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<HEAD><HI>AN ADVERTISEMENT,</HI> Shewing that all former <HI>Objections</HI> AGAINST THE MILLD-LEAD Sheathing Have been An&s;wered by the <HI>NAVY-BOARD</HI> them&s;elves. <HI>And what's lately Objected, is An&s;wered, herein, as follows.</HI></HEAD>
<P>ALthough the Objections again&s;t this Sheathing have been fully an&s;wered by the <HI>Mill'd-Lead</HI> Company's Reply, made to the late Navy-Boards Report (which was dated, <HI>Octob.</HI> 28. 1682.) to the then Lords of the Admiralty, printed in the Year 1691. and by the other Papers &s;ince publi&s;hed by Mr. <HI>Hale,</HI> the &s;ame might all have been well enough &s;pared, that Board having indeed &s;ufficiently an&s;wer'd them&s;elves by their own Contract with the &s;aid Company, dated <HI>March</HI> 3. 1675. and their &s;aid Report it &s;elf, if nothing but what they &s;ay therein had been taken notice of: For,</P>
<P><NOTE PLACE="marg">1&s;t.</NOTE> In the Preamble of their &s;aid Contract (after five years Trial upon ten Ships within that time &s;heathed) they owned to have entred into the &s;ame upon &s;ufficient Proof and Experience of the Goodne&s;s and U&s;efulne&s;s of the &s;aid Sheathing, having forborn to enter into a formal Contract till then, that they might make what Ob&s;ervations of any defects they could them&s;elves, or what its watchful Adver&s;aries &s;hould di&s;cover to them, a time long enough to have di&s;cerned its mon&s;trous eating of the Ruddar-Irons (&s;o much complain'd of afterwards) if there had been any &s;uch thing.</P>
<P><NOTE PLACE="marg">2dly.</NOTE> By their &s;aid Report, in 1682. made after twelve years Experience upon twenty Ships that had been &s;heathed within that time (having nothing to object again&s;t its keeping on, duration, and certain &s;ecurity from the Worm, or any thing el&s;e) they complained only of this Sheathings extraordinary eating and corroding the <HI>Bolts</HI> and <HI>Ruddar-Irons,</HI> and that but of eight of tho&s;e twenty, &s;aying no|thing of the re&s;t; and, by their Complaints, tho&s;e eight differed exceedingly among&s;t them&s;elves; &s;ome la&s;ting above twice as long as others, and &s;ome of the <HI>Irons</HI> of the &s;ame <HI>Ruddar,</HI> complain'd of, to be very much eaten, whil&s;t others were &s;aid to remain good and &s;erviceable; which different Effects not being po&s;&s;ible, in the Nature of Things, to proceed from one and the &s;ame Cau&s;e, [<HI>Lead-Sheathing</HI>] they &s;hould have found out another, or have been willing to have hearkened to tho&s;e that did, who charged this different duration upon the Smith's better or wor&s;e mixing, welding, and working his Iron with Fire and Hammer, and proved it by an ocular Evidence upon view of the <HI>Henrietta</HI>'s Iron|work, produced at their own Board, as in <HI>Pag.</HI> 14. of their &s;aid Reply, that alone, and only that, be|ing able to an&s;wer the great variety of decay that now is, and ever was upon all Ships &s;heathed, or not &s;heathed, before <HI>Lead-&s;heathing</HI> was ever thought of; which could not be, but the decays mu&s;t be always conformable to their Cau&s;es, if the &s;heathing either way, or not &s;heathing at all, were any wi&s;e concerned therein; And thus from their own Act, and the very Complaints annexed to the &s;aid Report, they may find all their Objections fully an&s;wered: So hard a thing it is for Men not to contradict them|&s;elves, when once they go about to contradict the Truth.</P>
<P>But &s;ince the&s;e Rea&s;ons (being now generally taken notice of) expo&s;e tho&s;e Objections to Contempt, another is advanced, which at fir&s;t, &s;eeming &s;omewhat plau&s;ible, ought to be an&s;wered as well as the re&s;t; <HI>viz.</HI></P>
