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<P>DAVIDS Enemies di&s;covered.</P>
<P>Who of him make SONGS, but without the Spirit and without un|der&s;tanding, as the Drunkard did which he declares of in <HI>P&s;al.</HI> 69. 12.</P>
<P>OR, A TRUE DISCOVERY of that Cu&s;tome and Forme which the PRIESTS of this Generation would make an Ordinance of, to blind the eyes of the &s;imple, as this <HI>prie&s;t Clapham:</HI> in his 6 Arguments, which is here an&s;wered, by us who &s;uffer for the Truth, who&s;e names according to the fle&s;h are <HI>Chri&s;topher Atkin&s;on. George Whitehead.</HI></P>
<P>Al&s;o a brief REPLY unto <HI>Frederick Woodall</HI>'s <HI>three Principles and Re&s;olves;</HI> and with Replies to his An&s;wers, to &s;everall Queries propounded to him, that to the &s;imple the truth may be cleared, from one who for the Captivated &s;eeds &s;ake &s;uffers now in outward bonds in <HI>Norwitch</HI> Ca&s;tle, who&s;e name in the fle&s;h is <HI>Richard Hubberthorne.</HI></P>
<P><HI>LONDON:</HI> Printed for <HI>Giles Calvert</HI> at the Black &s;pread-<GAP DESC="illegible" REASON="faint" EXTENT="1 span"> We&s;t end of <HI>Pauls.</HI> 1655.</P>
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<P>A Paper being brought into our hands which was given forth by one of the <HI>Prie&s;ts</HI> who&s;e name is <HI>Jonathan Clap|ham,</HI> who to uphold his deceit and Imaginations, and carnall ob&s;ervatirns, In imitation from that which the true wor|&s;hippers which wor&s;hipped in &s;pirit and truth without for me or letter witne&s;&s;ed, and &s;poke forth when redemption they did &s;ee, and &s;o were they hid, from &s;uch as would make a Cu&s;tome and a trade upon what they &s;poke forth, who lived the life of what they &s;ung and &s;poke, (in the &s;pirit,) who lived not in Cu&s;tome nor in Imitation of others, neither did they boa&s;t them&s;elves in another mans Line made ready to their hands, but as they received the &s;pirit &s;o walked they in the &s;pirit, and with it they &s;ang, and by it they &s;poke, and<NOTE PLACE="marg">2 Cor. 10. 13, 14, 15, 16. 2 Tim. 3. <GAP DESC="illegible" REASON="blotted" EXTENT="1 letter">. Jude 19.</NOTE> by the &s;pirit they knew what time it did &s;ignifie, and &s;uch as was &s;en&s;uall who had not the &s;pirit but the forme, they denied and witne&s;&s;ed again&s;t them, and &s;uch now with the &s;ame &s;pirit do we witne&s;s again&s;t, and to clear the truth and lay open the deceit of this generation of Prie&s;ts, who make a Cu&s;tome and a trade of Scriptures, who take peoples money for that which is no bread, but for di&s;hone&s;t gain de&s;troyes &s;ouls, and keeps poor people in blindne&s;s and darkne&s;s, by their Inventions and vain Imaginations, that under their Dark Ministry poor people are ever learning, never able to come to the knowledge of the truth, and for their &s;akes who by the&s;e blind guides are led in blindne&s;s, Are we moved to an&s;wer &s;omething to this Priest <HI>Clapham</HI>'s Arguments, as he calles them, that they that never &s;aw, might &s;ee his nakedne&s;s uncovered, by which Arguments he is going a|bout to maintain, &s;inging of <HI>David</HI>'s conditions a Cu&s;tome, which are An&s;wered as followeth, <HI>&amp;c.</HI></P>
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<P>_SInging of P&s;almes was once an Ordinance of God<NOTE PLACE="marg">Priest. Argument 1.</NOTE> in the Church and a part of divine wor&s;hip, and (1) was never repealed under the Go&s;pell, (2) nor was of a Tipicall nature and u&s;e as was the ce|remonies, and to cea&s;e with them, (3) but ever rec|koned among morrall and perpetuall duties, as prayer, and learning the word, &s;ee <HI>P&s;al.</HI> 59. 1, 2, 6, 7. (4) &s;uch a duty as
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the very light in all men taught them to practice, witne&s;s the cu&s;tome of all nations, See <HI>Godwin, Rom. Antiqu.</HI> and read <HI>Homer</HI>'s <HI>himnes, Horaces odes,</HI> &amp;c. which &s;heweth it to be of an univer&s;all and perpetuall obligation, therefore it continues an ordinance of God &s;till, as well as prayer and learning the word, and &s;hould not be aboli&s;hed under the Go&s;pel.</P>
<P>They who witne&s;&s;e the Go&s;pell are come, to the mini&s;tra|tion<NOTE PLACE="marg">An&s;wer.</NOTE> of the &s;pirit which is the end of all &s;hadowes, which &s;ha|dowed forth the life, who came to witne&s;s the Church in God, 1 <HI>The&s;.</HI> 1&punc; and of this church the &s;aints were ordained members, and this church was not a temple made with hands, where once &s;inging was, which was to cea&s;e with its wor&s;hip, and the &s;ongs of that temple was to be turned into Howling, <HI>Amos</HI> 8. 3. but they who are members of the church which is in God they &s;ing with one &s;pirit, being thereunto called by the Lord, which was not morall but &s;pirituall, and they did not bring old Authors to prove their Actions by, as thou doe&s;t, but in that they wor&s;hipped which was before Authours was, and before <HI>Oxford</HI> and <HI>Cambridge</HI> was, which thou and thy gene|ration have your Mini&s;try f<GAP DESC="illegible" REASON="missing" EXTENT="1 letter">om, and their word and Go&s;pell was not the letter, which thou and thy generation makes a trade upon, and by the &s;ame &s;pirit they &s;ang by which the Go&s;pell was preached, and there was no divi&s;ion, and they made not a Cu&s;tome of other mens conditions, as to get them into rime and meeter and give them forth unto a company of blind people as thou and thy generation do, and their &s;inging was with the &s;pirit, and with under&s;tanding, which we owne, but thee we do deny and all thy generation, wo give people <HI>Davids</HI> conditions to &s;ing in a meeter, where <HI>David</HI> did mourn and where he was afflicted ye &s;ing, and where he qua|ked&punc; and trembled, and prayed, and prophe&s;ied, the&s;e ye &s;ing, &amp; tell God you do &s;o, and here you make a cu&s;tome like a &s;tage play upon <HI>Davids</HI> conditions, and &s;coffs and &s;cornes at them now who witne&s;&s;e Quaking and trembling, and this we deny for this is both without the &s;pirit and without under&s;tanding.</P>
<P>The prophe&s;ies in Scripture that foretell the &s;tate of the<NOTE PLACE="marg">Prie&s;t. Arg. 2.</NOTE> Church in the new Te&s;tament, do &s;peak of P&s;almes to be u&s;ed, there as a part of Gods wor&s;hip <HI>P&s;al. 98. 1, 2. P&s;al. 100. 1, 2. P&s;al.</HI> 100. 1, 2, 3. where mention is made of the Gentiles, when converted, &s;ingng P&s;almes to God, <HI>Rom.</HI> 15. 9. &s;ee <HI>I&s;a.</HI> 26. 1. and 35. 10. <HI>Rev.</HI> 14. 5. and 15. 3.</P>
