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<P>The DISCOVERER <HI>VNCOVERED. OR</HI> A Vindication of tho&s;e four clo&s;e Pri&s;oners in the Tower, from the Exceptions, uncharitable Surmi&s;es, and Criminations of the Author (J CANNE &s;pell his Name) who wrote that <HI>Libellus Famo&s;us,</HI> called <HI>The Di&s;coverer,</HI> and Publi&s;hed <HI>June</HI> 4. 1649. By <HI>LAPIS FR&V;CTIFERA,</HI> a Notorious Parliamentarian, and Friend to the Army.</P>
<Q><BIBL><HI>PSALME XXXV.</HI></BIBL>
<P><BIBL>V. <HI>11.</HI></BIBL> Fal&s;e Witne&s;&s;es did ri&s;e up, they laid to my charge things that I knew not.</P>
<P><BIBL><HI>12.</HI></BIBL> They rewarded me evil for good, to the &s;poiling of my &s;oul.</P></Q>
<Q><BIBL><HI>REVEL. XI.</HI></BIBL>
<P><BIBL>V. <HI>10.</HI></BIBL> And they that dwell upon the Earth, &s;hall rejoyce over them, and make merry, and &s;hall &s;end gifts one to an|other, becau&s;e the&s;e two Prophets tormented them that dwelt on the Earth.</P>
<P><BIBL><HI>11.</HI></BIBL> But, after three daies and a half, the Spirit of life from God entred into them: and they &s;tood upon their feet, and great fear fell upon them which &s;aw them.</P></Q>
<P><HI>LONDON,</HI> Printed in the Yeer, 1649.</P>
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<OPENER><SALUTE>Reader,</SALUTE></OPENER>
<P>YOur Friend. Briefly, I &s;hall throughout, deal with what is mo&s;t to purpo&s;e any where in this <HI>Di&s;coverer</HI>'s Fir&s;t Part (and do wi&s;h for no better <HI>Quarter</HI> than I give) As for <HI>him&s;elf,</HI> &s;eriou&s;ly, he is a man of litle Con&s;cience, no Shame, That he can write <HI>THE CO&V;NCEL OF STATE, To all the wel-affected People of this Nation.</HI> And, <HI>We take our &s;elves bound in obedience to God, and [tru&s;t to the Nation] &amp;c.</HI></P>
<P>Moreover, <HI>This being &s;o, and [a thing well known to us] we have thought it nece&s;&s;ary to afford [our encouragement and fur|therance.]</HI> And all the while, a contemptible, mean-bred, de|cayed <HI>Par&s;on</HI> doth it.</P>
<P>Further, I am con&s;trained to <HI>&s;uppo&s;e</HI> the&s;e men <HI>the Authors</HI> of &s;everal Books (which, <HI>Heaven</HI> knows, and not <HI>I,</HI> who&s;e they be) not declared to be theirs; through the importune attribution of that Author, and Others: which told you, I go on with.</P>
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<HEAD>The DISCOVERER, &V;NCOVERED.</HEAD>
<P>_BVt it is not <HI>Trea&s;on</HI> to &s;peak again&s;t <HI>Tyranny, Arbitrary power, Taxes, Oppre&s;&s;ions,</HI> though &s;uch &s;peech may be made u&s;e of to make <HI>Commotions, &amp;c.</HI> and po&s;&s;ibly hath been improved hereto within the&s;e half-&s;core yeers: Yet, I wot, not by <HI>them,</HI> who <HI>cald on the People (at home, and &s;omewhere abroad) to joyn with them again&s;t Robbers, Rebels, Murderers; for the &s;ettlement of this Common-wealth, &amp;c.</HI></P>
<P>To &s;tep forwards, and &s;ee if the men named (M. <HI>Walwyn,</HI> Lievt. Col. <HI>Lilburn,</HI> M. <HI>Prince,</HI> and M. <HI>Overton</HI>) by the <HI>Di&s;coverer,</HI> hide mi&s;chief under it.</P>
<P>Fir&s;t, In the <HI>General Di&s;covery,</HI> its &s;aid,
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>They &s;eek to have the people di&s;-affected towards the pre&s;ent Government and Governors, as if the Parliament might and could ea&s;e them of Tythes, Exci&s;e, Free-Quarter, &amp;c. and will not.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vindication.</HI> But prove me that <HI>(John,)</HI> that <HI>the&s;e men &s;eek to di&s;-affect the People towards the pre&s;ent Government.</HI> You vapour in the Title, That here <HI>things are cleerly demon&s;trated, by rea&s;on, and proof abundantly.</HI> Where's this demon&s;trated? &mdash;Well, to &s;tay us, <HI>He &s;aith</HI> [the Accu&s;ation.]</P>
<P N="1">(1) <HI>Its fal&s;e.</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>For the Parliament hath declared there &s;hall ly upon the people no burden which they po&s;&s;ibly can remove; And likewi&s;e its their daily &s;tudy, &amp;c.</HI> And could he not &s;ay, <HI>its likewi&s;e their endeavour?</HI> I would fain have &s;een this <HI>done.</HI></P>
<P N="2">2. <HI>If men would but con&s;ider in what a Condition we are, &amp;c.</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>they would not blame the Parliament, &amp;c.</HI> Prithee! in what a <HI>Condition</HI> are we, that yet <HI>we cannot be otherwi&s;e, nor remedied?&mdash; Con&s;ider, &amp;c.</HI> for I don't tell you.</P>
<P>Further:
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>It</HI> (&s;aith he) <HI>can be proved (if need be) that the Land is put to</HI> 100,000 lib. <HI>yeerly charge by their means.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> A way with you; here is <HI>need of proof,</HI> and is none: thou art all <HI>Can,</HI> and <HI>emptie: &s;ounde&s;t,</HI> but not <HI>&s;atisfie&s;t.</HI></P>
<P N="2">(2) <HI>Its Treacherous.</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE></P>
<P N="1">1 <HI>They Con&s;pire again&s;t the Supream Authority, &s;tir up the People. &amp;c. Vid p.</HI> 14. <HI>of the Picture of the Councel of State.</HI> 2 <HI>A Declaration of the Free Commoners of England.</HI></P>
<PB N="4" REF="3">
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> Here <HI>(Reader)</HI> he takes it for granted, that the&s;e 4 men (praenominated) and their Party (for a melancholy conceit hath po&s;&s;e&s;t the mans heart, and he talks idley of the de&s;igns of a Party) did write the Papers mentioned: and that you are already opinio|nated that &s;uch wrote them. For you &s;hall not here be convin'd thereof, or have them proved to be &s;o. However, <HI>the former quo|tation</HI> &s;hall be cleered <HI>(infra)</HI> when &s;peak to 4th Particular, <HI>p.</HI> 22. <HI>The Latter</HI> is not theirs: one <HI>Prote&s;t</HI> therein is, <HI>Again&s;t the&s;e mens impri&s;onments, &amp;c.</HI></P>
<P N="2">2 <HI>They give out reproachful terms,</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>again&s;t men in Authority (and this is</HI> 4, <HI>a State-de&s;troying Stratagem</HI>) the <HI>Picture, p.</HI> 14. 17 and the <HI>Declaration.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> The <HI>Latter</HI> Paper is not theirs, and the quotation in the <HI>Former</HI> &s;hall in another place cleer.</P>
<P N="3">3 <HI>Their proofs are light and few.</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> This, the Di&s;coverer &s;aith he &s;hall &s;hew <HI>hereafter.</HI></P>
<P>Di&s;cov. p. 7. <HI>In the la&s;t place oq&s;erve what they &s;ay</HI> [Manife|&s;tation p. 8.] <HI>Could we have had any a&s;&s;urance that what is de&s;ired &s;hould have otherwi&s;e, or by any have been done; and had not had &s;ome ta&s;te of the relingui&s;hment of many good things that were pro|mi&s;ed, we &s;hould not have been &s;o earne&s;t and urgent for the doing thereof: To which we An&s;wer,</HI></P>
<P N="1">1 <HI>Their Freedom and Power hath been but a litle while in their hands:</HI> (and they have <HI>&s;ince</HI> dene nothing le&s;s <HI>nece&s;&s;ary</HI> than the&s;e: &s;hould have been added, &s;hould it not?)</P>