<Q>That there having been &s;o many Per&s;ons (&s;ome of Wealth and good Quality) all along concerned in this Work, till now of late, it could not be, that this Sheathing &s;hould be &s;o laid a&s;ide all this while, but that it mu&s;t in &s;ixteen or &s;eventeen years time have been re&s;tored again to the &V;&s;e of the Na|vy, if there had been any Truth in what <HI>Hale</HI> &s;ays, and &s;o much real Worth and Excellency in the thing it &s;elf, as he pretends.</Q>
<P>This In&s;inuation being natural enough, and likely to prevail with &s;ome, not to trouble them&s;elves to read, or mind what <HI>Hale</HI> has printed upon this occa&s;ion, he finds him&s;elf obliged to give &s;ome An|&s;wer to it, and hopes he may be excu&s;ed, if in his own Defence he mentions &s;ome Per&s;ons and Cir|cum&s;tances, that did occurr in this Affair, which he hath hitherto omitted, that the World may judge who, and what &s;ort of Men they are beholden to, for this delay, and depriving the Publick of the benefit of &s;o u&s;eful an Invention all this while, or whether it be in truth owing to its own Deficiency, and want of Merit in it &s;elf; which he proceeds to do by the&s;e following &s;teps; <HI>viz.</HI></P>
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<P N="1">1. While the Complaints about the <HI>Ruddar-Irons</HI> lay before that Navy-Board, the Parties concerned attended them, and thought they had then given them &s;ufficient Rea&s;ons from the different duration always ob&s;erved in the Iron-work, that the <HI>Lead-&s;heathing</HI> could be no wi&s;e concerned therein; or if they were not pre&s;ently &s;atisfied, they believed at lea&s;t (the King having commanded them by the Admiralties Order of <HI>Dec.</HI> 20.1673. printed in <HI>Pag. 6.</HI> of the &s;aid Reply, po&s;itively to &s;heath no otherwi&s;e than with <HI>Mill'd-Lead,</HI> without their Lord&s;hip's expre&s;s Order; and they having by &s;everal Orders in <HI>April</HI> and <HI>May</HI> 1678, as in <HI>Pag.</HI> 10. <HI>&amp;</HI> 44. made for their better Enquiry into this Matter, and directed them to demand <HI>Ruddar-Irons</HI> from the <HI>Mill'd-Lead</HI> Company, for &s;uch Ships they &s;hould af|terwards &s;heath, upon their Propo&s;al to undertake the making of them) that they would not leave off this Sheathing totally without Order, tho' they had had no Demands from the Board for a long time, when they had heard &s;everal Ships had been &s;heathed with Wood, for which, Age, Weakne&s;s, or &s;ome rea&s;on or other was pretended, but never that they had wholly laid it a&s;ide: So that the Company re|mained in continual Expectation of Demands at one time or other, till they were &s;urprized with the &s;aid Report, by which means they were abu&s;ed and deluded out of above four years of their time, all which is &s;et forth in their Reply, <HI>Pag.</HI> 10. 24, 25.</P>
<P N="2">2. The <HI>Mill'd-Lead</HI> Company having put in their Reply to the &s;aid Report, and the Lords of the Admiralty having order'd the Commi&s;&s;ioners of the Navy to attend, read the &s;ame to them, telling them, they mu&s;t in &s;ome convenient time put in their An&s;wer in Writing, to which they excu&s;ing them&s;elves, &s;ay|ing, they had not lei&s;ure nor skill to write &s;uch fine Di&s;cour&s;es, but were well a&s;&s;ured there was Cau&s;e enough for the Complaints they had exhibited. My Lord <HI>Nottingham</HI> told them, the thing importing &s;uch great Preten&s;ions to His Maje&s;ty's Service, it was too hot for their Fingers, they would lay it before the Council Board, let them get what time they could, or do as they plea&s;ed there; which his Lord&s;hip, being one of the Members of that Board, as well as of the Admiralty, accordingly did; and the Council upon hearing both &s;ides, <HI>Dec.</HI> 22. 1682. (the Particulars being many) referred the &s;ame back again to the Admiralty to examine and report, as in <HI>Pag.</HI> 51. Whereupon the Company made their farther Addre&s;s to that Board, printed, <HI>Pag.</HI> 54. but were kept in hand by delays, and one pretence or other, not being able to obtain any Report according to the Reference, before their Com|mi&s;&s;ion was determined, which was in <HI>May</HI> 1684. &s;o that here there was above a year and an half's time more lo&s;t.</P>