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The prophe&s;ies in &s;cripture that foretell the &s;tate of the<NOTE PLACE="marg">An&s;wer.</NOTE> church, do not prophe&s;ie as p&s;almes to be u&s;ed as a part of Gods wor&s;hip, nor &s;uch a word there is &s;poken in them&punc; for the prophe&s;ies were fulfilled when the end came, and the church was the life, of that which the prophets prophe&s;ied of, which was without &s;pot or wrinckle, and the &s;ongs of this church are everla&s;ting, and they who are come thither can &s;ing a new &s;ong, for the &s;alvation, which they are witne&s;&s;es of, <HI>P&s;al.</HI> 98. 1, 2. and they can &s;ing the &s;ong of redemption, and the &s;ong of <HI>Mo&s;es,</HI> and of the Lamb, which no man can learn, but they that are redeemed from the earth, and they that have the new name, <HI>Rev.</HI> 14. 3, 4. and this &s;ong can neither thou &s;ing, who art in the earth, and in thy earthly nature, and mini&s;ters for the earth and to the earth, in <HI>Balaams</HI> way, for gifts and re|wards, nor them to whom thou gives <HI>Davids</HI> conditions, who are not brought to &s;ee the day of bitterne&s;s and lamentation which the &s;aints did witne&s;s before they came to &s;ee &s;alvation and redemption, for which they pray&s;ed God, which &s;alvati|on and te&s;tament, to the end that generation is hid, who live in the wild, prophane, and heady nature, without the fear of God, who are in the time of wantonne&s;s and laughter, which wo is unto, <HI>Luke</HI> 6. 25. and not brought to the time of mourn|ing, and therefore farre from the day of &s;alvation and the &s;aints joy, and there your &s;inging is carnal and for condemnation and out of the true wor&s;hip.</P>
<P>It hath been a duty practi&s;ed not onely in the times of the<NOTE PLACE="marg">Prie&s;t. Arg. 3.</NOTE> law but by the people of God under the Go&s;pell, under the law we have the &s;ongs of <HI>Mo&s;es, Deborah,</HI> and <HI>Barack,</HI> of <HI>David</HI> the &s;weet &s;inger of I&s;rael, of <HI>Solomon,</HI> who compo&s;ed to the number of 1005 &s;ongs, of <HI>A&s;aph,</HI> and <HI>Heman,</HI> and <HI>Habakuk,</HI> &amp;c. Under the Go&s;pell we read of the &s;ongs of many, <HI>Simon, Zachary:</HI> of Chri&s;t and his Apo&s;tles &s;inging an Himne, after the Lords &s;upper, <HI>Mat.</HI> 26. 30. according as was the cu&s;tome among the Jews, who u&s;ed to &s;ing &s;ome of <HI>Davids</HI> P&s;alms the night wherein the pa&s;sover was eaten, as tho&s;e who are skilld in their Cu&s;tomes write: we read of <HI>Paul</HI> and <HI>Silas</HI> Acts 16. &s;inging in pri&s;on, al&s;o of the practice of the church of Corinth, 1 <HI>Cor.</HI> 14. &s;inging P&s;alms, and in primitive, before Antichri&s;tian Appo&s;tacy, which was commonly practi&s;ed, as <HI>Phil. Tert. Ju&s;t. Martin. Chry&s;o&s;t.</HI> te&s;tifie: yea the very Heathens took notice of this practice and did write of it, <HI>Pliny</HI> in his letter to <HI>Trojan</HI> the
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Emperour writes of the Chri&s;tian Himnes, <HI>Antelucanos,</HI> morn|ing p&s;alms, &amp; &s;ongs early in the morning, will I prai&s;e thee, &amp;c.</P>
<P>Neither <HI>Mo&s;es</HI> nor <HI>Habbakuk</HI> who was &s;ervants of God, nor any of the people of God, did ever call &s;inging a cu&s;tome<NOTE PLACE="marg">An&s;wer.</NOTE> or practice, neither did they ever give a company of &s;illy blind people other mens conditions, in time and meeter to &s;ing, but though <HI>Mo&s;es</HI> &s;ang, yet he knew the work of the Lord in his deliverance out of <HI>Egypt,</HI> for which he pray&s;ed God, but the work of the Lord is not known to thee, and thy generation, who draw people from the Light of Chri&s;t within, and calls it naturall, which doth enlighten every one that comes into the world, and this is that which brings to witne&s;s their conditions who &s;poke forth Scripture; and this is it which brings to wit|ne&s;s<NOTE PLACE="marg">John 1. 9. Acts 4. 12. 1 Cor. 2. 14. and chap. 1. <GAP DESC="illegible" REASON="faint" EXTENT="2 letters">. I&s;a. 42. 6. Ephe&s;. 2. 1.</NOTE> &s;alvation and redemption wherein the &s;aints rejoyce, and thou that calls this naturall, doe&s;t not know the work of the Lord, nor his redemption, and there thy &s;inging is without un|der&s;tanding, and thou knowes for not what thou &s;ings, nor they that &s;pook the &s;criptures did never compell a company of poor people who are dead in tre&s;pa&s;&s;es and &s;ins to ob&s;erve duties or outward ob&s;ervations, as thou doe&s;t, but &s;aith Chri&s;t, my kingdome comes not by ob&s;ervations, but my kingdome is within, <HI>Luke</HI> 17. 21. neither did ever any of the holy men of God go and hire with a people at &s;uch a place and toke &s;uch a &s;um of money of them, for preaching, neither did they go to a<NOTE PLACE="marg">1 Cor. 4. 20. Heb. 11. 36. to the end.</NOTE> company of blind people, and give them <HI>Davids</HI> conditions to &s;ing in meeter as thou and thy generation do, who &s;ay, Let us &s;ing to the prai&s;e and glory of God, O Lord I am not pufft in mind, I have no &s;cornfull eye, when thy are pufft in mind and &s;corns them that are brought to witne&s;s <HI>Davids</HI> and <HI>Hab|bakuks</HI> condition, as quaking and trembling, <HI>Hab. 3. 16. P&s;al. 2. 11. Jer.</HI> 5. 22. and in &s;corn calls them Quakers; and they that &s;ang after the Lords &s;uppers, did not call a little bread and wine the Lords &s;upper or a Sacrament as thou doe&s;t, which thou ha&s;t no &s;cripture for, and the Lords &s;upper thou art not come to, who act &s;uch things, nor the bread of life did&s;t thou ever ta&s;t of, but<NOTE PLACE="marg">Col. 2 14, 16, 20, 21, 22. P&s;<GAP DESC="illegible" REASON="missing" EXTENT="1 letter">l. 119. 175.</NOTE> thy &s;inging and prayers and pray&s;es is in the death; and them thou bids &s;ing to the pray&s;e and glory of God, who are dead in tre&s;pa&s;&s;es and &s;ins, when the dead cannot pray&s;e God, but the living, neither can they that go down into the pit pray&s;e him, for prai&s;es are not comely in the mouth of the wicked, and there thou art. and <HI>Egypt</HI> is thy figure, a Land of darkne&s;&s;e where<NOTE PLACE="marg">I&s;a. 38. 19.</NOTE>
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<HI>Pharaoh</HI> rules, and <HI>Mo&s;es</HI> thou art not come to, and how can thou &s;ing <HI>Mo&s;es</HI> &s;ong who art yet in <HI>Egypt?</HI> but death rules in thee, which hath pa&s;&s;ed over all men, from <HI>Adam</HI> untill <HI>Mo|&s;es:</HI> and to maintain thy &s;inging thou brings dead men as <HI>Pliny,</HI> and other heathens like thy &s;elf, who knowes not God nor his wor&s;hip, but would re&s;t and pervert the &s;criptures to maintain thee in thy Cu&s;toms and outward ob&s;ervations, which thou ha&s;t no &s;cripture for, and makes a cu&s;tome and trade of other mens conditions which thou ha&s;t nothing to do with, as to cau&s;e people to &s;ing lyes, as when <HI>David</HI> roared they &s;ing, and where he trembled they &s;ing, and where he &s;aith, he water|ed his couch with tears they &s;ing, and &s;ay they do &s;o, and there thou art a leader that cau&s;es people to erre.</P>
