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<P><HI>The Faithfull</HI> NARRATIVE OF The late <HI>Te&s;timony</HI> and <HI>Demand</HI> made to <HI>Oliver Cromwel,</HI> and his <HI>Powers,</HI> on the Behalf of the LORDS PRISONERS, In the Name of the <HI>Lord Jehovah</HI> (Je&s;us Chri&s;t,) King of <HI>Saints and Nations.</HI> Publi&s;hed by Faithful hands, Members of Churches (out of the original Copies) to prevent mi&s;takes, and mi&s;reports there|upon. To the <HI>Faithful Remnant</HI> of the <HI>Lamb,</HI> who are in this Day of <HI>great Rebuke</HI> and <HI>Bla&s;phe</HI>|my, ingaged <HI>again&s;t the BEAST and his GOVERNMENT,</HI> e&s;|pecially, to the <HI>New Non-Conforming Churches,</HI> and <HI>Saints</HI> in <HI>City</HI> and <HI>Country,</HI> commonly called by the <HI>Name</HI> of <HI>Fifth Monarchy-men.</HI></P>
<Q><BIBL>Numb. 16.5. </BIBL>
<P><HI>Even to morrow the Lord will &s;hew who are his, and who is holy, and will cau&s;e him to come near to him, even him whom he hath cho&s;en will he cau&s;e to come near to him: therefore take you Cen|&s;ers,</HI> &amp;c. </P></Q>
<Q><BIBL><HI>Gen.</HI> 42.16.</BIBL>
<P> <HI>And ye &s;hall be kept in Pri&s;on, that your words may be proved.</HI></P></Q>
<P>Printed in the year 1654.</P>
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<HEAD>To the little Remnant of the Lamb, again&s;t the Bea&s;t and his Government.</HEAD>
<P>Some may wonder what we mean (the meane&s;t of all the <HI>flock)</HI> to be &s;o publick, and it may be our <HI>Deare&s;t Brethren</HI> the Lords <HI>pri&s;oners</HI> (at <HI>Lambeth, Wind&s;or,</HI> and el&s;ewhere) but they know <HI>Nece&s;&s;ity</HI> (by expe|rience) is the mo&s;t ab&s;olute plea now up, and a prevalent <HI>Argument</HI> to all <HI>parties</HI> intere&s;t and <HI>purpo&s;es,</HI> good and bad (we wonder, the <HI>Heathens</HI> wor&s;|hip her for a <HI>Godde&s;&s;e,</HI> for &s;he doth great things now adayes too in <HI>Eng|land</HI>) but we leave the <HI>Heatheni&s;h Nece&s;&s;ity,</HI> or <HI>Court craft-Principle,</HI> and to take up the Heavenly Nece&s;&s;ity, or Con&s;cience-Principle, which they explode; They them&s;elves who u&s;e to create <HI>nece&s;&s;ities</HI> for them|&s;elves, have created &s;ome for us too, by their ordinary (or rather extra|ordinary) di&s;ea&s;e among&s;t them, <HI>viz.</HI> the flux of words, and running <HI>Fi&s;tu|la</HI> of Lyes, or bla&s;phemies of abominable &s;avour. Our faces <HI>blu&s;h,</HI> whil&s;t our hearts <HI>turn</HI> within us, at the <HI>whori&s;h Impudence</HI> and <HI>Imprudence</HI> of &s;uch politick <HI>State-Profe&s;&s;ours,</HI> who with their <HI>Stage-Devotion</HI> dare <HI>bla&s;pheme</HI> the name of <HI>Chri&s;t,</HI> to make <HI>Lyes</HI> their <HI>Refuge,</HI> as they do at this day. We had in|terded this <HI>following Di&s;cour&s;e</HI> (for all us) &s;hould have lain a while in &s;ilence, had not &s;ome (who thought us and this fa&s;t a&s;leep) &s;ought to murder and cut the <HI>throat</HI> of the <HI>truth</HI> and of this <HI>Te&s;timony,</HI> with their notoriou&s;ly <HI>fal&s;e</HI> and <HI>oblique Reports;</HI> but that they may &s;ee the <HI>Truth,</HI> though like the <HI>two witne&s;&s;es</HI> (<HI>for three years</HI> and a <HI>half</HI>) may lie for <HI>&s;lain,</HI> yet) it &s;hall ri&s;e again, and &s;tand upon its <HI>feet,</HI> yea, in &s;uch a manner, (with <HI>life from God</HI>) as will put all the <HI>Time-&s;ervers</HI> to their trumps too, and throw this <HI>&s;elf-&s;eeking Generation</HI> of pitiful <HI>Muck-worms,</HI> mercenary, <HI>carnal</HI> and <HI>Court affected profe&s;|&s;ours</HI> into a <HI>pannick fear,</HI> and ague-<HI>agony-fit,</HI> (ere long) but in the <HI>interim, Truth</HI> is &s;weet to us, (becau&s;e it is Gods, not ours) and the more it is <HI>per&s;ecuted,</HI> we <HI>entertain</HI> it, and tru&s;t (through grace) to live and die with it, becau&s;e the Kings <HI>(Chri&s;ts)</HI> image is upon it, (though <HI>Ce&s;ars</HI> be not) nor will it take the gro&s;&s;e <HI>impre&s;&s;ion</HI> of the pre&s;ent <HI>Army;</HI> for the metal is too good to take the &s;tamp of <HI>Apo&s;tates;</HI> Therefore with all <HI>tenderne&s;&s;e,</HI> can|didne&s;&s;e, and faithfulne&s;&s;e, without re&s;pect to any one man more than another, and meerely for the poore-per&s;ecuted <HI>Truths-&s;ake,</HI> who&s;e <HI>&s;ighs</HI> and cryes and <HI>grones</HI> and tears, (by rea&s;on of tho&s;e un&s;upportable injuries, inhumane <HI>abu&s;es,</HI> and violences offered her) have <HI>pierced</HI> our hearts, and prevailed with us (whether we will or no) or rather, we think, we may &s;ay, the &s;pirit of <HI>Chri&s;t</HI> in us) to this faithfull <HI>Publication</HI> tho&s;e pa&s;&s;ages in <HI>I&s;a.</HI> 59.14 and 13,14,15,16. being often repeated in our minds, to wit, <HI>viz None calleth for Ju&s;tice, nor any pleadeth for the truth, they all tru&s;t in vanity and &s;peak lies, they conceive mi&s;chief, and bring forth iniquity, they batch cockatrice egges and weave &s;piders webs,</HI> &amp;c. <HI>In tran&s;gre&s;&s;ing and Lying again&s;t the Lord, and de|parting
<PB REF="3">away from our God, &s;peaking oppre&s;&s;ion and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of</HI> Fal&s;hood, <HI>and Judgement is turned away backward, and Ju&s;tice &s;tandeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the &s;treet, and equity cannot enter, yea, the truth faileth, and be that departeth from evil maketh him&s;elf a prey, and the Lord &s;aw it, and it di&s;plea&s;ed him, that there was no</HI> Judgement. <HI>And he &s;aw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no interce&s;&s;our, therefore his arm brought &s;alvation unto him, and his righteou&s;ne&s;&s;e it &s;u&s;tained him,</HI> &amp;c. But be&s;ides other Rea&s;ons, &s;hould we be longer &s;ilent, the three following would fall foully upon us.</P>
<P N="1">1. For that &s;ome of <HI>Satans Surrogates,</HI> the <HI>Court Pen&s;ioners</HI> and <HI>Pamphle|ters</HI> have let fly many <HI>filthy lyes</HI> and fal&s;e <HI>reports,</HI> about <HI>City</HI> and <HI>Country,</HI> to po&s;&s;e&s;&s;e them with prejudicate <HI>apprehen&s;ions</HI> and <HI>mis-informations</HI> about us: For it is <HI>Machiavils principle</HI> and <HI>Court policy,</HI> as &s;oon as their <HI>fal&s;e reports</HI> are given again&s;t the <HI>truth</HI> by <HI>mercenary creatures,</HI> to <HI>&s;econd</HI> the <HI>charge,</HI> and make way for their <HI>Ma&s;ters</HI> to fall upon the <HI>bones</HI> of the <HI>truths Abbettors</HI> and <HI>Fautors:</HI> This we finde <HI>State-policy</HI> in all <HI>Hi&s;tories</HI> and <HI>Ages,</HI> and the practi&s;e of <HI>proud Tyrants,</HI> Pedagogues, and <HI>per&s;ecutors;</HI> fir&s;t, creating <HI>lyes</HI> again&s;t the <HI>Saints,</HI> and then bringing them into <HI>&s;ufferings</HI> (when once they had made them &s;uf|ficiently <HI>odious,</HI> &s;o that no eye might pity them) thus <HI>I&s;aiah</HI> was reported for a lyer: <HI>Jeremiah</HI> a traitor; <HI>Daniel</HI> a rebel; <HI>Chri&s;t</HI> a bla&s;phemer; <HI>Paul</HI> a pe&s;tilent fellow; the Apo&s;tles &s;tirers up of <HI>&s;edition,</HI> and <HI>preachers</HI> of new <HI>laws</HI> and <HI>doctrine,</HI> and &s;uch as would &s;ubvert all <HI>Magi&s;tracy</HI> and <HI>Mini&s;try, laws</HI> and <HI>Cu&s;toms,</HI> and all then pre&s;ent: This principle and practice is revived again under this <HI>Government Nero like</HI> to inrobe the <HI>faithfulle&s;t</HI> of the <HI>a&s;&s;ertors</HI> of the truth and <HI>te&s;timony</HI> of <HI>Je&s;us</HI> with <HI>Bear-skins,</HI> then to bait them with their <HI>Ma&s;tiffs</HI> or <HI>Blood hounds;</HI> like men that will report their <HI>dogs mad,</HI> when they have a mind to <HI>hang</HI> them? &s;o doubtle&s;&s;e the <HI>lyes</HI> rai&s;ed again&s;t the <HI>poor Saints</HI> trampled upon and <HI>traduced</HI> (now) every where; e&s;pecially, the <HI>Lords pri&s;oners,</HI> Mr. <HI>Feak,</HI> M. <HI>Rogers,</HI> and others <HI>&amp;c.</HI> are precur&s;ory to &s;ome <HI>ba&s;e</HI> (if not bloody) <HI>de&s;igne</HI> again&s;t them: Therefore it is, they give out, that they are <HI>railers, lyers, &s;tirrers up of &s;edition</HI> and <HI>tumults,</HI> enemies to Government, <HI>Magi&s;tracy, Mini&s;try</HI> and <HI>Laws,</HI> and <HI>Evill-doers,</HI> and what not? as <HI>Per&s;ecutors</HI> u&s;e to do of old: What is pretended again&s;t Mr. <HI>Rogers,</HI> may appear in what follows, who refu&s;ed to make a full or <HI>formal reply</HI> without it were in an o|pen <HI>Court</HI> by a ju&s;t and <HI>legall tryall,</HI> according to hone&s;t and <HI>known laws:</HI> Therefore (and for no other rea&s;on) as he declared to them, in our hearing; was it that he declined to An&s;wer, and not becau&s;e he was <HI>non-plu&s;t,</HI> not able or afraid to an&s;wer, or the like, as the <HI>Court-creatures</HI> (who have made it their <HI>imployment</HI> for &s;ome dayes to <HI>blaze lyes</HI> about.) have mo&s;t wickedly and untruly <HI>reported;</HI> but the truth is, they all &s;eem to be given up over
<PB REF="3">head and ears into <HI>&s;trong lyes</HI> and <HI>delu&s;ions:</HI> For &s;ometimes they &s;aid he was too <HI>hold</HI> and plaid the <HI>Antick</HI> (like <HI>Caple</HI>) and at <HI>other times</HI> (to contradict them&s;elves &s;ufficiently) they &s;aid he was &s;o <HI>pu&s;illanimous,</HI> that he &s;tood and trembled before them, and what not? <HI>&amp;c.</HI> Now although it is notoriou&s;|ly known (by us and others) that they are all mo&s;t gro&s;&s;e forged <HI>untruths,</HI> and <HI>Court devices,</HI> fetcht from the <HI>Father of lies,</HI> who is now more <HI>bu&s;ie</HI> than ever, again&s;t the <HI>Lords faithfull ones,</HI> to render them odious and obnoxious; yet not with any de&s;ire to vindicate <HI>his</HI> or <HI>their per&s;ons,</HI> for we commend them to the <HI>God of truth,</HI> in who&s;e eyes, we (and thou&s;ands, we think, we may &s;ay in <HI>England</HI>) are per&s;waded they are very <HI>pretious, their God</HI> who is the <HI>Saints refuge</HI> e&s;pecially, when they be in <HI>&s;ufferings,</HI> pri&s;ons, per&s;ecutions, or the like for them; they mu&s;t look to <HI>lie</HI> under the <HI>la&s;h</HI> of all <HI>mens tongues</HI> almo&s;t; and no wonder if Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> do now more than ever (by the <HI>great man</HI> him&s;elf, as well as by his creatures) &s;ince that day of his <HI>Appearance</HI> be|fore him &s;uffer &s;o much: But the great God that heareth prayers for him and his, &s;uffering <HI>brethren</HI> will (doubtle&s;&s;e) <HI>deliver</HI> them, avenge them of their <HI>Adver&s;aries,</HI> and judge <HI>righteou&s;ly</HI> (as P&s;al. 37.6.) to <HI>bring forth their righ|teou&s;ne&s;&s;e as the light, and their innocency as the noon day;</HI> with a <HI>Daniels An&s;wer,</HI> cap. 6.2. <HI>My God bath &s;ent his Angel and &s;hut the Lyons mouths, that they have not hurt me: Fora&s;much as before him</HI> innocency <HI>was found in me;</HI> yet we &s;ay, for the <HI>truths &s;ake,</HI> le&s;t the <HI>te&s;timony</HI> &s;hould &s;uffer, We &s;hall and mu&s;t <HI>Declare</HI> a|gain&s;t that <HI>Generation</HI> of <HI>lyers</HI> and <HI>deceivers</HI> (as Apo&s;tates u&s;e to be) who go about, and &s;pread abroad fal&s;e <HI>reports</HI> of the <HI>wayes</HI> and People of God (by <HI>Letters, me&s;&s;engers</HI> or <HI>Pamphlets</HI>) purpo&s;ely to poy&s;on poore people with-all (knowing the <HI>advantage</HI> they have by our <HI>forced &s;ilence;</HI> &s;eeing we are not &s;uffered to <HI>print,</HI> or any other wayes <HI>publi&s;h</HI> the <HI>truth</HI> for our &s;elves:) If it were not lawfull to commit <HI>Fornication</HI> with the <HI>Moabites,</HI> to draw them to the true <HI>Religion;</HI> or if it be unlawfull to <HI>&s;teal</HI> to relieve the <HI>poore;</HI> it is much more <HI>unlawful</HI> by <HI>lies,</HI> obloquies or <HI>bla&s;phemies</HI> to win the poor people to their <HI>fal&s;e way.</HI> Wherefore in <HI>love</HI> to the <HI>Lord Je&s;us,</HI> and this his ble&s;&s;ed <HI>te&s;timony</HI> now up, we bring the <HI>truth</HI> of the whole <HI>Matter</HI> of the <HI>di&s;cour&s;e</HI> to light; whereat none we hope will be offended, but tho&s;e that love <HI>darknes rather than light, becau&s;e their deeds are evill, John</HI> 3. For the hone&s;t <HI>Trade&s;man</HI> is content to have his Wares carried into the <HI>Sun</HI> from a <HI>dim &s;hop-board.</HI></P>
<P N="2">2. It is (and hath been but) now more than ever (&s;ince the <HI>Court-glo&s;&s;es</HI> have been printed and <HI>publi&s;hed</HI> upon it) the earne&s;t de&s;ire, expectation and indeed <HI>Call</HI> of many of the <HI>Saints,</HI> to have as true a <HI>Narrative</HI> of the late <HI>Te&s;ti|monies</HI> as we could publi&s;h; but &s;eeing as <HI>Jer.</HI> 9.3. &s;aith, <HI>None &s;o valliant for the truth</HI> (whileft the wicked <HI>Apo&s;tates</HI> proceed from evill to evill) and knowing no other are &s;o well <HI>accommodated</HI> to undertake it, as &s;ome of us,
<PB REF="4">who were either <HI>ear witne&s;&s;es</HI> or <HI>Writers</HI> hereof, we re&s;o've to publi&s;h it, and therefore have compared the <HI>papers</HI> together that were taken in <HI>Characters,</HI> and have given this <HI>accompt,</HI> which we believe is as well <HI>taken</HI> as could be in &s;uch a <HI>crowd,</HI> and among &s;uch <HI>interruptions,</HI> confu&s;ions and <HI>di&s;turbances;</HI> we do not &s;ay to every <HI>individual word,</HI> point, or circum&s;tance, but in all the ma|terial pa&s;&s;ages, to the be&s;t of our <HI>knowledge,</HI> ob&s;ervation, or <HI>remembrance.</HI></P>
<P N="3">3. It is of &s;ome concernment to all the <HI>Remnant</HI> of the <HI>Womans &s;eed,</HI> in <HI>City</HI> and <HI>Country,</HI> to know how far the <HI>Remnant</HI> in <HI>London,</HI> with this <HI>Te|&s;timony</HI> of <HI>Je&s;us,</HI> and <HI>Cau&s;e</HI> have gone and are ingaged, and how high it is got up now, and what <HI>kind</HI> of <HI>E&s;au-like Spirit</HI> it is that oppo&s;es it) which you may &s;ee in the <HI>Hi&s;tory</HI> following, by the variety of <HI>pa&s;&s;ages,</HI> providences, and <HI>occurrences</HI>) and who knows, but it may a little <HI>warm</HI> them that are <HI>cold,</HI> and <HI>enliven</HI> them that are <HI>dead;</HI> and <HI>&s;tir up</HI> them that are <HI>drow&s;ie,</HI> and <HI>comfort</HI> them that are <HI>drooping,</HI> and <HI>unite</HI> them that are <HI>differing,</HI> and <HI>incourage</HI> them that are <HI>fainting,</HI> whether in <HI>Churches,</HI> or <HI>out,</HI> in the <HI>Countries,</HI> to con&s;i|der their <HI>work</HI> al&s;o at this day, and what it is the <HI>Lord</HI> calls them to, (with their <HI>poor Brethren</HI> that now &s;uffer in the <HI>three Nations</HI>) for the <HI>Lord Je&s;us</HI> and his <HI>Cau&s;e</HI> again&s;t the <HI>Mighty,</HI> left they al&s;o (by their <HI>&s;leepine&s;&s;e</HI> and &s;ilence) in|cur the cur&s;e, Judges 5.26. which God forbid! for the&s;e and many other <HI>rea&s;ons</HI> are we &s;tirred up to this <HI>Narrative,</HI> &s;eeing as <HI>Ahab</HI> did &s;end for <HI>Michai|ah</HI> (2 <HI>Chran.</HI> 18.) to &s;ee if he would &s;ay, <HI>Go up and pro&s;per,</HI> as his <HI>own Prophets</HI> did &s;ay to him, and as <HI>Ahab</HI> &s;aid, v. 15. <HI>I adjure thee &s;ay nothing but the truth, which when he &s;aid he would not &s;uffer,</HI> but &s;aid (as v. 25.) <HI>carry him back, put this fellow in pri&s;on and feed him with the bread of affliction,</HI> &s;o al&s;o was Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> remanded to his <HI>Bonds</HI> in <HI>Lambeth,</HI> with more <HI>Severity</HI> than before too.</P>
<P>Neither are we without our <HI>Temptations</HI> in this little <HI>bu&s;ine&s;&s;e</HI> for the <HI>Lamb;</HI> &s;ome of which that have a&s;&s;aulted us, ari&s;e from fear of <HI>giving offence,</HI> but when we con&s;idered our <HI>Call,</HI> that was &s;oon quelled, becau&s;e offence is taken, and not ju&s;tly given by us herein, &s;eeing we are commanded by <HI>Gods word</HI> to remove the <HI>&s;tumbling block</HI> (of Lyes) out of our <HI>Brothers way.</HI> We had a holy <HI>Jealou&s;ie</HI> over our own <HI>&s;pirit,</HI> till we had tried them <HI>by Gods word,</HI> and the <HI>Primitive practi&s;e</HI> of <HI>Saints,</HI> Apo&s;tles, <HI>Prophets</HI> and holy <HI>Men,</HI> in&s;pired by the <HI>Holy Gho&s;t,</HI> who ever &s;pake and writ boldly in the <HI>name</HI> of the <HI>Lord</HI> for the <HI>Truth,</HI> Jam. 5.10, and who are our example. We con&s;ider how eagerly our enemies would gape for <HI>Advantage</HI> again&s;t us, &s;hould they find the lea&s;t <HI>mi&s;take,</HI> and po&s;&s;ibly they will find <HI>many</HI> for as there is no <HI>pen,</HI> &s;o there is no <HI>man</HI> without <HI>Errataes;</HI> yet for the <HI>Truths-&s;ake</HI> (&s;o far as the <HI>Copies</HI> taken in <HI>&s;hort hand,</HI> and our <HI>friends</HI> have agreed in one, though we confe&s;&s;e, it cannot be <HI>publi&s;hed</HI> &s;o exactly as we could wi&s;h, &s;eeing we met with &s;o much <HI>inter|ruption</HI> as we &s;aid before) the Lord knows we have been as faithful and im|partial