<P N="3">3. Afterwards King <HI>Charles</HI> took the Office of Lord High Admiral into his own hands, managed by the Duke of <HI>York,</HI> and Mr. <HI>Pepys</HI> his Secretary, of which the <HI>Mill'd-Lead</HI> Company had great hopes to find the good effects, he having always approved their Sheathing, and him&s;elf having penned their Reply abovementioned, and Mr. <HI>Hewer</HI> his Chief Clerk being, as he knew, one of their Partners, re|commended by King <HI>Charles</HI> under his Sign Manual, to avoid Envy, with particular Directions to take care that their Work &s;hould be duly promoted in the Navy; but the &s;ame Navy-Board being continued in Commi&s;&s;ion the remainder of King <HI>Charles</HI>'s and beginning of King <HI>James</HI>'s, Reign, they pretended not to have Power enough, but doubted not in convenient time to &s;ee the <HI>Lead-&s;heathing</HI> re&s;tored, which the Company might be &s;ure they would take all opportunity to promote, &s;o that almo&s;t two years more was &s;pent in the&s;e Expectations.</P>
<P N="4">4. But now that the oeconomy and method of the whole Affairs of the Navy, and even the Navy-Board it &s;elf were new modelled and managed, according to Mr. <HI>Pepys</HI> his Propo&s;al to King <HI>James,</HI> upon a Commi&s;&s;ion, dated <HI>April</HI> 17. 16<GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="1 letter">6. (as appears by his Memoirs printed in the year 1690.) when him&s;elf was in effect Lord High Admiral, and Sir <HI>Anthony Deane</HI> a profe&s;&s;ed Friend to the <HI>Lead-&s;heathing</HI> from the beginning, and Mr. <HI>Hewer,</HI> and others, who Mr. <HI>Pepys</HI> approved, were made Commi&s;&s;ioners of the Navy: Upon this Project of Reformation and good Husbandry to the Crown, one &s;hould have thought that this <HI>Lead-&s;heathing</HI> had not been far from its Re&s;tauration; but whatever occult or corroding Quality there may lye conceal'd in the <HI>Mill'd-Lead</HI> Sheathing, in re&s;pect of the <HI>Ruddar-Irons,</HI> there &s;eems to be &s;omething extraordinary in the very E&s;&s;ence and Con&s;titution of a Commi&s;&s;ioner or Officer of the Navy, in re&s;pect of that; for after this new Commi&s;&s;ion, the Company thought them&s;elves &s;ure of a &s;peedy di&s;patch, and therefore made little Application for &s;ome time, depending upon their Partner Mr. <HI>Hewer</HI> (and his known, and their &s;eeming Friends, e&s;pecially it now becoming their Duty, as they knew it to be a great Service to the King) for encouragement to apply them&s;elves formally to their Board, but were kept in hand, by one pretence or other &s;till, for nine months more; when Mr. <HI>Hewer,</HI> being able to excu&s;e the delay no longer, advi&s;ed his Partners to make a new Propo&s;al to their Board, to &s;heath at a rate certain <HI>per</HI> yard &s;quare, and to wave the old Contract, and all Di&s;cour&s;e about the Complaints, &s;aying, he believed tho&s;e that had been concerned therein were now better &s;atisfied they had been mi&s;led, and would take it well to hear no more thereof; &s;o the Company laid before them their Propo&s;al, dated <HI>Dec.</HI> 20. 1686. printed <HI>Pag.