<P>If this &s;uffice not, know there is expre&s;&s;e &s;cripture command<NOTE PLACE="marg">Prie&s;t. Arg. 4.</NOTE> as well as examples and prophe&s;ies, for this duty of &s;inging of P&s;alms, and that not only in the old, but al&s;o in the new Te&s;ta|ment, <HI>Ephe&s;.</HI> 5. 18, 19. where the Apo&s;tle alluding to the Cu|&s;tome that drunkards have when they are filled with wine, they have their &s;ongs, &s;o when Chri&s;tians are filled with the wine of the &s;pirit they &s;hould have their P&s;almes Himnes and &s;pirituall &s;ongs: the <HI>Hebrews</HI> had 3 words whereby they divi|ded <HI>Davids</HI> P&s;alms, <HI>&s;hurim, tehillim, mi&s;morem,</HI> to which three words here u&s;ed by the Apo&s;tle, P&s;almes, himnes, and &s;pirituall &s;ongs, as we &s;ee <HI>Col.</HI> 3. 16. admoni&s;hing one another in P&s;alms, and &s;o <HI>James</HI> 5. 13. If any be afflicted, let him pray, if any be merry let him &s;ing P&s;almes; its &s;poken generally, if any, or who|&s;oever is merry let him &s;ing, not that it is unlawfull to &s;ing at other times, for then it might be inferred its not lawfull to pray, but when one is &s;ad, mirth is the mo&s;t prayer &s;ea&s;on, in other places we read of &s;inging when &s;ad, as <HI>David</HI> often, and Chri&s;t a little before his &s;uffering, when his heart was &s;orrowfull, and and <HI>Silas</HI> in pri&s;on <HI>Paul:</HI> Thus you have expre&s;s command for this duty.</P>
<P>The Apo&s;tle, nor any of the holy men of God did ever com|mand the world, as thou doe&s;t, to &s;ing P&s;almes, neither did he<NOTE PLACE="marg">An&s;wer.</NOTE> ever give the world an example to make rimes of other mens conditions, and &s;ing them in meeter, and though the Apo&s;tle &s;aith to the <HI>Ephe&s;ians,</HI> &s;peaking to your &s;elves in P&s;almes and Himnes and &s;pirituall &s;ongs, &s;inging and making mellody in your hearts to the Lord, and &s;uch like to the <HI>Colo&s;&s;ians,</HI> yet this was not to the world, but to the &s;aints and faithfull Brethren,
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<HI>Coll.</HI> 1. 2. neither did the Apo&s;tle bid the &s;aints &s;ing other mens prayers, and cryes, and complaints, and lamentations, as thou and thy generation do, who bid people &s;ing to the pray&s;e and glory of God, where <HI>David</HI> &s;aid, thine arrows &s;tick fa&s;t in me, neither is there any re&s;t in my bones, my wounds &s;tink and are corrupt, I am troubled, I am bowed down greatly, I go mourning all the day long, <HI>P&s;al.</HI> 38. and this you have got|ten into a rime and meeter, and bids people &s;ing: and there you make a &s;port of <HI>Davids</HI> conditions, and makes people &s;ay they are &s;o, in which conditions <HI>David</HI> never &s;ang, but as he found deliverance from under the wrath of God, and when ever did thou or any of thy generation witne&s;s the&s;e condi|tions which <HI>David</HI> pa&s;&s;ed through, before the &s;eed was brought forth: here thou Prie&s;t <HI>Clapham</HI> ha&s;t &s;hut thy &s;elf both out of the Scriptures, and them that &s;poke them forth. And whereas thou &s;ai&s;t, that the Apo&s;tle alluding to the cu&s;tome of drunk|ards; here again we charge thee Prie&s;t (<HI>Clapham</HI>) to be a lyar, ond a wre&s;ter of Scriptures, for the Apo&s;tle never &s;poke &s;uch a wo<GAP DESC="illegible" REASON="missing" EXTENT="1 letter">d, as alluding to the Cu&s;tome of drunkards; here this thy Compari&s;on is unequall, to compare the &s;aints &s;inging to the Cu&s;tome of Drunkards, neither did ever the Saints cal<GAP DESC="illegible" REASON="missing" EXTENT="1 letter"> &s;inging a Cu&s;tome, or make a cu&s;tome of it, as thou art going about to maintain, and whereas thou art going about to devide the P&s;almes, as thou calls them, by the&s;e three Hebrew words, into P&s;almes, Himnes, and &s;pirituall &s;ongs, Here, thou art ig|norant both of P&s;almes, Himnes, and &s;pirituall Songs, who art going about to divide P&s;almes by thy confu&s;ion oftongues, and here thou art in <HI>Babell</HI> which God confounded into many languages, and there is thy mini&s;try in thy confu&s;ion and Lan|guages, which a natural man may learn, and there thy &s;inging is in the Cu&s;tome without the &s;pirit. But they that knew&punc; how to &s;ing with under&s;tanding, did &s;ing with that which was before <HI>Babell</HI> was, and before thy confu&s;ion was, and before <HI>Stern|hold,</HI> and <HI>Hopkins</HI> rimes, which they made of <HI>David,</HI> which thou practi&s;es; and they that would &s;ing a new &s;ong, was re|deemed out of kindreds tongues and people, <HI>Rev.</HI> 5. 9. and this redemnption thou that live&s;t in thy tongues and naturall lan|guages, art not come to; and the new Song and Himnes thou art ignorant of; and whereas thou &s;aye&s;t that which <HI>James</HI> &s;poke was generally, there thou art a lyar and a wre&s;ter of &s;cripture, for the Scriptu<GAP DESC="illegible" REASON="missing" EXTENT="1 letter">e &s;aith, is any among you affl<GAP DESC="illegible" REASON="missing" EXTENT="1 letter">cted, let
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him pray, is any among you merry, let him &s;ing; but this was to the 12 Tribes, <HI>James</HI> 1. which he calls his Brethren, and that was among them, and not among thy generation, who live in Formes and Cu&s;tomes, who are &s;trangers to the life of God: and again, thou art going to make the Apo&s;tle <HI>James</HI> a Lyar like thy &s;elf, who &s;aye&s;t, that mirth is the mo&s;t prayer &s;ea&s;on, when as that Scripture &s;aith, is any among you merry, let him &s;ing; is any afflicted, let him pray; which is quite contrary to thy words. As for <HI>Paul</HI> and <HI>Silas</HI> &s;inging in pri&s;on, their &s;ufferings and im|pri&s;onments thou never yet was made partaker of, nor their joy thou never knew wherein it was, who art going about to main|tain thy cu&s;tomes in the world, which thou ha&s;t no &s;cripture for, but with it art di&s;approved, and with the the light thou art &s;een, to be a &s;tranger both to the Saints joy and that wherein they rejoyced.</P>
<P>There are &s;everall rules given in the New Te&s;tament, di|recting<NOTE PLACE="marg">Prie&s;t. Arg. 5.</NOTE> how to &s;ing aright, as 1 <HI>Cor.</HI> 14. with the &s;pirit and with under&s;tanding, with grace in our hearts <HI>Col.</HI> 3. which directions were needle&s;s if it were no Go&s;pell duty.</P>
<P>They that are brought to &s;ing with the Spirit and under|&s;tanding,<NOTE PLACE="marg">An&s;wer.</NOTE> they witne&s;s that life which &s;poke forth Scripture, and need not go and get other mens conditions made like ballades or &s;ongs, and &s;ing them, or cau&s;e any in a cu&s;tome to &s;ing them, as thou do&s;t in a &s;teeple-hou&s;e, and the&s;e do not call the letter the rule, and the 4 books <HI>Mathew, Mark, Luke,</HI> and <HI>John</HI> the New Te&s;tament, and Go&s;pell as thou and thy generation do, for <HI>Paul</HI> &s;aid he was a mini&s;ter of the Go&s;pel, and of the New Te&s;tament, and not of the letter, which thou calls the Go&s;pell and New Te&s;tament, 2 <HI>Cor.</HI> 3. 6. and there both out of the Go&s;pell and new Te&s;tament thou art &s;hut, and thy Mini&s;tery is in the Letter which killeth, and thy Inventions and rea&s;ons and con&s;equencies adds to it, and that thou makes a trade upon, and for it thou takes peoples money, and there with the light we read thee in the Scriptures, to be among them the true prophets Chri&s;t and his Apo&s;tles cryed wo again&s;t, &s;uch as &s;eek for their gain from their quarter, <HI>I&s;a.</HI> 56. and &s;uch as are hirelings, <HI>Micah</HI> 3. and &s;uch as are called of men Ma&s;ters, &s;tands praying in the &s;ynagogues, having the chiefe&s;t places in the a&s;&s;emblies, and the uppermo&s;t rooms at fea&s;ts, and the greetings in Markets, which Chri&s;t cryed wo again&s;t, <HI>Mat.</HI> 23. and &s;uch as go in the way of <HI>Cain</HI> to envy, and