<PB REF="4">as we could befor our <HI>lives,</HI> and we ble&s;&s;e our <HI>gracious Father,</HI> we fear not what <HI>Fle&s;h can do unto us,</HI> as long as the <HI>Lord</HI> is with us, and on our &s;ide, and as long as we can claim <HI>protection</HI> from <HI>Jehovah</HI> our King by <HI>Covenant, intere&s;t,</HI> priviledge and <HI>propriety</HI> (however &s;ome cen&s;ure that &s;it at Stern, as if we were ignorant of the <HI>Covenant of grace,</HI> they &s;hall find it other wi&s;e by the <HI>grace of our God,</HI> ere it be long) in the mean time an hone&s;t <HI>Jury man</HI> would rather have <HI>brought in</HI> an <HI>Ignoramus,</HI> than an unju&s;t and wicked <HI>verdict,</HI> but we will wait with patience, till the <HI>Lord</HI> appear to <HI>deliver us,</HI> and till then we apply <HI>P&s;al.</HI> 60.4. <HI>Thou ha&s;t given a banner to them that fear thee, that it may be di&s;played becau&s;e of the truth,</HI> Selah! Be&s;ides we do not (as the <HI>Court-Chri&s;tians</HI>) &s;et our <HI>Diall</HI> by the <HI>Clocks</HI> of the <HI>time,</HI> (for &s;o both would go fal&s;e) but ra|ther &s;et the <HI>Clocks</HI> that (&s;trike now adayes) by the <HI>Dials</HI> of <HI>truth,</HI> and accord|ing to the <HI>Te&s;timony</HI> of good <HI>Con&s;ciences,</HI> and then the <HI>Sunne</HI> that is now ri&s;en with <HI>glorious rayes,</HI> lu&s;tre and <HI>appearance</HI> (in this age) will &s;how us the time of the day, and what we have to do (like the <HI>Children</HI> of <HI>I&s;&s;achar,</HI> 1 <HI>Chron.</HI> 12.32.) to keep all <HI>True,</HI> and to make the <HI>Clocks</HI> and <HI>Dials</HI> to <HI>center</HI> in one pe|riod of <HI>hour</HI> and <HI>time.</HI> As Chri&s;t our <HI>Sun</HI> appears, we hope to appear with him, and to <HI>ri&s;e</HI> with him, and <HI>&s;hine</HI> with him, and <HI>&s;it</HI> with him on <HI>thrones,</HI> to <HI>Judge</HI> tho&s;e that have and do <HI>Judge</HI> us every day, <HI>Jude</HI> 14, 15. <HI>Rev.</HI> 20.4. though this be their day, yet we are &s;ure to have our day to <HI>Judge</HI> them, and then that que&s;tion (they are &s;o cranck in) &s;hall be put out of <HI>que&s;tion, viz.</HI> whether we are <HI>bu&s;ie-bodies</HI> in other <HI>mens matters,</HI> that Chri&s;t and his Me&s;&s;en|gers have nothing to do with, or in <HI>Chri&s;ts matters,</HI> that <HI>all</HI> true Chri&s;tians have and ought to have to do with, all that are <HI>followers</HI> of the <HI>Lamb,</HI> and for which <HI>matters</HI> of Chri&s;t and all <HI>Saints</HI> again&s;t the Bea&s;t, our <HI>dear Brethren</HI> are &s;o barbarou&s;ly abu&s;ed, per&s;ecut<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="OXF" EXTENT="1 letter">d, plundered and <HI>impri&s;oned,</HI> and for which we with them (through the <HI>grace of our Lord Je&s;us</HI>) are re&s;olved to &s;tand, whe|ther by <HI>life</HI> or by <HI>death:</HI> And this we are &s;ure of by <HI>experience</HI> (however they unworthily cen&s;ure us, as a <HI>blind man</HI> would not believe there was a <HI>Sun,</HI> be|cau&s;e he <HI>&s;aw</HI> it not, though &s;ome effects might have <HI>convinced</HI> him, &s;o &s;ome effects (we hope in the Lord) &s;hal lere long <HI>convince</HI> them, that we &s;uffer for the <HI>pure Te&s;timony</HI> of a <HI>good con&s;cience,</HI> and meerly for <HI>Chri&s;t</HI> and his <HI>Intere&s;t,</HI> and not for any man, <HI>Men,</HI> Thing or <HI>Intere&s;t</HI> what&s;oever that is on <HI>Earth.</HI></P>
<P>This con&s;cience fea&s;ts us (with very excellent <HI>viands</HI> from above, which we believe no <HI>caterer</HI> in the <HI>Court</HI> can provide their <HI>Great Ma&s;ters</HI> withal, but theirs is like to have but &s;owr Sawce, though it be <HI>out-landi&s;h-like,</HI> as when <HI>Chirurgions</HI> open the <HI>dead bodies</HI> of <HI>Epicures,</HI> they find many <HI>indige&s;ted crudities;</HI> &s;o will the <HI>Ancient of dayes</HI> (ere long) when he &s;its to <HI>anatomize,</HI> di&s;&s;ect and <HI>rip</HI> up their Con&s;ciences, find many a <HI>foul crudity, viz.</HI> the <HI>&s;culs,</HI> blood and <HI>bones</HI> of <HI>thou&s;ands</HI> of the <HI>Saints</HI> to &s;tick there; But the <HI>Lord have
<PB REF="5">mercy upon them</HI> (for the <HI>Plague is begun</HI>) if they be not pa&s;t <HI>recovery</HI> or true <HI>Repentance:</HI> But if they be, then the <HI>Righteous,</HI> and <HI>Holy</HI> ju&s;t <HI>God,</HI> who is <HI>our God</HI> will appear again&s;t them and their <HI>intere&s;t</HI> &s;peedily, <HI>powerfully</HI> and effe|ctually, according to <HI>all</HI> the <HI>Faith,</HI> Tears, and <HI>Appeals</HI> of his poor <HI>Worm Jacob,</HI> in who&s;e <HI>hand</HI> we believe will be the <HI>New thre&s;hing In&s;trument, vi&s;ibly</HI> are long. And then this contemptible <HI>te&s;timony,</HI> or cour&s;e <HI>Barley-Cake</HI> of <HI>Truth,</HI> will tumble from the <HI>Gideon Campe,</HI> and &s;mite down all their <HI>Tents,</HI> according to the <HI>Faith,</HI> and <HI>Prayer</HI> of <HI>Chri&s;t's</HI> and his poore <HI>Remnants,</HI> de&s;pi&s;ed <HI>Servants,</HI></P>
<CLOSER><SIGNED><HI>To</HI> do <HI>or</HI> to &s;uffer, <HI>to</HI> live <HI>or to</HI> die, <HI>with them; in this mo&s;t</HI> glorious, <HI>though clouded,</HI> precious, <HI>though Per&s;ecuted</HI> Cau&s;e <HI>of</HI> CHRIST JESUS. <LIST>
<ITEM><HI>Hur Horton,</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Chri&s;topher Crayle,</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Hugh Day,</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Edward Grove,</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>John Pugh,</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>John Durden,</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Samuel Bradley,</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>William Bragg,</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>William Medley,</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Francis Young,</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>James Wil&s;on,</HI></ITEM>
<ITEM><HI>Daniel Ingoll,</HI></ITEM>
</LIST></SIGNED></CLOSER>
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<Q><P>Li&s;t up a <HI>Banner</HI> upon the high mountain, <HI>exalt</HI> the <HI>voice</HI> unto them, &s;hake the <HI>hand</HI> that they may go into the <HI>Gates</HI> of the <HI>Nobles.</HI> I have commanded my <HI>&s;anctified ones:</HI> I have al&s;o <HI>called</HI> my <HI>mighty ones;</HI> for mine anger, even <HI>them</HI> that <HI>rejoyce</HI> in my <HI>Highne&s;&s;e. </HI></P></Q>
<BIBL><HI>I&s;a.</HI> 13.2,3.</BIBL>
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<HEAD><HI>A</HI> faithfull Narrative <HI>to the</HI> faithful Remnant <HI>round the Nation, the</HI> new Non-conformi&s;t-Churches, <HI>and</HI> Saints <HI>in</HI> City <HI>and</HI> Countrey, that go under the name of fifth Monarchy-men.</HEAD>
<P>THE <HI>Hope</HI> we have of <HI>fair weather</HI> ari&s;es from the <HI>Rainbow</HI> in the <HI>Cloud,</HI> though the <HI>Cloud</HI> be <HI>black,</HI> the <HI>Sun</HI> is up, and looks <GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="OXF" EXTENT="1 letter">ull upon it, which hath produced divers <HI>colours,</HI> &amp; put the poore <HI>Saints</HI> hard upon <HI>faith,</HI> grones and <HI>prayers</HI> to make up that tremendous <HI>Judgement,</HI> and dreadful <HI>Thunderbolt</HI> that mu&s;t fall out of this <HI>black Cloud</HI> (and which begins to rattle already) over the heads of the pre&s;ent <HI>Per&s;ecutors,</HI> as <HI>Rev.</HI> 4. and the 5. <HI>From the throne of the Lamb goeth thunders and voyces,</HI> &s;o in Chapter 8 and the 5. <HI>The Angel ca&s;t the Cen&s;er</HI> (for he was before the throne) <HI>full of fire and incen&s;e,</HI> (viz. the <HI>Faith</HI> and <HI>Prayers</HI> of the poore per|&s;ecuted Saints) <HI>into the earth, and there were voices and thunderings, and lightnings, and an Earthquake,</HI> chap. 16.18. and 19.6. and it is well known the new <HI>Non-Conformi&s;ts</HI> round the nation, are at it day and night, &amp;c. filling this <HI>Cen&s;er</HI> full, and before the <HI>Throne,</HI> giving the Lord no re&s;t; and though many have been as <HI>dead</HI> as <HI>dry bones,</HI> yet they begin to gather <HI>Sinews</HI> apace now, and are like (may we &s;peak it without Alaraming the <HI>New Court</HI>) to be an exceeding great Army, for the <HI>witne&s;&s;es</HI> are <HI>warm</HI> and begin to &s;tir, and <HI>benummed &s;en&s;es</HI> by u&s;e get <HI>life</HI> apace, &s;o that the <HI>Remnant</HI> of the <HI>womans Seed,</HI> are like to have their hands full. Ere long, and long they think it, among them are tho&s;e de&s;pi&s;ed ones of the Lord, that <HI>walk</HI> in <HI>fellow&s;hip</HI> with Mr. <HI>Rogers,</HI> now pri&s;oner for the <HI>Te&s;timony</HI> of <HI>Je&s;us</HI> at <HI>Lambeth,</HI> who after &s;everal <HI>&s;olemn dayes,</HI> and <HI>whole nights,</HI> did find it a <HI>pre&s;ent</HI> duty <HI>incum|bent</HI> upon them (and preparative to future) to go to <HI>Whitehall,</HI> (the revived Court) and <HI>demand</HI> the Lords pri&s;oners, and bear their <HI>Te&s;timony</HI> again&s;t the&s;e in <HI>pre&s;ent powers,</HI> for their gro&s;&s;e &s;ins and Apo&s;tacies, which the <HI>whole Body</HI> agreed unto, (not one di&s;|&s;enting) with a loud <HI>Suffrage</HI> of <HI>Joy</HI> and <HI>alacrity,</HI> ble&s;&s;ing the Lord
<PB REF="6">that they &s;hould be honoured by the <HI>Lord Je&s;us,</HI> as to be called to this <HI>Te&s;timony,</HI> for his &s;uffering <HI>Truth,</HI> and <HI>Saims</HI> at this day.</P>
<P>They <HI>&s;ought</HI> the Lord earne&s;tly <HI>two whole nights</HI> herein, though the fir&s;t <HI>night</HI> they were <HI>di&s;turbed</HI> by &s;ome <HI>rude,</HI> abu&s;ive <HI>Ruffians,</HI> that &s;eemed <HI>Zealots</HI> for their <HI>Protector,</HI> they roughly handled, &s;currilou&s;ly mi&s;called and abu&s;ed &s;ome of the <HI>Brethren,</HI> that they hurried them away from Prayer, to <HI>pri&s;on,</HI> (for night-prayers are reputed dangerous and di&s;turbful to the <HI>Court intere&s;t,</HI> yet for all that they kept another night, to have dire|ctions from the <HI>throne</HI> in the management of &s;o high and noble a <HI>Me&s;&s;age,</HI> and that they might not in the lea&s;t di&s;honour the <HI>dear name</HI> of the <HI>Lord Jehovah,</HI> nor the cau&s;e and Kingdome of Je&s;us Chri&s;t, that now &s;uffers: So, after they found much of Gods pre&s;ence, and many &s;weet promi&s;es to apply, and concluded unanimou&s;ly upon the number of twelve, which is the <HI>Lambs number</HI> again&s;t the <HI>Bea&s;t,</HI> and the <HI>Root</HI> and <HI>&s;quare number</HI> of the <HI>hundred fourty four thou&s;and,</HI> in <HI>Rev.</HI> 14.) to deliver the Me&s;&s;age in tru&s;t to <HI>Oliver Cromwel</HI> in per&s;on, in the name of the great Jehovah; and now that God alone might have the choice of the men, another time was appointed to &s;eek the Lord, and then they all agreed to take their <HI>Call</HI> by <HI>Lot</HI> given in the <HI>name</HI> of the Lord; &s;o that after &s;olemn looking up to heaven, the <HI>Lot</HI> was given from the Lap, <HI>Prov.</HI> 16.33. and the 18.18. and fell upon <HI>twelve:</HI> but (to ob&s;erve the Lords wi&s;dome) tho&s;e that they in their wi&s;dome &s;hould probably and principally have pitched upon for <HI>parts,</HI> utterance and abilities, were (by the <HI>Lords Lot</HI>) put by; yet this appearing &s;o undeniably to be of <HI>God,</HI> the &s;ame <HI>twelve</HI> were fully &s;atisfied, and accepted their <HI>Call,</HI> after|ward they agreed to go (every one with his Bible in his hand) upon the Me&s;&s;age of the Church, accordingly upon the 29 of the <HI>eleventh Moneth,</HI> a &s;olemn day of Prayer was kept, and they were &s;ent out in the name of the Lord Je&s;us, the Contents of the <HI>Me&s;&s;age</HI> with which <HI>they were intru&s;ted,</HI> is; <HI>as</HI> followeth.</P>
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<HEAD>THE MESSAGE OF THE CHURCH To O. C. <HI>by the Twelve.</HI></HEAD>
<Q><P>_WE are &s;ent unto you (<HI>twelve</HI> of us) in the name of our <HI>Lord Je&s;us,</HI> <NOTE PLACE="marg">The Me&s;|&s;age of the Twelve Brethren.</NOTE> and of that <HI>Church Society</HI> where|of Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> (now pri&s;oner for the <HI>Lord Je|&s;us</HI> at <HI>Lambeth</HI>) is over&s;eer (in the <HI>holy Gho&s;t</HI>) although we be <HI>poore</HI> de&s;pi&s;ed <HI>worms,</HI> and the weake&s;t and unworthie&s;t of the <HI>Lords Number,</HI> or of the <HI>Body</HI> to which we are related, and although we be not &s;o able to &s;peak, as others of our Society might have been, yet after much &s;eeking the <HI>Lord</HI> to be with us, and tru&s;ting in the &s;trength and name of our Lord <HI>Chri&s;t,</HI> by which we are come out this <HI>Day,</HI> after the <HI>Seal</HI> of &s;ome promi&s;es upon our <HI>&s;pirits</HI> in the &s;trength of the <HI>anointing</HI>) we are (as well as the Lord &s;hall enable us) come to deliver our <HI>Me&s;&s;age</HI> to you from the <HI>Lord,</HI> and that,</P>
<P>Fir&s;t, Becau&s;e the <HI>Lot</HI> of the <HI>Lord</HI> is ca&s;t <HI>upon us,</HI> <NOTE PLACE="marg">The Rea|&s;ons.</NOTE> (above o|thers.)</P>
<P>Secondly, Becau&s;e the <HI>Lord</HI> hath <HI>cho&s;en</HI> the <HI>poore,</HI> and mo&s;t <HI>de|&s;pi&s;ed things</HI> to <HI>confound</HI> and appear again&s;t the <HI>wi&s;e</HI> and <HI>great ones</HI> of the world, 1 <HI>Cor.</HI> 1.27.</P>
<PB N="2" REF="7">
<P>Thirdly, Becau&s;e we are bound to <HI>&s;ympathi&s;e</HI> with the <HI>Saints</HI> in <HI>Bonds,</HI> Heb. 13.3. in the defence of the <HI>Go&s;pel,</HI> Phil. 17.14. and the Apo&s;tle blames them that &s;tood not by him in his <HI>bonds,</HI> 1 <HI>Tim.</HI> 4.16, but we are re&s;olved (by the <HI>grace</HI> of our God) to own and &s;tand by the&s;e our <HI>Brethren,</HI> the faithful <HI>Servants</HI> of the mo&s;t High, and true and <HI>faithful Mini&s;ters</HI> of <HI>Je&s;us Chri&s;t,</HI> who are now <HI>per&s;ecuted</HI> and <HI>impri&s;oned</HI> by you and your Powers.</P></Q>
<P>Fourthly, Becau&s;e the <HI>Primitive Saints,</HI> who had a <HI>Primitive &s;pirit</HI> (which we pray for, and are in dayly expectation of) &s;pake boldly in the <HI>name</HI> of the <HI>Lord,</HI> Jam. 5. and the 10. and &s;o mu&s;t we to you, in the <HI>plainne&s;&s;e,</HI> fooli&s;hne&s;&s;e and <HI>&s;implicity</HI> of the <HI>Go&s;pel,</HI> without any <HI>Politick,</HI> &s;tudied, or <HI>artificial frame</HI> of words or expre&s;&s;ions after the <HI>wi&s;dome</HI> of the <HI>world,</HI> or the <HI>Princes of the world,</HI> 1 Cor. 2.6.8, 2 <HI>Cor.</HI> 2.17. therefore it is, we dare not give <HI>flattering titles</HI> to any man (who&s;e <HI>breath is in his no&s;trils</HI>) Job 32.21, 22. nor come we to make our <HI>petition</HI> to man (but to God we do) in the&s;e <HI>matters</HI> of our <HI>Faith</HI> and <HI>Con&s;ciences,</HI> <NOTE PLACE="marg">Nota.</NOTE> for which we contend this day, and for which our <HI>dear Brethren</HI> are cruel|ly <HI>impri&s;oned</HI> at <HI>Lambeth</HI> (meaning our <HI>Brother Rogers</HI>) and <HI>Wind|&s;or</HI> (meaning <HI>Mr. Feak.</HI>)</P>
<P N="1">1. Wherefore in the name of <HI>our Lord Je&s;us,</HI> and of that <HI>whole So|ciety,</HI> who have intru&s;ted us on this errand, we are to <HI>DEMAND</HI> the Lords pri&s;oners, tho&s;e pri&s;oners of hope at <HI>Lambeth</HI> and <HI>Wind&s;or,</HI> as due to <HI>Chri&s;t</HI> and his <HI>Churches,</HI> whom ye have &s;o un|chri&s;tianly rent and torn from us, (we meaning the Churches) and neither <HI>we</HI> nor <HI>they</HI> know for what to this day, but we are per&s;waded, <NOTE PLACE="marg">The Te&s;ti|mony. <HI>In the pri|&s;on</HI> Mr. Feak, Mr. Rogers Mr. Spitle-hou&s;e. Col. Over|ton Col. Al|lured. Adj. Gen. Allen. with many others</NOTE> it is for their <HI>Faith</HI> and <HI>Con&s;cience</HI> in the <HI>truth</HI> and <HI>Te|&s;timony</HI> of <HI>Je&s;us Chri&s;t,</HI> again&s;t the foul <HI>Apo&s;tacies</HI> and <HI>&s;ins</HI> of the times in <HI>profe&s;&s;ours,</HI> whether in <HI>Powers,</HI> Prie&s;ts, <HI>Armies</HI> or others, that have ca&s;t off the <HI>true Cau&s;e</HI> and <HI>Intere&s;t</HI> of <HI>Chri&s;t,</HI> and have ta|ken up the <HI>Creatures</HI> in&s;tead thereof, which can never &s;tand. This <HI>demand</HI> we make according to <HI>I&s;a</HI> 42.22.2 <HI>Chron.</HI> 28.11.</P>
<P N="2">2. And la&s;tly, (though we never yet did it in publick, yet) &s;o long as you go on thus, we dare not but joyn with our* <HI>&s;uffer|ing Brethren</HI> (<HI>viz.</HI> in what <HI>pri&s;ons</HI> &s;oever) for their <HI>Con&s;ciences,</HI> and this <HI>Cau&s;e of Chri&s;t,</HI> and declare and <HI>te&s;tifie</HI> again&s;t you (and the re&s;t; that adhere unto you, whether in <HI>Power</HI> or out) &s;o long as you are the <HI>Enemies of Chri&s;t</HI> and his <HI>Cau&s;e</HI> at this day,
<PB N="3" REF="7">which we mu&s;t do with the words of truth and &s;obriety; <NOTE PLACE="marg">Since that M. Gen. Harri&s;on, Col. Court|ney, Col. Rich. M. Chary, impri&s;oned the 16 day of this Mo|neth, be&s;ides all in other contries, and <HI>Scot|land</HI> tho&s;e there that are like to lo&s;e their lives by bloody Tri|als, all the&s;e with many others &s;uffering at this day for &amp; with the Te&s;timony of a good con|&s;cience a|gain&s;t men that have betrayed the cau&s;e of Chri&s;t: Others have been impri&s;oned, as <HI>Mr.</HI> Va|va&s;or Pow|el, <HI>Mr.</HI> Jo. Sim&s;on, <HI>Col.</HI> Okey, <HI>&amp;c.</HI></NOTE> for the Lord will rend you, and all up by the <HI>Roots,</HI> that are not <HI>plants</HI> of his own <HI>planting,</HI> and the great God will appear (ere long) to <HI>confound</HI> and de&s;troy this <HI>&s;pirit</HI> of <HI>per&s;ecution,</HI> inju&s;tice and <HI>Ty|ranny,</HI> which the poore <HI>(Non-Conforming) Saints</HI> feel &s;o &s;orely, and we pray you con&s;ider that of <HI>A&s;a,</HI> 2 Chron. 16. though a <HI>good man,</HI> and a great General, and Conquerour, when once he for&s;ook the Lord, relied on an arm of Fle&s;h, and began to im|pri&s;on the Lords Prophet, the hand of God was again&s;t him, (and &s;o on others) and &s;o will his wrath be upon you, and tho&s;e that belong to you, if you go on thus, and if God give you not a <HI>true</HI> and <HI>timely repentance</HI> of the&s;e great <HI>&s;ins</HI> which cry (day and night) for <HI>vengeance</HI> again&s;t you, and yours, and &s;o do <HI>thou&s;ands</HI> of the <HI>poore per&s;ecuted Saints</HI> (however you are made to believe) therefore we pray you &s;ee (if you will yet keep the <HI>Captives</HI> of the <HI>Lord</HI>) <HI>Jer.</HI> 50 33, but mark it <HI>v.</HI> 34. &s;o <HI>I&s;a.</HI> 29.20.21. <HI>P&s;al.</HI> 102.17, 20, 21. <HI>P&s;al.</HI> 37.32, 33.34. <HI>P&s;al.</HI> 79.11. and &s;aith Chri&s;t, <HI>What you did unto the&s;e, you did unto me,</HI> and Acts 9. <HI>Saul, Saul, why per|&s;ecute&s;t thou me;</HI> &s;o fee in Matth. 18.28, 30, 34. &s;ee <HI>v.</HI> 35. <HI>I&s;a.</HI> 49, 24, 25. Mal. 2.11, 12. Now to conclude, the day of Chri&s;t is at hand, which will &s;et them free, and will (ere long) call you, and all about you to <HI>Judgment,</HI> for all the&s;e things that you have done, and &s;uffered to be done again&s;t the Lord Je&s;us and all his Saints, and for all the <HI>blood</HI> of the <HI>Saints</HI> that hath been &s;hed again&s;t this <HI>Intere&s;t,</HI> and the&s;e <HI>evil things,</HI> which you have &s;et up again, to the <HI>Joy</HI> of the <HI>wicked,</HI> the <HI>grief</HI> of the <HI>godly,</HI> and <HI>reproach</HI> of pure <HI>Religion</HI> and undefiled; This is the <HI>&s;umme</HI> of our <HI>Me&s;&s;age,</HI> which we are &s;ent to deliver to you in the <HI>name</HI> of the Lord, <HI>and whe|ther you will hear, or whether you will forbear,</HI> we leave it with you, and to your <HI>con&s;cience,</HI> before God the <HI>Righteous Judge</HI> of heaven, and earth.</P>
