|&s;ies; neither are any of their opinions ridiculous to tho&s;e who are of contrarie minds.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Schol.</SPEAKER>
<P>But you &s;poke of great honour which the Governours have in the Kingdome of <HI>Ma|caria.</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<PB N="8" REF="7">
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>They mu&s;t needs receive great honour of the people, by rea&s;on that there is no inju|&s;tice done, or very &s;eldome, perhaps once in an age.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>But how come they by their great riches which you &s;peak of?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>It is holden a principall policie in State to allow to the mini&s;ters of State, Judges, and chiefe Officers, great revenues; for that, in ca&s;e they doe not their dutie, in looking to the King|domes &s;afety, for con&s;cience &s;ake, yet they may doe it for feare of loo&s;ing their owne great E|&s;tates.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>But how can the King of <HI>Macaria</HI> be &s;o rich as you &s;peak of?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>He taketh a &s;trict cour&s;e that all his Crown lands be improved to the utmo&s;t, as Forre&s;ts, Parkes, Cha&s;es, &amp;c. by which meanes his reve|nues are &s;o great, that hee &s;eldome needeth to put impo&s;itions upon his Subjects, by rea&s;on hee hath &s;eldome any warres; and if there bee cau&s;e, the Subjects are as ready to give, as hee to de|mand: for they hold it to bee a principall policie in State, to keep the Kings Cofers full, and &s;o full, that it is an a&s;toni&s;hment to all Invaders.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>But how cometh the Kings great honour which you &s;peak of?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>Who can but love and honour &s;uch a Prince, which in his tender and parentall care of the publick good of his loving Subjects, u&s;eth no
<PB N="9" REF="7">
pretences for realities, like to &s;ome Princes, in their Acts of State, Edicts, and Proclamations?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>But you Travellers mu&s;t take heed of con|tradictions in your relations; you have affirmed, that the Governours in <HI>Macaria</HI> have not halfe &s;o much trouble, as they have in the&s;e European Kingdomes, and yet by your report they have a Great Councell, like to our Parliament in Eng|land, which &s;it once a yeare: be&s;ides that, they have five Under Councels, which &s;it once a yeare, then how commeth this facility in government?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>The Great Councell heareth no com|plaints, but again&s;t Mini&s;ters of State, Judges, and chiefe Officers; the&s;e, being &s;ure to bee troun&s;ed once a yeare, doe never, or very &s;eldome offend: So that their meeting is rather a fe&s;tivity, than a trou|ble. And as for the Judges and chiefe Officers, there is no hope that any man can prevaile in his &s;uit by bribery, favour, or corrupt dealing; &s;o that they have few cau&s;es to be troubled withall.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>I have read over Sr. <HI>Thomas Mores Vtopia,</HI> and my Lord <HI>Bacons New Atlantis,</HI> which hee called &s;o in imitation of <HI>Plato</HI>'s old one, but none of them giveth mee &s;atisfaction, how the Kingdome of Eng|land may be happy, &s;o much as this di&s;cour&s;e, which is briefe and pithy, and ea&s;ie to be effected, if all men be willing.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>You Divines have the &s;way of mens minds, you may as ea&s;ily per&s;wade them to good as to bad, to truth as well as to fal&s;hood.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<PB N="10" REF="8">
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>Well, in my next Sermon I will make it manife&s;t, that tho&s;e that are again&s;t this honou|rable de&s;igne, are fir&s;t, enimies to God and good|ne&s;&s;e; &s;econdly, enimies to the Common-wealth; thirdly, enimies to them&s;elves, and their po&s;te|rity.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>And you may put in, that they are enimies to the King, and to his po&s;terity, and &s;o con&s;equent|ly, traitors: for hee that would not have the Kings honour, and riches to be advanced, and his King|dome to bee permanent to him, and to his heires, is a traitor, or el&s;e I know not what trea&s;on mea|neth.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>Well, I &s;ee that the cau&s;e is not in God, but in mens fooleries, that the people live in mi&s;ery in this world, when they may &s;o ea&s;ily bee relieved: I will joyne my forces with you, and wee will try a conclu&s;ion, to make our &s;elves and po&s;terity to bee happy.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>Well, what will you doe towards the worke?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>I have told you before, I will publi&s;h it in my next Sermon, and I will u&s;e meanes that in all Vi&s;itations and meetings of Divines, they may bee exhorted to doe the like.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>This would doe the feat, but that the Di|vines in England, having not the skill of Phy&s;ick, are not &s;o highly e&s;teemed, nor beare &s;o great a &s;way as they doe in <HI>Macaria.</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>Well, what will you doe toward the worke?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<PB N="11" REF="8">
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>I will propound a book of Husbandry to the high Court of Parliament, whereby the King|dome may maintaine double the number of people, which it doth now, and in more plenty and pro&s;pe|rity, than now they enjoy.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>That is excellent: I cannot conceive, but that if a Kingdome may be improved to maintaine twice as many people as it did before, it is as good as the conque&s;t of another Kingdome, as great, if not better.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>Nay, it is certainly better; for when the Townes are thin, and farre di&s;tant, and the people &s;carce and poore, the King cannot rai&s;e men and money upon any &s;udden occa&s;ion, without great difficulty.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>Have you a coppy of that booke of Husban|dry about you, which is to bee propounded to the Parliament?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>Yes, here is a coppy, peru&s;e it, while&s;t I goe about a little bu&s;ine&s;&s;e, and I will pre&s;ent|ly returne to you. Well, have you peru&s;ed my book?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>Yes Sir: and finde that you &s;hew the tran&s;|mutation of &s;ublunary bodies, in &s;uch manner, that any man may be rich that will be indu&s;trious; you &s;hew al&s;o, how great cities, which formerly devou|red the fatne&s;&s;e of the Kingdome, may yearely make a con&s;iderable retribution without any mans pre|judice, and your demon&s;trations are infallible; this