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after the errour of <HI>Balaam,</HI> for gifts and rewards which <HI>Peter</HI> and <HI>Jude</HI> cryed wo again&s;t, 2 <HI>Pet. 2. Jude</HI> 11. and there thou art, and thee, thy Mini&s;try, and thy &s;inging we utterly deny, who art both &s;hut out of the Scripture among the greedy doggs, and that life which &s;poke them forth, and thou &s;een to be among them, the Scripture witne&s;&s;es again&s;t.<NOTE PLACE="marg">Priest. Argument 6.</NOTE></P>
<P>And whereas in thy 6th. Argument thou &s;aye&s;t, that Chri&s;ti|ans may reap much profit or benefit by the right u&s;ing of this ordinance, theres an efficacy in it, to lift up the heart more and elevate it in Gods prai&s;es, and holy delight it brings to the &s;oul therein, and art telling of mutuall edification and provoca|tion to rejoyce in God, as drunkards by their &s;ongs &s;tirre up carnall and &s;infull mirth, &s;o the&s;e help &s;pirituall joy.</P>
<P>They that are Chri&s;tians do &s;ee thy blindne&s;s and igno|rance<NOTE PLACE="marg"><HI>An&s;wer to the</HI> 6^t^h. <HI>and la&s;t Argu|ment.</HI></NOTE> both of &s;criptures and that which &s;poke it forth, and Chri&s;tians have not their joy to fetch out of other mens condi|tions, neither do they go to without, and yet <HI>Davids</HI> prayers, pray&s;es, prophe&s;ies, cryings, tears, wa&s;tings, afflictions; in meeter to &s;ing, to bring delight unto their &s;oul, as thou art go|ing about to maintain, there thou blind guide thou do&s;t not know what it is that rejoyces in God, nor what it is that pray|&s;es him, for to thee it is hid, who makes a trade and Cu&s;tome of a dead Forme, and cau&s;es the dead to &s;ing which cannot pray&s;e God, and there in the mutuall and changeable &s;tate thou art in thy carnall inventions with <HI>Tubal-Cain</HI> the In|ventor, and outward ob&s;ervations, and edification thou art not come to, who to uphold thy carnall &s;inging and rejoycing doe&s;t bring a Compari&s;on of the &s;ongs of drunkards, which the &s;aints never did, here thee, thy &s;inging; thy Joy and thy Mi|ni&s;try are &s;hut out among the drunkards, and &s;eed of evill doers and there is the fruits of thy Mini&s;try, and of that &s;ort are they that uphold thee, and &s;peaks well of thee, as they did<NOTE PLACE="marg">Luke 6. 26. 1 John 4, 5.</NOTE> thy fathers the fal&s;e prophets, and among the fal&s;e prophets and deceivers thou art with the Light &s;een and Judged, and the &s;ame wo which was to them is to thee now, who art found in their &s;tepps. Here (Prie&s;t <HI>Clapham</HI>) thy Arguments are an|&s;wered, and the re&s;t of thy rotten &s;tuff which is not worth men|tioning, with them comprehended, and &s;een with the light to be all acted, in thy filthy rea&s;on and Inventions, which are &s;tuffed up with &s;o many lies and wre&s;ting Scriptures as thou art here di&s;proved in. So let &s;hame cover thy face, and deceive
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people no longer with thy dreames and lying divinations, and cu&s;tomes, and outward ob&s;ervations which thou ha&s;t no &s;crip|ture for, which here is plainly laid open to them who are not altogether blind, therefore make no more Merchandi&s;e of peole through thy covetou&s;ne&s;&s;e, nor take peoples mony any more to maintain thee in thy deceits and filthine&s;s, but make re&s;titution to them whom thou ha&s;t deceived, and led in blind|ne&s;s, and give them their money again, which di&s;hone&s;tly thou ha&s;t taken upon them, of whom thou ha&s;t made Merchandize: for the &s;word of the Lord is drawn again&s;t thee, and that gene|ration thou art in, and wo and mi&s;ery is the end of your &s;ongs, and your joy, and your profe&s;&s;ion of God and Chri&s;t, who are found acting tho&s;e things, he and all the holy men of God witne&s;&s;ed again&s;t: The day of your trouble and torment and mi&s;ery is coming upon you, Wo, wo to you pa&s;tors that de|&s;troy and &s;catter the &s;heep of my pa&s;ture, &s;aith the Lord: wo to you hippocrites and di&s;&s;emblers who are acting in their<NOTE PLACE="marg">See <HI>I&s;a. 56. 10, 11. Jer. 5. 31. Micah. 3. 11. Matth.</HI> 23.</NOTE> &s;tepps, the prophets, Chri&s;t and his appo&s;tles witne&s;&s;ed again&s;t, and are filling up the mea&s;ure of your fathers Iniquities; ye fal&s;e prophets, and &s;cribes, and phari&s;ees, therefore &s;top your mouthes in the du&s;t, and never &s;ay you are Mini&s;ters of Chri&s;t, and his Emba&s;&s;adours, for your bottome and foundation is &s;een<NOTE PLACE="marg">Jude 11.</NOTE> and tryed, and your Cu&s;tomes, traditions, and practi&s;es are with the light condemned, and humane is all your wor&s;hip there, who draw near unto God with your mouthes and lipps, and your hearts farre from him, every ones heart after his own<NOTE PLACE="marg">I&s;a. 29. 13.</NOTE> gain and filthy lucre, who teach for doctrines the traditions of men, and there you keep poor people in blindne&s;&s;e, and makes a prey upon them, and tell them of outward ordinances, and du|ties,<NOTE PLACE="marg">Col. 2. 14, 16, 20, 21, 22.</NOTE> and cu&s;tomes, as this Prie&s;t <HI>Clapham,</HI> wherein he is di&s;ap|proved in his Arguments, and his folly made manife&s;t, and &s;o &s;hall all yours who are of his generation, who live in pride and covetou&s;ne&s;s, and act tho&s;e things ye have no &s;cripture for, who<NOTE PLACE="marg">2 Tim. 3. 2<GAP DESC="illegible" REASON="blotted" EXTENT="1 letter"> 7, 9.</NOTE> lead captive &s;illy women laden with &s;ins and iniquities, led a|way with divers lu&s;ts, everlearning, never able to come to the knowledge of the truth; but you &s;hall proceed no further, for your folly &s;hall be made manife&s;t to all men.</P>
<CLOSER><SIGNED>From us who are &s;ufferers for the te&s;timony of Je&s;us, who&s;e names according to the fle&s;h is
<HI>Chri&s;topher Atkin&s;on. George Whitehead.</HI></SIGNED></CLOSER>
</DIV2>
</DIV1>
<DIV1 TYPE="treatise">
<PB REF="7">
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<DIV2 TYPE="preface">