<P>After long waiting, they obtained acce&s;&s;e, and all <HI>Twelve</HI> be|ing pre&s;ent together, <HI>one,</HI> (as the mouth of them) delivered the <HI>me&s;&s;age,</HI> but the word <HI>DEMAND</HI> would not go down wel, but the Lord <HI>Cromwel</HI> told them, that Mr. <HI>Feak</HI> and Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> &s;uffer|ed not for <HI>con&s;cience,</HI> but as <HI>evil-doers</HI> and <HI>bu&s;ie bodies in other mens matters.</HI> One of the <HI>Twelve</HI> then &s;aid, if &s;o, why were they not <HI>tryed</HI> by &s;ome <HI>known</HI> and <HI>ju&s;t law,</HI> and <HI>convicted for evil doers,</HI> but
<PB N="4" REF="8">to keep them there in &s;o long and <HI>cruell Impri&s;onment,</HI> without &s;hewing <HI>cau&s;e,</HI> was contrary to <HI>Gods law,</HI> and the <HI>ju&s;t laws</HI> of men, be&s;ides, they were &s;ick, and weakly men; but he &s;aid he would put it to an <HI>I&s;&s;ue</HI> upon <HI>Friday</HI> or <HI>Tue&s;day</HI> (as he &s;aid) Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> &s;hould be brought before him: On the &s;ixth day of <HI>this twelfth Moneth,</HI> being the third day of the week, the <HI>Bre|thren</HI> and &s;i&s;ters (many of them) of the <HI>Society</HI> met together, (and with much difficulty) got into the <HI>pri&s;on</HI> to pray with Mr. <HI>Rogers,</HI> which they continued till between <HI>three</HI> and <HI>four of the clock,</HI> and then they were called away by the <HI>Gaoler</HI> to go to <HI>White-Hall,</HI> according to his <HI>Lord Protectors Order;</HI> &s;o that in the <HI>name</HI> of (another) the <HI>Lord Protectour</HI> of <HI>heaven</HI> and <HI>earth,</HI> the great <HI>Jehovah</HI> (who&s;e face they had &s;o &s;olemnly and &s;o often &s;ought for his pre&s;ence with them) Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> &s;et out of <HI>Lambeth,</HI> along with <HI>Harding</HI> his Keeper, <NOTE PLACE="marg">Febr. <HI>6.</HI> la&s;t <HI>1654.</HI></NOTE> and the re&s;t from the <HI>Church-&s;ociety</HI> (twenty Brethren being the mo&s;t) going along with him, much rejoycing as they went (according to <HI>Acts</HI> 5.41.) <HI>that they were &s;o honoured</HI> to be called <HI>before</HI> men, for the <HI>Name,</HI> Faith, and <HI>Cau&s;e</HI> of <HI>Je&s;us,</HI> and when they came to <HI>Whitehall Bridge,</HI> others of the <HI>dear Saints</HI> of <HI>&s;everal Churches,</HI> waiting with tears and prayers, and acclamations, partly of joy, and partly of grief to receive him, and with an unamimous Suffrage, and &s;ignal tokens of love to him, and to this ble&s;&s;ed Cau&s;e he &s;uffers in, they prayed the Lords pre&s;ence to accompany him; &s;o we pa&s;&s;ed by, and Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> was by his <HI>Keeper</HI> carried into the Chamber hard by the Councel Chamber, but the Keeper onely had admittance into the long Gallery, to give notice, that the Pri&s;oner was there, but by and by he came out again, and told Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> and his friends, that they mu&s;t all go down again, and go through the Guard chamber, but Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> an&s;wered that was &s;trange, be|ing come &s;o near, where the <HI>Great Man</HI> was, they mu&s;t now go down to go through the <HI>Guard Chamber,</HI> and about again, but the Keeper an&s;wered, they mu&s;t do it, he had order for it, which he did, not in the lea&s;t re&s;i&s;ting, but the main end was as they found afterwards, to try whether they were <HI>&s;word-proof</HI> or no: So by force, Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> and his friends were carried the other way, back again through the Guard-Chamber, many o|ther people flocked about them, the <HI>Keeeper</HI> going foremo&s;t, Mr.
<PB N="5" REF="8"><HI>Rogers</HI> (and his wife next to him) and his friends following clo&s;e after him, untill they came up to the Guard Chamber|doore, immediately was the word of Command given to the Guard, who a&s;&s;oon as they &s;aw them and us coming in, fell foul|ly upon us with their &s;words, and their Halberds, &s;aying, <NOTE PLACE="marg">The har&s;h u&s;age of the poore, per|&s;ecuted fi&s;th Monarchy-men.</NOTE> <HI>Keep back, Keep back,</HI> to which Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> an&s;wered with all his heart he would go back, (but his Keeper would not let him) we al|&s;o &s;aid, if they would give us liberty we would go back as fa&s;t as we could, but they wruld not hear us, but fell upon us with a word and a blow, &s;la&s;hing and &s;triking in a mo&s;t violent manner, calling us Rogues, damned Rogues, and evacuating the mo&s;t ve|nomous words in their bellies, <HI>&amp;c.</HI> but we told them, not one of us had a weapon, but the Bible, (in their hands &s;ome had) and &s;o we told them, but &s;ome &s;aid, the <HI>&s;word of the Spirit would be too hard for them one day,</HI> which occa&s;ioned them to be the more vio|lent, who &s;truck (to choo&s;e) at their Bibles, hands, and heads, and &s;o followed them, &s;ighting, &s;la&s;hing and beating the poore, naked Chri&s;tians all the way into the Court again, and there laying about them too, and &s;aying they cared not for their Bi|bles, &s;till inculcating, in&s;ulting, and calling us damned Rogues, and cur&s;ed dogs, and the like, but Mr. <HI>Rogers,</HI> and two or three more were &s;hut in among their &s;words, whiles the re&s;t of the brethren were kept without in the Court, and did with very much patience bear all their railings, reproachings &s;coffs, &s;corns, flouts, jeers and injuries, offered them all the while by the Souldiers, and others of the Court-creatures, in the mean time <HI>Mr. Rogers,</HI> with two or three more, were brought into the Chamber of <HI>Henry</HI> the eighth, where were many Gentle|men of the Court complexion; &s;ome excu&s;ing the afore&s;aid vio|lence and a&s;&s;ault, &s;aying it was by accident, to which he an|&s;wered, he conceived it not, but that it was rather a plot, and for ought he knew, there might be a de&s;igne to murder &s;ome or other, for the word was given <HI>to fall on,</HI> and it is conceived by mo&s;t, that they did it on purpo&s;e to rai&s;e us to a mutiny, that &s;o they might have had (at lea&s;t in appearance or pretence) &s;ome (or a more) Ju&s;t Cau&s;e again&s;t Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> and his friends in <HI>Church fellow&s;hip</HI> with him, for the <HI>Guardians</HI> confe&s;&s;e they did but as they were commanded. While&s;t &s;ome were excu&s;ing this af|front
<PB N="6" REF="9">put upon Chri&s;t and his per&s;ecuted Churches, others &s;aid it was good enough for us, and it was pity we were not wor&s;e u&s;ed than we were, Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> in the <HI>interim</HI> was talking with others, and two of the Guard told him how &s;orry they were their fellows were &s;o rough, and drew their &s;words, &s;la&s;hing &s;o fiercely, and what a mercy it was, no more mi&s;chief was done, &s;eeing they had the command given them to do what they did, and that it was the readine&s;&s;e of &s;ome among&s;t them again&s;t us, e&s;pecially the <HI>outlandi&s;h.</HI>&mdash;There was a &s;hort di&s;cour&s;e between Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> and &s;ome others.</P>
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<SPEAKER>A.S.</SPEAKER>
<P>Why did you come up there?</P>
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<SP>
<SPEAKER>Mr. R.</SPEAKER>
<P>We were &s;ent for, and commanded to come; yea, brought by force upon you, <NOTE PLACE="marg">Nota.</NOTE> and by your Ma&s;ters Command, who fell a &s;la&s;hing us with your <HI>&s;words,</HI> &s;o that it is probable, it was a <HI>De&s;ign</HI> again&s;t us on purpo&s;e; el&s;e why &s;hould <HI>peaceable men,</HI> that had no kind of <HI>weapons</HI> in their <HI>hands</HI> (or about them) with|out <HI>&s;word</HI> or <HI>&s;tuffe,</HI> but onely the <HI>Bibles</HI> with us poore naked <HI>men,</HI> and <HI>women</HI> be forced (by <HI>Order</HI> and <HI>command</HI> to come before your <HI>Ma&s;ter</HI>) and be thus abu&s;ed, affronted, &s;la&s;hed and driven into <HI>dangers,</HI> but the Lord is righteous who will judge!</P>
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<SP>
<SPEAKER>W.F.</SPEAKER>
<P>But why came you with &s;o many?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>We were &s;ent for and commanded, and tho&s;e that came are Chri&s;tians, and <HI>Church-members,</HI> no wayes <HI>uncivil</HI> or di&s;or|<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="OXF" EXTENT="1 letter">drly.</P>
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<SP>
<SPEAKER>A.S.</SPEAKER>
<P>Well, its well it was no wor&s;e!</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>It was the <HI>Lord</HI> that made it &s;o, <NOTE PLACE="marg">For &s;o it was to to the late King and his court when his Me&s;&s;engers, and Guard|men fell upon the Ci|tizens with their &s;words at the gate, there was his blood &s;hed.</NOTE> in who&s;e <HI>name</HI> we came, and he hath delivered us from your <HI>Fury,</HI> and the rage of the <HI>&s;word,</HI> for they &s;truck with rage, fury and high purpo&s;e, to do more <HI>mi&s;chief</HI> than they did, but it is Heb. 11. <HI>By faith they ob|tained promi&s;es, e&s;caped the edge of the &s;word,</HI> &amp;c. and &s;o-have we e&s;ca|ped <HI>Yours.</HI> (though &s;ome do bear the <HI>mark,</HI> but the <HI>Lord Je&s;us</HI> will reward them when he comes.)</P>
<P>And you &s;ee <HI>Gentlemen,</HI> your <HI>&s;word</HI> cuts bluntly, and doth little execution upon the poove <HI>fifth Monarchy men,</HI> though they be but naked, and <HI>unarmed,</HI> and it may be, this bu&s;ine&s;&s;e will be <HI>ominous</HI> to you in this place.</P>
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<SP>
<SPEAKER>A.S.</SPEAKER>
<P>We wonder to &s;ee &s;o many <HI>women,</HI> and what they meant.</P>
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<PB N="7" REF="9">
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>And are ye &s;o <HI>fearfull?</HI> It may be, it is true then what we hear, that the barking of a dog lately (running about the yard) gave you a very great <HI>alarm,</HI> &s;eeing the &s;ight of a <HI>few women</HI> hath frighted you &s;o pitifully, as to draw your <HI>&s;words</HI> upon them and hurt them: alas poor hearts! you are pitifully <HI>affrighted</HI> it &s;eems! what would you have done then at the <HI>&s;ight</HI> of weapons, if a few <HI>white aprons</HI> makes you flie to your <HI>&s;words</HI> and <HI>Halberds;</HI></P>
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<P> but by and by came a <HI>Gentleman Me&s;&s;enger</HI> to Mr. <HI>Rogers,</HI> &s;aying, that his <HI>Lord</HI> was at lea&s;ure to &s;peak with him, but the Keeper at the doore &s;uffered none to go in with him, &s;ave whom they li&s;ted. <HI>One</HI> of the <HI>Twelve</HI> that was &s;ent for, going in with Mr. <HI>Rogers,</HI> a <HI>Guard-man</HI> &s;tanding by, took him by the <HI>&s;houlders</HI> in a very <HI>Ho&s;tile manner,</HI> and tore his <HI>cleak</HI> off his <HI>back,</HI> and abu&s;ed him, but Mr. <HI>Rogers,</HI> and three or four more, went into the <HI>Chamber</HI> where their <HI>Great Ma&s;ter</HI> was, to whom &s;ome of his <HI>Court-Sycophants</HI> had told &s;uch <HI>tales,</HI> as they u&s;ed to do, to <HI>ju&s;tifie</HI> them&s;elves, and complained fir&s;t, which is the <HI>Machiavillian Poli|cy,</HI> and <HI>Principle,</HI> as if we had intended a <HI>tumult,</HI> which was a thing our &s;ouls abhorred, and a mo&s;t <HI>impudent</HI> untruth, for there was not one had a <HI>weapon</HI> or <HI>&s;taffe</HI> with them, or &s;pake one <HI>un|civil word;</HI> but after Mr. <HI>Rogers,</HI> with three or four more were brought into the <HI>Room</HI> by <HI>Serjeant Dendy,</HI> the <HI>Great man</HI> had with him <HI>two Gentlemen</HI> more, who &s;tood by the <HI>fire-&s;ide,</HI> and a <HI>Pi&s;tol</HI> lay prepared at the <HI>Window,</HI> where he him&s;elf at <HI>fir&s;t</HI> was, then he came to the <HI>fire-&s;ide</HI> in great <HI>Maje&s;ty,</HI> without moving or &s;hewing the lea&s;t <HI>civility</HI> of a man, though all &s;tood bare to him, and gave re&s;pect; by and by he <HI>&s;pake,</HI> and bid one call in two or three more of the <HI>Church-Saciety,</HI> or of the <HI>Twelve</HI> that had been with him before, when the <HI>DEMAND</HI> was made; whiles they were gone for them, &s;aith he,</P>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.C.</SPEAKER>
<P>I &s;ent for &s;ome of you; Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> and &s;ome more of the <HI>Church,</HI> but you bring with you about 250 <HI>men</HI> to make <HI>tumults</HI> and <HI>ri&s;ings;</HI> therefore &s;end them away, or I will not <HI>&s;peak</HI> one word,</P>
</SP>
<P> to which Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> an&s;wered, and to give him a civil re&s;pect, &s;aid my Lord,</P>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>You are ruled much by <HI>informations</HI> which you take upon the reports of them about you, whether <HI>true</HI> or <HI>ful&s;e,</HI> which brings the <HI>Lords people</HI> into &s;o much trouble by you, but there is no &s;uch <HI>matter.</HI></P>
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<PB N="8" REF="10">
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P>Hi! You will talk I &s;ee, although it be nothing to pur|po&s;e, who &s;peaks to you! with that he turns to one of his <HI>Crea|tures,</HI> &s;aying, <HI>What &s;ay you,</HI> is there not &s;o many?</P>
</SP>
<P>Servant, <HI>His Servant an&s;wered yes, and it plea&s;e your Highne&s;&s;e, there's above</HI> 100. <HI>below, and it is to be feared, they might have made a Tumult.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>If they mu&s;t be believed, they mu&s;t, yet this I may &s;ay, I think there are not thirty men that belong to us, and be&s;ides, they are all <HI>peaceable Chri&s;tians,</HI> related to us in the <HI>Faith</HI> of the <HI>Go&s;pel,</HI> all unarmed, apprehending your order and command to reach them, and they are onely tho&s;e with us, as have been this <HI>day</HI> together, &s;eeking the <HI>face</HI> of the <HI>Lord,</HI> and now accord|ing to your <HI>Order</HI> at <HI>four a clock</HI> attending here.</P>
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<P>But by this time <HI>Company</HI> was coming in apace into the <HI>room,</HI> <NOTE PLACE="marg">The Room fills with the Cour|tiers.</NOTE> at both <HI>doores,</HI> but all were <HI>Court-Creatures,</HI> to the number of four&s;core or more (as we conceive) either of the <HI>Councel,</HI> Ar|my men, <HI>Lawyers</HI> and <HI>Coun&s;ellours,</HI> or of his <HI>Creatures</HI> that were his <HI>Mini&s;ters,</HI> or new made <HI>Gentlemen,</HI> or the like, but not one of them related to Mr. <HI>Rogers,</HI> or that <HI>Church-Society,</HI> till at la&s;t with much adoe, two or three more were <HI>crowded</HI> in of them, but all the re&s;t were left waiting <HI>below</HI> in the <HI>Yard,</HI> abu&s;ed, &s;coffed, hi&s;|&s;ed and whooted at by &s;ome of the Souldiers, as will appear by and by.</P>
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<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P>I promi&s;ed to &s;end for you, <NOTE PLACE="marg">He begins his long Speech with manife&s;t re|proaching, and mani|fold un|truths.</NOTE> for &s;ome of your <HI>friends</HI> came and &s;pake <HI>&s;harply</HI> to me, as it I had <HI>Apo&s;tated</HI> from the cau&s;e of Chri&s;t, and <HI>per&s;ecuting</HI> godly <HI>Mini&s;ters,</HI> naming Mr. <HI>Rogers,</HI> and Mr. <HI>Feak,</HI> and &s;pake other things that were <HI>&s;harp</HI> enough, you might have had patience in your words.</P>
<P>Now you have liberty to &s;peak to tho&s;e things, but do not a|bu&s;e your liberty, you told me Mr. <HI>R.</HI> &s;uffered &s;on the <HI>Go&s;pel,</HI> I told you he &s;uffered as a <HI>Railer,</HI> s a <HI>Seducer,</HI> and a <HI>Bu&s;ie Body</HI> in o|ther mens matters, and a &s;tirrer up of <HI>&s;edition,</HI> which <HI>Rulers</HI> (led by ju&s;t principles) might &s;uppre&s;&s;, I told you <HI>Mr. Rogers</HI> &s;uffer|ed ju&s;tly, and not for the <HI>Te&s;timony</HI> of <HI>Je&s;us Chri&s;t,</HI> and indeed in &s;ome degree it is <HI>Bla&s;phemy,</HI> to call &s;uffering for <HI>evil do|ing,</HI> &s;uffering for the <HI>Go&s;pel,</HI> and if he &s;uffers for <HI>Reailing,</HI> and de|&s;pi&s;ing tho&s;e that <HI>God</HI> hath &s;et over us, to &s;ay this his <HI>&s;uffering</HI> <GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="OXF" EXTENT="1 letter"> for the Go&s;pel, is making <HI>Chri&s;t</HI> the <HI>Patron</HI> of &s;uch <HI>things,</HI> but
<PB N="9" REF="10">if it were <HI>&s;uffering</HI> for the <HI>Go&s;pel,</HI> &s;omething might have been &s;aid, yet not &s;o much, as &s;aying uncharitably, he &s;uffered for evil-doing, &s;o that I &s;ay, this is the thing in Scripture, and if we &s;hew you, that you &s;uffer for <HI>tran&s;gre&s;&s;ion,</HI> then you abu&s;e that <HI>Scripture</HI> which I have often thought on, that it is <HI>to make a man an offendor for a word:</HI> I wi&s;h it were better under&s;tood in the plain|ne&s;&s;e of the &s;pirit, for to interpret that <HI>Scripture,</HI> it was the <HI>evil</HI> of tho&s;e <HI>times,</HI> <NOTE PLACE="marg">And is it not the evil of the&s;e Times? &s;o that he is condemned out of his own mouth, as in <HI>Luk. 19.22.</HI></NOTE> which was to <HI>he</HI> in <HI>wait</HI> for words on purpo&s;e to catch at <HI>words</HI> without <HI>actions,</HI> and that is a finne, but &s;ome words are <HI>actions,</HI> and words are conjugall with <HI>actions,</HI> for <HI>actions</HI> and <HI>words</HI> are as &s;harp as <HI>&s;words,</HI> and &s;uch things I charge you with, and you &s;uffer not for the te&s;timony of <HI>Je&s;us Chri&s;t;</HI> I &s;peak, God is my <HI>witne&s;&s;e,</HI> I know it that no <HI>man</HI> in <HI>England,</HI> does &s;uf|fer for the <HI>Te&s;timony</HI> of <HI>Je&s;us</HI> <NOTE N="*" PLACE="marg">It &s;eems when he &s;aid &s;o, be called God to witne&s;&s;e, M. <HI>Rogers</HI> tiffed up his hand and his eyes, ap|pealing to <HI>witne&s;&s;e</HI> al|&s;o, at which <HI>Po&s;ture</HI> he was offend|ed.</NOTE> nay do not lift up <HI>your hands</HI> and your eyes, for there is no man in <HI>England</HI> which &s;uffers &s;o; there are tho&s;e that are far better than Mr. <HI>Rogers,</HI> though compari|&s;ons are not good, and not near his <HI>principles,</HI> yet if they &s;hould <HI>&s;uffer</HI> for the <HI>Te&s;timony</HI> of <HI>Je&s;us:</HI> But there is &s;uch <HI>Liberty,</HI> I wi&s;h it be not <HI>abu&s;ed,</HI> that no man in <HI>England</HI> &s;uffereth for <HI>Chri&s;t,</HI> and it is not your <HI>Fancy,</HI> you mu&s;t bring &s;trong words to acquaint me of your <HI>&s;harp expre&s;&s;ions.</HI></P>
