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<P>Certaine Additionall REASONS To tho&s;e pre&s;ented in A LETTER By the MINISTERS of <HI>London</HI> to the A&s;&s;embly of DIVINES at <HI>We&s;t|min&s;ter,</HI> 1 <HI>Ian.</HI> 1645.</P>
<P>Of like power and force again&s;t the TOLERATION OF <HI>INDEPENDENCY</HI> Together with &s;ome taken out of the <HI>Letter</HI> it &s;elfe (of tho&s;e Mini&s;ters in which their Rea&s;ons are enclo&s;ed) which lay couched &s;omewhat ob&s;curely.</P>
<Q LANG="lat">Quos perdere vult&mdash;dementat.</Q>
<Q><BIBL>2 Tim. 3.9.</BIBL> <P>They &s;hall proceed no further: but their folly &s;hall be made manife&s;t to all men, as theirs al&s;o was.</P></Q>
<Q><BIBL>I&s;a. 42.19.</BIBL> <P>Who is blinde, but my &s;ervant? or deafe, as my me&s;&s;en|ger that I &s;ent?</P></Q>
<Q><BIBL>Ioh. 11.48.</BIBL> <P>If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him, and the Romans will come, &amp;c.</P></Q>
<Q><BIBL>Ioh. 19.12.</BIBL> <P>If thou let this man goe, thou art not Ce&s;ars friend.</P></Q>
<Q><BIBL>2 Pet. 15.</BIBL> <P>Account that the Toleration of the Lord is &s;alvation.</P></Q>
<Q><BIBL>Lam. 4.3.</BIBL> <P>Even the &s;ea-mon&s;ters draw out the brea&s;t, they give &s;uck to their young ones: the daughter of my people is become cruell, like the O&s;triches in the wilderne&s;&s;e.</P></Q>
<P><HI>London,</HI> Printed for <HI>Giles Calvert,</HI> at the black &s;pread-Eagle, at the We&s;t end of <HI>Pauls,</HI> 1645.</P>
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<P>THe Rea&s;ons under the fir&s;t head, <HI>viz. That the de&s;ires and endeavours of the Independents for a Toleration, are at this time extreamly un&s;ea&s;o|nable and preproperous.</HI></P>
<P N="1">1. The gap is not wide enough for the enemy to break in upon us, <HI>Therefore it is at this time extramely un&s;ea&s;onable and preprope|rous, to make it up by endeavouring a Toleration of Independency.</HI></P>
<P N="2">2. The <HI>Independents</HI> great &s;ervice and faithfull a&s;&s;i&s;tance in the re&s;cue of the Kingdome near lo&s;t, is now fre&s;h in every ones eye, <HI>Therefore the de&s;ires and endeavours of the</HI> Independents <HI>for a Toleration are at this time extreamly un&s;ea&s;onable and preproperous.</HI></P>
<P N="3">3. The State for the pre&s;ent hath great need of the continuance of their a&s;&s;i&s;tance, <HI>Therefore their de&s;ires to the State for a Tolera|tion are at this time extreamely un&s;ea&s;onable and preproperous.</HI></P>
<P N="4">4. The <HI>Independents</HI> have hopes for the con&s;iderations mentio|ned, that if now they move, their de&s;ires and endeavours may &s;peed for a Toleration, <HI>Therefore it is extreamely un&s;ea&s;onable and prepro|perous for them &s;o to doe.</HI></P>
<P N="5">5. The Parliament have appointed a Committee to find out a way of Accommodation and Agreement between the <HI>Presbyteri|ans</HI> and <HI>Independents,</HI> and out of <HI>our large experience of your Zeale of Gods glory and care of his afflicted Church, and earne&s;t endeavours to promote the compleat Reformation of it, and of your ready concur|rence with us to improve any meanes that may be found conducible to this end;</HI> We are per&s;waded through you it will come to no|thing; <HI>Therefore it is extreamely un&s;ea&s;onable and preproperous for the</HI> Independents <HI>to de&s;ire and endeavour a Toleration.</HI></P>
<P N="6">6. The <HI>Independents</HI> will not be per&s;waded, to joyn with us as &s;ome of the City did in Petitioning the Parliament to alter their rule that we might be inve&s;ted with full power, and &s;o to intru&s;t us with their Liberty, <HI>Therefore it is at this time extreamely un&s;ea|&s;onable and preproperous for the</HI> Independents <HI>to de&s;ire and endeavour and Toleration.</HI></P>
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<HEAD>Rea&s;ons under the &s;econd head, which is, <HI>That their de&s;ires and endeavours after Toleration are unrea&s;onable and unequall in di|vers regards.</HI></HEAD>