<P N="2">2 <HI>For the many good things they &s;peak of, we &s;hall &s;hew by and by what they are.</HI></P>
<P N="3">3 <HI>Sometimes ha&s;te makes wa&s;te</HI> (and &s;o (believe it) it would of the&s;e <HI>many good things.</HI>)</P>
<P>Secondly,
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> The <HI>Particular Di&s;coverey.</HI></P>
<P N="1">1 <HI>Of Hypocrisy in their &s;peeches.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> Here come in for the 1, 3, 4, 5. Particulars, <HI>Quotations</HI> from the writings of one, known to be n'one of the&s;e Four.</P>
<P>And for ch. 2 a Quotation <HI>from a writing of one of them,</HI> which this very <HI>Concealer</HI> of him&s;elf, Printed at <HI>Am&s;terdam</HI> (where if he dar'd &s;tay, we had not been now troubled with him here. <HI>per. Advi&s;e</HI> from M.C.) This kind of dealing is as like if cur&s;ed <HI>Achi|tophel,</HI> after he occa&s;ioned <HI>Ab&s;alom</HI>'s going-in to his Fathers
<PB N="5" REF="3"><HI>Concubines,</HI> (2 <HI>Sam. XVI.</HI>) upon the top of the hou&s;e, had been the teller of it to all the People, and &s;aid, he did it <HI>to undeceive the Nation.</HI></P>
<P N="6">6. <HI>Of their Athei&s;me and Anti-&s;cripturi&s;me, or little better.</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>That they are men who regard not God, neither the Scriptures, nor any Religion; it may be cleerly &s;een by the Agreement of the Peo|ple, which they call the Standard and ultimate &s;cope of their De|&s;ignes. Amongst all theor Propo&s;als and Articles</HI> (30 <HI>at lea&s;t) there is not one thing propo&s;ed for the holding forth and furtherance of Gods publike wor&s;hip and &s;ervice.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> That their <HI>Omi&s;&s;ion</HI> of &s;uch an <HI>Article,</HI> among <HI>Propo|&s;als for the Government of this Nation</HI> mu&s;t argue nothing le&s;s, or <HI>little better</HI> than <HI>that they are men who regard not God, neither the Scriptures, nor any Religion,</HI> wants ground. That they are neither <HI>Athei&s;ts,</HI> nor <HI>Anti-Scripturists,</HI> their <HI>Manife&s;tation</HI> (in p. 6.) doth &s;ufficiently manife&s;t. And that they are as regardful (as men are of the Apples of their Eyes, which they'l let none touch) of <HI>Religion,</HI> and <HI>Faith;</HI> of the <HI>Confe&s;&s;ion</HI> of the one, and the <HI>Practi&s;e</HI> of th'other; The x. head of their <HI>Agreement</HI> doth luculently declare; Where its <HI>Articled,</HI> that <HI>Repre&s;entatives &s;hall not re&s;train any per&s;on from</HI> PROFESSION OF HIS FAITH, <HI>or</HI> EXERCISE OF RELIGION, <HI>according to his Con&s;cience.</HI></P>
<P N="2">2. <HI>Of their good things propo&s;ed.</HI></P>
<P>Di&s;c. 1. <HI>They will have Tythes taken away.</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>It is well</HI> (read Phil. I. 16.) BVT &amp;c. (wicked <HI>Ahab</HI>-like I King. XXII. 8. and I Chron. XVIII. 7.)</P>
<P N="2">2. To their <HI>Expre&s;&s;ions</HI> concerning <HI>Levelling.</HI> He &s;aith, <HI>Note, They grant the thing lawful in it &s;elf. &amp;c.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> And Note, They <HI>Profe&s;s</HI> (1.) They <HI>never had it in their thoughts &amp;c. And</HI> (2.) <HI>to attempt an inducing the &s;ame is mo&s;t injurious [unle&s;s there did praecede an univer&s;al a&s;&s;ent thereunto from ALL, and every one of the People</HI> (as there did from all and every on of the <HI>Believers. Act.</HI> II. <HI>v.</HI> 44, 45. and Cap. IV. 32, 33, 34, 35.) which you may expect the <HI>day after Dooms day.</HI></P>
<P>Di&s;c. But, &s;aith he,
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>ALL mu&s;t be under&s;tood</HI> [re&s;trictively] <HI>that is the Poor Commoners &amp;c. For rich men, &amp;c. they Prote&s;t again&s;t for having exerci&s;ed Tyrannie, &amp;c.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> O the extremity of this mans malice! &mdash;where, when
<PB N="6" REF="4">&s;aid the&s;e men thus? Why mu&s;t they be &s;o under&s;tood? &mdash;!&mdash;!</P>
<P>Reader, You &s;aw their &s;erene <HI>Vindication</HI> from this in p. 4, 5. of <HI>Manife&s;tation.</HI></P>
<P>Here he would make their <HI>Levelling-De&s;igne</HI> apparent.</P>
<P N="1">1,
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> 3, 4, 5 6ly, By Sentences fetcht from Books not writ by either of them.</P>
<P N="2">2. By ones writing it, <HI>A Tyrannical &V;&s;urpation of Lords to lay Fines and other Services upon their Tenants, &amp;c.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> One would think while they allow one the <HI>Lord,</HI> and call th'other, <HI>Tenant,</HI> we need not fear &s;uch a De&s;ign: the plain contrary is &s;poken. Notwith&s;tanding the Di&s;coverer &s;hould have proved the <HI>Fines, &amp;c. righteou&s;ly</HI> laid, while he denied them <HI>&V;|&s;urpationes.</HI></P>
<P N="3">3ly.
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>They make Divi&s;ions.</HI></P>
<P N="1">1 <HI>They &s;tir up the People every where again&s;t the Army;</HI> (And how proves he this?) <HI>One</HI> of them <HI>&s;aith, The Faction of a Trea|cherous Party of Officers in the Army, hath twice Rebelled again&s;t the Parliament, and broken them to peices.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> And what's this to purpo&s;e? where is that <HI>&s;aying</HI> where|in <HI>they &s;tir up the People again&s;t the Army?</HI> 2 Is a <HI>Party of Offi|cers</HI> the <HI>Army, &amp;c?</HI></P>
<P N="2">2 <HI>They have been bu&s;ie to rai&s;e Sedition and Mutiny among&s;t the Souldiers.</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> For this he brings,</P>
<P N="1">1) A Quotation from p. 12. of <HI>Juglers Di&s;covered;</HI> whereas there be but 11 pages in all; and I have read &s;o much in the Book (which otherwi&s;e I had not) as is in p. 10 and 11, and mu&s;t needs return a <HI>Non e&s;t inventa.</HI></P>
<P N="2">2) A quotation from p. 9. of <HI>Engli&s;h Souldiers Standard,</HI> which bears no bodies name but Mr <HI>William Thom&s;on's</HI></P>
<P N="3">3) A quotation from p. 9. of <HI>Bloudy Project</HI> (he &s;aith, its Mr <HI>Walwyn's</HI>) which would not have them <HI>&s;wayed by,</HI> but <HI>for&s;ake the Covetous, Proud, Bloud-thir&s;ty, &amp;c.</HI> A notable <HI>Mutinous, Sedi|tious, Trayterous &s;aying</HI> no doub! judge of it.</P>
<P N="3">3 <HI>Their next work is to continue and encrea&s;e this Mutiny.</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE></P>
<P N="1">1) <HI>By Commending and Ju&s;tifying the Seditious Souldiers.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> Its ea&s;ier to this man to call the&s;e Souldiers &s;uch, than to prove them &s;o: He freely doth the former: let's us go look (for <HI>him</HI>) after the latter.</P>
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<P N="2">2 <HI>By urging and in&s;tigating fellow-Souldiers to take revenge upon their Commanders when others are ju&s;tly puni&s;hed for Muti|ny,</HI> Standard p. 8.