<P>Something in an&s;wer to the <HI>High Prie&s;t</HI>'s Paper, wherein he layes down <HI>3 Principles, and &s;everall Re&s;olves,</HI> as he calls them, wherein he goes about to re&s;olve people that the light of Chri&s;t in the con&s;cience, and that which doth enlighten every one that comes into the world, which light is Chri&s;t, is natural; and &s;o to re&s;olve them, that <HI>Johns</HI> te&s;timony of Chri&s;t is not true, as it is written in <HI>John 1. 9.</HI> and doth deny Chri&s;ts words to be true, who &s;aith, he is the Light of the world, <HI>John 8. 12. John 3. 19, 20, 21.</HI> and in <HI>John 12. 46.</HI> But in the light of Chri&s;t he is &s;een and comprehended, yea the depth of his &s;ubtlety, and confu&s;ion, is here unfolded, and his Paper an&s;wered from the light of Chri&s;t, which he calls naturall; but by it he is proved to be naturall, and not to di&s;cern the things of God, though he pronfe&s;&s;e him&s;elf to be a Mini&s;ter: but here his works are brought to the light, and he by it is proved to be no Mini&s;ter of Ghri&s;t, but a ha|ter of the light, as <HI>John 3. 19, 20, 21.</HI></P>
</DIV2>
<DIV2 N="1" TYPE="principle">
<HEAD>The <HI>Prie&s;ts</HI> 1 Principle.</HEAD>
<P>_THere are two <HI>Adams</HI> from whom all men are, out of who&s;e Loynes all men do come: the 1 <HI>Adam</HI> is a Fountain of all Naturall good; the 2 of that which is Spirituall; and thou brings Scripture to prove it, 1 <HI>Cor. 15. 2, 22. Ephe&s;. 5. 30. Gen. 2. 33. 1 Cor.</HI> 15. 45, 46.</P>
</DIV2>
<DIV2 TYPE="answer">
<HEAD>An&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>Art thou a teacher in <HI>England,</HI> and is this the principles of thy doctrine, to teach people that all men come out of the Loynes of the 2 <HI>Adams,</HI> without di&s;tinction, and that the fir&s;t <HI>Adam</HI> is the fountain of all naturall good? here in the pre|&s;ence of the Living God I declare thee and thy principle to be fal&s;e, for the fir&s;t man is of the earth earthly; the &s;econd is the Lord from heaven, from whom is the fountain of all good: out of the loyns of the fir&s;t thou proceeds, but not from the &s;econd; and thy principle proceeds from thy ear<GAP DESC="illegible" REASON="missing" EXTENT="1 letter">hly wi&s;dome, which
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is in the fall, and cur&s;ed; and here again thou may read thy principle with &s;hame and confu&s;ion of face, and repent before the Lord cut thee off, as a deceiver, who teaches for doctrine thy one conditions.</P>
</DIV2>
<DIV2 N="2" TYPE="principle">
<HEAD>The <HI>Prie&s;ts</HI> 2 Principall.</HEAD>
<P>In thy &s;econd Principall thou &s;peaks of two &s;eeds, and that the fir&s;t <HI>Adam</HI> was not the loo&s;er of mankind but his &s;eed; and the 2 <HI>Adam</HI> was not the re&s;torer of mankind, as &s;o, but as his &s;eed.</P>
</DIV2>
<DIV2 TYPE="answer">
<HEAD>An&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>I an&s;wer, here thou art twining like the &s;erpent, to blind the eyes of people with thy lyes, and doth cro&s;s the Scripture, which thou thy &s;elfe brings in the former principle, 1 <HI>Cor.</HI> 15. 22. which &s;aith, as in <HI>Adam</HI> all dy, &s;o in Chri&s;t &s;hall all be made alive; and here thou denies Chri&s;t to be the re&s;torer of mankind, and here thou art dark and blind, and preaches and writes again&s;t the end for which Chri&s;t came into the world; but re&s;tauration by Chri&s;t we do witne&s;&s;e and life from the dead, and the &s;eed of the promi&s;e we witne&s;s, brought out of captivity by Chri&s;t, and all who come to witne&s;s the &s;ame &s;hall deny thee who denies Chri&s;t to be the re&s;torer of man|kinde.</P>
</DIV2>
<DIV2 N="3" TYPE="principle">
<HEAD>The <HI>Prie&s;ts</HI> 3 Principall.</HEAD>
<P>In thy third Principall thou &s;aye&s;t, the grace of life none is partaker of but the &s;eed.</P>
</DIV2>
<DIV2 TYPE="answer">
<HEAD>An&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>Here thou cro&s;&s;e&s;t the Scriptures, which &s;aith, the grace of God which brings &s;alvation hath appeared unto all men, and &s;ome turn his grace into wantonne&s;s, and walke de&s;pitefully again&s;t the &s;pirit of grace, <HI>Titus</HI> 2 12. and that is not the &s;eed which turns it into wantonne&s;s, and walkes deceitfully again&s;t it, for that is the &s;eed which by grace is taught to deny all un|godline&s;s and worldly lu&s;ts, but it hath appeared to tho&s;e who abu&s;e it, as thou do&s;t who put forth the&s;e principles, and here thy principles is found lies, as thy Re&s;olves are, which fol|low thy Principles:</P>
</DIV2>
<DIV2 TYPE="statement">
<HEAD>The <HI>Prie&s;ts</HI> Re&s;olves.</HEAD>
<P>Now to re&s;olve people that the light of Chri&s;t in the con&s;ci|ence
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is a naturall light, thou &s;aye&s;t, that the writing upon the heart of Gentiles is not new Covenant written, but old; &s;o not of grace and Life but nature.</P>
</DIV2>
<DIV2 TYPE="answer">
<HEAD>An&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>I an&s;wer, here thou re&s;olves them fal&s;ely, for the workes of the Law being written in their hearts, this is not naturall, which doth bear witne&s;s in the con&s;cience, and either accu&s;e or excu&s;e, but is one in the covenant, &s;poken of in <HI>Jer.</HI> 31. 33. Heb. 8. 2. and here thou puts in Light for darkne&s;&s;e, and dark|ne&s;s for light.</P>
</DIV2>
<DIV2 TYPE="statement">
<HEAD>Prie&s;t.</HEAD>
<P>Again thou &s;peaks of two Images, the Image of God, and Image of Chri&s;t, and &s;aith &s;omething of the Image of God remains after the fall, and brings <HI>Cer.</HI> 6. 9. to witne&s;s it, when as there is no &s;uch thing &s;poken of there, and thou &s;aye&s;t no|thing of the Image of Chri&s;t, is found before calling.</P>
</DIV2>
<DIV2 TYPE="answer">
<HEAD>An&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>Here thou would make God and Chri&s;t two images, and &s;o utters forth one lye after another, and denies the Scripture, which &s;aith he, is the expre&s;s Image of the Father, and thou &s;aye&s;t the fir&s;t Image is naturall, the &s;econd is &s;pirituall, and here let all behold thy bla&s;phemy who would make the Image of God naturall, and the Image of Chri&s;t &s;pirituall, and calls them two Images: &s;top thy mouth, and be a&s;hamed for ever, for being a Teacher, who &s;eeks to re&s;olve people of &s;uch things as to deny God and Chri&s;t, and make them two Images, the one naturall, and the other &s;pirituall, and &s;aith, &s;omething of the image of God is found in man after the fall&punc; but nothing of the Image of Chri&s;t&punc; O blinde guide, that ever <HI>England</HI> &s;hould be deceived by &s;uch, but the Lord is now making you mani|fe&s;t, and in the light thou art comprehended, and thy &s;ubtlety is &s;een&punc; and thou art now met withall, who hath long blinded the eyes of poor people with thy fained words and &s;ubtle pre|tences, but here thou art di&s;covered to be an enemy to that which in word thou profe&s;&s;es, and &s;o thy words will cover thee no longer, for the life hath found thee out&punc; and by it thy &s;pirit is tryed to be the &s;pirit of errour, and voice to be the voice a &s;tranger.</P>
</DIV2>
<DIV2 TYPE="statement">
<HEAD>Prie&s;t.</HEAD>
<P>Again thou &s;peaks of a naturall light, and &s;ayes, naturall Light puffs up, and quotes 1 <HI>Cor.</HI> 8. 1<GAP DESC="illegible" REASON="faint" EXTENT="1 letter">2.</P>