<P N="1">1. We are the <HI>Major number</HI> and have the Major part in the
<PB N="3" REF="2">Kingdom adhering to us even tho&s;e that have no Religion, <HI>There|fore the de&s;ires and endeavours of the</HI> Independents <HI>for a Toleration are unequall.</HI></P>
<P N="2">2. There is an exceeding great want of godly and learned Mi|ni&s;ters to in&s;truct the people in the knowledge of Ie&s;us Chri&s;t, &s;o that many parts of this Kingdome mu&s;t be left de&s;titute except the <HI>Independents</HI> be imployed, <HI>Therefore their de&s;ires and endeavours for Toleration are unrea&s;onable and unequall.</HI></P>
<P N="3">3. A Toleration &s;hould be <HI>given</HI> the Independents <HI>without asking</HI> in con&s;ideration of their good &s;ervice (above &s;pecified) if no more, <HI>The King &s;aid what hath been done to</HI> Mordecay <HI>for this, the Kings &s;ervants &s;aid, There is nothing done for him,</HI> He&s;t. 6.3. <HI>Therefore the</HI> Independents <HI>de&s;ires and endeavours for Toleration are unrea|&s;onable and unequall.</HI></P>
<P N="4">4. The <HI>Independents</HI> are per&s;waded in their con&s;ciences, that the Order, Di&s;cipline and Government, they hold forth, is of Ie&s;us Chri&s;t, <HI>Therefore their de&s;ires and endeavours for Toleration are unrea&s;onable and unequall.</HI></P>
<P N="5">5. Wee doe acknowledge the <HI>Independents, godly and and learned Brethren,</HI> and &s;uch as <HI>God hath received, Rom.</HI> 14.3. Therefore do judge it <HI>unrea&s;onable and unequall</HI> to heare from them of dwelling in unity with them by a <HI>Toleration.</HI></P>
<P>And this appeares further from tho&s;e Scriptures, <HI>Rom.</HI> 15.1. <HI>Phil.</HI> 3.15, 16. <HI>&amp; Gal.</HI> 6.1. beare one anothers burthens, <HI>Therefore a Toleration is unrea&s;onable and unequal.</HI></P>
<P>Al&s;o that <HI>Mat.</HI> 9.13. Goe yee and learne what that meanes, I will have mercy and not &s;acrifice, <HI>Therefore the de&s;ires and endea|vours of</HI> Independents <HI>for Toleration,</HI> and mercy in the different manner of &s;acrifice or outward wor&s;hip is <HI>unrea&s;onable and unequal.</HI></P>
<P>And that Scripture, <HI>Rom.</HI> 13.10. <HI>Love is the fulfilling of the Law,</HI> which we preach all of us again&s;t the <HI>Antinomians</HI> in &s;uch a way as doe beare the name of <HI>Legall Preachers.</HI> Now <HI>love beareth long, and is kind, envyeth not, is not ea&s;ily provoked, thinketh no evill, beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things,</HI> 1 Cor. 23.4, 5, 7. <HI>Therefore the</HI> Independents <HI>de&s;ires of love</HI> to be expre&s;&s;ed in <HI>Toleration are unrea&s;onable and unequal.</HI></P>
<P N="6">6. The <HI>Bi&s;hops</HI> would never allow <HI>us</HI> a Toleration, <HI>Therefore the de&s;ire is unrea&s;onable, &amp;c.</HI></P>
<P N="7"><PB N="4" REF="3"> 7. Many of us it is well known &s;uffered with our Independent Brethren under the Bi&s;hops tyranny, and groaned under &s;ad bur|thens, then, Therefore we judge it <HI>unrea&s;onable and unequall,</HI> that they di&s;&s;enting from us now, &s;hould <HI>de&s;ire a Toleration.</HI></P>
<P N="8">8. <HI>All things</HI> are not to be tolerated, nor all men to doe <HI>what they li&s;t,</HI> as we in our ordinary preaching doe plead again&s;t the <HI>Independents, Therefore the</HI> Independents <HI>de&s;ire to be con&s;idered in the &s;maller matters of uniformity, is unrea&s;onable and unequall.</HI></P>
<P N="9">9. Your &s;elves have undertaken to the Independents long &s;ince, namely in your Con&s;iderations tendered <HI>Dec.</HI> 23. 1643. in the&s;e words, That no doubt the coun&s;els of the