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;cover.</NOTE></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> What's &s;poken there, is of the <HI>&s;evere,</HI> and <HI>painful puni&s;h|ments,</HI> for <HI>&s;mall offences,</HI> inflicted on <HI>Private Souldiers:</HI> while&s;t an <HI>Officer</HI> turns a <HI>Bear, a Wolf,</HI> a <HI>Tyrant,</HI> and is <HI>not puni&s;hed.</HI></P>
<P N="3">3 <HI>By per&s;wading th' Army; that there is now no Martial Law:</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>And wherefore? but, that, when they have wrought Sedition, and Trea&s;on in the Army, there may be no means, cour&s;e, or way found out for to &s;top the breach, till all be lo&s;t, &s;catred and de&s;troyed.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> An har&s;h Cen&s;ure, and Calumnious: Its too gro&s;&s;e a peece of folly for the&s;e men to be guilty of. If other, <HI>ordinary means</HI> (Common Law) will do it, would but <HI>men</HI> make <HI>their work,</HI> to hinder a cour&s;e <HI>extraordinary?</HI></P>
<P>How-ever this man hath &s;poke out too, a &s;trange amendment in our Laws, and Law-givers; in our Courts of Judicatory, and Judges, &amp;c, That if <HI>Trea&s;on be wrought in the Army,</HI> it can by no means be <HI>&s;topt</HI> till all be <HI>lo&s;t,</HI> &s;ave by the way of <HI>Martial Law;</HI> if this <HI>Fire</HI> be there, it cannot be <HI>quenched</HI> (till all be con|&s;umed) unle&s;s by <HI>&s;uch water.</HI></P>
<P>Here the <HI>Di&s;coverer</HI> tels us, <HI>They under&s;tand not what Marti|al Law, is.</HI> Now, one is ready to think <HI>him&s;elf</HI> (the <HI>Di&s;coverer) doth,</HI> and is apt to in&s;truct them who <HI>if they under&s;tood what it is, would not &s;peak &s;o ignorantly, &amp;c.</HI> (as him&s;elf there &s;peaks) now, What &s;aith he? <HI>Martial Law is grounded upon pure rea&s;on, &amp;c.</HI> &mdash; Pi&s;h! none can under&s;tand by this, any thing of the nature of <HI>Martial Law,</HI> as its different from the <HI>Cannonical, Common, &amp;c.</HI> Prithee, tell, What <HI>is</HI> this <HI>Martial Law,</HI> which is grounded upon, &amp;c? What's the <HI>formalis ratio</HI> of it? &mdash; mum. Poor man! Let us take time, and go and ask; either, our <HI>Ma&s;ters</HI> can informe us; Or, their <HI>Patients</HI> (in &s;ome mea&s;ure) tell us; Or, (in Troth) it will no whit concern us.</P>
<P N="4">4ly.
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>Tho&s;e whom they have hitherto acknowledged to be the Su|pream Authority of England, they now deny; and title, The Gentle|men &s;itting at We&s;tmin&s;ter.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> For <HI>Vindication,</HI> Ob&s;erve, 1 That the page cited, is not <HI>po&s;itive, a&s;&s;ertive;</HI> but made up of <HI>Quaeries.</HI> 2 What's &s;poken, is upon the <HI>Suppo&s;ition,</HI> that <HI>they are a mock-Parliament (as &s;ome
<PB N="8" REF="5">of the chiefe&s;t among&s;t them&s;elves</HI> (&s;aith the Author of that <HI>Picture) stil'de it.</HI></P>
<P N="5">5ly.
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>They have &s;ought by fal&s;e Suggestions to &s;et strife and di|vi&s;ion between his Excellency, and the chief Commanders of the Army, in publi&s;hing to the world that the General is their stal|king-hor&s;e, and a Cipher, &amp;c.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> It <HI>imports the affirmer</HI> (and not the 3 other Gentlemen) <HI>to prove it.</HI> Now, put him to it, and he will <HI>&s;peak for him&s;elf,</HI> Ju. IX. 21. 2 Its directly &s;poken to tho&s;e <HI>under Command,</HI> (vid. line 2 of the <HI>Quaere</HI>) not to the <HI>General, &amp;c.</HI> and (its true) that man who <HI>reports</HI> it to the <HI>Party;</HI> or, pre&s;ents this to the <HI>General,</HI> comes neerer <HI>to make &s;trife, divi&s;ion.</HI></P>
<P N="6">6ly.
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>They have &s;ought to make di&s;cord between the Parliament and Councel of War, by a &s;ubtile and dangerous Stratagem; name|ly, That the Parliament &s;hould appoint a Committee of their own Members, to hear, examine, and conclude all Controver&s;ies be|tween Officers and Officers, and between Officers and Souldiers.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vtnd.</HI> He mu&s;t be of <HI>a jealous eye</HI> that will &s;ay he &s;ees &s;uch a (&s;ubtile) De&s;ign here. <HI>The Parliament hath formerly had a Com|mittee of their own Members re&s;iding with the Army;</HI> And what better imployment they could there have, than concluding Con|trover&s;ies among&s;t them, bringing them to Agreement, and ma|king peace there, <HI>Ne&s;cio.</HI></P>
<P N="7">7ly. <HI>In the Declaration of the Free Commoners, &amp;c. there is Re|bellion prote&s;ted and declared.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> In what <HI>words</HI> I pray? &mdash; I forbear. That <HI>Declar:</HI> is none of the four mens.</P>
<P>Next he comes to ob&s;erve,
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>What they &s;ay of others,</HI> and</P>
<P N="1">1. <HI>They complain</HI> (in the fir&s;t part of <HI>New Chain,</HI> which is not proved theirs) <HI>again&s;t erecting a high Court of Ju&s;tice for Tryal of criminal cau&s;es.</HI> To which he an&s;wers,</P>
<P N="1">1. <HI>They mention it for no other end, but to flatter Malignants,</HI> &amp;c.</P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> An untoward, mo&s;t ba&s;e &s;urmi&s;e, rather &s;lander, to them who are elongated &s;o many mea&s;ures (more than many) from the malignant party, as him&s;elf hath pa&s;t to approach it, and joyn hands to bring unto di&s;honour, the&s;e (I doubt not) well-affected, true-hearted Engli&s;h-men.</P>
<P N="2">2.