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<P>After he had &s;pake, and all were &s;ilent, Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> de&s;ired to <HI>know</HI> of him whom he expected to reply, whether him&s;elf or &s;ome other, the an&s;wer to, who would.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Rogers,</SPEAKER>
<P>Do you expect me to an&s;wer, I will promi&s;e this be|fore I &s;peak further, I have been twenty &s;even weeks a pri&s;oner, my (brother <HI>Feak</HI> above a year) and there hath been no Charge again&s;t me; but now I am brought before you, I de&s;ire to know in what capacity I &s;tand before you, as a Pri&s;oner, or as a Free|man, as a <HI>Chri&s;tian</HI> to a <HI>Chri&s;tian</HI> with equall <HI>Freedome</HI> that o|thers have, or as a <HI>&s;lave.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>O P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>A</HI> Pri&s;oner <HI>is a</HI> Free man, <HI>as Chri&s;t hath made you</HI> free, <HI>and &s;o you are a</HI> Free man.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>Its true indeed (my Lord) and yet I mu&s;t &s;ay, as &s;ome Gentlemen here pre&s;ent know I did before I was <HI>impri&s;oned</HI>) and when they would have had me meet in <HI>Coleman&s;treet</HI> to di&s;|cour&s;e our <HI>Principles,</HI> upon which we &s;uffer) that it is unrea&s;o|nable to de&s;ire it at the <HI>di&s;advantages</HI> we meet with, &s;eeing they
<PB N="10" REF="11">who are our <HI>Antagoni&s;ts</HI> have the advantage of a <HI>Law new made,</HI> <NOTE PLACE="marg">Mr <HI>Rogers</HI> told him, that Ordi|nance ma|king Trea|&s;on for words was &s;uch us <HI>Q. Mary</HI> her &s;elf (as bloody as &s;he was) would ab|hor, as ap|pears in Hollin&s;hed in the <HI>1.</HI> year of her reign, which made their Tyranny wor&s;e than the Roman Tyranny.</NOTE> which they call an <HI>Ordinance of Trea&s;on,</HI> (to la&s;h us with) as a Ma&s;ter hath his rod in his hand <HI>over-awing</HI> his <HI>School-boyes,</HI> &s;o that it is a very unju&s;t and unequall thing, that they &s;hould &s;peak as <HI>Free men,</HI> and we as <HI>&s;laves,</HI> under an over-awing: but if that Law be repealed, though but <HI>pro tempore,</HI> during &s;uch debates, and we be re&s;tored to our ju&s;t and equal liberty with the <HI>Adver|&s;aries,</HI> &s;o as to engage on <HI>even ground,</HI> we are ready to argue it with them, when and where they will, but till then it is unrea|&s;onable, for every word we &s;peak, may be a &s;nare to us.</P>
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<SPEAKER>O P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>I know not what &s;nare may be in this&mdash; Are you &s;o afraid of</HI> Snares? <HI>what need you fear, that will &s;peak &s;o boldly?</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>I ble&s;&s;e the Lord, I fear them not, nor the force of any men or Devils in the&s;e <HI>matters</HI> of my <HI>Faith</HI> and <HI>Con&s;cience,</HI> for which I &s;uffer, yet I &s;hould be loath to run into <HI>Snares,</HI> which <HI>Di&s;putes</HI> have been to the people of God; for <HI>Stephen Acts</HI> 6. be|fore he was tryed for his life, he was fir&s;t <HI>en&s;nared</HI> by <HI>Di&s;putes,</HI> and then brought to the <HI>Councel,</HI> tryed and arraigned for his life, and they murthered and de&s;troyed him: and in Queen <HI>Maries dayes,</HI> before they put any to death, they begun it cunningly with en&s;naring di&s;cour&s;es in the <HI>Convocation-hou&s;e,</HI> and &s;o gather|ed <HI>matter</HI> to take their lives away, and murther them.</P>
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<SPEAKER>O P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>You are afraid of</HI> Snares <HI>and advantages taken for your life, when there is no &s;uch thing, but I tell you</HI> upon <HI>your</HI> Friends Petition <HI>I &s;ent for you to &s;aisfie them, that you &s;uffer, as an</HI> evil-doer.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>Say you &s;o (my Lord) that is more than ever I heard before, nor dare I take this liberty upon that account of <HI>Petitioning,</HI> for it, but that I believe the Lord will help me by his own Spirit to an&s;wer, as indeed I have not &s;tudied a <HI>Form of words</HI> for you, though you have prepared <HI>Matter</HI> <NOTE N="*" PLACE="marg">That they &s;eemed to do all this in ju&s;tice, and by ap|peal and free Courts. At this they were next and look on one another.</NOTE> again&s;t me (I hear) but I am in the &s;trongth of the <HI>anointing</HI>) ready to an&s;wer. <NOTE PLACE="marg"><HI>O.</HI> was troubled at that word, and &s;aid Preparation ha! what? but it is well known what for &s;everal dayes were the Informations (&s;ome lay on the Table) a gathering again&s;t him, and the pri&s;oners (put in for plotting) had by one <HI>Mea&s;ie</HI> a Charge to get all their papers reade upon the <HI>30.</HI> day of the <HI>11.</HI> month la&s;t, who were very bu&s;ie to get them, and are we bear a gathering more; for when Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> is forced to preach out at the Window to the Members of the Church, and tho&s;e that come to bear him, the&s;e wicked and bloody beast-like men, have liberty to come in|to a room under him to write what they can catch or forge, or patch together, though all the week long they are in an other room, at the further end of the hou&s;e day and night &s;inging, &s;wear|ing, ranting, drinking, fidling, bla&s;pheming day and night, to go out in the night, yea without a Keeper, to carry on the de&s;igne.</NOTE></P>
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<PB N="11" REF="11">
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<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>Ab we know you are ready enough.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>Yea, although I have made no other <HI>preparation,</HI> than <HI>Faith</HI> in the promi&s;es (however &s;ome may &s;coffe at them) yet I have (I ble&s;&s;e the Lord) the comfort of them, and hope I &s;hall have the benefit of that promi&s;e, (which I have the Seal of in my heart) in Mat. 10. <HI>Take no care what to &s;ay, for in that houre, &s;hall it be given unto you;</HI> therefore I doubt not, but to &s;peak to you and them about you, in the <HI>name</HI> of the Lord Je&s;us, and in the demon&s;tration of his <HI>holy Spirit. [be was inter|rupted.]</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>Take head you do not abu&s;e the Scripture, if you be &s;uch a</HI> Di&s;|ciple, <HI>then that promi&s;e &s;hall be made good unto you, and then you may &s;ay, you &s;uffer for Chri&s;t.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>I doubt not but that will appear, that I am his <HI>Di&s;ciple,</HI> who made me that promi&s;e, and if we be not able to make it out to unbya&s;&s;ed man, that we &s;uffer for Chri&s;t and a good con&s;ci|ence &s;ake, by Gods holy word, then chop off my h<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="OXF" EXTENT="1 letter">ad: but in|deed (my Lord) we can clear it to all the <HI>World,</HI> would they hear us, and not handle us &s;o <HI>roughly</HI> as you do, for we have had a very dangerous <HI>pa&s;&s;age</HI> to you, this day, an <HI>ardua via</HI> through Swords and Halberds.</P>
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<SPEAKER>O. P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>Indeed? &s;ayes he (<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="OXF" EXTENT="1 word"> a &s;coffe) and I pray who was</HI> wounded?</P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>It was a mercy there were no more hurt, though many were brui&s;ed, beaten and hurt, and among others my <HI>Wife,</HI> but who the re&s;t be, (as yet I know not.)</P>
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<SPEAKER>O. P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>No &s;o I think! but I have no time to di&s;pute tho&s;e things.</HI></P>
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<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>Why then, I &s;ay, as I &s;aid before, my <HI>way</HI> mu&s;t be clear, before I can proceed further, for if they <HI>petitioned</HI> I have done, and dare not an&s;wer a word on that ground, becau&s;e I repre&s;ent <HI>thou&s;ands</HI> of the poore <HI>Saints,</HI> who are one with me in this cau&s;e, who&s;e Tru&s;t I cannot, I dare not betray.</P>
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<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>Then we have done;&mdash;for I tell you, you came here by ade&s;ire, I told them I would put it to the i&s;&s;ue this meeting, and that I would prove it you &s;uffered for</HI> evil-doing.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>That will not be &s;o ea&s;ily done, But (my Lord) I &s;peak as I hope, I am a <HI>civil man,</HI> and in &s;ome mea&s;ure a <HI>rational man,</HI> and
<PB N="12" REF="12">I tru&s;t through grace, I am a <HI>Chri&s;tian,</HI> nor doth <HI>Chri&s;tianity</HI> de|&s;troy <HI>civility,</HI> and yet I mu&s;t &s;ay again that I care hither by the <HI>De&s;ire</HI> or <HI>Reque&s;t</HI> of my friends. I &s;hall not, I will not &s;peak a word any farther, than to tell you my rea&s;ons; For <HI>I</HI> would not have any friend <HI>petition</HI> for me, where in and to whom I can|not with a good <HI>con&s;cience</HI> petition for my &s;elf, now in the <HI>mat|ters of faith</HI> and truth for which we &s;uffer) we cannot petition to you, for we are not <HI>Debtors</HI> to <HI>man,</HI> but to <HI>God,</HI> who is the <HI>Law giver,</HI> and only <HI>proper</HI> judge therein, and therefore we <HI>petition</HI> to the <HI>Lord Jehovah</HI> our Judge, then 2. If they did &s;o, they did not an&s;wer the tru&s;t, the Church, whereto they are related, <HI>repo&s;ed</HI> in them; for it was &s;et upon their hearts as an incumbent point of duty to Chri&s;t and his Churches to make <HI>Demand</HI> of the Lords pri&s;oners in the <HI>name</HI> of the Lord <HI>Je&s;us,</HI> whom you and <HI>your pow|ers</HI> have &s;o <HI>unchri&s;tianly,</HI> and indeed with <HI>wor&s;e</HI> than <HI>Roman Tyran|ny</HI> rent and torn from the <HI>Churches,</HI> &s;o that if they made a <HI>petition</HI> to you, I am &s;ilent, and &s;hall &s;ay no more, as I &s;aid before.</P>
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<SPEAKER>B.C.</SPEAKER>
<P>(One of the Twelve) I &s;hall lay open the <HI>whole &s;tate</HI> of the <HI>bu&s;ine&s;&s;e,</HI> for we are intru&s;ted with a <HI>Me&s;&s;age</HI> from our <HI>Society,</HI> and did but according to our <HI>tru&s;t,</HI> make the <HI>Demand,</HI> and bear our <HI>Te&s;timony,</HI> and made no reque&s;t at all to you, but when you &s;aid, our <HI>Brother Rogers</HI> &s;uffered as an <HI>evil-doer,</HI> we &s;aid then, why do you not make it appear, and you &s;aid, you would on <HI>Friday</HI> or <HI>Tue&s;day,</HI> and this was <HI>all.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>Well! Who &s;ayes it is more? who &s;ayes you Petitioned? I told you he &s;uffered as an</HI> evill doer, <HI>as a</HI> Railer, <HI>as a</HI> Seducer.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>But your words are not <HI>proofs,</HI> my Lord! but yet &s;eeing my way is more clear now, I &s;hall &s;ay &s;omewhat more: there is no law of God nor yet of man, that makes me &s;uch an <HI>Offender:</HI> But yours which is wor&s;e than the <HI>Roman Law</HI> and <HI>Tyranny,</HI> that makes a man a <NOTE N="*" PLACE="marg">See their Ordinance for Trea&s;on.</NOTE> <HI>Traitor</HI> for words.</P>
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<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>Who cals you a Traitor? I call you not: &s;ee, I believe you &s;peak many things according to the Go&s;pel; but you &s;uffer for evil-doing.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>The Go&s;pel of the Kingdome may occa&s;ionable be &s;o ac|counted and judged, for as Chri&s;t our Saviour &s;aith, <HI>I came not to &s;end peace but the &s;word,</HI> the <HI>doctrine of Chri&s;t</HI> by the <HI>powers</HI> of the <HI>world</HI> hath ever been <HI>reputed,</HI> &s;edition, railing, lying and &s;peaking evill of <HI>dignities.</HI></P>
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<PB N="13" REF="12">
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<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>I grieve that you call this the</HI> go&s;pel, <HI>for every one is ready to come and &s;ay, this is the</HI> go&s;pel, <HI>with words in their mouths; and &s;ay, this is the meaning of the Scripture; but there wants the power of godli|ne&s;&s;e: for Chri&s;t and his Di&s;ciples will not &s;peak evill of no man.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>Yea, they did &s;peak again&s;t <HI>&s;inners as &s;inners,</HI> which is no <HI>evill &s;peaking:</HI> But who made you the Judge of the <HI>Scriptures</HI> (my bord?) what ever you &s;ay it &s;hall never appear (I tru&s;t) to the Saints, or unbya&s;ed <HI>di&s;cerning men,</HI> that I &s;uffer as an <HI>evill doer,</HI> what ever you &s;ay, or &s;uppose; I can make it appear, it is an e&s;&s;ential, Fundamental <HI>Principle</HI> of <HI>Faith,</HI> which is now under <HI>Per&s;ecution,</HI> <NOTE PLACE="marg">What the te&s;timony is they &s;uffer in.</NOTE> and for which we &s;uffer, <HI>viz.</HI> The <HI>Kingly Office of Chri&s;t,</HI> and tho&s;e that deny that truth (for, &amp; in which we &s;uffer) are indeed Here|ticks (and not we:) It is true, this <HI>pre&s;ent te&s;timony,</HI> for Chri&s;ts Kingly <HI>Intere&s;t</HI> hath two parts, <HI>viz.</HI> The Po&s;itive and the Priva|tive; now for the la&s;t it is we &s;uffer, and not for <HI>evil-doing.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>Why, who will hinder you Preaching the Go&s;pel of Chri&s;t? yea,</HI> <NOTE PLACE="marg">How knows be that, for he hears him not preach?</NOTE> <HI>his Per&s;onal Raign? who will hinder? you &s;peak of high Nations, but you do not</HI> preach <HI>the</HI> go&s;pel <HI>to build up</HI> &s;ouls <HI>in Chri&s;t.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>I know my Lord, that you are a <HI>Sophi&s;ter,</HI> <NOTE N="*" PLACE="marg">With that the Officers and them pre&s;ent &s;cof|fed &amp; &s;ome gna&s;hed with their teeth at the Pri&s;oner.</NOTE> and &s;o it &s;eems for a part of the <HI>truth,</HI> we may preach, but not the whole, not the Go&s;pel of the kingdom preached for a <HI>Witne&s;&s;e,</HI> as Mat. 24.14. to witne&s;&s;e again&s;t the crying &s;ins of men in power, or out of pow|er; for that &s;eems to &s;trike at your <HI>Intere&s;t</HI> too much.</P>
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<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>Why, what</HI> intere&s;t <HI>is mine?</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>A <HI>worldly intere&s;t</HI> which God will de&s;troy.</P>
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<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>Ha!&mdash; and do you judge me?</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>Yea, by the <HI>word of the Lord</HI> in the maj<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="OXF" EXTENT="1 letter">&s;ty, might, &s;trength, power, vigour, life and <HI>Authority</HI> of the <HI>Holy Gho&s;t,</HI> I can do, and dare. <HI>Judge</HI> you and your <HI>actions,</HI> 1 Cor. 2. The <HI>&s;piritual man jugdeth all things, while&s;t he him&s;elf is judged of no man;</HI> Be&s;ides, I am called by the Holy Gho&s;t, which hath appointed me to preach the Go|&s;pel to judge &s;ins.</P>
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<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>And who will hinder you to preach the Go&s;pel, or to do &s;o? &s;peak again&s;t</HI> Sin <HI>as much as you will.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>You do from <HI>preaching</HI> that part of the Go&s;pel which de|cries the publike &s;ins of the times or of men in <HI>Powers, Armies, &amp;c.</HI> neither is it as you &s;ay, a rayling, lying, or &s;peaking evill of <HI>dig|nities;</HI> for the word <HI>rayling</HI> in <HI>Jude</HI> 9. is <GAP DESC="foreign">, now this is