</DIV2>
<DIV2 TYPE="answer">
<PB N="14" REF="9">
<HEAD>An&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>Here out of thy own mouth thou art proved to be a perver|ter of the &s;criptures, for that &s;cripture &s;aith, knowledge puffs up: but the Scripture &s;peaks of no naturall light.</P>
</DIV2>
<DIV2 TYPE="statement">
<HEAD>Prie&s;t.</HEAD>
<P>Again thou &s;ay&s;t, naturall light di&s;covers the ble&s;&s;ing of the fir&s;t Covenant.</P>
</DIV2>
<DIV2 TYPE="answer">
<HEAD>An&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>This is fal&s;e, for all the ble&s;&s;ings is to the &s;eed which is in the Covenant, and is the Covenant, but nature is out of the Covenant, and out of the ble&s;&s;ing of all thy re&s;olves, and light is contrary to nature, for light is &s;pirituall, but thou art natu|rall, who &s;aith, the light is naturall.</P>
</DIV2>
<DIV2 TYPE="statement">
<HEAD>Prie&s;t.</HEAD>
<P>Again thou &s;aye&s;t, naturall light may convince of evill.</P>
</DIV2>
<DIV2 TYPE="answer">
<HEAD>An&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>This is fal&s;e, and here thou art a Bla&s;phemer to call Chri&s;t naturall, for it is Chri&s;t that convinceth the world of &s;in, and the light which Chri&s;t Je&s;us hath enlighted every one, with all which convinceth them of evill, and thou that &s;aye&s;t this is naturall, did never yet owne that which doth convince of &s;in, the Light, which will condemn thee who hates it, and calls it naturall&punc;</P>
</DIV2>
<DIV2 TYPE="replies to answers">
<HEAD>A <HI>Reply</HI> to the <HI>Prie&s;ts</HI> An&s;wers, to the <HI>Queries</HI> propounded to him.</HEAD>
<DIV3 N="1" TYPE="query">
<HEAD>The 1 Querie.</HEAD>
<P>How is Chri&s;t the light of the world, and how doth he en|lighten every one that comes into the world, if it be not in the Con&s;cience? <HI>John</HI> 1. 9.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="answer">
<HEAD>Prie&s;ts An&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>Je&s;us Chri&s;t enlighteneth every man, with the light he hath, he is indeed the enlightening light, and not <HI>John:</HI> but it will not prove, becau&s;e Chri&s;t quickeneth, that therefore with the &s;ame life, or there is no naturall life for Chri&s;t: Saints light is the light of life, &s;inners, not &s;o, not their life.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="reply">
<HEAD>Reply.</HEAD>
<P>In the light of Chri&s;t thou art &s;een and comprehended, for thy dark words cannot hide thy confu&s;ion, who in thy an&s;wer &s;aith, Chri&s;t doth enlighten every man that comes into the world, and then would make the light of Chri&s;t which en|lightens
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the &s;inner, not to be the &s;ame light which is in the &s;aints, and here all who ownes light in any mea&s;ure, may &s;ee thy confu&s;ion, for the light of Chri&s;t is but one, and it is through the obedience to the light, in which they come to witne&s;s &s;anctification from &s;in, which now many do witne&s;s to the prai&s;e and glory of God, who is their teacher, what ha&s;t thou (<HI>Frederick Woodall</HI>) taught the people, all this while? who art a blind guide, for he that knowes not the light of Chri&s;t is blind, for darkne&s;s hath blinded his eyes.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 N="2" TYPE="query">
<HEAD>The 2 Querie.</HEAD>
<P>How doth the &s;pirit of Chri&s;t guide unto all truth, and &s;hew things to come, if it be not within the con&s;cience.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="answer">
<HEAD>Prie&s;ts An&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>This endeavours the removall of the Ancient Bonds, ma|king common the priviledges of the Saints, and brings that Scripture, <HI>Jer.</HI> 24. 7.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="reply">
<HEAD>Reply.</HEAD>
<P>This Scripture <HI>Jer.</HI> 24. 7. &s;hall &s;tand to bear witne&s;s again&s;t thy &s;elf where the Lord &s;aith, I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the Lord, and they &s;hall be my people, and I will be their God; and the promi&s;e of Chri&s;t wherein he hath promi&s;ed the &s;pirit to guide them into all truth, and to &s;hew them things to come, and this thou &s;aye&s;t endeavours the removing of the Ancient bonds; I an&s;wer, It is to remove all &s;uch doctrine and &s;uch teaching as thine, and the prie&s;ts of the world under which the &s;eed of God is kept in bondage, and under the chains of darkne&s;&s;e, and the&s;e thy bonds which thou laye&s;t upon the &s;eed is as Ancient as &s;ince the fall, and hath kept people ever learning and never brought them to the knowledge of God, and now when God hath promi&s;ed to give them an heart to know him without &s;uch teachers as thou art, and this is thy torment, but let this tormen thee for ever till thy mouth be &s;topped, for it is &s;o, we witne&s;&s;e it.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 N="3" TYPE="query">
<HEAD>The 3 Query.</HEAD>
<P>How doth the &s;pirit of Chri&s;t reprove the world of &s;in, of righ|teou&s;ne&s;s, and of judgement, if it be not in thy con&s;cience.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="answer">
<HEAD>Prie&s;ts An&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>It is not the &s;pirit in the world that reproves the world of &s;in, <HI>John</HI> 14. 17. but the &s;pirit in the &s;aints who are to Judge the world, 1 <HI>Corinth.</HI> 6. 2. the &s;pirit in the &s;aints by the light of truth.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="reply">
<PB N="16" REF="10">
<HEAD>Reply.</HEAD>
<P>This thy an&s;wer, and the&s;e Scriptures do witne&s;s again&s;t thy &s;elf, and here thou art made to confe&s;s the truth, out of thy own mouth thou may be judged, as all who hate the light are, and here by the &s;pirit of God in the &s;aints and the light of truth art thou judged, and here if thou wilt owne thy own words, owne thy Judgement, for the &s;aints do now judge the world, under which judgement thou art.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 N="4" TYPE="query">
<HEAD>The 4 Querie.</HEAD>
<P>How are the children of God taught of God, if it be not by the light of God in the con&s;cience?</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="answer">
<HEAD>Prie&s;ts An&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>This is ab&s;urd, as the &s;econd, this is the &s;trength, you &s;hall be all taught of God.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="reply">
<HEAD>Reply.</HEAD>
<P>It is thou that art dark, and blind, and ob&s;urd, who would keep the people from the teachings of God, calling that ab&s;urd, that thy own teaching might be continued, and people be kept &s;till in ignorance, and give thee money for &s;uch teaching, but the free teachings of God is now appearing, and thine mu&s;t be denied which is not free.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 N="5" TYPE="query">
<HEAD>The 5 Querie.</HEAD>