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>They &s;peak of per&s;ons pickt and cho&s;en, as an u&s;ual policy to
<PB N="9" REF="5">introduce (by &s;uch means) all u&s;urpations.</HI> An&s;w. <HI>Herein they di&s;cover great uncharitablene&s;s, and extreme malice.&mdash;We are to interpret things in the be&s;t part.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> Where is the <HI>&V;ncharitablene&s;s,</HI> where the <HI>extreme ma|lice di&s;covered?</HI> Said they that <HI>the Parliament did it to introduce &amp;c?</HI> No. The <HI>Affirmative</HI> is yours, by <HI>con&s;truction.</HI></P>
<P N="3">3. <HI>They do &s;ee the way of tryal by</HI> 12. <HI>men,</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>to be a Con&s;titution &s;o equal, &amp; ju&s;t, as that they conceive it ought to remain unalterable.</HI></P>
<P>An&s;w. 1. <HI>What if there &s;hould be</HI> 13. <HI>or</HI> 30. <HI>or more, or le&s;s, were it not as well, and just?</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> But what if they &s;hall not be <HI>of the Neighborhood,</HI> nei|ther <HI>Sworn?</HI> will it be as <HI>well, and ju&s;t?</HI></P>
<P>An&s;w. 2. <HI>In other Countries for tryal of Criminal Cau&s;es,</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>their Proceeding is not by</HI> 12. <HI>&s;worn men, but otherwi&s;e, and yet equal, and ju&s;t in it &s;elf.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> Who deny's it? But what Rea&s;on we &s;hould alter what's our own way, and (no doubt, Never any was &s;o &s;imple as to &s;ay, its not) <HI>better?</HI> though th'others prove good.</P>
<P>An&s;w. 3. <HI>The Parliament made choi&s;e of able, judicious,</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>and con&s;cientious men, and called many &s;uch together, to th'end they might proceed legally, &amp;c. therefore they &s;peak evil of them.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> THEREFORE &amp;c. How deep he works? He's enter'd their Hearts. As St <HI>James</HI> &s;aith Cap. II. v. 4. he becomes <HI>a Judge of evil thoughts. And who art thou that judge&s;t another?</HI> Cap. IV. 12.</P>
<P N="2">2) <HI>They complain for cen&s;uring a Member of the Hou&s;e for de|claring his judgement in a point of Religion.</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE></P>
<P>An&s;w. 1. <HI>What the Parliament did in this thing, it was upon that ground&mdash; all occa&s;ions of di&s;cord ought altogether to be ta|ken away.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> We man notwith&s;tanding ask this Di&s;coverer, 1. How he can tell this? and 2. Whether the Parliaments taking cogni|zance of two Members private di&s;cour&s;e about matters contro|ver&s;al, be a likely meane to take away di&s;cord? not, to create among&s;t them all, difference? 3. Whether the <HI>Member cen&s;u|red,</HI> was not upon &s;uch <HI>a ground,</HI> as here is mentioned, <HI>called in again?</HI></P>
<P>An&s;w. 2.
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>For the Re&s;erve in the Agreement concerning Reli|gion</HI>
<PB N="10" REF="6">(to which its &s;aid this is directly oppo&s;ite) <HI>If they mean that the Parliament hath agreed that any bla&s;phemous and heretical doctrine &s;hall be propounded, and defended in the Hou&s;e, We know no &s;uch thing: neither do we know what Rea&s;on that Member had, to &s;peak there what he did, &amp;c.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> The words were not &s;poken <HI>there,</HI> or <HI>in the Hou&s;e,</HI> till <HI>reported</HI> &amp;c. (this <HI>Di&s;coverer</HI> hath taken up very weak reports.) To know the Truth, I did procure an <HI>hone&s;t friend</HI> of mine, and one that's acquainted well with Col. <HI>Downe</HI> (and much honours him) to &s;tep to his Lodging, and enquire here-anent; and he re|turned with, as I &s;aid.</P>
<P N="2">2. There is a book of the <HI>Cen&s;ureds</HI> extant, containing a <HI>Nar|rative</HI> of this bu&s;ine&s;s. And wherein &s;omthing is &s;aid to <HI>Ventilate the contrary Opinion.</HI> Read it, and then judge.</P>
<P N="3">3. Its without controver&s;ie, that the <HI>&s;u&s;pen&s;ion</HI> was <HI>directly op|po&s;ite to the Re&s;erve in the Agreement,</HI> according to the native, common, and Grammatical &s;en&s;e. The words are the&s;e.</P>
<P><HI>That &s;uch as profe&s;s faith in God by Je&s;us Chri&s;t (however dif|fering in judgement from the doctrine, wor&s;hip, or di&s;cipline pub|likely held forth as afore&s;aid) &s;hall not be re&s;trained, but &s;hall be protected in the profe&s;&s;ion of their faith, and exerci&s;e of Religion, according to their Con&s;ciences, in any place, &amp;c.</HI> Yet, I &s;hall add, that I know not whether the <HI>Parliament</HI> ever yet <HI>agreed</HI> to it.</P>
<P>An&s;w.
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> 3. <HI>Note what Englands new Chaine is, &amp;c. Becau&s;e the Parliament will not countenance Bla&s;phemy, &amp;c. they cry out Tyrants &amp;c. Indeed this is the great and grand bu&s;ine&s;s, Religion, and Orthodox Doctrines, are not (as they de&s;ire, and &s;eek for) utter|ly ca&s;t off and rejected.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> I may not &s;ay the Parliament doth countenance <HI>bla&s;phe|my,</HI> becau&s;e they admit among&s;t them, tho&s;e that hold &s;uch an <HI>o|pinion.</HI> But &s;uch a man as the <HI>Di&s;coverer</HI> may &s;ay (narmle&s;ly) <HI>to reject</HI> them, is <HI>not to countenance them:</HI> And, for the Writers of the <HI>New Chaine</HI> to complain again&s;t <HI>ca&s;ting-out</HI> upon &s;uch terms, is to complain, becau&s;e <HI>Religion and Orthodox Doctrines are not ca&s;t off:</HI> which hath nece&s;&s;ary <HI>con&s;equences</HI> of like tendency with the former. But, (thou &s;ink of filth) how knowe&s;t thou <HI>they De|&s;ire?</HI> When, or where did they <HI>&s;eek for the rejection of Religion, &amp;c? &mdash; (who&s;e damnation is ju&s;t.</HI> Rom. III. 8.</P>
<PB N="11" REF="6">
<P N="3">3) <HI>The third thing which hath brought England into New Chains, is the Act for Pre&s;&s;ing of Sea-men,</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer</NOTE> <HI>directly contrary to Agreement of the Officers. pa.</HI> 22.</P>
<P>An&s;w. 1. <HI>There is no Law &s;o firmly made (much le&s;s an Agree|ment of Officers) but when the Peoples &s;afety, and nece&s;&s;ity require, may lawfully be changed&mdash;This was the Parliaments ca&s;e, &amp;c.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> Had this <HI>nece&s;&s;ity</HI> been made appear to them; we can|not but hold out, that the&s;e men would not have &s;o much as Ar|ticulated one &s;illable, pend one Jod of complaint again&s;t it.</P>
<P>An&s;w. 2. <HI>They &s;peak again&s;t it, and cry out New Chains, &amp;c.</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>And why all this? But to make the Sea-men mutinous and &s;edi|tious, &amp;c.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> How he <HI>interprets things in the be&s;t part?</HI> &mdash; I remem|ber, now, this is a <HI>Rule</HI> he layes down for <HI>others.</HI> And becau&s;e he askes the <HI>Que&s;tion,</HI> I'le an&s;wer, <HI>Why all this?</HI> but, <HI>to cleer what's right, and &s;tand to it.</HI></P>
<P N="4">4) <HI>They tell us they want Freedom, and are in Chains,</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>becau&s;e the Parliament &s;tops their mouths from Printing.</HI></P>
<P>An&s;. 1 <HI>They would have the State to &s;tand &s;till, and &s;uffer them, with their Seditious, and &s;candalous Libels to &s;trik them, as often as they plea&s;e, &amp;c.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> They would not be <HI>&s;topt from &s;peaking Truth,</HI> and <HI>Di&s;|covering the Tyrannies of bad men</HI> (as it follows in that place.) And this Sycophant hath invented wicked thought, (which never entred their guile-le&s;s Souls) and foi&s;ted them here; in confort with tho&s;e &s;landerous ones, which un-worthy great men in their &s;everal <HI>daies</HI> have had their earthly upholders to coyn; and impo&s;e on &s;uch &s;incere, &s;pirited men as their fearful hearts &s;ugge&s;ted (and that truly) to be di&s;likers of their exorbi|tancies, &s;tudiers of Common &s;afety, and couragious for the Cau&s;e of the Oppre&s;&s;ed, &amp;c.</P>
<P>An&s;w. 2 <HI>Such as pre&s;cribe remedies again&s;t Con&s;piracies,</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>give this as the fir&s;t, and Principal, namely, To prevent, and cut off (if po&s;&s;ible) the occa&s;ion, that it may not break forth, &amp;c.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> Wherefore &s;erves this? &mdash; We are at a lo&s;s (Reader) and cannot tell whereat he &s;trik's, unle&s;s wee'l (to plea&s;ure him, and comply with his unmanly immagination) <HI>opinar,</HI> conceit <HI>a Con&s;piracy</HI> among the&s;e men, forenamed. Which, for me to do,
<PB N="12" REF="7">were (I prote&s;t before the God above) as to ob&s;truct my &s;ight, by erecting in the way of light, one of the mo&s;t gro&s;&s;e <HI>Media's</HI> devi&s;e-able, cald, <HI>Prejudice.</HI></P>
<P>An&s;.