<PB N="14" REF="13">no <HI>bla&s;phemy</HI> to &s;peak the truth or again&s;t evils, nor is it <HI>railing</HI> to call a man as he is, to call a <HI>drunkard,</HI> a <HI>drunkard,</HI> is no <HI>rayling;</HI> to call a <HI>Whore-ma&s;ter,</HI> <NOTE PLACE="marg">What &s;ort of informers will &s;erve against <HI>5^t^h</HI> Monarchy-men.</NOTE> a <HI>Whore-ma&s;ter,</HI> is no <HI>rayling;</HI> to call a <HI>Thief,</HI> a <HI>Thief,</HI> to call an <HI>Apo&s;tate,</HI> an <HI>Apo&s;tate,</HI> is no <HI>rayling;</HI> but to call <HI>one</HI> &s;o, that is not &s;o is <HI>rayling.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>To call an</HI> hone&s;t man <HI>a thief is</HI> rayling, <HI>to call an hone&s;t man a</HI> Whore-ma&s;ter <HI>is</HI> rayling; <HI>though I do know you have</HI> truths <HI>of Chri&s;t in you, yet I will prove you &s;uffer for</HI> rayling, <HI>lying, and as</HI> a rai|&s;er <HI>of</HI> &s;edition; <HI>and I told them that I would have you &s;ent<NOTE N="*" PLACE="marg">He &s;aid there was no &s;uch word in his Speech, but &s;ee it <HI>p. 13. It is &s;ome &s;atis|faction, if a Common|wealth mu&s;t peri&s;h that it pe|ri&s;h by men and not by the hands of per&s;ons, (&s;peaking of the plot|ters)</HI> differ|ing little from bea&s;ts.</NOTE> for, to &s;a|tisfie them.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>If that you &s;ay, can be made to appear, it is fit I &s;hould &s;uffer; but as <HI>Reygnold</HI> &s;aid, <HI>Nihil e&s;t quin male interpretando po&s;&s;it de|pravari.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>This will appear in the</HI> Informations <HI>that are upon the Table there, what a rayler you are; and therefore let them be read (&s;ayes he to &s;ome by him) for there be many of them, the Witne&s;&s;es and the Evidences all are ready, it will appeare ea&s;ily, and out of the Pri&s;on &s;uch Informati|ons, Evidences there are brought in, let them be read.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>Your <HI>Informations</HI> will not make it appear (ere the more) to <HI>ju&s;t men:</HI> I looked to have had a <HI>fair tryal</HI> or a Chri&s;tian debate; But this is otherwi&s;e, &s;eeing <HI>men</HI> that are hired or any other wayes <HI>ba&s;ely &s;uborned</HI> do inform again&s;t me: as for them out of Pri&s;on, it is a &s;igne that your cau&s;e is not very good, that needs &s;uch Informers; as the Pri&s;oners at <HI>Lambeth,</HI> they are &s;uch as you your &s;elf have put in for <HI>plotting</HI> again&s;t you, left they &s;hould cut your <HI>Throat,</HI> and of whom you (your &s;elf) have &s;aid in your la&s;t <HI>Speech,</HI> that they differed little from <HI>Bea&s;ts,</HI> <NOTE N="*" PLACE="marg">Meaning, now ano|ther Paper of informa|tions of what was preached at <HI>Thomas A|po&s;tles,</HI> that al&s;o lay up|on the Ta|ble with the other out of <HI>Lam|beth</HI>-pri&s;on At who&s;e confidence Mr, <HI>Rogers</HI> with admi|ration lift|ed up his eys &amp; hands</NOTE> and yet you can take their <HI>Informations</HI> again&s;t me, yea, drunkards, &s;wearers, <HI>whoremongers,</HI> Cavaliers, <HI>Ranters,</HI> any men that make nothing to <HI>lye,</HI> &s;wear, <HI>drink,</HI> cur&s;e and banne, whore and <HI>bla&s;pheme,</HI> day and night, and what not? and yet the&s;e mu&s;t inform again&s;t me to take away my <HI>Life,</HI> the&s;e are but bad <HI>Evidences</HI> (my Lord) and be&s;ides, were they <HI>hone&s;t men,</HI> it were <HI>illegal.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>Nay they are</HI> hone&s;t, <HI>godly</HI> men <HI>that mourn over you, and that are troubled for you, that will</HI> witne&s;&s;e <HI>the&s;e things again&s;t you.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>I hardly believe <HI>hone&s;t men</HI> will accept of &s;uch an <HI>office,</HI> to inform again&s;t the poor <HI>people</HI> of God, and to &s;eek the <HI>blood</HI> of any one of <HI>Chri&s;ts</HI> little <HI>ones,</HI> but <HI>I</HI> rather believe, they are &s;ome of your
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<P><PB N="17" REF="13"><HI>hired men,</HI> who <HI>&s;eek</HI> for any <HI>&s;tuffe</HI> to gratifie your <HI>Ears;</HI> But might I but &s;tand on <HI>even ground</HI> with equal <HI>freedome,</HI> I would undertake to any <HI>unbia&s;&s;ed</HI> Chri&s;tian to make it appear that the &s;ubject mat|ter of our &s;uffering for the truth and te&s;timony of <HI>Je&s;us</HI> (our in|firmities excepted, which the Lord knows are many) and there|fore we mu&s;t <HI>overcome</HI> by the <HI>blood</HI> of the <HI>Lamb,</HI> and the <HI>word</HI> of the <HI>Te&s;timony,</HI> Rev. 12.</P>
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<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>Nay, but I know you well enough, I know you, and what your</HI> princi|ple <HI>is too, I know you that you never preached the</HI> Covenant of <HI>Grace, yea, I know it, I have had &s;ome di&s;cour&s;e with you formerly, I know you are ignorant of the Covenant</HI> <NOTE N="*" PLACE="marg">This being &s;poken in &s;uch confu|&s;ion of o|thers, &amp; the Great mans heat toge|ther, he was hardly heard but onely of them who stood nigh and wrote. One of his Courtiers made an|&s;wer, but he went on in his heat.</NOTE> <HI>nay for all your lifting up your eyes, it is &s;o.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>That is <HI>&s;trange</HI> you &s;hould judge &s;o; my condition were uncomfortable then indeed, if I did not know the <HI>Covenant</HI> of <HI>grace,</HI> yea, <HI>fruition,</HI> whiles it may be &s;ome, have a <HI>National</HI> di&s;cipli|nary or barely <HI>intuitive knowledge,</HI> there be many can te&s;tifie whe|ther I am &s;o <HI>ignorant</HI> or no of the Covenant (of <HI>Chri&s;t</HI>) who have been my hearers long ago, it is for a <HI>branch,</HI> yea a <HI>principal branch</HI> of the <HI>New Te&s;tament-Covenant,</HI> that we are per&s;ecuted as <HI>Acts</HI> 2.30. <HI>viz.</HI> that <HI>part</HI> that God hath <HI>&s;worn unto,</HI> to <HI>exalt Chri&s;t</HI> over all his <HI>enemies,</HI> and to make him <HI>King</HI> over al <HI>Nations;</HI> this <HI>Covenant</HI> of the <HI>Father</HI> to the <HI>Son,</HI> makes us grapple with the <HI>Bea&s;t,</HI> and conte&s;t &s;o as we do with the <HI>Powers</HI> of the <HI>world,</HI> though others are igno|rant of the <HI>Covenant.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>Nay I tell you I know you well enough, and I know your</HI> principles <HI>though you are but a</HI> young man, <HI>yet you have been in many</HI> places, <HI>and are known well enough.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>Yea, I am &s;o I hope, known of <HI>Chri&s;t</HI> too, and among&s;t o|ther places, I have been in the <HI>Field</HI> too again&s;t the <HI>common enemies,</HI> (that are now gotten &s;o high again) where (I think) I have done more for nothing, in meere con&s;cience for the Lord Chri&s;ts &s;ake, (never &s;eeking wages, as your mercenary men) than any of your Colonels can &s;ay. <NOTE N="*" PLACE="marg">Rai&s;ing men, arming him&s;elf and others, inga|ging in the field in Eng|land and Ireland &s;pending his e&s;tate, Kil|ling his cat|tel, for the Army freely expo&s;ing his per&s;on to great dangers freely.</NOTE></P>
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<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>You talk of that is nothing to the purpo&s;e.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>Kiffen.</SPEAKER>
<P>I cannot &s;ee my Lord, there will be any danger to have tho&s;e <HI>papers</HI> read, we de&s;ired to hear how it appears that Mr. <HI>Ro.</HI> &s;uffers as an <HI>Evil doer,</HI> and if it plea&s;e your Highne&s;&s;e, let tho&s;e in|formations be read, that are brought in there, that we may hear how it appears as your <HI>Highne&s;&s;e</HI> &s;ayes.</P>
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<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>Ah! &s;o I &s;ay, let them be read.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>My Lord, <NOTE PLACE="marg">Which Gen|tleman was Mr. <HI>Kiffen,</HI> who &s;ince with &s;ome of his Mem|bers) hath &s;landered him behind his back.</NOTE> that <HI>Gentleman</HI> &s;pake very <HI>&s;moothly,</HI> but we know now by <HI>experience,</HI> the greate&s;t <HI>Snares</HI> are couched under the <HI>&s;moo|the&s;t words;</HI> &s;o there is a great <HI>Snares</HI> in his for he de&s;ires them to be read, that they may judge therby whether I be an <HI>Evil-doer</HI> or not; &s;o that I thank the <HI>Gentleman</HI> for his <HI>charity,</HI> he &s;eems beforehand re&s;olved to judge me according to them, whther right or wrong, true or fal&s;e, or whatever they be, and whoever informs, and whether they can be proved or no again&s;t me, but I perceive by him he is &s;ome mercenary man, that hath &s;ome dependence upon you, and from &s;uch I look for no other: But the mo&s;t (my Lord) that can be &s;aid again&s;t me, is but an evil-<HI>&s;peaker</HI> (which by Gods a&s;&s;i&s;tance I tru&s;t in this matter, &s;hall never be proved a|gain&s;t me neither) and not an <HI>Evil doer,</HI> for not with&s;tanding your former words, I can prove that the very heathens them&s;elves abhorred to make words matter of fact as you do.</P>
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<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>It is matter of</HI> fact <HI>you are que&s;tioned for,</HI> <NOTE PLACE="marg">Mark it out of his own mouth.</NOTE> <HI>for &s;peaking evil of Authority, rai&s;ing fal&s;e accu&s;ations; or if they were as</HI> Nero, <HI>you are not to &s;peak evil of them, for what hath the</HI> Devil <HI>his</HI> Name <HI>for, but becau&s;e he is an accu&s;er of the Brethren, and it is not for your good deeds that you are puni&s;hed, for what &s;aith Chri&s;t, for which of my</HI> good deeds do you puni&s;h me, <HI>and &s;o you &s;ay, but you &s;hall hear if the&s;e be read, whether it be for your good deeds, or for</HI> evil-doing.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>And as they an&s;wered <HI>Chri&s;t</HI> then, &s;o do you us, it was not for his good deeds they would &s;tone him, but for his <HI>bla&s;phemy,</HI> and &s;o pretended to do it legally, for the Law would have a <HI>bla&s;|phemer</HI> &s;toned, but that which they called <HI>bla&s;phemy</HI> was indeed the <HI>truth,</HI> and <HI>good,</HI> and &s;o it is now, what you call <HI>evil</HI> is <HI>good</HI> and the <HI>Devil</HI> (my Lord) hath his name from <HI>calumniating,</HI> &s;landering and <HI>lying,</HI> and accu&s;ing the <HI>good</HI> <NOTE N="*" PLACE="marg">So that the accu&s;ers of she good and grace of God is on that &s;ide by the informers and per&s;e|cutors.</NOTE> or <HI>grace</HI> of God, but not for ac|cu&s;ing <HI>evil,</HI> or declaring again&s;t <HI>&s;in,</HI> the evils of <HI>Apo&s;tacy,</HI> per&s;ecuti|on or the like, but if you will read the <HI>Articles</HI> you may, yet ex|pect not a word of an&s;wer from me, unle&s;&s;e it be in an open and legal <HI>Court,</HI> before a competent and <HI>fit Judge,</HI> which you are not (my Lord) nor tho&s;e about you, but tho&s;e things which are my <HI>due Right</HI>) granted I am ready to an&s;wer them in <HI>We&s;tmin&s;ter-Hall,</HI> (where I believe the <HI>Lords remnant</HI> who are one with me in this <HI>cau&s;</HI> will &s;tand by me) and at la&s;t you can have but a poor <HI>carca&s;&s;e</HI>(that
<PB N="19" REF="14">is every day dying) yet I am re&s;olved (with the help of God) not to throw a way my life, nor to betray this <HI>ble&s;&s;ed cau&s;e,</HI> &s;o as to an|&s;wer to I know not what <HI>Spurious and forged informations,</HI> or <HI>charge</HI> in a <HI>Chamber,</HI> (grounded on malice, or that which is wor&s;e) nor will I be tried in <HI>Hugger-mugger,</HI> but if I have offended, it is fit I &s;hould have <HI>open Ju&s;tice.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>Who</HI> tries <HI>you? and who &s;ayes it is a Charge? who calls it a charge? I &s;ay not &s;o, and &s;ee! before you bear them, you call them</HI> Spurious</P>
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<P> [with that he takes up one that was titled from <HI>Lambeth,</HI> and was go|ing to read &s;omewhat.] <NOTE PLACE="marg">One <HI>Abdy</HI> the chief in|former, that very day be came with his Keeper to look for his reward he was &s;tab|bed in <HI>Fleet|&s;treet,</HI> being impri&s;oned &mdash; for Bla&s;phe any, Adultery Ranting, Athei&s;me, and the mo&s;t horrid &s;ins that ever were beard of.</NOTE></P>
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<SPEAKER>R.</SPEAKER>
<P>Yea, and I have good grounds &s;o to do, &s;eeing they come from &s;uch kind of <HI>Informers</HI> as they are.</P>
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<P> Then <HI>O.P.</HI> read one <HI>Article</HI> from <HI>Lambeth,</HI> as that he &s;hould call him <HI>Oliver Cromwel,</HI> that great <HI>dra|gon</HI> that fits at <HI>Whitehall</HI> pull him cut, <HI>&amp;c.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>There is &s;uch &s;tuffe as I abhor to have in my mouth, but I &s;hall for bear to an&s;wer, and for that it is not worth the an&s;wer|ing to.</P>
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<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>The&s;e things will be proved.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>B.H.</SPEAKER>
<P>(One of the Twelve,) We de&s;ire the things our <HI>Brother Ro|gers</HI> &s;uffers for may be <HI>publickly known</HI> to all, for we apprehend he &s;uffers for the <HI>Truth,</HI> and the things which you hear, you may that be mi&s;informed in.</P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>Therefore let me have a fair Hearing in a <HI>legal Court,</HI> and I hope the <HI>Lord</HI> wil make me ready for what ever I mu&s;t <HI>&s;uffer</HI> right or wrong, if it mu&s;t be &s;o, but yet I tell you <HI>my Lord,</HI> I fear not any <HI>thing</HI> that you can lay again&s;t me <HI>ju&s;tly</HI> and <HI>hone&s;tly,</HI> but the truth is, you take up any thing, that your <HI>Informers</HI> can hand&s;omely <HI>patch</HI> together, who like the <HI>devil</HI> take a <HI>bit</HI> here, and a <HI>bit</HI> there (that makes for their turn) and you take it (as it lies) for <HI>granted</HI> pre&s;ently. O my Lord I cannot but mourn for you, and your <HI>con|dition,</HI> which is &s;ad and to be <HI>bewailed,</HI> and the rather, for that you have &s;o <HI>many</HI> about you, who for their own ends, to get the world into their hands, do deceive you, but the <HI>Lord will judge righteou&s;ly</HI> (ere long) I am <HI>&s;ure,</HI> and let <HI>appear</HI> whether you or we have the <HI>be&s;t bottome</HI> to <HI>bear</HI> us up, for I ble&s;&s;e the <HI>Lord</HI> the <HI>comforter is with me!</HI> I think my <HI>condition</HI> (through grace) though a poor <HI>pri&s;oner</HI> a great deal better than yours, I would not <HI>change</HI> with you.</P>
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<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>Well, well you are known well enough, and what &s;pirit you are of,</HI>
<PB N="20" REF="15">we know you, and to call your <HI>&s;ufferings</HI> for <HI>Chri&s;t,</HI> when they are for <HI>evil-doing</HI> is not wel, yea it is <HI>bla&s;pemy,</HI> yea I &s;ay <HI>bla&s;phemy</HI> again, (for all your <NOTE N="*" PLACE="marg">M. <HI>Rog.</HI> a|mazed at &s;uch langu|age again lifted up his band and eys towards heaven, ap|pealing to God to judg righteou&s;ly.</NOTE> <HI>lifting</HI> up of your eys) and I tell <HI>you,</HI> yea <HI>you,</HI> that in a <HI>good box</HI> of <HI>ointment,</HI> a little thing, a <HI>dead flie</HI> may &s;poil all, yea a <HI>little flye.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>I dare not (my Lord) <HI>ju&s;tifie</HI> my &s;elf in my <HI>infirmities,</HI> but I ble&s;&s;e the Lord I can apply <HI>Chri&s;ts merits;</HI> I be&s;eech you &s;peak not &s;o reproachfully of the <HI>&s;pirit</HI> of <HI>God,</HI> to call it <HI>fanatick</HI> or an <HI>evil|&s;pirit,</HI> for that is <HI>bla&s;phemy</HI> &s;o to do, (&amp; &s;ee <HI>I&s;a.</HI> 63.10.) neither call <HI>evil good</HI> or <HI>good evil,</HI> for that is prevarication, <HI>I&s;a.</HI> 5.20. that which you judge <HI>Evil-doing,</HI> the Lord judgeth <HI>well doing</HI> and my <HI>duty,</HI> yet I mu&s;t tell you the <HI>Lord</HI> never <HI>made</HI> you a <HI>Judge over</HI> our <HI>Faith,</HI> nor of his <HI>Scripture</HI> whereof you take upon you.</P>
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<SPEAKER>O P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>Well, you know that the time was, there was no great</HI> difference <HI>betwixt you and me; I had you in my ey, and did think of you for</HI> imploy|ment <HI>(and preferment) you know it well enough.</HI></P>
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<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>True my <HI>Lord!</HI> and then you could &s;ay to me, you thought no man in <HI>England</HI> &s;o fit, but &s;ince, the ca&s;e is altered indeed; but I pray con&s;ider, who it is, is changed: &s;urely, it mu&s;t be <HI>con&s;cience</HI> that makes me &s;uffer then: through &s;o many <HI>temptations,</HI> as I have met with: and I have often &s;aid, let me be <HI>convinced</HI> by good words, that I am an <HI>Evil-doer,</HI> as you &s;aid; and I would lay my <HI>Neck</HI> under you <HI>feet</HI> for mercy; but till then, I mu&s;t keep my <HI>con|&s;cience.</HI></P>
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<P><HI>One of the Grandees</HI> (as we take it, it was <HI>G. Desborough</HI>) &s;aies, let the <HI>Informations</HI> be read, let them be <HI>heard;</HI> and then <HI>Scobell</HI> was called to read them (not tho&s;e from <HI>Lambeth,</HI> but) tho&s;e that were *brought in from <HI>Tho. Apo&s;tle,</HI> <NOTE PLACE="marg">The Infor|mations from <HI>Tho. Apo&s;tles</HI> read.</NOTE> from what Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> prayed, what he preached, and what they &s;ang in <HI>Hymnes,</HI> what he prayed, was for the <HI>Pri&s;oners</HI> of the <HI>Lord</HI> at <HI>Win&s;or,</HI> and again&s;t the <HI>Tyranny</HI> of all <HI>Antichri&s;tian Powers,</HI> and to that purpo&s;e; and that God would ha&s;ten his <HI>Vials,</HI> out upon them. What he <HI>preached</HI> was out of <HI>Mat.</HI> 5. <HI>Agree with thine</HI> adver&s;ay <HI>(Chri&s;t) quickly;</HI> <NOTE PLACE="marg">The Articles again&s;t Mr <HI>Ro,</HI> as well as they could be ta|ken.</NOTE> <HI>and be</HI> ob&s;erved, <HI>Appo&s;tate|adulterate profe&s;&s;ors mu&s;t agree quickly with Chri&s;t their Adver&s;ary:</HI> ap|plying it to the <HI>pre&s;ent Powers</HI> as &s;uch; proving they break the 10. <HI>Commandements:</HI> As the 1. <HI>In &s;etting up Idols again, a golden</HI> Calf; <HI>&s;o the</HI> Army <HI>and fle&s;hly &s;trength and the like are idolized, while&s;t men &s;ay the&s;e are the gods that brought us up out of Egypt.</HI></P>
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<P N="2">2. Command. <HI>is, Graven images,</HI> and &s;o are the <HI>Tryers, and high Court Commi&s;&s;ioners, &s;uch the inventions and graven images of mens ma|king, with their Seals, Parchments, black boxes, and pick-locks,</HI> <NOTE N="*" PLACE="marg">The&s;e Ar|ticles are many of them &s;al&s; for matter and form, as can be made appear by hundreds.</NOTE> <HI>Padlocks, and Keys, for your Hog-&s;ties, Pig &s;ties, and Goo&s;e-&s;tals.</HI></P>
<P N="3">3. Command. Take not my name in <HI>vain, &amp;c. Such as have broke all their Declarations, Ingagements, and abu&s;ed his Attributes, u&s;ing that name of God, for their own ends, are guilty of this.</HI></P>
<P N="4">4. Command. Remember that thou keep holy the, <HI>&amp;c. &s;peaking of &s;oul-re&s;t, and &s;aying, that the pre&s;ent Powers, kept not the Sabbath, that re&s;ted in their plea&s;ures, &s;le&s;h, &amp;c. and not in Chri&s;t, but did their own work.</HI></P>
<P N="5">5. Command. Honour thy father and mother, <HI>&amp;c. They brake this commandement in their di&s;obedience to God the heavenly Father.</HI></P>