<PB N="12" REF="9">
booke will certainly be highly accepted by the high Court of Parliament.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>Yes, I doubt it not; for I have &s;hewed it to divers Parliament men, who have all promi&s;ed mee faire, &s;o &s;oone as a &s;ea&s;onable time commeth for &s;uch occa&s;ions.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>Were I a Parliament man, I would labour to have this book to bee di&s;patched, the next thing that is done; for with all my &s;even Liberall Arts I cannot di&s;cover, how any bu&s;ine&s;&s;e can bee of more weight than this, wherein the publike good is &s;o greatly furthered; which to further, we are all bound by the law of God, and Nature.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>If this conference bee &s;eriou&s;ly con&s;idered of, it is no laughing matter; for you heare of the combu&s;tions in France, Spaine, Germanie, and other Chri&s;tian Countreys; you know that a hou&s;e divi|ded again&s;t it &s;elfe cannot &s;tand: This may give the Turke an advantage, &s;o that England may feare to have him a neerer neighbour than they de&s;ire. Why &s;hould not all the inhabitants of England joyne with one con&s;ent, to make this countrey to bee like to <HI>Macaria,</HI> that is numerous in people, rich in trea|&s;ure and munition, that &s;o they may bee invinci|ble?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>None but fooles or mad men will be again&s;t it: you have changed my minde, according to your former prediction, and I will change as many minds as I can, by the waies formerly mentioned, and I
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pray you, that for a further means, this Conference may be printed.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>Well, it &s;hall be done forthwith.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>But one thing troubleth me, that many Di|vines are of opinion, that no &s;uch Reformation as we would have, &s;hall come before the day of judge|ment.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>Indeed there are many Divines of that o|pinion, but I can &s;hew an hundred Texts of Scrip|ture, which doe plainly prove, that &s;uch a Re|formation &s;hall come before the day of judge|ment.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>Yea, I have read many plaine Texts of Scrip|ture to that purpo&s;e, but when I &s;earched the Expo|&s;itors, I found that they did generally expound them my&s;tically.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>That is true; but worthy St. <HI>Hierome,</HI> con|&s;idering that tho&s;e places of Scripture would not beare an Allegoricall expo&s;ition, &s;aid thus, <HI>Po&s;&s;umus &s;icut &amp; multi alii omnia haec &s;piritualiter exponere, &s;ed vereor, ne huju&s;modi expo&s;itionem, prudentes lectores nequaquam recipiant.</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>I am of St. <HI>Hierom</HI>'s minde, and therefore with alacrity let us pur&s;ue our good intentions, and bee good in&s;truments in this worke of Reforma|tion.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>There be naturall cau&s;es al&s;o to further it; for the Art of Printing will &s;o &s;pread knowledge, that the common people, knowing their own rights and liberties, will not be governed by way of oppre&s;|&s;ion;
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and &s;o, by little and little, all Kingdomes will be like to <HI>Macaria.</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>That will bee a good change, when as well &s;uperiors as inferiors &s;hall bee more happy: Well, I am imparadi&s;ed in my minde, in thinking that Eng|land may bee made happy, with &s;uch expedition and facility.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>Well, doe you know any man that hath any &s;ecrets, or good experiments? I will give him gold for them, or others as good in exchange; that is all the trade I have driven a long time, tho&s;e riches are free from Cu&s;tomes and Impo&s;itions, and I have travelled through many Kingdomes, and paid nei|ther &s;traight nor Cu&s;tome for my wares, though I valued them above all the riches in the King|dome.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>I know a Gentleman that is greatly addi|cted to try experiments, but how hee hath pro|&s;pered I am not certaine; I will bring you acquain|ted with him, perhaps you may doe one another good.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Trav.</SPEAKER>
<P>Well, I have appointed a meeting at two of the clocke this day, I love to di&s;cour&s;e with Scholars, yet wee mu&s;t part; if you meet mee here the next Munday at the Exchange, I will declare to you &s;ome more of the Lawes, Cu&s;tomes, and manners of the inhabitants of <HI>Macaria.</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sch.</SPEAKER>
<P>I will not faile to meet you for any world|ly re&s;pect; and if I &s;hould bee &s;icke, I would come in a Sedan: I never received &s;uch &s;atisfaction
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and contentment by any di&s;cour&s;e in my life: I doubt not but wee &s;hall obtaine our de&s;ires, to make England to bee like to <HI>Macaria;</HI> for which our po&s;terity which are yet unborne, will fare the better: and though our neighbour Countreys are plea&s;ed to call the Engli&s;h a dull Nation, yet the ma|jor part are &s;en&s;ible of their owne good, and the good of their po&s;terity, and tho&s;e will &s;way the re&s;t; &s;o wee and our po&s;terity &s;hall bee all hap|pie.</P>
</SP>
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