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> 3 <HI>Men who have acted by the principles of rea&s;on, and nature, have always bin careful to &s;top the publi&s;hing of &s;editious books &amp;c.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> And that the&s;e mens Books are &s;uch, pray <HI>Credit,</HI> for he can't <HI>lay it down.</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE></P>
<P N="4">4) <HI>Whereas they would help them&s;elves by mentioning</HI> Staple|ton, Hollis, &amp;c. <HI>Its a Sophi&s;me, &amp;c. becau&s;e</HI> Pilate <HI>did not well in Condemning Chri&s;t, therefore he did ill to Condemne the Theeves.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> Following his <HI>termes,</HI> he hath lo&s;t the <HI>Sence.</HI> The&s;e men argued not the Ordinance [ill] becau&s;e <HI>made in the time of</HI> Stapleton, &amp;c. but [the wor&s;e] the <HI>more &s;evere, and unrea&s;on|able,</HI> when hightned wrath ro&s;e up terribly, to qua&s;h even all, but Royalli&s;ts; and at la&s;t <HI>Petitioners</HI> for <HI>Peace.</HI></P>
<P N="5">5) <HI>We &s;uppo&s;e they will now object no more again&s;t the Parlia|ment for imploying that Apo&s;tate Judas (M.</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> Haiden) <HI>as an Exe|cutioner to &s;earch after un-licen&s;ed Books, &s;eeing them&s;elves have done execution upon him, murdered him in a mo&s;t barbarous, and cruel manner, and &s;ecretly</HI> (&s;aith the <HI>Margent.</HI>)</P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> I can think this man will not lay <HI>Haidens</HI> death to the&s;e 4 mens Charge. Its deep; and can the <HI>Levellers</HI> go off with good report? lets hear. Mr <HI>Thom&s;on</HI> (a man who&s;e death was lately purcha&s;ed at a deer rate) attending (on a Saturday) a Prin|ting-pre&s;s without Cripple-gate, <HI>Haiden</HI> comes in with two men, and layes hands on &s;ome Papers, which <HI>T.</HI> re&s;olved he &s;hould leave behind him. Now <HI>H.</HI> oppo&s;ing, <HI>T.</HI> draws his dagger, and pricks <HI>H.</HI> in the arme neer the &s;houlder, and afterwards turns him out: after which, <HI>H.</HI> goes and procures &s;ome files of Mu&s;|quetiers, and went to look for Books at Mr <HI>Larnars,</HI> where (after many reaks plaid) he brings down their narrow &s;tairs &s;uch bundls of Books in quires, under his armes, as would require a mans &s;trength to carry, &amp;c. Then, Sunday-night he goes to M. <HI>Paines,</HI> and then brake all his <HI>Pre&s;&s;es</HI> (of great value) to peeces, &amp;c. But (to cut &s;hort) till Munday he had not his wound dre&s;t, (though the Mar&s;hal-General, oft urged him to it) and after that he lived about a month (after his <HI>mo&s;t barbarous and cruel murdering</HI> by the <HI>Levellers</HI>) and then died that infamous Villaine, (with <HI>the mark of a Rogue</HI> in his hand.)</P>
<PB N="13" REF="7">
<P>And further to &s;atisfie thee, Reader, nextly take the Coppy of a Paper which I remember I &s;aw pa&s;ted-up upon Po&s;tes, Gates, and ob&s;ervable Places concerning him.</P>
<FLOATEXT LANG="eng" TYPE="proclamation">
<HEAD>At a COVRT MARTIAL of his Excellency, the Lord General, held at <HI>White-Hall,</HI> the 9th of <HI>March</HI> 1648.</HEAD>
<P><HI>THat whereas one</HI> John Haiden <HI>hath of late been imployed by &s;ome members of the Army, in &s;ome particular Services; e&s;pecially, for &s;uppre&s;&s;ing of &s;candalous Books and Pamphlets; and upon pretence thereof, Information is credibly given, that he hath committed many In&s;olencies, and Mi&s;demeanors of high nature, to the di&s;honour of the Army, contrary to the Tru&s;t repo&s;ed in him, to the great and in&s;ufferable damage of &s;everal people. The&s;e are therefore to &s;ignifie, That this Court doth di&s;claime any Act, or Thing that he hath &s;o done, upon any pretence of Authority from any Member of the Army what&s;oever. And all Souldiers are to take notice hereof, That they give not any Aid or A&s;&s;i&s;tance unto him, upon pretence of any Warrant or Information of what nature &s;oever.</HI></P>
<CLOSER><SIGNED>HENRY WHALLEY, <HI>Advocate.</HI></SIGNED></CLOSER>
</FLOATEXT>
<P>And here he tells us of an <HI>Athei&s;tical, and Helli&s;h Coun&s;el,</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>&s;ugge&s;ted by Walwyn, to a woman lying under a &s;ore and heavie Temptation,</HI> to lay hands on &s;elf. Its a Tran&s;cript of what is in that <HI>&s;tream of &s;lander,</HI> termed <HI>Walwyns wiles.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> A &s;ore and heavie charge (God deliver me)&mdash; But (hearken! a whi&s;per) is it true? <GAP DESC="blank" RESP="OXF" EXTENT="1 word"> your ear. <HI>You mu&s;t not lightly credit evil reports &amp;c. &mdash; For&mdash; To que&s;tion it &s;peaks out the like to the unpardon|able &s;in, Infidelity.</HI> Yet (hone&s;t &s;oul!) lend a little <HI>bear (the Sabatical, perfect, ble&s;&s;ed number of)</HI> 7 <HI>Church-men &s;ub|&s;cribe that Book, and he who &s;eeth the &s;ecrets of darkne&s;s can tell, how many of the &s;odality will</HI> (pray hold them not for <HI>Pu|ritanes) take their oaths of it.</HI>&mdash;I am at a &s;tand&mdash;Give me leave to &s;u&s;pend judging, till &s;ome friends be enquired of, who in all likely-hood, its more than probable, know the Truth of the &s;tory.</P>
<P>The Gentle-womans tender <HI>Hu&s;band,</HI> loving <HI>Si&s;ters,</HI> and deer <HI>Son</HI> (to whom the remembrance of the fact is no &s;mall grief) an|&s;wer, <HI>They never heard of any &s;uch &s;ugge&s;tion, till this (grievous) book came forth; And good cau&s;e they have to think &s;uch words
<PB N="14" REF="8">never were &s;poken by the Gentle-man named. A &s;pecial In&s;trument (in the hand of God) was he to the &s;pinning forth her life &s;o long, by his prevailing con&s;olations, instructions, &amp;c,</HI> after he under|&s;tood her di&s;temper, which he was ignorant of, till the doleful ty|ding of this good Womans de&s;perate <HI>ca&s;ting her &s;elf into Water</HI> made him know it, as appeared even by his mode of telling the news thereof, when he came to home. And (for my part) I think its improbable he hath &s;uch an Opinion, Becau&s;e when he might opportunely have di&s;cour&s;ed thereof, he was &s;ilent, <HI>viz.</HI> when our friend Mr <HI>W. R. (amicus non emultis)</HI> and I, walking in his Company along Moor-fields, talkt thereof, upon occa&s;ion of Mr <HI>W. R.</HI> having borrowed from me that Di&s;cour&s;e of <HI>Suicide,</HI> entituled BIAOANATOS.</P>