<P N="6">6. Thou &s;halt not murther, <HI>&amp;c. Murtherers are of many &s;orts, &s;uch as have betraied the Blood that hath been &s;hed again&s;t this kind of Govern|ment, &amp;c.</HI> And then he converted his di&s;cour&s;e again&s;t <HI>Informers</HI> that come for <HI>blood,</HI> &amp; &s;aid, <HI>to hate a brother without a cau&s;e is murder.</HI></P>
<P N="7">7. Thou &s;halt not commit adultery, <HI>&amp;c. This they did with others, as Army, Lawyers, Prie&s;ts intere&s;t, and that which they before de&s;troyed.</HI></P>
<P N="8">8. Steal not. <HI>Now there are great thieves, and little thieves; great ones are now in pre&s;ent Powers, and</HI> Army thieves, Clergy thieves, Lawyers thieves, <HI>and the</HI> great thief <HI>now in</HI> White-hall. But the o|ther two he left to another time: <HI>When he had done, he read a</HI> Letter <HI>from</HI> Mr. Feak, <HI>where was a</HI> Dialogue <HI>between him and the</HI> Governor, <HI>and then he commented upon it: and &s;aid,</HI> It is wor&s;e now then it was with the Romans, for then <HI>Paul</HI> might preach, though a Pri&s;oner, but now we are <NOTE N="*" PLACE="marg">Now is Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> forced to preach out at the iron bars of the pri&s;on on <HI>Lord&s;daies.</HI></NOTE> denied it. <HI>After that he &s;ung an Hymne and the peo|ple joyned with great</HI> alacrity) <HI>again&s;t oppre&s;&s;ion and per&s;ecution, &amp;c.</HI></P>
<P>After this <HI>Information</HI> was read, Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> &s;aid, My Lord, I had a purpo&s;e not to an&s;wer one word hereto, this being no <HI>&s;utable place</HI> or <HI>time</HI> to <HI>an&s;wer</HI> a <HI>charge,</HI> and no <HI>witne&s;&s;es</HI> appearing again&s;t me to make it good; but yet I &s;hall tell you this, for I will not (with the Lords help) &s;peak a word but what I will own to your face; for I love to appear in the <HI>&s;incerity</HI> of my &s;oul and con&s;cience, for my Lord and Ma&s;ter <HI>Je&s;us Chri&s;t</HI> plain to all men; and to lay open my <HI>principles</HI> which I have no cau&s;e (though grace) to be <HI>a&s;hamed</HI> of, the <HI>matter</HI> of this is much of it true: but as to the <HI>form,</HI> there is a great deal of <HI>patching</HI> &amp; <HI>botching</HI> put in by your <HI>mercenary hirelings,</HI> which I will not own, but as to much of the <HI>matter</HI> of it, I mu&s;t dare, and
<PB N="22" REF="16">with the <HI>Lords grace</HI>) I will, though I dy for it, and without you &s;hould <HI>cut</HI> my <HI>tongue</HI> out of my head, I &s;hal continue the te&s;timony up, and tell you moreover (with the re&s;t about you here) that I re|gard your <HI>laws</HI> in the <HI>matters</HI> of my God no more than <HI>&s;traws,</HI> for <HI>Imperia Divina non &s;unt &s;ubjecta Magi&s;tratui,</HI> &s;aith one of the <HI>Martyrs,</HI> and tell you, that I will not be <HI>accomptable</HI> to the <HI>Magi&s;trate,</HI> nor &s;ubmit to his <HI>judgment</HI> in the <HI>matters</HI> of my <HI>Faith,</HI> which the <HI>Civil law</HI> can take no due <HI>cognizance</HI> of.</P>
<P><HI>One of his Councel &s;aid,</HI> Ha! <HI>Imperia Divina.</HI></P>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>So I &s;ay, <HI>Imperia Divina.</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>Saith he, are the&s;e</HI> &s;purious Articles <HI>now? put in by drunkards, and &s;wearers, and whoremongers too? are they not? Ha!&mdash;Ha!</HI> &mdash;</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>My Lord, <NOTE PLACE="marg">They would fain have &s;hi&s;ted off them from <HI>Lambeth</HI> (as it &s;eems) as if they were a&s;ha|med of them.</NOTE> I know what I &s;ay? Tho&s;e which were &s;ent from <HI>Lambeth,</HI> put in by the <HI>Pri&s;oners</HI> there, tho&s;e I &s;ay: a<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="OXF" EXTENT="1 letter">e &s;uch, I did not &s;ay all, but tho&s;e that I &s;ee there, which lie upon the <HI>Table</HI> titled from <HI>Lambeth;</HI> and be&s;ides, there is <HI>Serjeant Dendy</HI> knows this, that I &s;ay for hehim&s;elf (I thank him) &s;ent in their <HI>Informations</HI> again&s;t me to M. <HI>Thurloe,</HI> which he cannot deny. S. Dendy, <HI>I delivered him none my Lord. Ro.</HI> I &s;ay not, you <HI>delivered</HI> them, but you &s;ent them by your <HI>man,</HI> who delivered them according to your directions.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>S. Dendy</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>But my Mother, my Lord, this was my Mother, for &s;he Cate|chized me, my Lord, and I told her.</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER> Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P> So that is true, as I &s;aid before, that tho&s;e from <HI>Lambeth-pri&s;on</HI> are <HI>&s;purious, wicked</HI> &amp; illegal.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Mr. <HI>Cre.</HI></SPEAKER>
<P>Pray, my Lord, let M. <HI>Rogers</HI> have a <HI>copy</HI> of his <HI>charge,</HI> for the <HI>law</HI> allows it him.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER> O.P. </SPEAKER>
<P><HI>No, this is not his tryal.</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P> Why then, let me have it as you are a <HI>Chri&s;tian,</HI> for is it fit I be denied a &s;ight of my accu&s;ation again&s;t me?</P>
</SP>
<P> <HI>[but be turned away and would not hear.]</HI></P>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>M.Cre.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>Then, my Lord, let us, have</HI> liberty <HI>of</HI> con&s;cience; <HI>will you not give us &s;o much</HI> liberty <HI>as the</HI> Parliament <HI>gave?</HI> </P>
</SP>
<P> [with that he turn'd about in anger]</P>
<SP>
<SPEAKER> O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P> <HI>I tell you, there was never &s;uch</HI> liberty of con&s;cience, <HI>no, never &s;uch liberty &s;ince the dayes of</HI> <NOTE N="*" PLACE="marg">He confe&s;&s;ed that Anti|chri&s;ts go|vernment is now up in <HI>England,</HI> yet &s;o that no wonder the Pri&s;ons are &s;o full of precious Saints.</NOTE> Antichri&s;t <HI>as is now; for may not men</HI> preach <HI>and</HI> pray <HI>what they will? And have not men their</HI> liberty <HI>of</HI> all opinions?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>  It is true, there is <HI>liberty</HI> e|nough, and too much too, for <HI>drunkards, &s;wearers,</HI> and men of vile <HI>debauched principles</HI> and <HI>evil lives, Common-prayer-men,</HI> and &s;uch like (we know) round the <HI>Nation.</HI></P>
</SP>
<P><HI> [then his creatures about him &s;coffed.]</HI></P>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>Ha!&mdash;Are Drunkenne&s;&s;e, Swearing, opinions then?</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER> Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P> I &s;ay not &s;o, but I &s;ay, &s;uch men may have their opinions whiles we are
<PB N="23" REF="16"><HI>per&s;ecuted</HI> for the <HI>truth.</HI> But why do you not my Lord, let out my brother <HI>Feak</HI> at <HI>Wind&s;or,</HI> with my &s;elf (&s;eeing we &s;uffer in <HI>one cau&s;e,</HI> for one te&s;timony, and (I tru&s;t) by one <HI>Spirit</HI> of <HI>Je&s;us Chri&s;t</HI>) let us both out to an&s;wer for our &s;elves joyntly together? and to make it appear to all <HI>unintere&s;&s;ed Chri&s;tians,</HI> that we are no <HI>evill doers,</HI> in the matters we &s;uffer for, which if we do not then, let us &s;uffer.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P>  <HI>M</HI> Feak, <HI>truly M</HI> Feak, <HI>(I think) le&s;&s;e evill may be &s;aid of him than of you: but there are many of different opinions, that come to me, and they know they have all their liberty of their opinions. </HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P> Yea, every man almo&s;t that talks with you, is apt to think you of his opini|on, my Lord, what ever he be? </P>
</SP>
<P>[<HI>his creatures &s;coffed again.</HI></P>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P>  <HI>Nay, you</HI> <NOTE N="*" PLACE="marg">But &s;ome of that opi|nion do, as Mr. <HI>T.G.</HI> and others,</NOTE> <HI>do not (&s;aith he) in anger?</HI></P>
</SP>
<P><HI> [his creatures &s;coffed and laughed again.]</HI></P>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>Some of this Judgment do, think you &s;o, although as I &s;aid before the the <HI>Privative</HI>&mdash;(or negative) part of the <HI>Te&s;timony</HI> you cannot bear.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P> <HI>Pi&s;h! here is a deal of</HI> po&s;itive <HI>and</HI> privative to <HI>&s;hew you are a Scholer, and 'tis well known what you are, and where do you find that</HI> di&s;tinction? <NOTE PLACE="marg">They thought Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> to be an antick, becau&s;e he &s;pake in power and goeat zeal.</NOTE></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>  In <HI>Logick.</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P> Ha!</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>  I mu&s;t tell you in the <HI>Name</HI> of the <HI>Lord Jehovah</HI> that your <HI>condition</HI> is very <HI>de&s;pe|rate,</HI> and if you con&s;ult the <HI>holy oracles,</HI> you will <HI>find</HI> it for the next <HI>vial</HI> which is to be poured out, is the <HI>&s;corching hot one,</HI> and mu&s;t fall upon the <HI>Apo&s;tate profe&s;&s;ours</HI> that have for&s;aken and <HI>betrayed</HI> the <HI>cau&s;e</HI> of <HI>Chri&s;t,</HI> and look to it, it is like to fall heavy upon your <HI>heads,</HI> and tho&s;e that are <HI>about you,</HI> I pray, think of that in <HI>Ho&s;ea</HI> 1.4. the <HI>blood of</HI> Jezreel <HI>&s;hall be upon the hou&s;e of</HI> Jehu, though <HI>Jehu</HI> did obey the <HI>Lord</HI> in doing Ju&s;tice on <HI>Ahab</HI> and <HI>Jezabel,</HI> yet be|cau&s;e he fell into the &s;ame <HI>predicament</HI> of <HI>&s;in,</HI> walking in the <HI>&s;ame &s;teps</HI> of <HI>evil</HI> which <HI>Ahab</HI> walked in (the very blood of <HI>them</HI> &s;ell upon his head.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER> O.P. </SPEAKER>
<P><HI>Your &s;pirit is to</HI> Judge, <HI>but I regard not your</HI> words, look you to your <HI>Con&s;cience,</HI> and I will look to <HI>mine,</HI> yet for that of <HI>Jehu,</HI> Why, what was that for? it was for fear le&s;t the <HI>people</HI> &s;hould go <HI>back</HI> again to the Hou&s;e of <HI>David</HI> (and &s;o he was running into the &s;tory of <HI>Jeroboam</HI>) and to <HI>Jeru&s;alem,</HI> but he was corrected. Then <HI>Kiffen</HI> &s;aid, it is &s;o, then &s;aid Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> it is not &s;o of <HI>Jehu,</HI> but of <HI>Jeroboam,</HI> which he &s;peaks of; then he <HI>corrected</HI> him&s;elf, and &s;aid, well; but <HI>Jehu,</HI> can you parallel it now? Why his <HI>heart</HI> was <HI>hypocriticall,</HI> and by <HI>policy</HI> clave to the &s;ame <HI>&s;in</HI> of his Predece&s;&s;ors, and <HI>Baal</HI> again to plea&s;e the people.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<PB N="24" REF="17">
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>True my Lord, and is it not &s;o now?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>Hah</HI>&mdash;&s;aith he; and turned about to his <HI>Army men, and &s;o he &s;pake of the Army too, what can you &s;ay of them?</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>I &s;ay they are an <HI>Appo&s;tate Army,</HI> that have mo&s;t perfidiou&s;|ly <HI>betrayed</HI> the <HI>cau&s;e</HI> of <HI>Chri&s;t,</HI> broken their <HI>faith</HI> in &s;o many <HI>Decla|rations</HI> and <HI>Engagements,</HI> and are <HI>odious</HI> to the <HI>Saints;</HI> yea the very <HI>name</HI> of them will be <HI>odious</HI> to the <HI>children</HI> that are yet unborn.</P>
</SP>
<P> <HI>[With that the Army-men (for many Officers were by) were &s;orely vexed, &s;ome grating their teeth, and laying heads together]</HI></P>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>I tell you (&s;aith he, in a chafe) I tell you, and you! that they have kept them all to a tittle, not one of you can make it appear that they have broke one</HI> Declaration <HI>or</HI> Engagement, <HI>or a tittle of one, prove it if you can, any of you.</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER> Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P> Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> did earne&s;tly pre&s;&s;e for liberty, to in&s;tance in &s;ome, and with much ado, &s;aid: My Lord, if you would have <HI>patience,</HI> I would in&s;tance in many: <HI>[they &s;coff again.</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>Am I</HI> impatient? <HI>then let them that</HI> &s;tand <HI>by &s;ee! nay, it is you are &s;o full like the</HI> Pamphleters.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>They that write <HI>Pamphlets</HI> now, never printed more <HI>lyes</HI> and <HI>bla&s;phemies</HI> &s;ince the world &s;tood.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>I think &s;o too.</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>But my Lord, if you plea&s;e to let me <HI>&s;peak,</HI> for if I be ex|tream, is not <HI>pa&s;&s;io concupi&s;cibilis,</HI> as we &s;ee in &s;ome men, who &s;peak all for them&s;elves, while&s;t we &s;eek onely for Chri&s;t and his <HI>king|dome,</HI> but rather a <HI>pa&s;&s;io ira&s;cibilis</HI> (which it may, is my weakne&s;&s;e, but &s;ure it is my <HI>indignation</HI> to <HI>&s;in</HI> and <HI>&s;elf,</HI> and that which I &s;ee &s;et up in&s;tead of <HI>Chri&s;t:</HI> but if you <NOTE N="*" PLACE="marg">For there were many po&s;tures <GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="OXF" EXTENT="1 word"> actions ten|ding to di|sturb and interrupt him.</NOTE> will give me leave, I will in|&s;tance in <HI>Declarations,</HI> as that in 47. for one, page 9. where they <HI>Declare again&s;t any Authority or Ab&s;olute power in any Per&s;on or Per&s;ons</HI> what &s;oever during <HI>life;</HI> &s;aying the people &s;o <HI>&s;ubjected</HI> were <HI>meere Slaves,</HI> and that you would not have it &s;o in <HI>any;</HI> no, not in any of your own <HI>Army;</HI> or of your own <HI>Principles;</HI> nor yet of whom you might have mo&s;t <HI>per&s;onall a&s;&s;urance?</HI> and that it was no <HI>re&s;i&s;ting of Magi&s;tracy,</HI> to &s;ide with <HI>ju&s;t principles;</HI> and much more to that purpo&s;e: Be&s;ides, in &s;everall <HI>others,</HI> as in <HI>Albans:</HI> and that when the <HI>Army</HI> went to <HI>Scotland</HI> again&s;t the Clergy and Tithes. </P>
</SP>
<P>[<HI>But Ma&s;ter</HI> Rogers <HI>was interrupted and not &s;uffered to in&s;i&s;t on any others.</HI></P>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P><HI>And who? Hear me: Who? &mdash; Who? I &s;ay, bath broken that? Where is an</HI> Arbitrary <HI>or</HI> Ab&s;olute <HI>power? (nay, hear me) Where is &s;uch a Power?</HI></P>
</SP>
<GAP DESC="missing" EXTENT="8 pages">
<PB N="33" REF="17">
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>Is not the <HI>Long-&s;word</HI> &s;uch? By what <HI>Law</HI> or <HI>Power</HI> are we put <HI>into pri&s;on,</HI> my brother <HI>Feak</HI> above the&s;e 12 months, I a|bove 28 weeks (and <HI>&s;everal others</HI> of our <HI>Brethren</HI>) and we know not for <HI>what</HI> to this day: which, I &s;ay again, is <HI>wor&s;e,</HI> yea wor&s;e then the <HI>Romane Law:</HI> And is not this <HI>Arbitrary?</HI> And is not your <HI>Power,</HI> with the <HI>Armies,</HI> Ab&s;olute? to break up <HI>Parlia|ments,</HI> and do what you will? But if you plea&s;e, let me <HI>in&s;tance</HI> in others.</P>
</SP>
<P> (But they would not &s;uffer him.)</P>
<P>One of the <HI>Army,</HI> &s;ome &s;ay, L.C.<HI>W.</HI> Sir, (&s;aith he to Mr. <HI>Ro.</HI>) you &s;ay the <HI>Army</HI> have broken all their <HI>Engagements.</HI></P>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>Yea, every one of them: and if they <HI>make another Decla|ration,</HI> they will hardly be believed again, by good people.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>L.C.<HI>W.</HI></SPEAKER>
<P> But I pray by what <HI>Rule</HI> do you <HI>re&s;i&s;t Powers</HI> &s;et up of God?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>Sir, you are mi&s;taken, we do not re&s;i&s;t &s;uch as are <HI>&s;et up of God;</HI> but we <HI>re&s;i&s;t &s;in</HI> in all men: and as <HI>Luther</HI> &s;aid, <HI>Invaniar &s;ane &s;uperbus,</HI> &amp;c. I may be accounted <HI>proud,</HI> mad, or <HI>any thing:</HI> but be it &s;o <HI>ne modo impii &s;ilentii arguar, dum Chri&s;tus patitur;</HI> rather then I be guilty of the &s;in of <HI>Silence.</HI> <NOTE N="*" PLACE="marg">But Mr. <HI>Ro.</HI> was interrupt|ed, and forced to break off. whiles <HI>O. P.</HI> proceeded.</NOTE>.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O. P.</SPEAKER>
<P>Now for the <HI>Army,</HI> they are re&s;olved not to re&s;t, till they have <HI>performed</HI> all they <HI>engaged;</HI> and they are <HI>about it,</HI> as fa&s;t as they can do it <HI>in order.</HI></P>
</SP>
<P> And much to that purpo&s;e he &s;pake. But then Mr. <HI>Her.</HI> de&s;ired to &s;peak.</P>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>B. <HI>Her.</HI></SPEAKER>
<P>I de&s;ire to &s;peak a word.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O. P.</SPEAKER>
<P>Well, do.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Mr. <HI>Her.</HI></SPEAKER>
<P>That <HI>Gentleman</HI> (meaning L.C. <HI>W.</HI>) asked by what <HI>Rule</HI> we re&s;i&s;t <HI>powers:</HI> We de&s;ire then to be &s;atisfied, by what <HI>Rule</HI> you <HI>re&s;i&s;ted</HI> the <HI>King,</HI> and <HI>warred</HI> again&s;t him and his <HI>adhe|rents,</HI> and <HI>de&s;troyed</HI> the <HI>Governments</HI> before, &s;eeing they were ac|counted too a <HI>lawful Authority.</HI> And con&s;ider how much <HI>blood</HI> cries under the Altar, <HI>How long, O. Lord, holy and true!</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O. P.</SPEAKER>
<P>Would undertake to an&s;wer, by a <HI>long Narrative</HI> of the <HI>peoples grievances,</HI> the <HI>Kings ab&s;olute power,</HI> and his &s;eeking to <HI>de&s;troy</HI> his <HI>&s;ubjects,</HI> till they were forced to take up <HI>Arms</HI> for their <HI>own defence;</HI> &s;o that it was a <HI>defen&s;ive War</HI> and the former powers had broken their <HI>Engagements,</HI> and forfeited their <HI>tru&s;t.</HI></P>
</SP>
<P> Much more was &s;poken by <HI>one</HI> or <HI>other</HI> thereto. But &s;aith he, looking upon Mr. <HI>Ro. Ha!</HI></P>
<SP>
<PB N="34" REF="18">
<SPEAKER>O. P.</SPEAKER>