</HI> 60. But even after this they were (upon the like pretences of un&s;ea&s;onablene&s;s from pre&s;|&s;ing Bu&s;ine&s;s, or want of compliance in &s;ome of their Members, which they hoped to &s;atisfie, though there was but one of tho&s;e that had &s;ub&s;cribed the Report remaining at their Board) delayed about four months more: At length, finding Mr. <HI>Hewer</HI> did nothing, Dr. <HI>Davenant,</HI> one of the Partners, being related to my Lord <HI>Falkland,</HI> prevailed with his Lord&s;hip to move the Board, that their new Propo&s;al might be referred to &s;ome of their own Members, to con&s;ider and Report their Opinions, which could not ea&s;ily be deny'd; and &s;o it was referred to Sir <HI>Annhony Deane,</HI> and Sir <HI>Phineas Pett,</HI> Commi&s;&s;io|ner at <HI>Chatham,</HI> Sir <HI>Anthony</HI> being there, when Mr. <HI>Hale</HI> writ to them from the Company, to put them in mind of making their Report before they parted, not doubting but it would be a fair one, Sir <HI>Phineas</HI> having al&s;o certified formerly in favour of the <HI>Lead-&s;heathing,</HI> and refu&s;ing to &s;ign the &s;aid Report again&s;t it, with the re&s;t of that Board.</P>
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<P N="5">5. <HI>Hale</HI> waiting upon Sir <HI>Anthony</HI> at his Return, which was about a fortnight after, asked him if they had made their Report? <HI>What Report,</HI> &s;ays, he, (&s;eeming &s;trange!) <HI>Why, yours,</HI> &s;ays <HI>Hale, and Sir</HI> Phineas Pett's, <HI>upon the Boards Reference to you of our Propo&s;al: That,</HI> &s;ays he, <HI>I have reported forty and forty times, That I am &s;atisfied your Sheathings an excellent thing, and be&s;t for the King's Service, but you mu&s;t &s;peak to</HI> Narbrough <HI>and</HI> Berry, <HI>you know that I am always ready to promote it. They mind not</HI> (&s;ays <HI>Hale) what we &s;ay; you mu&s;t &s;atisfie them with the Rea&s;ons you are &s;atisfied your &s;elves, or the Board mu&s;t proceed without them; but if you don't report your Opinions in Writing, how can the Board go on with their Reference to contract with us? Why,</HI> &s;ays he, <HI>you would not have us report it is cheaper? Yes,</HI> &s;ays <HI>Hale, but I would, it</HI> 150 per Cent. <HI>be cheaper; which you know Mr.</HI> Pepys, <NOTE PLACE="marg">Pag. 57.</NOTE> <HI>Mr.</HI> Hewer, <HI>and your Self found by Calculation, with re&s;pect to its duration, from the Navy-Books, I being pre&s;ent. Ay, duration,</HI> &s;ays, he, (&s;heering off) <HI>you mu&s;t &s;peak <GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="1 word"> them, you may be &s;ure I'll do what I can.</HI> Thereupon <HI>Hale</HI> having writ to Sir <HI>Phineas Pett,</HI> received his An&s;wer, That Sir <HI>Anthony Deane</HI> had the Papers from the Navy-Board in his keeping, &s;aying, <HI>You mu&s;t get Mr.</HI> Hewer <HI>to &s;peak to him to di&s;patch it; for my part, I am ready to &s;ign a Report at any time.</HI> Mr. <HI>Hewer</HI> was told this; and Sir <HI>Anthony</HI> &s;aid, he would acquaint the Board with what they had to &s;ay, as well as if 'twere in Writing, all pretending fairly, blaming others, but &s;till with promi&s;ing hopes, whil&s;t tho&s;e concerned began now to di&s;cern how they had been deluded for about two years more, which will appear farther confirmed in the next Paragraph.</P>
<P N="6">6. The Company now thought it advi&s;eable to apply them&s;elves to &s;ome Per&s;on of Quality at Court for their a&s;&s;i&s;tance, in hopes of fairer Quarter, as they found at the beginning, while my Lord <HI>Carli&s;le</HI> was their Partner, which my Lord <HI>Marlbrough</HI> having accepted of, they mentioned it to his Lord&s;hip to pre&s;ent a Petition to the King, that whereas they had &s;uch a Propo&s;al that had lain &s;o long before the Navy-Board, His Maje&s;ty would be plea&s;ed to order them to admit thereof, or to give their Rea&s;ons in Writing why they did not, which his