<NOTE PLACE="marg">* Ego &amp; Rex meus.</NOTE> A&s;&s;embly, and the care of the Parliament will be not only &amp;c. but to pre&s;erve whatever &s;hall appeare to be the rights of particular Congregations accor|ding to the word, and to beare with &s;uch who&s;e con&s;ciences cannot conforme in all things to the publike Rule, &s;o farre as the word of God would have them borne withall. <HI>Therefore it is unrea&s;ona le for the Independents to de&s;ire and endeavour a Toleration.</HI></P>
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<HEAD>Rea&s;ons under the third head, <HI>viz. That Indepen|dency is a Schi&s;me.</HI></HEAD>
<P N="1">1. The <HI>Independents</HI> doe depart from the <HI>corruptions</HI> of our Churches; <HI>therefore Independency is a Schi&s;me.</HI></P>
<P N="2">2. The <HI>Independents</HI> doe profe&s;&s;e they cannot approve of all that we doe or would have e&s;tabli&s;hed, nor joyne with us therein <HI>without &s;inning again&s;t Chri&s;t, therefore Independency is a Schi&s;m.</HI></P>
<P N="3">3. The <HI>Independents</HI> by holding out their way, and by the &s;uc|ce&s;&s;e thereof, are to us an <HI>occa&s;ion</HI> of envyings, &s;trife, and divi&s;ion, &s;o that <HI>we walk as men,</HI> and appeare to be <HI>carnall</HI> that &s;hould bee thought to be <HI>&s;pirituall; therefore Independency is a Schi&s;m.</HI></P>
<P N="4">4. The <HI>Independents</HI> de&s;igne is to divide and &s;eparate the <HI>Saints</HI> from the <HI>World,</HI> which we would piece together, for <HI>the Churches coat may be of divers colours,</HI> as we &s;ay in the begining of our Let|ter; <HI>therefore Independency is a Schi&s;m.</HI></P>
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<HEAD>Rea&s;ons under the fourth head, <HI>viz. Many mi&s;chiefs will inevi|tably follow upon this Toleration, and that both to Church and Commonwealth.</HI></HEAD>
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<HEAD>Fir&s;t, <HI>To the Church.</HI></HEAD>
<P N="1"><PB N="5" REF="3"> 1. God is now pulling downe Antichri&s;t, and pulling up the foundation and &s;tump of that Mon&s;ter which lies in the <HI>Pride, Ambition and Worldline&s;&s;e of the Mini&s;try,</HI> which the Independents by their preaching are daily di&s;covering and rooting up; and the perfecting of this is a mi&s;chiefe that will inevitably follow upon the Toleration of Independency. Now &s;hall not <HI>Dagons</HI> &s;tump &s;tand? &s;hall the Saints proceed further again&s;t Antichri&s;t then Antichri&s;t can again&s;t them? (the Lord &s;till <HI>leaving them a &s;eed;)</HI> therefore it is but time to cry with that Watcher from heaven, <HI>Dan.</HI> 4.23. <HI>Leave the &s;tump of the root thereof in the earth.</HI></P>
<P N="2">2. Our Trade and living would by degrees fall to the ground by Toleration; for either we mu&s;t part with all the godly that will not endure mixture, or el&s;e we mu&s;t make a Schi&s;me, and di&s;|plea&s;e the worldly party, and where is then our &s;ub&s;i&s;tence? &s;o that Independency endangers the <HI>cutting off of a Tribe</HI> in I&s;rael, not <HI>Benjamin</HI> but <HI>Levi; therefore Independency is a mi&s;chiefe to the Church.</HI></P>
<P N="3">3. The Independents by their preaching and other deport|ment do in&s;inuate into, and gaine upon the people the reputa|tion of painfull and humble &s;pirited men; &s;o that they will in time cloathe them&s;elves with the love of all that are but civill and rationall, and we the godly, painfull and Orthodox Mini&s;try of the Land, if wee &s;hall proceed as is our de&s;ire to doe, we &s;hall not only lo&s;e our maintenance, but our honour and e&s;teeme; <HI>therefore the toleration of the&s;e men is mi&s;chievous to the Church.</HI></P>
<P N="4">4 The Independents do intru&s;t the people in a Liberty which they &s;ay Chri&s;t hath given them, and cry up the Scripture for the only Rule, and that compleat and perfect, and exalt Chri&s;t in his propheticall Office, directing all men to a dependance on the Spirit of Chri&s;t for deciding Controver&s;ies, and re&s;olving Doubts, and by this meanes Mini&s;ters and Synods will not have that Au|thority they have formerly had, when the people &s;hall examine their determinations, by which they ought to be concluded. <HI>Ther|fore Independency is mi&s;chievous to the Church.</HI></P>