<P>I &s;ee he is <HI>full</HI> to &s;peak.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>Yea. my Lord, I am: for <HI>(ex conce&s;&s;is)</HI> our <HI>controver&s;ie</HI> is <HI>decided,</HI> and the Ca&s;e is plain <HI>on our &s;ide,</HI> and &s;eems &s;o <HI>now</HI> more then <HI>even;</HI> <NOTE PLACE="marg">The Controver|&s;ie cleared, out of their own mouthes.</NOTE> for do not the poor <HI>people of God</HI> &s;eel a <HI>Preragative-intere&s;t</HI> now up? As the <HI>old Non conformi&s;ts,</HI> or the good <HI>old Puritans</HI> were per&s;ecuted, impri&s;oned, reproached, and <HI>denied pro|tection</HI> from <HI>men,</HI> and therefore were forced to flie to <HI>God</HI> by faith and prayer, and tears day and night, <NOTE PLACE="marg">1.</NOTE> (not cea&s;ing, till the <HI>vial of wrath</HI> was poured out upon the beads of the <HI>King</HI> and his <HI>Prelates:</HI> &s;o, I &s;ay, the <HI>new Non-conformi&s;ts</HI> are abu&s;ed, di&s;owned, and <HI>denied protection;</HI> per&s;ecuted, impri&s;oned, bani&s;hed, and forced day and night (yea thou&s;ands of them in <HI>City</HI> and <HI>Country</HI>) to their <HI>faith, tears, prayers,</HI> and <HI>appeals;</HI> which are the <HI>Bombar da Chri&s;tiano|rum,</HI> and will <HI>prevail</HI> (as &s;ure as God is in heaven) to bring down the <HI>next</HI> hot &s;corching <HI>vial of his wrath</HI> upon the&s;e <HI>new Enemies and Per&s;ecutors.</HI></P>
<P>Be&s;ides, <NOTE N="2" PLACE="marg">2.</NOTE> in your <HI>own Declaration,</HI> p. 7. of that &mdash; 43, you &s;ay it is <HI>no re&s;i&s;ting of Magi&s;tracie to &s;ide with ju&s;t principles.</HI> And is it not <HI>ju&s;t</HI> to <HI>&s;ide with</HI> that Intere&s;t which the <HI>blood</HI> of <HI>&s;o many thou&s;ands</HI> of the <HI>Saints</HI> hath <HI>&s;ealed</HI> to, in the three Nations; and &s;o many <HI>Declarations, Vows,</HI> and <HI>Engagements</HI> have been made for, <HI>viz.</HI> for the <HI>Lambs,</HI> and again&s;t <HI>this your Intere&s;t,</HI> which we have all <HI>engaged, prayed, bled,</HI> and <HI>fought again&s;t?</HI> Now, my Lord, let the <HI>loud Cries</HI> of the <HI>blood</HI> &s;hed again&s;t the&s;e things you have &s;et up, be heard; and make <HI>re&s;titution</HI> of that <HI>blood,</HI> tho&s;e <HI>lives, tears, bowels, faith, prayer, limbs,</HI> and <HI>skulls,</HI> of us and our <HI>relations</HI> left in the fields, and laid out again&s;t this kinde of <HI>Govern|ment,</HI> whether in <HI>Civil</HI> or <HI>Eccle&s;ia&s;tical;</HI> or el&s;e let us have what they were <HI>laid out</HI> for: otherwi&s;e we mu&s;t and will, with the <HI>Lords</HI> help, &s;ide with tho&s;e <HI>ju&s;t Principles</HI> that have been &s;o <HI>&s;ealed to,</HI> and <HI>owned</HI> by the Lord. And this will be a mo&s;t apparent <HI>defen&s;ive war</HI> as ever was in the world, to <HI>defend</HI> what the <HI>blood,</HI> and <HI>bones,</HI> and <HI>e&s;tates</HI> of &s;o many thou&s;ands of the <HI>Saints of God</HI> have bought at &s;o high a <HI>rate,</HI> which they are wronged: for they never thought of &s;etting up this. And therefore I &s;ay, (my Lord) if <HI>our God</HI> the <HI>Lord Jehovah</HI> do give his <HI>Call,</HI> I am ready, for one, among&s;t the <HI>Lords remnant,</HI> to &s;ide with <HI>ju&s;t Principles,</HI> in the &s;trength of the <HI>Anointing,</HI> whether it be <HI>pradicando, pracando,</HI> or <HI>praeliando;</HI> by <HI>preaching, praying,</HI> or <HI>fighting.</HI></P>
</SP>
<PB N="35" REF="18">
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Sir <HI>Gilb. P.</HI></SPEAKER>
<P>Said you not <HI>praliando?</HI></P>
</SP>
<P>Yea, &s;ays Mr. <HI>R.</HI> in the <HI>Spirit of the Lord:</HI> for the <HI>Ca&s;e</HI> was <HI>never &s;o clear</HI> as now it is in the <HI>&s;tate</HI> of the <HI>Controver&s;ie.</HI> For the <HI>Controver&s;ie</HI> is not <HI>now</HI> between <HI>man</HI> and <HI>man,</HI> <NOTE PLACE="marg">The &s;tate of the Controver&s;ie is between <HI>Chri&s;t</HI> &amp; <HI>O.P.</HI> Chri&s;ts Government &amp; Mans.</NOTE> one <HI>Government</HI> of the <HI>world,</HI> and another <HI>Government</HI> of the <HI>world,</HI> or <HI>King</HI> and <HI>People;</HI> but it is now between <HI>Chri&s;t</HI> and <HI>you</HI> (my Lord) <HI>Chri&s;ts Government</HI> and <HI>yours:</HI> and which of <HI>the&s;e two,</HI> are the <HI>higher powers</HI> for us to &s;ide with, and be obedient unto, judge ye.</P>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P>Ha! Why who <HI>denies</HI> the Ca&s;e to be <HI>clearer</HI> now? But I heard indeed, <NOTE PLACE="marg">This &s;peech &s;eemed to trou|ble them all.</NOTE> it is &s;ome of your <HI>principles</HI> to be at it: you long to be at it; you want but an opportunity.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>The <HI>remnant</HI> of the <HI>womans &s;eed</HI> mu&s;t be at it when they have the <HI>Call.</HI> For I be&s;eech you, my Lord, con&s;ider how neer it is to the <HI>End</HI> of the <HI>Bea&s;ts dominion,</HI> the 42 months, and what time of day it is with us now. </P>
</SP>
<P>(But Mr. <HI>Ro.</HI> was interrupted.)</P>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P>Talk not of that; for I mu&s;t tell you plainly, <NOTE PLACE="marg">An <HI>Ignoramus</HI> brought in very hone&s;tly.</NOTE> they are things I under&s;tand not.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>It &s;eems (my Lord) &s;o, el&s;e &s;urely you dur&s;t not lay <HI>violent hands</HI> upon <HI>us,</HI> for the <HI>testimony</HI> and <HI>truth</HI> of the <HI>day,</HI> as you do.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>B. <HI>D.</HI> (one of the 12) </SPEAKER>
<P>Why then do you <HI>impri&s;on</HI> others for the <HI>light,</HI> if you your &s;elf be &s;o <HI>ignorant?</HI></P>
</SP>
<P> (But then &s;ome of the <HI>Court-creatures</HI> pull'd him by the <HI>cloak,</HI> and laid <HI>violent hands on him,</HI> and call'd him <HI>&s;tinking ba&s;e fellow,</HI> &s;aying he knew not whom he &s;pake to, nor where he was; giving him many <HI>uncivil words.</HI> But afterward one of them &s;aid to him, <HI>Ask for Mr. Ro. out of pri&s;on; a<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="OXF" EXTENT="1 letter">k for him, and my Lord will let him out.</HI> But B. <HI>D.</HI> an&s;wered, <HI>No, Sir, we came not for that.</HI></P>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>B.<HI>P.</HI></SPEAKER>
<P>Great men are not always wi&s;e.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P>See! (&s;ays he, looking upon his <HI>Army-men.</HI>)</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>They are not always <HI>wi&s;e</HI> with the wi&s;dom of God, though they may have much <HI>carnal policie, &s;ubtilty,</HI> and <HI>rea&s;on of State.</HI> But the <HI>&s;eed of the woman</HI> &s;hall <HI>break the Serpents head.</HI></P>
</SP>
<P> (Which Mr. <HI>Ro.</HI> &s;peaking with a high voice, and great alacrity, it made the Courtiers &s;coff at him, as if he were a <HI>Mad-man.</HI></P>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P>Ha! and thus they talk of the <HI>Mini&s;tery,</HI> and <HI>Commi&s;&s;io|ners</HI> for <HI>Approbation,</HI> and &s;ay they are <HI>Antichri&s;tian.</HI><NOTE N="*" PLACE="marg">See your Ordi|nance, <HI>March 20, 1653.</HI> the <HI>ground</HI> is upon Patrons right to pre&s;ent to cure of &s;ouls; the <HI>creator,</HI> is your L P. <HI>Cromwel;</HI> the <HI>matter,</HI> men of corrupt principles and practices, and most of them of the National Church; the <HI>end</HI> is, to fill Pari&s;h-cures, and get Tythes: all An|tichri&s;tian.</NOTE>.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>Yea, my Lord, we do &s;ay &s;o, and they are &s;o, as to their &s;tan|ding upon a <HI>wrong, un-Go&s;pel</HI> foot of <HI>account;</HI> and I will prove
<PB N="36" REF="19">them and your <HI>Tryers</HI> (I &s;peak not as to their <HI>per&s;ons,</HI> but as to their <HI>&s;tanding</HI>) Antichri&s;tian for <HI>matter,</HI> and <HI>form,</HI> and <HI>rule</HI> (by which they &s;it) and <HI>end</HI> for which they &s;it.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P>You fix the name of <HI>Antichri&s;tian</HI> upon any thing.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>Pray (my Lord) make no <HI>Law</HI> again&s;t that <HI>name;</HI> let it not be <HI>trea&s;on</HI> to u&s;e the name <HI>Antichri&s;tian:</HI> for that name will up yet higher and higher; and many things that you think <HI>good</HI> and <HI>Chri|&s;tian,</HI> will be found <HI>Antichri&s;tian</HI> ere long.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P>Being angry, look'd on his <HI>Army-men:</HI> See! &s;aid he, and &s;o all is <HI>Antichri&s;tian,</HI> and <HI>Tythes</HI> are &s;o too with you; but I will prove they are not.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>My Lord, you were once of <HI>another minde,</HI> and told me you'd have them pull'd down, and put into a <HI>Trea&s;ury.</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P>Did I ever &s;ay &s;o?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>Yea that you did, in the <HI>Co<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="OXF" EXTENT="1 letter">k-pit</HI> (the <HI>round place</HI> there;) and &s;aid moreover, that the <HI>Poor</HI> &s;hould be maintained and put to work, with what remained of them, that we might have no <HI>begger</HI> in <HI>England.</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P>Ha! there be many <HI>Gentlemen</HI> know that I have been for them, and will maintain the <HI>ju&s;tne&s;s</HI> of them.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>But, my Lord, how can that be, that the <HI>National Mini&s;te|ry</HI> is not Antichri&s;tian?</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P>See now! how you run! It is not a <HI>National Mini&s;tery</HI> that is now e&s;tabli&s;hed, nor can you make it appear they are Anti|chri&s;tian.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>Yea, my Lord, without any difficulty, out of your own Law which hath con&s;tituted the&s;e <HI>Tryers</HI> and <HI>High-Court-Commi&s;&s;io|ners</HI> to e&s;tabli&s;h a <HI>worldly Clergie.</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O. P.</SPEAKER>
<P>I tell you, you and you, that you cannot; for they <HI>ordain</HI> none.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>No: but if the <HI>Pope, Prelate,</HI> or <HI>Devil</HI> &s;hould ordain them, they mu&s;t approve of them, &s;ettle them in their <HI>Pari&s;hes,</HI> get them their <HI>Tythes,</HI> and what not? if they be but conformable to</P>
</SP>
<P>&mdash; He is interrupted.</P>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P>I tell you, I tell you, it is their <HI>grace</HI> they <HI>judge</HI> of, and not for <HI>parts</HI> or <HI>learning, Latine, Greek,</HI> or <HI>Hebrew.</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>And who made them <HI>judges</HI> of <HI>grace,</HI> my Lord? At mo&s;t, they can but judge of the <HI>fruits of grace;</HI> and how dare they take
<PB N="37" REF="19">upon them to be <HI>judges</HI> over <HI>Grace?</HI> It is not <HI>you,</HI> but the <HI>Lord Je&s;us,</HI> that can make them <HI>&s;uch judges.</HI></P>
</SP>
<P> [With that, he turned away, as very angry.</P>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>B.<HI>H.</HI></SPEAKER>
<P>My Lord, we are very much <HI>di&s;&s;ati&s;fied</HI> with what you have done again&s;t the&s;e <HI>pri&s;oners of the Lord Je&s;us,</HI> for &s;o they are, and we mu&s;t count them &s;o: for you have given us <HI>no &s;at is faction</HI> at all, in what you pretend them to be as <HI>evil doers.</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P>I cannot tell you then how to help it.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>B.<HI>H.</HI></SPEAKER>
<P>For my part, I mu&s;t <HI>declare</HI> again&s;t you, and will venture my <HI>life,</HI> if I be called to it, with the&s;e our brethren that <HI>&s;uffer.</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>B.<HI>Cr.</HI></SPEAKER>
<P>As for tho&s;e <HI>Articles,</HI> we have heard them read, again&s;t our bro. <HI>Ro.</HI> out of his <HI>Sermons</HI> preached at <HI>Tho. Apo&s;t.</HI> and from what he prayed at <HI>Th. Apo&s;t.</HI> Set a&s;ide but what is put in by <HI>your In|formers,</HI> which we wil take our Oathes that heard them (all preached) were never &s;poken by him: (only, I &s;ay, that excepted) we will <HI>live</HI> and <HI>die</HI> with him upon tho&s;e <HI>Articles,</HI> &amp; will own him with our <HI>lives.</HI></P>
</SP>
<P> &mdash; Yea, &s;aid Mr. <HI>Ro.</HI> and I believe an hundred will, that heard and writ them.</P>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O. P.</SPEAKER>
<P>Well, (&s;aith he) I'll &s;end for <HI>&s;ome</HI> of you ere long: but I have lo&s;t <HI>this time,</HI> and have <HI>publike bu&s;ine&s;s</HI> upon me at this time: I had rather have given 500 <HI>l.</HI> I tell you, there wants <HI>brotherly love;</HI> and the <HI>&s;everal</HI> &s;orts of <HI>Forms</HI> would cut the throats one of another, &s;hould not I keep the <HI>peace.</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>Tho&s;e you call <HI>Fifth Monarchy-men,</HI> are driven by your <HI>Sword</HI> to love one another.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P>Why I tell you there be <HI>Anabapti&s;ts</HI> (pointing at Mr. <HI>Kif|&s;in</HI>) and they would cut the throats of them that are not under their <HI>Forms;</HI> &s;o would the <HI>Presbyterians</HI> cut the throats of them that are not of their <HI>Forms;</HI> and &s;o would you <HI>Fifth Monarchy-men.</HI> It is &s;it to keep all the&s;e <HI>Forms</HI> out of the <HI>Power.</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>Who made you (my Lord) a <HI>Judge</HI> of our <HI>Principles?</HI> You &s;peak evil of you know not what. For that <HI>Fifth Monarchy-principle</HI> (as you call it) is of &s;uch a <HI>latitude</HI> as takes in <HI>all Saints,</HI> all &s;uch as are <HI>&s;anctified in Chri&s;t Je&s;us,</HI> without re&s;pect of what <HI>Form</HI> or <HI>Judgement</HI> he is. But, <HI>Judiciuns fit &s;ecundum vim in|tellectualis luminis</HI></P>
</SP>
<P>&mdash; [He was interrupted.</P>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P>What do you tell us of your <HI>Latine?</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>Why (my Lord) you are <HI>Chancellor of Oxford;</HI> and can you not bear that <HI>Language?</HI></P>
</SP>
<PB N="38" REF="20">
<SP>
<SPEAKER>B.<HI>C.</HI></SPEAKER>
<P>My Lord, we have great <HI>comfort</HI> by the Mini&s;tery of our brother <HI>Rogers,</HI> and great <HI>mi&s;s</HI> of him; and therefore we have <HI>de|manded</HI> his <HI>Liberty,</HI> and de&s;ire to know whether he &s;hall be at liber|ty, or no.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P>I will take <HI>my own time:</HI> you &s;hall not know what I will do.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>B.<HI>H.</HI></SPEAKER>
<P>Then let us have <HI>liberty to hear him preach.</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>S. <HI>Dendy.</HI></SPEAKER>
<P>It cannot be, my Lord: for I have many pri&s;oners and 'tis dangerous <NOTE N="*" PLACE="marg">And yet for all S. <HI>Dendy</HI>'s ba&s;ene&s;s to the poor per&s;ecuted people of God, And his readi|ne&s;s to prevent the <HI>great mans</HI> an&s;wer, he can let in as many as will come, to the drunken profane pri&s;o|ners &amp; plotters; &s;o that friends are glad to u&s;e their names (if they know any of them) that come to &s;ee Mr. <HI>Rogers.</HI></NOTE>.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>Pray, my Lord, con&s;ider that place in <HI>I&s;a.</HI> 49.24, 25, 26. for the Lord will deliver the <HI>lawful Captive</HI> in that day which is <HI>coming:</HI> you can but have my <HI>blood</HI> at la&s;t; and you had like to have had it already in the <HI>Pri&s;on</HI> ere this: two of my <HI>children</HI> have <HI>died</HI> there &s;ince my impri&s;onment, and I have been at <HI>Deaths-door.</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>B. <HI>H.</HI></SPEAKER>
<P>It is unrea&s;onable our brother <HI>Ro.</HI> &s;hould be kept <HI>pri&s;oner</HI> &s;o, in &s;uch a <HI>place,</HI> and at &s;uch a <HI>charge</HI> as is (for him) above 200 <HI>l. per an.</HI> and we know <HI>no cau&s;e</HI> for it, but his <HI>con&s;cience.</HI></P>
</SP>
<P>Then S. <HI>Dendy</HI> was &s;poken to, to an&s;wer for him&s;elf.</P>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>S.<HI>D.</HI></SPEAKER>
<P>Now, my Lord, I &s;ee one of my <HI>Accu&s;ers.</HI> I never de|manded a peny of Mr. <HI>Ro.</HI> nor of my <HI>Aunt</HI> his wife, who is one of Sir <HI>Robert Payne</HI>'s daughters.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P>I knew her father very well.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>S.<HI>D.</HI></SPEAKER>
<P>But they have (my Lord) <HI>three rooms,</HI> and it cannot be al|lowed.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>No more room then <HI>one pri&s;oner</HI> had before, being divided into three <HI>little rooms,</HI> and but <HI>one chimney</HI> in them All. The <HI>Plot|ter</HI> that went out before I came into them, had them <HI>All.</HI> And for the <HI>Fees,</HI> though you in <HI>per&s;on</HI> demanded them not, yet <HI>your man</HI> (old <HI>Mea&s;ey</HI>) did, for you, &s;everal times, <HI>viz.</HI> 4 <HI>l.</HI> 4 <HI>s. per</HI> week; which he did before <HI>witne&s;s,</HI> as I can prove under their hands: and he &s;aid I &s;hould not go out till the <HI>Sergeant</HI> had it. And what be&s;ides I was to pay you, I was not to know till I went out.</P>
</SP>
<P>Mrs. <HI>Ro.</HI> &s;aid to Sergeant <HI>Dendy,</HI> It's true, you have had but 5 <HI>l.</HI> yet of it.</P>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P>Why he is your <HI>Nephew,</HI> who was <HI>accounted</HI> one that lo|ved the people of God.</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Ro.</SPEAKER>
<P>So were <HI>others</HI> as well as <HI>he,</HI> till this <HI>trial.</HI></P>
</SP>
<PB N="39" REF="20">
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Mr. <HI>Cre.</HI></SPEAKER>
<P>My Lord, will you not give us the liberty to hear him in the <HI>Pri&s;on</HI> then, &s;eeing you will not let us hear him <HI>abroad?</HI></P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>O.P.</SPEAKER>
<P>Is that the liberty you &s;ought for? (&s;ays he, in a &s;coff.)</P>
</SP>
<SP>
<SPEAKER>Mr. <HI>Cr.</HI></SPEAKER>
<P>Yes, Sir, and that which we <HI>demand.</HI></P>
</SP>