<P>And the <HI>Penner</HI> of that <HI>Wily</HI> &s;tream of &s;lander (pre&s;ents it like an un-cloakt naked fal&s;ity) hath cautelou&s;ly omitted the delivery of any <HI>circum&s;tances</HI> anent the &s;ame, with which, if this had bin clothed, doubtle&s;s one or other, &s;ome man or woman could have bin found out (without de&s;cending into the Aby&s;&s;e, or applying to the Heavens) to have atte&s;ted they knew the &s;peaking of them, and have told us the <HI>Place</HI> WHERE, the <HI>Company</HI> IN WHICH, the <HI>Occa&s;ion</HI> WHEREVPON, one <HI>Time</HI> or other (of <HI>oftentimes</HI>) WHEN, &s;uch words were <HI>&s;poken,</HI> or ought <HI>&s;ugge&s;ted to this purpo&s;e.</HI></P>
<P>As to the Scribe who wrote that pacht, Soloeci&s;matical Trea|ti&s;e, he's unlike a <HI>Reformi&s;t,</HI> (and therefore I think him none of the <HI>Sub&s;cribers.</HI> For they are at lea&s;t <HI>Independents.</HI> I u&s;e not the Name in <HI>Odium,</HI> but <HI>di&s;tinctionis gratia.</HI>) &s;aying p. 24. <HI>You &s;hall find the&s;e mens Petitions &s;pirited with &s;uch PROVOCATIONS</HI> as the&s;e; <HI>The Magi&s;trates mu&s;t have no power to impre&s;s, or con|&s;train the People to Armes by Sea, or Land, &amp;c.&mdash; Taking away the Mini&s;ters maintenance under the name of Tythes, &amp;c&mdash; Pre|tending the u&s;ele&s;ne&s;s of Lawyers in a Common-wealth.</HI></P>
<P>Whereas, the <HI>Grand Reformers</HI> in the <HI>Agreement,</HI> &s;ay p. 22. <HI>We do not impower them to impre&s;t, or con&s;train any per&s;on to &s;erve in Forraign War, by Sea, or Land; Nor for any Military Ser|vice within the Kingdom, &amp;c.</HI> And in the <HI>Declaration</HI> of the &s;aid <HI>General, and general Officers concerning it,</HI> p. 29. <HI>The taking a|way of Tythes, &amp;c.</HI>&mdash; And in the &s;ame page, <HI>Putting all the Laws, and the Proceedings thereof, into the Engli&s;h Tongue.</HI> And Mr
<PB N="15" REF="8"><HI>Hugh Peters,</HI> a man whom the Sub&s;cribers will not except a|gain&s;t as an <HI>Incendiary,</HI> hath often told (and that well) <HI>A great many thou&s;and &s;ouls live in America, and know not what a Law|yer means;</HI> and to what end, unle&s;s to that by tho&s;e men intend|ed, I &s;hall willingly leave to the &s;even mentioned, to an&s;wer.</P>
<P>Concerning it, I &s;ay no more, but from the bottome of mine heart (&ocirc; LORD, thou heare&s;t) I do &s;upplicate; that tho&s;e who were at fir&s;t the light, heedle&s;s <HI>Deliverers</HI> of the&s;e, and &s;uch like &s;peeches, never &s;o much as dreaming of their being unhappily circumvented, and engaged to &s;ave their credits by <HI>atte&s;ting</HI> or &s;wearing the Truth of them; And, that tho&s;e who have u&s;ed them to the &s;upplanting this unharmful mans hurtle&s;s &s;oul; may never (after the doleful &s;ight (which thou <HI>our Judge</HI> wilt on a day pre&s;ent them) of the mi&s;chievous &s;ervice they are put to) be in|duced to &s;teer de&s;perately, and make their own Cata&s;trophies, (through like perpetrations to that direfully exemplified) real <HI>Te&s;timonies</HI> to the cen&s;uring world, of their a&s;&s;uming &s;uch a cruel <HI>Opinion</HI> in the <HI>time</HI> of horror, in the <HI>hour</HI> of tryal, <HI>Temptation.</HI>&mdash;</P>
<P>For, Matth. XXVII. 3, 4, 5. <HI>J&V;DAS, when he &s;aw that JES&V;S was condemned, REPENTED HIMSELF&mdash;Say|ing, I have &s;inned in betraying the Innocent bloud. But they &s;aid, What is that to us? See thou to that. And&mdash; he departed, and went, and HANGED HIMSELF.</HI></P>
<P N="6">6) <HI>They would have the Councel of State di&s;olved.</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE></P>
<P N="1">1 <HI>Becau&s;e the&s;e men fear, as the Ca&s;e now &s;tands, they MAY de&s;ign to perpetuate their power, and keep off Parliaments for ever.</HI></P>
<P>An&s;w. 1 <HI>The Plot is no more but thus: A man &s;hould throw away his Meat, Money, Armour, &amp;c. becau&s;e &s;uch things MAY do him harm. The expre&s;&s;ion whereof, is conviction &s;ufficient.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vin.</HI> An inept <HI>Simile</HI> indeed (as is obvious to any mans judgment.)</P>
<P>But 2 <HI>Opportunity</HI> is too &s;hrewd a <HI>Temptation</HI> for men, to &amp;c.&mdash;</P>
<P>An&s;w. 2 <HI>The Councel of State can no more hinder,</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>or keep the Parliament from &s;itting, than the Courts of Chancery, Ex|chequer, &amp;c.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> Hold there. Can tho&s;e Courts do any one of the&s;e Great matters next mentioned? which, how neer they may be <HI>improved</HI> to the <HI>feared</HI> end, I will not, do you &s;ay. I wi&s;h it may <HI>no more hinder, &amp;c.</HI></P>
<PB N="16" REF="9">
<P N="2">2 <HI>Becau&s;e they are po&s;&s;e&s;&s;ed with power to order,</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>and di&s;po&s;e all the Forces, &amp;c; Publique Trea&s;ure; To command any Per&s;on what&s;oever before them, To give Oath for the di&s;covering of Truth, To impri&s;on tho&s;e that &s;hall di&s;obey their Commands, and &s;uch as they &s;hall judge contumacious.</HI></P>
<P>An&s;w. 1 <HI>To whom a Iurisdiction is given, unto it &s;uch things are nece&s;&s;arily granted, without which nothing can be done.&mdash;They finde fault becau&s;e they have power to Act the things which pro|perly belong to &s;uch a State.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> Then are &s;ome States <HI>deficient</HI> in what's <HI>proper,</HI> yea <HI>ne|ce&s;&s;ary to &s;uch States.</HI> Which, what man, is &s;o childi&s;h as to think? Can other States <HI>give Oathes</HI> of the Nature of that <HI>Ex Officio?</HI> Interogate (Pri&s;oners) in matters Criminal which concerns them|&s;elves, &amp;c. or <HI>nothing can be done?</HI></P>
<P>An&s;w. 2 <HI>Con&s;i&s;ts of</HI> 5 <HI>Particulars,</HI> which &s;aith he, <HI>Let be con|&s;idered, &amp;c.</HI> and con&s;idered they &s;hould have been by me, if they had not been immediatly &s;o pre&s;umptuou&s;ly obtruded (as they are) for <HI>A&s;&s;ertiones.</HI></P>
<P N="3">3 <HI>They object again&s;t the Per&s;ons.</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE></P>
<P N="1">1 <HI>The Chief of the Army.</HI></P>