Lord&s;hip approved, and accordingly &s;uch a Petition was pre|pared, and by him put into the hands of Mr. <HI>Pepys</HI> to be delivered, not doubting Succe&s;s if He &s;hould but appear &s;incere at la&s;t, who had taken &s;uch pains throughly to inform him&s;elf therein, and had &s;o often declared his approbation thereof, upon full Conviction (to u&s;e his own Words) that it was a great Service to the King, and promi&s;ed the Company at his fir&s;t Return to his Office to promote the U&s;e of it, whenever it came in his way to do't; and &s;ure that could not be que&s;tion'd now.</P>
<P N="7">7. But even he al&s;o appeared plainly to have another Intere&s;t now to preferr, pretending difficulty to re&s;tore, it having been &s;o long laid a&s;ide, and the Commanders &s;o much prejudiced again&s;t it, fearing the lo&s;s of their <HI>Ruddars,</HI> and con&s;equently the King's Ships and Subjects. He propo&s;ed al&s;o a new Trial upon two Ships, to be &s;heathed one with <HI>Wood,</HI> the other with <HI>Lead,</HI> and new <HI>Ruddar-Irons</HI> put on together, to &s;ee which proved be&s;t, which had been formerly mentioned. To all which he received An&s;wers: To the fir&s;t, That 'twas not their fault, but their lo&s;s, as well as the King's that it had been di&s;continued &s;o long, as he well knew. Secondly, That it was not likely a Captain would refu&s;e his Commi&s;&s;ion, or be un|willing to go in a <HI>Lead-&s;heathed</HI> Ship (which he had &s;hewn would &s;ail better) if once that Sheathing had pa&s;&s;ed Approbation above. Thirdly, That it was not rea&s;onable now after &s;eventeen or eighteen years Trials already, to wait three or four years more for the Succe&s;s of another; which, as he had formerly ob&s;erved him&s;elf (the <HI>Ruddar-Irons</HI> being liable to &s;o much Uncertainty) could not deter|mine the truth of the thing with any certainty at la&s;t; though when it was fir&s;t propo&s;ed, the Com|pany was willing enough to make Trial thereof, the cour&s;e of their Trade being not intended to &s;top till the Trial made: he replied that if tho&s;e Fears prevailed with the Captains, 'twas no matter how &s;elf-convinced &s;oever we were that there was no cau&s;e for't; but he would take &s;ome opportunity to pre&s;ent the Petition, for which he &s;hould have time enough, before there could be occa&s;ion for any &s;heathing, but never did, nor did they expect (with any advantage to them after the&s;e Eva&s;ions) he ever would: So that the other Parties concerned &s;eeing their whole Intere&s;t, which they had &s;o long depended on, and which was now in power, turned again&s;t them, they in &s;ome time afterwards par|ted with their Concerns to Mr. <HI>Hale</HI> (who had the greate&s;t &s;hare therein, and having exhau&s;ted his Fortune by it, mo&s;t of all depended thereon) upon Terms agreed between them.</P>
<P>From thenceforwards <HI>Hale</HI> being only concerned, he applies him&s;elf to the World in Print, by Publications of the great U&s;e, Excellency, and preference of the <HI>Mill'd-Lead,</HI> as well for covering of Hou&s;es, <HI>&amp;c.</HI> as &s;heathing of Ships, the Plumbers and their Friends having al&s;o decried it, as the Ship|wrights and theirs do. And, in the year 1691. in a &s;mall Book, among&s;t other things, he printed the &s;aid Reply to the Navy-Board's Report, and the Proceedings that had been thereon before the then Lords of the Admiralty and Council-Board, as the &s;ame were in Fact, for the &s;atisfaction and encou|ragement of Merchants, and others, as they &s;hould judge thereof.</P>