<P>How can that be &s;aid to be a naturall light which witne&s;&s;es unto God in that which is holy, and again&s;t the naturall In|clinations of fallen man, &s;eing the &s;cripture &s;aith, the naturall man receives not the things of the &s;pirit of God, 1 <HI>Cor.</HI> 2. 14.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="answer">
<HEAD>Prie&s;ts An&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>How can it be any other then a naturall light which wit|ne&s;&s;es unto God in that which is holly? and again&s;t the things of the &s;pirit of God, naturall things it can di&s;cern, not &s;pirituall, for as the man &s;o is the light.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="reply">
<HEAD>Reply.</HEAD>
<P>Where did thou ever read of a naturall light which did wit|ne&s;&s;e unto God in that which is holy, and that which did wit|ne&s;s unto God, where do&s;t thou prove that ever the &s;ame wit|ne&s;s which did witne&s;s God in holine&s;s did ever witne&s;s again&s;t the &s;pirit of God, read thy confe&s;ion, and let thy mouth be &s;topped, who &s;peakes of a naturall light, and of a naturall holine&s;s, which neither of them is mentioned in the &s;cripture, nor from any of the mini&s;ters of Chri&s;t, therefore from them all art thou &s;hut out, who art in a naturall darkne&s;s.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 N="6" TYPE="query">
<PB N="17" REF="10">
<HEAD>The 6 Querie.</HEAD>
<P>In this Query thou being required to prove how thou do&s;t di&s;tingui&s;h of a naturall light, which thou &s;o much &s;peaks of&punc; by their &s;everall operations.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="answer">
<HEAD>Prie&s;ts An&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>The diver&s;ity of operations are an&s;wered above.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="reply">
<HEAD>Reply.</HEAD>
<P>Here I witne&s;s again&s;t thee, for thou ha&s;t not proved in all that which is above written that there is two lights, naturall, and &s;pirituall, for the light is but one, in which thy confu&s;ion is &s;een and judged.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 N="7" TYPE="query">
<HEAD>The 7 Querie.</HEAD>
<P>How is Chri&s;t given a light to the Gentiles who had not the letter, and whether that was not the Light of Chri&s;t which &s;hewed the Gentiles the law of God written in their hearts, who had not the law without, and in which they did the things contained in the law, <HI>Rom.</HI> 2. 14, 15.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="answer">
<HEAD>Prie&s;ts An&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>Thou &s;ai&s;t this proves not Chri&s;t to enlighten the Gentiles.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="reply">
<HEAD>Reply.</HEAD>
<P>Thy an&s;wer is fal&s;e, for herein is proved that the obedience of the Gentiles to that which was written in their hearts, in an&s;wering the law of God, and his commands, was from that which is invi&s;ible, which is the light of Chri&s;t; for that which is naturall is vi&s;ible, and there thou art in the vi&s;ible, and in the naturall, where the things of God is not received but &s;tum|bled at.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 N="8" TYPE="query">
<HEAD>The 8 Querie.</HEAD>
<P>If it be a naturall light which checks and beares rule in the Con&s;cience, then is not Chri&s;t alone Judge in the Con&s;cience, but another ruler is &s;et up before Chri&s;t come, 1 <HI>John 5. 22. Ephe&s;.</HI> 2. 14.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="answer">
<HEAD>Prie&s;ts An&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>In thy an&s;wer thou queries whether the checks was in <HI>A|dam,</HI> from the light, before Chri&s;t was revealed, and then a|gain thou &s;aye&s;t in the next words following, that the checks of light from Chri&s;t the old <HI>Adam</HI> had.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="reply">
<HEAD>Reply.</HEAD>
<P>Here thou aske&s;t a que&s;tion, and gives the an&s;wer thy &s;elf, to thy own confu&s;ion, and again thou &s;aye&s;t, that the old <HI>A|dam</HI> had a con&s;cience before the new was promi&s;ed, and that
<PB N="18" REF="11">
his &s;eed hath &s;o: I an&s;wer, Chri&s;t which is the light, which checks for &s;in in the con&s;cience was before <HI>Adam</HI> was, or the &s;eed of <HI>Adam,</HI> which was <HI>Cain;</HI> of which generation thou and thy mini&s;try is, and the light which is from the &s;econd <HI>Adam</HI> is now appeared to make all &s;uch as thou art manife&s;t who are of the &s;eed of the fir&s;t <HI>Adam.</HI></P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 N="9" TYPE="query">
<HEAD>The 9 Que&s;tion.</HEAD>
<P>If that which excu&s;eth or accu&s;eth, and &s;o is Judge of the Con&s;cience, be a naturall light, then all Judgement is not gi|ven to the Son: but you &s;et up a Jugde in the Con&s;cience be|fore Chri&s;t.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="answer">
<HEAD>Prie&s;ts An&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>This Querie is but the eighth repeated, adding to the number, not to the weight.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="reply">
<HEAD>Reply.</HEAD>
<P>This light of Chri&s;t being to thee a &s;tumbling block, and thou being ignorant of its checks in the con&s;cience, art able to give no an&s;wer to it; but &s;uch as are &s;erviceable to lay open thy weakne&s;s and nakedne&s;s to all, who &s;hall read thy An|&s;wers, or the Replyes unto them.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 N="10" TYPE="query">
<HEAD>The 10 Querie.</HEAD>
<P>If that be a naturall light which excu&s;eth, and &s;o gives peace in the con&s;cience, then you &s;et up a peace before Chri&s;t come, and here you deny him to be the Prince of peace, <HI>Matthew</HI> 2&punc; 6.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="answer">
<HEAD>Prie&s;ts An&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>Its intollerable that Chri&s;t &s;hould be the Prince of peace.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="reply">
<HEAD>Reply.</HEAD>
<P>Here let all take notice that thou plainly denies Chri&s;t to be the Prince of peace, but it is well that thou ha&s;t uttered forth thy folly which hath &s;o long been hid, and here thou &s;peaks plainly thy own condition, for no peace hath ever Chri&s;t &s;poken unto thee, and therefore thou denie&s;t him to be the prince of peace, but him we do witne&s;s, to be &s;o, and thee to be among the wicked, whom my God faith there is no peace unto.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 N="11" TYPE="query">
<HEAD>The 11 Querie.</HEAD>
<P>If that be a naturall light which &s;hews the way towards God in the Con&s;cience, and reproves, the untoward wayes, then is not Chri&s;t the way to the Father, but you &s;et up another way before him, <HI>John</HI> 14&punc; 6.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="answer">
<PB N="19" REF="11">
<HEAD>Prie&s;ts An&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>The &s;ence of this Querie is hidden from me.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="reply">