<P>But then the <HI>Great man</HI> would be gone: and as he was going <HI>out,</HI> Mr. <HI>Ro.</HI> de&s;ired him to remember he mu&s;t be <HI>judged,</HI> and the <HI>day of the Lord</HI> was neer, and that he would, (ere long) and tho&s;e about him finde them that <HI>now</HI> he and they counted <HI>fal&s;e Prophets,</HI> in <HI>Wind&s;or</HI> and <HI>Lambeth,</HI> true Prophets; and what they have &s;aid, they &s;hould finde come to pa&s;s ere <HI>many yeers</HI> yet: for that the <HI>righ|teous Jehovah,</HI> who &s;itteth <HI>on high,</HI> heareth all our <HI>prayers, &s;ighs, groans,</HI> and <HI>tears.</HI> But away he went, and would not hear.</P>
<P>As &s;oon as we came out of the room, Sergeant <HI>Dendy</HI> in the Gal|lery threatned what he would do, and how he would <HI>&s;end</HI> them <HI>fur|ther off,</HI> and <HI>order</HI> them ere long; Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> receiving the <HI>threat|ning</HI> without <HI>impatience,</HI> or one word of <HI>reply</HI> unto him.</P>
<P>That <HI>very night,</HI> a &s;trict <HI>Order</HI> was &s;ent after <HI>him</HI> to <HI>Lambeth-pri&s;on,</HI> that no more then <HI>&s;ix</HI> may come to &s;ee Mr. <HI>R.</HI> at a time, (no <HI>&s;uch Order</HI> being made for any of the <HI>other Pri&s;oners,</HI> who have of <HI>lend company</HI> as many as they will at a time.) And &s;ince that, the <HI>Gaoler</HI> hath been &s;o <HI>&s;trict,</HI> (e&s;pecially upon the <HI>Lords days</HI>) ac|cording to his <HI>Orders</HI> from <HI>Whitehal,</HI> that he will not &s;uffer one <HI>brother</HI> to come in to <HI>&s;ee</HI> him, or to <HI>pray</HI> with him, that is &s;ent from the <HI>Churches</HI> of <HI>Chri&s;t,</HI> (upon tho&s;e days, if he knows him) to keep a <HI>holy re&s;t</HI> with Mr. <HI>R.</HI> <NOTE PLACE="marg">In the mean time, the Con|tumelies, Con|tempt, and op|probrious abu|&s;es, the members of Mr. <HI>Peak's,</HI> Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI>'s, Mr. <HI>Raworth</HI>'s and of &s;ome o|ther Churches, met with below in the yard, du|ring the fore|&s;aid Di&s;cour&s;e with <HI>O. Crom|wel.</HI></NOTE> But to <HI>pa&s;s over</HI> that and leave it to the <HI>Judge of heaven and earth,</HI> who (we are &s;ure) will not <HI>over|pa&s;s</HI> it.</P>
<P>During this <HI>Di&s;cour&s;e</HI> between Mr. <HI>R.</HI> and the <HI>Great man</HI> above, the <HI>Brethren</HI> that were below in the yard, had their &s;hare of <HI>re|proaches</HI> and <HI>abu&s;es.</HI> For the <HI>members</HI> of the <HI>Churches of Chri&s;t</HI> who could not have acce&s;s with Mr. <HI>Ro.</HI> were kept below, and <HI>en|compa&s;&s;ed about</HI> with divers of the <HI>deboi&s;t Souldiers;</HI> who when they heard us <HI>declare again&s;t</HI> tho&s;e <HI>barbarous actions</HI> which the <HI>Guard</HI> &s;o cruelly acted with their <HI>Swords,</HI> again&s;t our <HI>naked bre|thren</HI> and <HI>friends,</HI> tho&s;e afore&s;aid <HI>Souldiers</HI> began to que&s;tion the <HI>occa&s;ion</HI> of our being there: which when we had told them, they began to &s;et up their <HI>voices,</HI> (many of them) <HI>hooting</HI> and <HI>hi&s;&s;ing</HI> at <GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="OXF" EXTENT="1 span"> as if we had not been <HI>Chri&s;tians,</HI> or <HI>creatures</HI> of the <HI>like make</HI>
<PB N="40" REF="21">with them&s;elves; telling us we had often <HI>ri&s;en,</HI> and they had <HI>allayed</HI> us, and they made <HI>no que&s;tion</HI> but they &s;hould al&s;o <HI>allay</HI> us at this time, if we intended to ri&s;e. To whom we an&s;wered, that there was <HI>no &s;uch thing</HI> in cur eye <HI>now,</HI> as to <HI>avenge</HI> our &s;elves by or with <HI>external weapons:</HI> but &s;aid, We have here <HI>Swords</HI> (&s;hewing our <HI>Bibles</HI>) which we believe will, in <HI>God's appointed time,</HI> (being <HI>guided</HI> and <HI>accompanied</HI> by his <HI>Spirit</HI>) <HI>de&s;troy</HI> and <HI>cut in pieces</HI> your Swords, which now you <HI>draw</HI> again&s;t <HI>us</HI> and <HI>it.</HI></P>
<P>Afterwards we further ob&s;erved, that whil&s;t we were waiting be|lowe in the open yard, for the return of our <HI>friend,</HI> and <HI>friends,</HI> there being of us (as neer as we can remember) betwixt <HI>fourty</HI> and <HI>fifty</HI> per&s;ons, (men and women) that we could finde <HI>no place</HI> in the afore&s;aid yard, where we might have any <HI>quiet,</HI> or be <HI>free</HI> from the <HI>uncivil reproaches, &s;coffing, jeers, bla&s;phemous nicknames,</HI> and what not? which &s;ome of the afore&s;aid <HI>Foot-guard</HI> threw upon us, with great <HI>contempt</HI> and <HI>&s;corn,</HI> telling us, <HI>Bridewel</HI> and &s;uch-like places were <HI>&s;itter</HI> for us, <NOTE PLACE="marg">So that we be|lieve, the Lord bath a little remnant in the army al&s;o, who&s;e &s;ouls do &s;ecretly mourn for the&s;e Abominations: and it is ob&s;er|vable, that the Lord hath by degrees pull'd the choice&s;t of them out of this Apo&s;tate-army, that they might not partake of their plagues; as, M.G. <HI>Ha|ri&s;on,</HI> col. <HI>Rich</HI> Col. <HI>Okey,</HI> col. <HI>Alured,</HI> Adj. G. <HI>Allen,</HI> M.G. <HI>Overton,</HI> Maj. <HI>Wiggens,</HI> Dr. <HI>Day,</HI> and many others.</NOTE> then to be <HI>there?</HI></P>
<P>But in the mid&s;t of their <HI>uncivil, unchri&s;tian-like,</HI> and <HI>very leud language</HI> to us, we cannot but remember that &s;pirit of <HI>remor&s;e</HI> and <HI>pity</HI> which &s;eemed to be in &s;ome of their <HI>Officers,</HI> to &s;ee us &s;o abu|&s;ed: in&s;omuch as <HI>&s;ome</HI> of the &s;aid Officers told us they were &s;orry to &s;ee &s;uch things, namely, the <HI>uncivil carriage</HI> of &s;ome of their <HI>Souldiers:</HI> yet (&s;aid they) we cannot expect <HI>better,</HI> where it is not.</P>
<P>Thus, for the &s;pace of <HI>divers hours,</HI> we were <HI>barried</HI> up and down, not being &s;uffered to be in <HI>quiet</HI> in <HI>any one place,</HI> without the company of divers of tho&s;e <HI>unruly fellows,</HI> whom we &s;hould have been content to let <HI>hear</HI> our <HI>di&s;cour&s;e,</HI> would they have &s;uffered us to <HI>&s;tand &s;till</HI> or in <HI>quiet:</HI> But they &s;o <HI>uncivilly</HI> &amp; mo&s;t <HI>ungodlily</HI> &s;hew their <HI>ob&s;cene</HI> and <HI>&s;ilt by &s;peeches</HI> and <HI>actions;</HI> yea, they <HI>pulled</HI> and <HI>haled</HI> divers of the <HI>women</HI> and <HI>maids</HI> that were there of our friends, and &s;aid that <HI>we made no con&s;cience of our ways,</HI> and that they were of <HI>light principles,</HI> u&s;ing &s;uch <HI>words</HI> and <HI>ge&s;tures</HI> to them and us, as we are a&s;hamed to utter or expre&s;s; be&s;ides manifold more <HI>provoca|tions, revilings,</HI> and <HI>filthy &s;peeches,</HI> and <HI>threatnings,</HI> and <HI>&s;inful actions,</HI> wherein they &s;eemed to take <HI>great delight.</HI></P>
<P>But after Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> and the <HI>Brethren</HI> that were with him came down into the Yard, many <HI>friends</HI> gathered about him. Whiles
<PB N="41" REF="21">Mr. <HI>R.</HI> (being remanded again to pri&s;on) was going to take water with his <HI>Keeper,</HI> he heard M.G. <HI>Hari&s;on,</HI> Col.<HI>Rich,</HI> Mr.<HI>Carew,</HI> Qu.M.Gen. <HI>Courtney,</HI> Mr. <HI>Ireton,</HI> Mr. <HI>Squib,</HI> with many others, were there, in the yard: &s;o that Mr. <HI>Ro.</HI> went to them. And after <HI>joyful Salutations,</HI> he told them he was going to <HI>Pri&s;on</HI> again <GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="OXF" EXTENT="1 letter"> and that there were <HI>Articles</HI> put in by <HI>wicked men</HI> out of the Pri|&s;on again&s;t him, which he excepted again&s;t as <HI>illegal,</HI> and as given in by <HI>Plotters,</HI> and men given to <HI>drinking, &s;wearing,</HI> and &s;uch-like <HI>&s;ins;</HI> and &s;ome <HI>others,</HI> which were read again&s;t him, from <HI>Tho. Apo&s;tles.</HI> But as he was telling this, he was interrupted by one that cried out, <HI>That is fal&s;e, it is fal&s;e.</HI> Upon which, he was <HI>&s;ilent,</HI> to look upon the man that &s;o &s;aid: and it was Mr. <HI>Kiffen,</HI> (who had crowded among us, to li&s;ten for tales to carry to his Ma&s;ter) who then &s;aid, They were not Articles put in by <HI>Drunkards,</HI> that is untrue, <HI>&amp;c.</HI> but by hone&s;t <HI>Godly men</HI> that heard you at <HI>Tho. Apo|&s;tles.</HI> To which Mr. <HI>Ro.</HI> replied, that the Articles were of <HI>two &s;orts:</HI> tho&s;e <HI>read,</HI> were from <HI>Tho. Apo&s;tles;</HI> but tho&s;e <HI>unread,</HI> (which he excepted again&s;t) were from <HI>Lambeth,</HI> given in by &s;uch <HI>leud men,</HI> and he &s;aw them upon the <HI>Table:</HI> and that his Lord <HI>Pro|tector</HI> (be&s;ides) &s;aid they had <HI>Informations</HI> from the <HI>Pri&s;on,</HI> and moreover read one of them, <HI>viz.</HI> that of the <HI>Great Dragon;</HI> and Sergeant <HI>Dendy</HI> &s;ent them to Mr. <HI>Thurloe,</HI> as was proved: &s;o that it was not <HI>fal&s;e,</HI> but <HI>very true.</HI> At which Mr. <HI>Kiffen</HI> was &s;o &s;ilen|ced, that he could not &s;ay a word for him&s;elf. Which &s;ome of the Gentlemen by, &s;eeing, reproved him for his <HI>ra&s;hne&s;s:</HI> and &s;o Mr. <HI>Ro.</HI> and they parted, perceiving people to <HI>flock</HI> about them and with|out doubt, to have &s;omewhat to <HI>inform</HI> their <HI>Great Ma&s;ter</HI> again&s;t Mr. <HI>Ro.</HI> or &s;ome of the poor <HI>Saints;</HI> for that is the <HI>principle</HI> and <HI>practice</HI> of <HI>&s;elf-&s;eeking Sycophants</HI> and <HI>Court-Para&s;ites,</HI> to <HI>make</HI> them&s;elves, and not care how they <HI>murther</HI> others, or what they <HI>in|form</HI> again&s;t them.</P>
<P>Whiles Mr. <HI>R.</HI> was carried away to <HI>pri&s;on</HI> again, <NOTE PLACE="marg">M.G. <HI>Hari&s;on,</HI> Col. <HI>Rich,</HI> Mr. <HI>Carew,</HI> Mr. <HI>Squib,</HI> Mr. <HI>Courtney,</HI> Mr. <HI>Ireton,</HI> &amp; ma|ny others, con|tinued up the <HI>Te&s;timony</HI> &amp; the <HI>Demand</HI> to <HI>O. P.</HI> the very &s;ame night.</NOTE> the fore&s;aid Gentlemen (of <HI>much merit,</HI> and <HI>&s;ingular honour</HI> among&s;t the <HI>choi|ce&s;t Saints,</HI> for their un&s;potted <HI>&s;anctity,</HI> and <HI>integrity</HI> to the <HI>betray|ed Truth</HI> and <HI>Cau&s;e</HI> of Chri&s;t) went up to the <HI>Great Man;</HI> although before they could have any acce&s;s, the <HI>Sword was drawn</HI> at them al|&s;o, and &s;et at Mr. <HI>Carey</HI>'s bre&s;t: but after eight or ten of them had <HI>liberty</HI> to <HI>O. P.</HI> they brought him the &s;ome kinde of <HI>Me&s;&s;age</HI> from
<PB N="42" REF="22"><HI>Jehovah,</HI> that was before delivered him by the <HI>Twelve;</HI> making a <HI>Demand</HI> of the <HI>Lord's Pri&s;oners,</HI> and bearing their <HI>Te&s;timony</HI> to his <HI>face,</HI> again&s;t <HI>Him</HI> and <HI>his Government.</HI></P>
<P>In the mean time, Mr. <HI>Kiffen</HI> belowe had got a <HI>company</HI> toge|ther (in Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI>'s ab&s;ence) railing upon him, and &s;aying he was a <HI>wicked man,</HI> and had told what was not true of the <HI>Articles,</HI> and &s;pake again&s;t <HI>his Lord.</HI> But Mr. <HI>G.</HI> (a precious <HI>godly Chri&s;tian,</HI> and a <HI>member</HI> of the Church at <HI>D.</HI>) then &s;pake aloud to Mr. <HI>Kiffen</HI> (as Mr. <HI>K.</HI> did before to Mr. <HI>R.</HI>) &s;aying, <HI>That's fal&s;e:</HI> for I can (&s;ays he) no more be &s;ilent for Mr. <HI>Rogers,</HI> then you can be for your <HI>Lord Protector:</HI> What Mr. <HI>R.</HI> &s;pake was <HI>truth,</HI> as he made it appear to your face; (and then he told him how.) So that poor Mr. <HI>K.</HI> was &s;ilenc'd again the <HI>&s;econd time,</HI> and could not go on, till a more <HI>pri|vate</HI> and <HI>clande&s;tine meeting</HI> among his own kinde of <HI>Time-&s;er|vers</HI> and <HI>Self-&s;eekers,</HI> where he might tell his <HI>untruths</HI> again&s;t Mr. Mr. <HI>R.</HI> M.G. <HI>Hari&s;on,</HI> and others, without <HI>control,</HI> (as we hear <HI>he,</HI> with &s;ome that belong unto him, have done at large) and have them taken upon the <HI>tru&s;t</HI> and <HI>credit</HI> of his <HI>word</HI> at a venture: it is but <HI>rea&s;on</HI> and <HI>gratitude</HI> to his <HI>Great Ma&s;ter,</HI> to po&s;&s;e&s;s <HI>all he can</HI> again&s;t the poor <HI>per&s;ecuted Saints,</HI> in the behalf of him to whom he is &s;o highly obliged, (above <HI>any one man</HI> almo&s;t in <HI>England</HI>) for his large <HI>favors,</HI> &amp; beneficial <HI>Patentees.</HI> But ere long <HI>the Merchants who were made Rich</HI> (by compliance with <HI>Babylon) &s;hall weep and wail, and &s;ay, Alas, Alas!</HI> Rev. 18.15, 16.</P>
<P>It is to be <HI>ob&s;erved,</HI> <NOTE PLACE="marg">&s;omewhat ob|&s;ervable.</NOTE> that <HI>very day</HI> the <HI>Sword</HI> was drawn <HI>twice</HI> at the <HI>Witne&s;&s;es</HI> and <HI>Womans Seed.</HI> The <HI>Providence</HI> is al&s;o <HI>ad|mirable,</HI> at that very <HI>juncture</HI> when Mr. <HI>R.</HI> and the <HI>Brethren</HI> were before him, to maintain the <HI>Te&s;timony</HI> and <HI>Demand</HI> made by the <HI>Twelve,</HI> that on <HI>that very day</HI> (many <HI>A&s;&s;emblies</HI> of the <HI>Saints</HI> in &s;everal places, being hard at the <HI>Throne</HI>) the <HI>Lord</HI> &s;hould call out <HI>one</HI> (unknown to any of us) whole <HI>Meeting</HI> of the <HI>praying num|ber</HI> (being about 34 men) to go to <HI>Whitehal,</HI> and bear their <HI>Wit|ne&s;s</HI> al&s;o.</P>
<P>The <HI>concurrence</HI> of the <HI>Te&s;timony</HI> and the <HI>Demand</HI> is no le&s;s <HI>con&s;iderable,</HI> &s;eeing <HI>one</HI> had not the knowledge of the <HI>others</HI> Me&s;|&s;age, that M.G. <HI>Hari&s;on,</HI> Mr. <HI>Carew,</HI> and the <HI>re&s;t,</HI> &s;hould <HI>&s;econd</HI> the afore&s;aid <HI>Twelve,</HI> by a meer <HI>hand</HI> and <HI>call</HI> of <HI>God,</HI> which they were <HI>obedient unto;</HI> (which is very <HI>exemplary</HI> and <HI>encouraging</HI>
<PB N="43" REF="22">to all the <HI>Saints</HI> and <HI>Churches</HI> in <HI>England,</HI> who are faithful to the <HI>Cau&s;e</HI> of Chri&s;t) &s;eeing &s;o <HI>leading</HI> and <HI>calling</HI> a Providence.</P>
<P>The <HI>Demand</HI> and the <HI>Te&s;timony</HI> is of a &s;udden gotten to a <HI>high pitch,</HI> <NOTE PLACE="marg">The Te&s;timony up at a high pitch.</NOTE> which doth mightily rai&s;e up the <HI>expectations</HI> of the <HI>believing remnant.</HI></P>
<P>It is not meet for us to <HI>publi&s;h</HI> the <HI>matter</HI> of their <HI>Testimony,</HI> (being of the <HI>&s;ame nature</HI> with this <HI>Narrative</HI>) neither can we do it &s;o <HI>accurately</HI> and <HI>faithfully</HI> as we hope &s;ome others <HI>will;</HI> The pre&s;ent <HI>work</HI> of the <HI>Day,</HI> (to <HI>gag</HI> the <HI>mi&s;reports</HI> thereupon) for the <HI>quickning</HI> and <HI>&s;trengthning</HI> them that are to <HI>follow</HI> us, calling for the <HI>publica|tion</HI> thereof without <HI>delay,</HI> where-ever it lies. And the rather, for that <HI>Tho&s;e choice &s;ervants of the Lord Je&s;us,</HI> <NOTE PLACE="marg">M.G. <HI>Hari&s;on</HI> Mr. <HI>Carew,</HI> &amp; Mr. <HI>Courtney,</HI> &s;ent away with a Troop of hor&s;e to pri&s;on, we know not whi|ther, the <HI>22</HI> day of the <HI>12</HI> month</NOTE> M.G. <HI>Hari&s;on,</HI> Col. <HI>Rich,</HI> Mr. <HI>Carew,</HI> and Col. <HI>Courtney,</HI> are &s;o cruelly u&s;ed for their <HI>Te&s;timony</HI> and the <HI>Truths &s;ake,</HI> (having no <HI>fact</HI> (but their <HI>faith</HI>) to charge them with) and hurried away to <HI>Pri&s;on</HI> with a <HI>Troop of Hor&s;e,</HI> and we know not whither. So that the man mu&s;t needs be <HI>wilfully blinde</HI> indeed now, that will not &s;ee and &s;ay, <HI>The Saints are under Per&s;ecution.</HI></P>
<P>Therefore let not the <HI>good People</HI> of the <HI>Nation</HI> be &s;o &s;hamefully <HI>abu&s;ed</HI> and <HI>deceived</HI> as they have been, <NOTE PLACE="marg">A word of Cau|tion.</NOTE> with <HI>lying Pamphlets</HI> and <HI>Informers,</HI> whiles the <HI>Truth</HI> cannot, mu&s;t not, date not be <HI>printed,</HI> for fear of <HI>offending</HI> the men in <HI>Power,</HI> and &s;uffering a <HI>Pri&s;on,</HI> or <HI>wor&s;e.</HI> Of all, beware of that <HI>Abominable Oracle</HI> the late <HI>Iron|monger</HI> (but now <HI>Pari&s;h-Preacher</HI>) <NOTE N="*" PLACE="marg">A man &s;o ba&s;e and &s;candalous, as makes him horrible, and his Name to &s;tink among the Churches, as very unfit mat|ter to be a member of a Church, but ra|ther fit to be excommunicat|ed, &amp; exploded the &s;ociety of all the Saints, for bringing &s;o foul reproach upon Religion, which he hath formerly pretended to; till he followed this Trade of Merchant for Lyes.</NOTE> <HI>Walker,</HI> (his <HI>Weekly Pro|ceedings</HI>) who&s;e <HI>forehead</HI> hath for many yeers been <HI>plated</HI> and <HI>bra|zened</HI> in the Trade and Art of <HI>Lying,</HI> making it his <HI>Calling</HI> and his <HI>Living</HI> (except the <HI>Tryers</HI> help him more ea&s;ily to the <HI>Pari&s;h-Tythes.</HI>) This drives the poor man to &s;o much <HI>pitiful &s;oraping</HI> a|mong the <HI>Court-Clerks</HI> for a few <HI>Lyes</HI> to &s;ell every week at an <HI>ea&s;ie rate,</HI> that he and his family may <HI>live comfortably</HI> upon the <HI>lying &s;landering,</HI> and <HI>traducing</HI> the Lords <HI>peculiar ones,</HI> who are as the <HI>apple of his eyes.</HI> How lamentably he hath abu&s;ed Mr. <HI>Feak,</HI> Mr. <HI>Rogers</HI> M.G. <HI>Overton</HI> and many others, is well known, and <HI>one day</HI> he mu&s;t <HI>an&s;wer</HI> before the ju&s;t <HI>Judge of all hearts,</HI> with a <HI>wan countenance,</HI> and <HI>woful con&s;cience,</HI> however he thinks to <HI>palliate</HI> it at pre&s;ent with a <HI>So't was told me.</HI> But as <HI>Solomon</HI> &s;ays, Prov. 17.
<PB N="44" REF="23">4. <HI>A lyer giveth ear to a naughty tongue;</HI> and the <HI>cur&s;e</HI> is threatned not onely to them that <HI>make,</HI> but them that <HI>receive</HI> and <HI>report</HI> Lyes, <HI>Rev.</HI> 21. Therefore (<HI>Exod.</HI> 23.1.) <HI>Put not thy hand to an unrighteous witne&s;s.</HI></P>
<P>The&s;e things are <HI>publi&s;hed</HI> in meer love to the <HI>Truth</HI> and <HI>de&s;pi|&s;ed Saints</HI> of God, for who&s;e &s;ake we are contented to become a <HI>reproach</HI> in the <HI>world,</HI> and to <HI>&s;uffer any thing</HI> (by his <HI>Grace</HI>) that <HI>man</HI> can inflict upon us, &s;o our dear <HI>Lord Je&s;us</HI> may but <HI>reign,</HI> his <HI>Truth</HI> triumph, and his <HI>Kingdom</HI> be exalted. <HI>Amen. Amen.</HI></P>
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