<P>Among&s;t many that had read the Book, and approved of the <HI>Lead-&s;heathing,</HI> &s;ome eminent Mer|chants having within the&s;e two years &s;heathed &s;everal Ships with it, and <HI>Hale</HI> hearing there were about half a &s;core Ships ordered to be &s;heathed for la&s;t Summer's Service, addre&s;&s;ed him&s;elf to the pre&s;ent Navy-Board, that they would be plea&s;ed to &s;heath one or two of the&s;e Ships (at lea&s;t) with <HI>Mill'd-Lead,</HI> that they might within their own Time, and under their own Order and Ob&s;ervations, make &s;ome Trial thereof them&s;elves, and encourage the farther u&s;e of it, as they found it de&s;erved, and not to de|pend altogether upon the old Complaints and Objections, which &s;ome think have been fully enough an&s;wered. Their An&s;wer was, that the thing had been long agoe contra&s;ted at that Board by their Predece&s;&s;ors, who they believed, being Men of Judgment and Under&s;tanding in their Bu&s;ine&s;s, had fully examined and con&s;idered the Matter, and laid a&s;ide the u&s;e thereof, upon very good grounds, which they had rea&s;on to be &s;atisfied in, and not to que&s;tion their Proceedings.</P>
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<P>By this time it may appear, who have been the Cau&s;e that the <HI>Mill'd-Lead Sheathing</HI> was thru&s;t out, and its U&s;e been di&s;continued in the Navy all this while, and what Hard&s;hip and evil Treatment this unfortunate Invention hath met with ever &s;ince it came into the World, not only by its Enemies, but its mo&s;t intimate &s;eeming Friends, for all the manife&s;t Benefits and Advantages it brought, and propo&s;ed to the Publick, by pre&s;erving the Hulls of our Ships from their mortal Enemy the Worm, without hindrance to Sailing, at a Rate above <HI>Cent. per Cent.</HI> cheaper than the <HI>Wood-&s;heathing,</HI> as has been proved, and that by imploying and exhau&s;ting the Product and Manufacture of our own Country, in&s;tead of the foreign hitherto u&s;ed therein: And it were harder yet, if the&s;e its pa&s;t Sufferings &s;hould by In&s;inuation be charged upon it as a Crime, to condemn it to a perpetual Bani&s;hment hereafter, as this ill-natured Objection drives as.</P>
<P><HI>The &s;aid Book may be had a the&s;e Book-&s;ellers Shops;</HI> viz. <HI>Mr.</HI> Hen&s;man's <HI>in</HI> We&s;tmin&s;ter-Hall, <HI>the</HI> Harrow <HI>and</HI> Crown <HI>by St.</HI> Dun&s;tans <HI>Church in</HI> Fleet-&s;treet, <HI>the</HI> Golden Harp <HI>in St.</HI> Paul's-Church-yard, <HI>and at the</HI> Leg <HI>and</HI> Star, <HI>near the</HI> Royal Exchange, Cornhill: <HI>And the</HI> Mill'd-Lead <HI>it &s;elf of any thi<GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="1 letter">ne&s;s, from one pound in a Foot &s;quare to twenty or more, if required, of the u&s;ual breadth of three Foot and an half, and above twice as long as any Plumber pretends to ca&s;t, if de&s;ired; for all &V;&s;es of Churches, Hou&s;es,</HI> &amp;c. <HI>better, and at lea&s;t</HI> 20 per Cent. <HI>cheaper than</HI> Ca&s;t-Lead <HI>can be, as well as for &s;heathing Ships, above</HI> Cent. <HI>per</HI> Cent. <HI>and for all other purpo&s;es where</HI> Sheet-Lead <HI>may be u&s;ed, and many that</HI> Ca&s;t-Lead <HI>cannot be apply'd to, as is fully proved in the &s;aid Book, and the &s;aid printed Papers, which Papers, as well as this, may be had</HI> gratis <HI>at the Book-&s;ellers, afore&s;aid: Or,</HI></P>
<P><HI>At the</HI> Milld-Lead <HI>Sign in</HI> <GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="1 letter">urange-&s;treet, <HI>by</HI> Red-Lyon-Square, <HI>where Mr.</HI> Charles Hale <HI>lives, who undertakes the &s;aid Sheathing, or any other Work about Churches, Hou&s;es,</HI> &amp;c. <HI>having able Plumbers, and &s;ufficient Workmen to perform the &s;ame; and &s;ells his Solder for</HI> 6 d. <HI>a-pound, which the Plumbers have by Combin<GAP DESC="illegible" EXTENT="1 letter">tion hitherto kept up at</HI> 9 d.</P>
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