<HEAD>Reply.</HEAD>
<P>Here in the Light thou art comprehended, and thy wi&s;dome &s;hout out, and thy &s;ences darkened, and thou art one of them whom God hath hid the&s;e things from, and now &s;tumbles, be|cau&s;e thou hates the light which doth di&s;cover the way unto God, which light is Chri&s;t, who is the way, but is hid from tho&s;e who&s;e eyes are blinded by the God of the world: if thou had&s;t confe&s;&s;ed this in the beginning of thy Paper, that the &s;en&s;e of all the&s;e things which here from the light is &s;poken is bidden from thee, and &s;o have beed &s;ilent, then thy confu&s;ion in thy Principles, and in thy Re&s;olves, and in thy An&s;wers had not been &s;o publickly made manife&s;t as they now are, from the light which hath comprehended thee: and hidden the &s;ence of the&s;e things from thee.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 N="12" TYPE="query">
<HEAD>The 12 Querie.</HEAD>
<P>If that by which men &s;hall be judged and condemned by any outward teaching from the Letter, or by man, then by what was the Gentiles condemned who had not the Letter, outward teaching, and yet was to peri&s;h, nor doing the things contained in the Law, <HI>Rom.</HI> 2. 13, 14.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="answer">
<HEAD>Prie&s;ts an&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>In this thy an&s;wer thou confe&s;&s;e&s;t the Gentiles &s;hall be judged by the Law written in their hearts without the written Law, and before in all which thou ha&s;t writ thon ha&s;t writ that this was a naturall light which Judges and condemns the di&s;obedient to the righteous law of God, and thou &s;aie&s;t thus &s;aith the Lord by my heart, Scrpture may try every voice.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="reply">
<HEAD>Reply.</HEAD>
<P>Thou art the fal&s;e prophet, which &s;aith, the Lord &s;aith, when as he hath never &s;poken this unto thy heart, but by the Spirit of the Lord in tho&s;e whom he hath &s;poken unto, is thy voice and thy &s;pirit tryed, and as thou &s;aye&s;t would make the Scrip|tures unnece&s;&s;ary, this is fal&s;e, for they are of u&s;e and nece&s;&s;a|ry to reprove thy deceit, and them we do witne&s;s, in the life of the &s;pirit which gave them forth.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 N="13" TYPE="query">
<HEAD>The 13 Querie.</HEAD>
<P>If there be &s;omething in the creature naturally which is light, then how is it that the Scripture concludes all to be children of darkne&s;s, who are in their naturall e&s;tate, and how
<PB N="20" REF="12">
is Chri&s;t &s;aid to be light to them that &s;it in darkne&s;&s;e?</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="answer">
<HEAD>Prie&s;ts An&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>Light and darkne&s;s, naturall light, full of the wi&s;dome of this world, but &s;pirituall darkne&s;&s;e.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="reply">
<HEAD>Reply.</HEAD>
<P>How dare&s;t thou profe&s;s thy &s;elf to be a Mini&s;ter of Chri&s;t, and calls the light of Chri&s;t naturall, and darkne&s;s &s;pirituall, and here let all read thee, to be he which puts darkne&s;s for Light, and Light for darkne&s;s&punc;</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 N="14" TYPE="query">
<HEAD>The 14 Querie.</HEAD>
<P>Whether there be any other thing that convinceth of unbe|lief, but that which convinceth of &s;in in the con&s;cience&punc; &s;eing Chri&s;t &s;aith, he &s;hall convince the world of &s;in, becau&s;e they believe not in him? <HI>John 16. 8, 9. Ephe&s;.</HI> 5. 13, 14.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="answer">
<HEAD>Prie&s;ts An&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>The 14^t^h. is the &s;ame with the 13^t^h. an&s;wered there.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="reply">
<HEAD>Reply.</HEAD>
<P>Here let all &s;ee whether the&s;e 2 Queries be one, and let them read thy an&s;wer to them both, which is &s;aying that the light in the con&s;cience is naturall and darkne&s;s &s;pirituall.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 N="15" TYPE="query">
<HEAD>The 15 Querie.</HEAD>
<P>Whether do you find any Scripture that &s;peaks of any Light that convinceth the con&s;cience, but the light of Chri&s;t with the Law of God written in the heart.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="answer">
<HEAD>Prie&s;ts An&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>I &s;ay, all are not convinced, nor will not, till Chri&s;t come, <HI>Jud&punc;</HI> 15.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="reply">
<HEAD>Reply.</HEAD>
<P>Here thou art the Antichri&s;t which denies Chri&s;t come in the fle&s;h, and would make people believe that <HI>Enocks</HI> Prophe&s;ie is not yet fulfilled, which <HI>Jude</HI> did witne&s;s to be fulfilled, as <HI>Jude</HI> 15. and did witne&s;s Chri&s;t Je&s;us to be come, who fulfil|led the Law and the Prophets; and <HI>John</HI> did witne&s;s that Chri&s;t was come to convince the world of &s;in, of righteou&s;ne&s;s, and judgement, and <HI>John</HI> in his <HI>Epistle</HI> did write, that he which did not confe&s;s Je&s;us Chri&s;t come in the fle&s;h was an Anti|chri&s;t, and we do witne&s;s the &s;ame, and there thou may read thy &s;elf, 1 <HI>John</HI> 4. 3.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 N="16" TYPE="query">
<HEAD>The 16 Querie.</HEAD>
<P>Whether it be not the Light of Chri&s;t which bears witne&s;s in thy con&s;cience again&s;t all evil, and if it be not the Light of
<PB N="21" REF="12">
Chri&s;t, then man is not wholly fallen, but there is &s;omething in man Good before Chri&s;t come.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="answer">
<HEAD>Prie&s;ts An&s;wer.</HEAD>
<P>I &s;ay double there was &s;omething good in man remaining after the fall.</P>
</DIV3>
<DIV3 TYPE="reply">
<HEAD>Reply.</HEAD>
<P>If &s;o, that &s;omething good in man after the fall; whether is that good naturall, or &s;pirituall, and whether is not that e&s;tate of man which is in the fall naturall, and &s;o prove this from the Scripture, what it is that was not lo&s;t in mans fall which need no Chri&s;t to &s;ave: for Chri&s;t came to &s;eek and to &s;ave that which was lo&s;t. And now to thee <HI>Frederick Woodall;</HI> Here thy confu&s;ed Paper is an&s;wered in plainne&s;s, and art not flattered, for I love not to give flattering Titles to any, neither can I have any mans per&s;on in admiration for advantage.</P>
<CLOSER><SIGNED>From a &s;ervant of the Lord, though counted a Deceiver by the gene|ration of <HI>Prie&s;ts,</HI> yet true; who&s;e Name according to the &s;he&s;h, is <HI>RICHARD HUBBERTHORNE,</HI> Pri&s;oner of the Lord in <HI>Norwich</HI> Ca&s;tle:</SIGNED>
<DATELINE><DATE><HI>The 20 day of the 12 Moneth.</HI></DATE></DATELINE></CLOSER>
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<TRAILER>THE END.</TRAILER>
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