<P>An&s;w. <HI>The Lord alwayes made them chief In&s;truments to pre|&s;erve this Land from their horrid, inhumane, and bloudy Wiles, and workings again&s;t it.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> Yet, &s;uch <HI>horrid, inhumane,</HI> and <HI>bloudy Wiles,</HI> and work|ings never were <HI>in rerum natura,</HI> but in the forges of lying fancies.</P>
<P N="2">2 <HI>The Iudges of the Law.</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE></P>
<P>An&s;w. <HI>Here likewi&s;e we know their meaning; its confu&s;ion they would have: &mdash; Take the light away, and darkne&s;s mu&s;t needs follow: That a Iudge of the Law,</HI> quatenus <HI>&s;uch, is unfit, &amp;c. it is the mo&s;t &s;ence-le&s;s thing that ever was uttered.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> Concerning this kind of men, you have had <HI>Advice</HI> e|nough in the <HI>Adverti&s;ements for new Elections, &amp;c. Further,</HI> Note, the <HI>General,</HI> and <HI>General Councel,</HI> carefully put in this to the <HI>Agreement of the People,</HI> page 17. <HI>In ca&s;e any Lawyer &s;hall be cho&s;en of any Repre&s;entative, or Councel of State, then he &s;hall be uncapable of Practi&s;e as a Lawyer, during that Tru&s;t.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Thirdly.</HI> What a notable <HI>&s;tirre</HI> is here (by an oblique touch) put upon the <HI>other Members</HI> of the Honorable <HI>Councel of State.</HI> Ob|&s;erve
<PB N="17" REF="9">it. If tho&s;e <HI>Judges of the Law</HI> which are among them, &s;hould (&s;uppo&s;e, by the next <HI>Repre&s;entative</HI>) be <HI>taken away,</HI> then <HI>dark|ne&s;s mu&s;t needs follow,</HI> (or this <HI>Preacher</HI> is be&s;ide his <HI>Text.</HI></P>
<P N="3">3 <HI>Trea&s;urers of Money.</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE></P>
<P>An&s;w. <HI>And why not? It will be time enough to give a further An&s;wer, when we know the Cau&s;e and Ground, wherefore &s;uch are excepted.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> The <HI>Cau&s;e and Ground wherefore &s;uch are excepted;</HI> there can be none &s;o ignorant as not to <HI>know.</HI> Its &s;uperfluous to pre&s;ent a Rea&s;on (which the <HI>ingeny</HI> of any one, not born an inno|cent, will <HI>dictate</HI>) again&s;t tho&s;e mens being in &s;uch a place.</P>
<P N="4">4 <HI>Exception is, That</HI> 5 <HI>were Members of the Lords Hou&s;e,</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>And mo&s;t of them &s;uch as have refu&s;ed to approve of your Votes, and Proceedings, concerning the King, and Lords.</HI></P>
<P>An&s;w. 1 <HI>The Parliaments proceeding with the King, and Lords, is one thing again&s;t which, they</HI> (he means, the 4 men in que&s;tion) <HI>do Prote&s;t.</HI> New Chain, Part 2. page 17, 18.</P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> The man <HI>An&s;wers any thing,</HI> &s;o he an&s;wers with <HI>&s;ome|thing:</HI> Here he tels us of <HI>Contradiction, Fal&s;hood, Hypocri&s;ie,</HI> (&s;uch things, as his tongue freely, delivers) and conceals tho&s;e words (of who&s;oever were the Authors) of that Di&s;cour&s;e, which &s;ufficiently &s;peak the plain &s;ence, <HI>viz. We al&s;o Prote&s;t again&s;t their &mdash; judg|ing, and taking away mens lives IN AN EXTRAOR|DINARY WAY. We al&s;o Prote&s;t again&s;t the Election and E&s;tabli&s;hment of tho&s;e High Courts of Iu&s;tice, as unju&s;t in them|&s;elves, and of dangerous Pre&s;idence in time to come.</HI> And this is what they have to that purpo&s;e.</P>
<P>An&s;w.
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> 2 <HI>They are here at their old Game to make Divi&s;ion be|tween the Parliament and Councel of State.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> Would I had not cau&s;e to &s;ay, This man will, <HI>(patrizare)</HI> Iu&s;ts to do the deeds of that old <HI>Game&s;ter</HI> mentioned <HI>Iohn VIII.</HI> 44. as he doth here.</P>
<P>An&s;w. 3 <HI>There are none of the Lords Hou&s;e,</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>neither of the Hou&s;e of Commons, Members of the Councel of State, which did any thing in relation to the Treaty, or declined that la&s;t proceeding, &amp;c.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> Why? no body &s;aid there are (whether there be or no) any &s;uch <HI>Members of the Councel of State.</HI> But (Further) take no|tice of the mo&s;t ill-condition-like trick that ere I ob&s;erve play'd
<PB N="18" REF="10">by a poor <HI>An&s;werer;</HI> The words quoted are taken from the next <HI>following Section</HI> (in the New Chaine) and the 5th (Sub&s;equent) <HI>exception,</HI> doth <HI>intervene.</HI> The &s;aid <HI>Section</HI> begins thus, <HI>Some of your own Hou&s;e, forward men in the Treaty, and decliners of your la&s;t proceedings.</HI> To which this An&s;werer &s;aith nothing, not a word.</P>
<P N="5">5 <HI>They except again&s;t &s;uch as were Iudges in the Star Chamber,</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>and approvers of the bloudy, and tyrannical Sentences i&s;&s;uing from thence.</HI></P>
<P>An&s;w. <HI>Can there be imagined, an exception more light, irra|tional, groundle&s;s; For what if a man had been a Member of the High Commi&s;&s;ion Court, or of the Popes Conclave, this could not be any ju&s;t bar, whereby he &s;hould be di&s;abled from any future Office, Place, or Imployment, if nothing el&s;e did appear, and the Per&s;on o|therwi&s;e in every re&s;pect fitted, and qualified for the work.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> 2 Kings XXIII. 9. <HI>Neverthele&s;s the Prie&s;ts of the high Places came not up to the Altar of the Lord in Ieru&s;alem, but they did eat of the unleavened bread among their brethren.</HI> The&s;e men hold with that good <HI>Advizer,</HI> who wrote, <HI>Though &s;ome of the&s;e men may now be better Patriots, and otherways affected; yet &s;ince there be others untainted, not unworthy Choi&s;e, GOOD REASON it is, that they &s;hould be prefered before the&s;e.</HI> And hath not the Parliament made &s;uch an <HI>exception</HI> only, a bar &s;ufficient, to <HI>di&s;able</HI> men from being <HI>Cho&s;en</HI> into <HI>Places, &amp;c?</HI> And pre&s;ume&s;t thou <HI>(Di&s;coverer)</HI> to &s;ay, this <HI>bar</HI> was not <HI>ju&s;t?</HI></P>
<P><HI>Here is a fit place to di&s;cover the vanity and folly of their book,</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>entituled, The Picture of the Councel of State. And here</HI></P>