<P N="5">5 Independents are not only again&s;t Archbi&s;hops, Bi&s;hops, Deanes, &amp;c. but again&s;t all what&s;over Prelacy of Mini&s;ters, (and &s;o directly again&s;t that Presbyterian power we would have e&s;ta|bli&s;hed;) judging it a plant which God hath not planted, and
<PB N="6" REF="4">therefore will root it up; <HI>therefore Independency is a mi&s;chiefe to the Church.</HI></P>
<P N="6">6. The Independents will ever bee looking for further light, and go on &s;till in Reformation, and would carry the people along with them <HI>to grow in grace and in the knowledge of Je&s;us Chri&s;t,</HI> 2 <HI>Pet.</HI> 3. la&s;t, by which meanes things will never bee &s;etled per|fectly while the Church is militant, <HI>therefore Independency is a mi&s;chiefe to the Church.</HI></P>
<P N="7">7. The Scripture &s;aies, Per&s;ecution &s;hall alwayes await the Saints in the world as being appointed thereunto, 1 <HI>The&s;.</HI> 3.3. Now if there be toleration, there will be no per&s;ecution; and then this mi&s;chiefe will follow, the word of God will fall to the ground, and the Church will want that glory of Martyrs &s;uffe|rings and &s;uffrages to the truth, and trialls of Faith, and that glo|ry of Gods ju&s;tice in executing judgement on &s;uch as will not &s;ee when his hand is lifted up, whom yet he will make to &s;ee and bee a&s;hamed for their envy at the people (according to that Scripture <HI>I&s;a.</HI> 26.11.) and the fire of the enemies them&s;elves &s;hall devoure them.</P>
<P N="8">8. It is impo&s;sible the whole Land &s;hould be of one minde and judgement in all the matters of Religion, be it never &s;o much en|deavoured on all hands, unle&s;&s;e tho&s;e that be contrary minded be de&s;troyed; <HI>therefore toleration is a mi&s;chiefe to the Church.</HI></P>
<P N="9">9 The tares are forbidden to be puld up, le&s;t the wheat be rooted up with them, which danger will bee avoyded by a toleration; <HI>therefore toleration is a mi&s;chiefe.</HI></P>
<P N="10">10 The Independents notwith&s;tanding all our <HI>Declarations</HI> (both in Pulpits and publike places) and <HI>private &s;ugge&s;tions</HI> a|gain&s;t them, as that they are <HI>Antimagi&s;traticall, that they will not make known their way, that they cannot &s;uffer Pre&s;bytery, that they will in the end u&s;e the &s;word for them&s;elves, that they are the Au|thors of all the divi&s;ions, that Independency is the inlet to all Errors and Here&s;ies;</HI> in which we are credited by &s;ome, and notwith|&s;tanding our endeavours to keep them and ca&s;t them out of Le|ctures, and to withdraw the &s;tipend from the Expo&s;ition Lectures; yet for all this they encrea&s;e daily, and whether they do draw tis &s;ure enough the godly cleaves to them: Therefore this mi&s;chiefe mu&s;t needs grow by the toleration of them; and therefore
<PB N="7" REF="4">how unequall and unrea&s;onable it is for them to de&s;ire &s;uch a thing?</P>
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<HEAD>2 <HI>Branch. Mi&s;chiefs to the Commonwealth.</HI></HEAD>
<P N="1">1 In the multitude of people is the &s;afety and honour of the Commonwealth: if there be no Toleration, there will be a dimi|nution of people; <HI>therefore a Toleration is mi&s;chievous to the Com|monwealth.</HI></P>
<P N="2">2 Gods ble&s;&s;ing goes along with his people that truly feare him, and redounds to the benefit of Families and Nations that entertaine and che<GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="1 letter">i&s;h them. <HI>I will ble&s;&s;e them that ble&s;&s;e thee. Therefore the toleration of Independents is a mi&s;chief to the Common|wealth.</HI></P>
