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<NAME>Pip Willcox</NAME>
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<P>TWO SPEECHES &s;poken in the hou&s;e of the LORDS, By the Lord Vi&s;count <HI>Newarke.</HI></P>
<P>The fir&s;t Concerning the right of Bi&s;hops to &s;it in Parliament, <HI>May</HI> 21, 1641.</P>
<P>The &s;econd about the lawfulnes and conveniency of their intermed|ling in Temporall affaires, <HI>May</HI> the 24th. following.</P>
<P>London, Printed 1641.</P>
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<HEAD>The fir&s;t Speech Concerning the right of <HI>Bi&s;hops</HI> to &s;it in Parliament, <HI>May</HI> 21. 1641.</HEAD>
<OPENER><SALUTE>My Lords,</SALUTE></OPENER>
<P>_I Shall take the boldne&s;&s;e to &s;peak a word or two upon this &s;ubject, fir&s;t as it is in it &s;elfe, then as it is in the con&s;equence: For the former I thinke hee is a great &s;tranger in Antiquity, that is not well acquainted with that of their &s;itting here, they have done thus and in this manner, almo&s;t &s;ince the conque&s;t, and by the &s;ame power and the &s;ame right the other Peeres did, and your Lord&s;hips now doe, and to be put from this their due, &s;o much their due, by &s;o many hundred yeeres &s;trengthened and confirmed,
<PB N="2" REF="3"> and that without any offence, nay, pretence of any, &s;eems to mee to be very &s;evere; if it be <HI>jus,</HI> I dare boldly &s;ay it is <HI>&s;ummum.</HI> That this hinders their Eccle&s;ia&s;ticall vocation, an argument I heare much of, hath in my apprehen&s;ion more of &s;hadow then &s;ub&s;tance in it: if this be a rea&s;on, &s;ure I am it might have been one &s;ix hundred yeers ago.</P>
<P>A Bi&s;hop, my Lords, is not &s;o circum&s;cribed with|in the circumference of his Dioce&s;&s;e, that his &s;ome|times ab&s;ence can bee termed, no not in the mo&s;t &s;trict &s;en&s;e a neglect or hinderance of his duty, no more then that of a Lievtenant from his County, they both have their &s;ubordinate Mini&s;ters, upon which their influences fall, though the di&s;tance be remote.</P>
<P>Be&s;ides, my Lords, the le&s;&s;er mu&s;t yield to the greater good; to make whol&s;ome and good Laws for the happy and well regulating of Church and Common-wealth, is certainly more advantagious to both, then the want of the per&s;onall execution of their office, and that but once in three yeers, and then peradventure but a moneth or two, can be pre|judiciall to either. I will go no further to prove this, which &s;o long experience hath done &s;o fully, &s;o demon&s;tratively.</P>
<P>And now my Lords, by your Lord&s;hips good leave, I &s;hall &s;peak to the con&s;equence as it reflects both on your Lord&s;hips, and my Lords the Bi&s;hops. Dangers &amp; inconveniences are ever be&s;t prevented <HI>&egrave; longinquo;</HI> this pre&s;ident comes neere to your Lord&s;hips, and &s;uch a one, that <HI>mutato nomine devo|bis.</HI> Pretences are never wanting, nay, &s;ometimes
<PB N="3" REF="3"> the greate&s;t evils appeare in the mo&s;t faire and &s;pe|cious out&s;ides, witne&s;&s;e the Shipmony, the mo&s;t abominable, the mo&s;t illegall thing that ever was, and yet this was painted over with colour of the Law; what Bench is &s;ecure, if to alleage, be to convince, and which of your Lord&s;hips can &s;ay then hee &s;hall continue a member of this Hou&s;e, when at one blow twenty &s;ixe are cut off. It then behoves the Neighbour to look about him <HI>cum pro|ximus ardet Vcalegon.</HI></P>
<P>And for the Bi&s;hops, my Lords, in what condi|tion will you leave them? The Hou&s;e of Com|mons repre&s;ents the meane&s;t per&s;on, &s;o did the Ma&s;ter his Slave, but they have none to doe &s;o much for them, and what ju&s;tice can tie them to the ob&s;ervation of tho&s;e Laws, to who&s;e con&s;titu|tion they give no con&s;ent, the wi&s;dome of former times gave proxies unto this Hou&s;e meerly upon this ground, that every one might have a hand in the making of that, which he had an Obligation to obey: This Hou&s;e could not repre&s;ent, therefore proxies in room of per&s;ons were mo&s;t ju&s;tly allowed.</P>
<P>And now my Lords, before I conclude, I be&s;eech your Lord&s;hips to ca&s;t your eyes upon the Church, which I know is mo&s;t deare and tender to your Lord&s;hips, you will &s;ee her &s;uffer in her mo&s;t princi|pall members, and deprived of that honour which here and throughout all the Chri&s;tian World ever &s;ince Chri&s;tianity &s;he con&s;tantly hath enjoyed; for what Nation or Kingdome is there in who&s;e great and publike a&s;&s;emblies, and that from, her begin|ning, &s;hee had not &s;ome of hers if I may not &s;ay as e&s;&s;entiall, I am &s;ure I may &s;ay as in|tegrall,
<PB N="4" REF="4"> parts thereof, and truly my Lords, Chri&s;ti|anitie cannot alone boa&s;t of this or challenge it on|ly as hers, even Heatheni&s;me claimes an equall &s;hare.</P>
<P>I never read of any of them, Civill or Barba|rous, that gave not thus much to their Religion, &s;o that it &s;eems to me to have no other originall, to flow from no other &s;pring than Nature it &s;elfe.</P>
<P>But I have done, and will trouble your Lord&s;hips no longer, how it may &s;tand with the honour and ju&s;tice of this Hou&s;e to p<GAP DESC="illegible" RESP="apex" EXTENT="1 letter">&s;&s;e this Bill, I mo&s;t hum|bly &s;ubmit unto your Lord&s;hips, the mo&s;t proper and only Judges of them both.</P>
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