<P N="1">1) <HI>Note, the Original and moving cau&s;e wherefore the State apprehended them. Not onely had the&s;e men &amp;c, but withal had made a Traiterous Book&mdash;This being [known] the Parliament gave Commi&s;&s;ion and Order unto the Councel of State [for the ap|prehending and &s;ecuring of tho&s;e Mutineers.] The Councel ac|cordingly appointed &s;ome Officers of the Army to &s;ee the Parlia|ments command executed,</HI> &amp;c.&mdash; <HI>the which done, and the Per&s;ons brought before the Councel, it was &s;hewed them (by the Lord Pre|&s;ident) by what Authority they were &s;ent for, and the Rea&s;on why,</HI> &amp;c.</P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> How <HI>imperfect</HI> the Relation is, let every one judge, that knows, or hath heard the proceedings reported. How <HI>untrue,</HI>
<PB N="19" REF="10">you'l &s;ee by laying parallel to it, the Pre&s;idents words, to wit, <HI>This Councel having information that you have a principal hand in compiling and promoting this Book, and the Parliament having referred the enquiry after the authors and publi&s;hers to this Coun|cel; therefore they have &s;ent for you.</HI> And remembring the <HI>War|rant for Commitment</HI> run thus&mdash;<HI>upon &s;u&s;pition of high Trea&s;on,</HI> &amp;c.</P>
<P N="2">2) <HI>For their An&s;wer,</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> We mu&s;t expect <HI>&s;hortly</HI> a further <HI>di&s;|covery.</HI></P>
<P><HI>The next place unto which they bring us, is the Councel of War, and &s;ay.</HI></P>
<P N="1">1. <HI>By their means, after the&s;e fair blo&s;&s;oms of hopeful liberty, breaks forth this bitter fruit of the vile&s;t and ba&s;e&s;t bondage, that ever Engli&s;h men groaned under.</HI></P>
<P>An&s;w. 1. <HI>When it is to plead for mutinous Souldiers,</HI> &amp;c. <HI>we &s;hall hear them &s;peak of good daies, times of Peace, all Courts of Iu&s;tice open (vid.</HI> the letter of two of them) <HI>but if it be to reproach the Army, they can make their tongues to &s;ay quite contrary, no|thing but bondage</HI> &amp;c. (<HI>new Chain p.</HI> 9.</P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> The man deals but di&s;-ingeniou&s;ly, never tells us what this <HI>better fruit,</HI> &amp;c. which the&s;e men (are &s;aid to) except again&s;t, and which praecedes this citation without mean, was, whereby his <HI>Reader</HI> might have at hand, before his eyes, the matter he is to judge of, to <HI>cen&s;ure,</HI> or <HI>acquit.</HI> For this his common trick, he may be called the <HI>Concealer, vid.</HI> pag. 30, 38.</P>
<P N="2">2. He is &s;o cro&s;s, hee'l make <HI>Contraries</HI> of <HI>Convenients.</HI> Hear them,</P>
<Q><P><HI>Its a time of Peace, and all Courts of Iu&s;tice are open.</HI></P>
<P><HI>There breaks forth bitter fruit of the vile&s;t and ba&s;e&s;t bondage,</HI> &amp;c.</P></Q>
<P><HI>Gro&s;s contradiction</HI> (for &s;o he calls it) where lurke&s;t thou, lye&s;t thou hid? Come, &ocirc; man of <HI>Confidence (vid. Conclu&s;ion</HI> of his book) come with thy further <HI>Di&s;covery,</HI> for this doth not make her appear.&mdash;If I look for it, it &s;hall be at the <HI>catch</HI> of <HI>Oppo&s;ition</HI> betwixt <HI>Peace</HI> and <HI>Bondage.</HI> And if I find it not there, the Reader mu&s;t know he is to turn <HI>Seeker,</HI> if &s;he be <HI>finde-able;</HI> if <HI>not,</HI> then <HI>Expectant</HI> till the next <HI>Di&s;coverer</HI> come. &mdash; Token.</P>
<P><HI>Peace.</HI> I &s;ee (in the letter) &s;tand free from malignant Cavaliers, and <HI>Bondage</HI> &s;eems (in <HI>Chain.</HI> p. 9.) under the lefts &s;ides <HI>hanger.</HI>
<PB N="20" REF="11">But they are cleer of one another. Are not at fighting terms. Jer, XXIX. 7. <HI>Seek the Peace of the City whither I have cau&s;ed you to be carried away CAPTIVES&mdash; For in the Peace thereof &s;hall ye have PEACE.</HI></P>
<P><HI>An&s;w.</HI> 2. He is here quite be&s;ide the Saddle with a piece of the L. Col. letter; which being matter of report, which I cannot enquire about, Ile onely &s;ay, the Reader may in the <HI>Conce&s;&s;ions</HI> of the <HI>Di&s;coverer,</HI> have enough to complain of.</P>
<P><HI>Another cau&s;e of their complaint,</HI>
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>is, that &s;uch Petitioners as have moved in the behalf of the People, have had their Petitions burnt by the common-hang-man. Likewi&s;e, for pa&s;&s;ng an Ordi|nance for Tythes upon treble damages.</HI> New Chain, 1. p. 7. &amp; 2. p. 4.</P>
<P>An&s;w. <HI>The Per&s;ons whom they do accu&s;e all along, naming a prevailing power in the Army</HI> &amp;c. <HI>they have not had a hand in the things whereof they accu&s;e them.</HI></P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> Its openly laid before us in the begining of that <HI>Section,</HI> in the fir&s;t part, that its the <HI>Hou&s;e,</HI> not their <HI>Army,</HI> is blamed. And in 2. part, the <HI>Authors</HI> charge upon them, the <HI>pa&s;&s;ing this Ordi|nance,</HI> no otherwi&s;e, than <HI>as they (contrary to the importunate de|&s;ires of the Agitators, and Remon&s;trance of the Army) permitted the conjunction of the &V;&s;urpers, to tho&s;e guarded to their places, One of the fir&s;t fruits whereof was this Ordinance.</HI></P>
<P>La&s;tly,
<NOTE PLACE="marg">Di&s;coverer.</NOTE> <HI>There are many other accu&s;ations of this nature brought again&s;t the Councel of War, and Commanders of the Army, of all which we &s;hall &s;peak in our next Di&s;covery.</HI> The <HI>one thing more, is toucht</HI> before.</P>
<P><HI>Vind.</HI> Now Reader, recollect your thoughts, and &s;eriou&s;ly con|&s;ider, whether he, who is &s;o vain, &s;o fal&s;e in his tongue, and noto|rious a make-bate, is to be heard, and not an&s;wered, reproved? Whether this <HI>unus ex plebe,</HI> (in our Common-wealth) be fit to &s;it a Judge, and &s;entence &s;uch men as the&s;e? and, Whether he hath cleerly demon&s;trated, by Rea&s;on and proof abundantly, that <HI>they have done already that for which they ought to &s;uffer death?</HI> as he (out of the abundance of his heart) &s;aith, p. 33. like the <HI>Prie&s;ts,</HI> and <HI>Prophets,</HI> and <HI>all the People,</HI> again&s;t <HI>Ieremy,</HI> Cap. XXVI, <HI>v.</HI> 8.11.</P>
<CLOSER><DATELINE>From my <HI>Counting-hou&s;e,</HI> <DATE>June 6. 1649.</DATE></DATELINE></CLOSER>
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