<P N="3">3 The unthankfulne&s;&s;e of a people to tho&s;e that have bin the in|&s;truments of their &s;alvation, hath brought judgements upon them, as in that in&s;tance of <HI>Abimolech</HI> and the men of <HI>Shechem,</HI> between whom God &s;ent an evill &s;pirit, whereby fire came forth to the mutuall de&s;truction of one another; and this for not remembring the Lord their God, and not &s;hewing kindne&s;&s;e to the hou&s;e of <HI>Gedeon,</HI> according to all the goodne&s;&s;e he had &s;hewed to I&s;rael, <HI>Iudg.</HI> 8 34, 35. <HI>Therefore the toleration of Independents who have bin in&s;truments of &s;o much good to the kingdom, is mi&s;chievous to the Commonwealth.</HI> For which of the&s;e good works do you &s;tone me?</P>
<P N="4">4 The honour and wi&s;dom of Commonwealths is, to nouri&s;h tho&s;e that are peaceable and beneficiall; <HI>therefore it is mi&s;chievous to the Commonwealth to tolerate Independents.</HI></P>
<P N="5">5 The principles of the Independents carry them to &s;uffer where they cannot obey, though under tho&s;e who owe their &s;afety to them (in a great mea&s;ure) under God: <HI>therfore the toleration of Independents is a mi&s;chiefe to the Commonwealth.</HI></P>
<P N="6">6 It is a Maxim or Rule in Policy, <HI>Make much of knaves, ho|ne&s;t men will do you no hurt:</HI> Therefore the toleration of Indepen|dents, is a mi&s;chiefe to the Commonwealth.</P>
<P N="7">7 The &s;ight of tho&s;e that have been &s;o <HI>obliging</HI> as cannot be re|quited, is an <HI>ey&s;ore: therefore the toleration of Independents is a mi&s;chiefe to the Commonwealth.</HI></P>
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<HEAD>Rea&s;ons explicitly drawn forth, that were but implicitly couched in the Letter it &s;elfe.</HEAD>
<P N="1">1 <HI>We are exceeding apprehen&s;ive of the de&s;irablene&s;&s;e of the Chur|ches peace, and of the plea&s;antne&s;&s;e of Brethrens &V;nity:</HI> Therefore our Brethren the Independents mu&s;t not be tolerated.</P>
<P N="2">2 Page 1 <HI>By rea&s;on of different lights and different &s;ights among brethren, there may be di&s;&s;enting in opinion:</HI> therefore there ought not to be a toleration of any opinion differing from us.</P>
<P N="3">3 Page <GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="1 letter">ad. <HI>The Churches Coat may be of divers colours, yet why &s;hould there be any rent in it?</HI> By Non-toleration it is <HI>de facto</HI> rent a&s;under: <HI>Therefore there mu&s;t be no toleration.</HI></P>
<P N="4">4 Pag. ead. <HI>Have we not a Touch&s;tone of Truth, the good Word of God?</HI> The Independents de&s;ire no other; holding it to be the only one, and will not admit an A&s;&s;embly of Divines into the place thereof: <HI>therfore the Independents are not to be tolerated.</HI></P>
<P N="5">5 Page 2 <HI>The Independents will not unbo&s;ome them&s;elves to us their mo&s;t affectionate Brethren.</HI> Now we being their mo&s;t affecti|onate Brethren, cannot permit any Toleration of them in &s;uch things, as we reckon the di&s;putes ingendred about them to be but frivolous and vaine janglings, <HI>as Rea&s;on</HI> 5, <HI>under the fir&s;t branch of the fourth Head.</HI></P>
<P N="6">6 Page 6 <HI>None &s;hould have more rejoyced then our &s;elves in the e&s;tabli&s;hment of a brotherly, peaceable and Chri&s;tian Accommodation,</HI> which can be attaind by no other means then a Toleration: for our worldly intere&s;ts and prudentiall principles will not &s;uffer us to go to them, and their Con&s;ciences will not &s;uffer them to come to us; therfore we cannot judge it rea&s;onable they &s;hould be tolerated; nay, <HI>we dete&s;t and abhorre the much endeavoured Toleration.</HI></P>
<P N="7">7 Pag ead, <HI>Our bowels, our bowels are &s;tirred within us,</HI> there|fore they mu&s;t not be tolerated that have kept the &s;word out of our bowels, and pre&s;erved our liberty of profe&s;&s;ing the doctrine of Sal|vation. <HI>O our bowels, our bowels,</HI> all does us no good what&s;oever we do enjoy or have in hope, <HI>&s;o long as</HI> Mordecay <HI>&s;its in the Kings Gate</HI></P>
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